RE: Current events
There is something to be said for the hypothesis that there are no advanced technological civilizations in the universe because they invariably destroy themselves in the blink of an eye after they are fist born. Not what I would have wished, but in our own case we certainly seem to be bearing it out. From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:16 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Current events Japan is only doing the same as the rest of the world, of course - pretending there's nothing wrong, carrying on as usual and hoping the world will sort itself out (which it will, no doubt, but maybe not with the human race still around). Fukushima just happens to be a particularly ghastly example of the sort of problems we've created for ourselves. Meanwhile Barak Obama continues to not fulfil his promises about a green economy, Putin is such a wimp he can't take a few peaceful protests about Arctic oil drilling without throwing his toys out the cradle, the Aussies have just withdrawn from the carbon tax scheme (why they don't use solar power for everything in that climate is beyond me) and our very own Prime Minister in New Zealand continues to head towards the most environmentally destructive policies he can in the name of short term supposed boosts to the economy, or more likely just making the rich richer... (And we wonder why SETI hasn't picked up any signs of intelligent life...) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Current events
Japan is only doing the same as the rest of the world, of course - pretending there's nothing wrong, carrying on as usual and hoping the world will sort itself out (which it will, no doubt, but maybe not with the human race still around). Fukushima just happens to be a particularly ghastly example of the sort of problems we've created for ourselves. Meanwhile Barak Obama continues to not fulfil his promises about a green economy, Putin is such a wimp he can't take a few peaceful protests about Arctic oil drilling without throwing his toys out the cradle, the Aussies have just withdrawn from the carbon tax scheme (why they don't use solar power for everything in that climate is beyond me) and our very own Prime Minister in New Zealand continues to head towards the most environmentally destructive policies he can in the name of short term supposed boosts to the economy, or more likely just making the rich richer... (And we wonder why SETI hasn't picked up any signs of intelligent life...) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Current events
Yeah your right: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24550492 It's crazy that comparatively so little has been done to stabilize and entomb that site; considering the ultimate consequences should any number of the structures fail. A case of misplaced priorities that unfortunately could become a civilization ending event. At this point entombing the whole thing seems to be the only option - don't think anybody has the tech to handle a hot mass of corium melt. I would estimate that entombing Fukushima will cost many trillions of dollars over hundreds and hundreds - if not hundreds of thousands of years. But that is chump change compared to the cost of doing nothing. As you noted large once in a hundred year weather events are going to most likely become more common as the planet roils in shedding heat out into space. That place is hell on earth. In one of the reactor buildings - I forget which even the best radiation hardened robots we have only last a few minutes before the intense gamma ray flux literally fries them and the telemetry they can gather is of extremely poor quality due the intense gamma ray emissions in that area. I think all we can do at this point is to entomb - at massive cost - and contain this hell from the rest of the planet. This is one of those problems that is so horrible that no one wants to deal with it or think about it; preferring almost anything to this activity. Nobody wants to own this. Fukushima is like an orphan child and the Japanese government would love it to just go away and let it focus instead on important things like preparing for the Olympics. the insanity of the apparent priorities is truly rich, but also potentially tragic for all of humankind. I am unimpressed with Japan's efforts and ability to manage this disaster and am concerned that they have been in a reactive mode and are flailing around and trying to pretend that they can focus on other things - like the Olympics. How many close calls will Fukushima survive before it can finally be stabilized? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:30 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Current events I think it has either arrived or missed by now, it was due to make landfall on Wednesday, I think. Wikipedia states 17 people killed and 50 missing, unfortunately. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/15/us-japan-typhoon-idUSBRE99E09H2013 1015 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Current events
I think it has either arrived or missed by now, it was due to make landfall on Wednesday, I think. Wikipedia states 17 people killed and 50 missing, unfortunately. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/15/us-japan-typhoon-idUSBRE99E09H20131015 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Current events
The trouble is we will be getting "once in a decade" storms (and "once in a lifetime" events of all types) more and more often, unless the IPCC are completely wrong (the latest view seems to be that they were too conservative in their last report). So yes I'm concerned about this, and about everything else that's going on upon the dark and troubled Earth. On 17 October 2013 14:17, Chris de Morsella wrote: > Anybody else concerned about the typhoon now bearing down on Fukushima? If > it slices up the coast and strikes Fukushima will those damaged and weather > exposed reinforced concrete monolithic structures withstand the horizontal > stresses. Am especially concerned about the SFP above reactor #4 (it is > sitting ten floors up in the air) and that building is in bad shape and is > far too radioactive to work around. That is the one they plan on trying to > remove, especially the hot fuel from – a very dangerous act with Zirconium > clad fuel rods and one that speaks volumes about how really desperate the > situation is in that SFP. > > There is enough still very hot spent fuel in that SFP to wreak havoc on > this earth if #4 or the other units there should fail in this once in a > decade storm. > > Hopefully the typhoon misses. In the next hours will see. Happening now on > planet earth, which no matter where our heads are at, is where our feet are > planted. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Current events
Anybody else concerned about the typhoon now bearing down on Fukushima? If it slices up the coast and strikes Fukushima will those damaged and weather exposed reinforced concrete monolithic structures withstand the horizontal stresses. Am especially concerned about the SFP above reactor #4 (it is sitting ten floors up in the air) and that building is in bad shape and is far too radioactive to work around. That is the one they plan on trying to remove, especially the hot fuel from - a very dangerous act with Zirconium clad fuel rods and one that speaks volumes about how really desperate the situation is in that SFP. There is enough still very hot spent fuel in that SFP to wreak havoc on this earth if #4 or the other units there should fail in this once in a decade storm. Hopefully the typhoon misses. In the next hours will see. Happening now on planet earth, which no matter where our heads are at, is where our feet are planted. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
