Re: Quantum Immortality - the principle of the least improbability/influencing things
2008/12/30 kla...@bkpsecurity.com kla...@bkpsecurity.com: Lets assume, that Alice who believes in QI wants a certain probable event to happen, for instance win 1,000,000 in a casino. Alice then comes to a casino with a loaded gun and promises to herself, that she will kill herself if she does not win 1,000,000. You can even think about a suicidal lottery machine, which will automatically kill Alice if Alice does not win 1,000,000. Since Alice is immortal, there are two possivle outcomes 1). Alice wins 1,000,000 and the trigger is not pulled 2). Alice does not win 1,000,000, the trigger is pulled, the bullet goes through Alice's head without killing Alice Now although 1) is highly improbable 2) is much much more improbable. Due to the principle of the least improbability 1) is going to happen for a typical immortal - meaning that Alice wins 1,000,000 If you accept that, you should accept that QI provides a way for immortals to influence the world by doing attempted suicides. Essentially, anything becomes possible for an immortal. It's one thing to hope that QI saves you when it seems all options are gone but another thing to deliberately shoot yourself in the head: what if the theory is wrong? Some time ago I had the idea of using your method to win at gambling but not leave a (third person, at least) corpse. I would go into the casino with the lethal device in my pocket and formulate the intention in my mind that if I lost, I would kill myself. Now probably I wouldn't kill myself, even if I lost, but formulating the intention would at least mean that in a minority of worlds where I lost, I would kill myself. Therefore, I would be eliminating some of the losing worlds in the multiverse, and biasing my chances in favour of finding myself in a world; which over many (as close to fair as possible) games would give me a net expected game. But alas, it turns out when you do the calculations that my expected gain is about proportional to the probability that I would actually leave a corpse behind, which is what I wanted to avoid. -- Stathis Papaioannou --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Quantum Immortality - the principle of the least improbability/influencing things
If Quantum Immortality (QI) is true, then we can ask the question what is the TYPICAL history for an immortal. The typical history (or the typical time/space trajectory) would be the path most of the immortals take (and remember that in QI all of us are immortals) For each immortal history its weight in the space of all histories diminishes each time an improbable event takes place. Therefore, although in QI all of us are immortals, for a typical immortal the history will follow the principle of the least improbability. Things will be have in the least crazy way that will still allow the immortal to survive. Lets say an immortal decides to commit a suicide for a particular reason. It is then much more probable for some life event to occur that will persuade the immortal to abandon its attempt, then for the bullet to go through the immortal's head without actually killing the immortal. As an example, Alice decides to commit a suicide because her boyfriend Bob left her, Bob can change his mind, call Alice etc. so that the reason for the suicide is removed. Therefore, for a typical immortal there will be no bulllet going through the head, no disfigurement etc. Instead, an event will occur which will naturally remove the need for the suicide. In other words, immortals will not typically perceive themselves living in the world where strange things happen. Instead, the world will somehow make sure that immortals stay alive AND that things behave relatively reasonably. Let us assume that QI is true and that all of us are immortals. What is the least improbable thing that can allow us to stay alive forever? Life extension. With the modern progress of biology it is not completely improbable that a technology is discovered within say next 10 years that will reverse aging. In this scenario a typical immortal will not even tribute his immortality to QI. Instead, immortality will be a natural consequence of life extension. Now lets apply the principle of the least improbability to actually influence things. Lets assume, that Alice who believes in QI wants a certain probable event to happen, for instance win 1,000,000 in a casino. Alice then comes to a casino with a loaded gun and promises to herself, that she will kill herself if she does not win 1,000,000. You can even think about a suicidal lottery machine, which will automatically kill Alice if Alice does not win 1,000,000. Since Alice is immortal, there are two possivle outcomes 1). Alice wins 1,000,000 and the trigger is not pulled 2). Alice does not win 1,000,000, the trigger is pulled, the bullet goes through Alice's head without killing Alice Now although 1) is highly improbable 2) is much much more improbable. Due to the principle of the least improbability 1) is going to happen for a typical immortal - meaning that Alice wins 1,000,000 If you accept that, you should accept that QI provides a way for immortals to influence the world by doing attempted suicides. Essentially, anything becomes possible for an immortal. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Quantum Immortality - the principle of the least improbability/influencing things
kla...@bkpsecurity.com wrote: If Quantum Immortality (QI) is true, then we can ask the question what is the TYPICAL history for an immortal. The typical history (or the typical time/space trajectory) would be the path most of the immortals take (and remember that in QI all of us are immortals) For each immortal history its weight in the space of all histories diminishes each time an improbable event takes place. Therefore, although in QI all of us are immortals, for a typical immortal the history will follow the principle of the least improbability. Things will be have in the least crazy way that will still allow the immortal to survive. Lets say an immortal decides to commit a suicide for a particular reason. It is then much more probable for some life event to occur that will persuade the immortal to abandon its attempt, then for the bullet to go through the immortal's head without actually killing the immortal. As an example, Alice decides to commit a suicide because her boyfriend Bob left her, Bob can change his mind, call Alice etc. so that the reason for the suicide is removed. Therefore, for a typical immortal there will be no bulllet going through the head, no disfigurement etc. Instead, an event will occur which will naturally remove the need for the suicide. In other words, immortals will not typically perceive themselves living in the world where strange things happen. Instead, the world will somehow make sure that immortals stay alive AND that things behave relatively reasonably. Let us assume that QI is true and that all of us are immortals. What is the least improbable thing that can allow us to stay alive forever? Life extension. With the modern progress of biology it is not completely improbable that a technology is discovered within say next 10 years that will reverse aging. In this scenario a typical immortal will not even tribute his immortality to QI. Instead, immortality will be a natural consequence of life extension. Certainly no one before 1920 attributed his immortality to QM. So it must have just seemed luck to each of them that they live on forever while all their friends and family die. And for the Neanderthal immortals even all their specie dies. And what about the immortal homohabilis?...the immortal tyranosaouri? Now lets apply the principle of the least improbability to actually influence things. Lets assume, that Alice who believes in QI wants a certain probable event to happen, for instance win 1,000,000 in a casino. Alice then comes to a casino with a loaded gun and promises to herself, that she will kill herself if she does not win 1,000,000. You can even think about a suicidal lottery machine, which will automatically kill Alice if Alice does not win 1,000,000. Since Alice is immortal, there are two possivle outcomes 1). Alice wins 1,000,000 and the trigger is not pulled 2). Alice does not win 1,000,000, the trigger is pulled, the bullet goes through Alice's head without killing Alice Now although 1) is highly improbable 2) is much much more improbable. Due to the principle of the least improbability 1) is going to happen for a typical immortal - meaning that Alice wins 1,000,000 If you accept that, you should accept that QI provides a way for immortals to influence the world by doing attempted suicides. Essentially, anything becomes possible for an immortal. Let us know how that works out for you. :-) Brent --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Quantum Immortality - the principle of the least improbability/influencing things
Why shouldn't a more natural process prevent Alice from doing this experiment with the lottery? Something far more probable than winning the million which does not let this quantum trick happen? This would be similar to the reasoning you applied to the quantum suicide. It could be much more probable to implant a natural doubt in quantum immortality in Alice's brain which causes her not to carry out the lottery trick. I definitely have this doubt. In this way one could conclude that doubts in quantum immortality would be a consequence of quantum immortality. -Original Message- From: everything-l...@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-l...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kla...@bkpsecurity.com Sent: Montag, 29. Dezember 2008 19:51 To: Everything List Subject: Quantum Immortality - the principle of the least improbability/influencing things If Quantum Immortality (QI) is true, then we can ask the question what is the TYPICAL history for an immortal. The typical history (or the typical time/space trajectory) would be the path most of the immortals take (and remember that in QI all of us are immortals) For each immortal history its weight in the space of all histories diminishes each time an improbable event takes place. Therefore, although in QI all of us are immortals, for a typical immortal the history will follow the principle of the least improbability. Things will be have in the least crazy way that will still allow the immortal to survive. Lets say an immortal decides to commit a suicide for a particular reason. It is then much more probable for some life event to occur that will persuade the immortal to abandon its attempt, then for the bullet to go through the immortal's head without actually killing the immortal. As an example, Alice decides to commit a suicide because her boyfriend Bob left her, Bob can change his mind, call Alice etc. so that the reason for the suicide is removed. Therefore, for a typical immortal there will be no bulllet going through the head, no disfigurement etc. Instead, an event will occur which will naturally remove the need for the suicide. In other words, immortals will not typically perceive themselves living in the world where strange things happen. Instead, the world will somehow make sure that immortals stay alive AND that things behave relatively reasonably. Let us assume that QI is true and that all of us are immortals. What is the least improbable thing that can allow us to stay alive forever? Life extension. With the modern progress of biology it is not completely improbable that a technology is discovered within say next 10 years that will reverse aging. In this scenario a typical immortal will not even tribute his immortality to QI. Instead, immortality will be a natural consequence of life extension. Now lets apply the principle of the least improbability to actually influence things. Lets assume, that Alice who believes in QI wants a certain probable event to happen, for instance win 1,000,000 in a casino. Alice then comes to a casino with a loaded gun and promises to herself, that she will kill herself if she does not win 1,000,000. You can even think about a suicidal lottery machine, which will automatically kill Alice if Alice does not win 1,000,000. Since Alice is immortal, there are two possivle outcomes 1). Alice wins 1,000,000 and the trigger is not pulled 2). Alice does not win 1,000,000, the trigger is pulled, the bullet goes through Alice's head without killing Alice Now although 1) is highly improbable 2) is much much more improbable. Due to the principle of the least improbability 1) is going to happen for a typical immortal - meaning that Alice wins 1,000,000 If you accept that, you should accept that QI provides a way for immortals to influence the world by doing attempted suicides. Essentially, anything becomes possible for an immortal. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
