Re: Materialists believe apparently strange things, such as that mind is matter.
On 22 Jun 2013, at 22:43, John Mikes wrote: Bruno I admire you for responding to everything, no matter how irrelevant. Have a pleasant summer It is my way, I always interpret favorably, without too much attention of words, until I see the real discrepancies if there is one. I can relate with some people's talk, even when I don't follow them on some important other point. Maybe I shouldn't exaggerate. Some people might think I agree completely, and get susceptible when I put the finger on the discrepancies. I dunno ... Best, Bruno John On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Jun 2013, at 03:26, Roger Clough wrote: Materialists believe apparently strange things, such as that mind is matter. What if mind is matter ? Then mind would be quantized, and there would be particles of mind (psychon, as someone named it). Comp would be false, but some other mechanist assumption would remain correct. Just be sure your doctor put the right psychon in the artificial brain. I find comp more plausible, and as having a bigger explanatory power. Even for matter, I am not convinced by the "particle" idea. Bruno If mind is matter, if thought is particular, can you explain then how such particles think ? Do they mull around until they vote one to be the leader, who organzies the rest of the unruly mob ? And what orders does he give them ? Etc. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything- l...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Materialists believe apparently strange things, such as that mind is matter.
Bruno I admire you for responding to everything, no matter how irrelevant. Have a pleasant summer John On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 22 Jun 2013, at 03:26, Roger Clough wrote: > > > Materialists believe apparently strange things, such as that mind is > matter. > > What if mind is matter ? > > > Then mind would be quantized, and there would be particles of mind > (psychon, as someone named it). > > Comp would be false, but some other mechanist assumption would remain > correct. Just be sure your doctor put the right psychon in the artificial > brain. > > I find comp more plausible, and as having a bigger explanatory power. Even > for matter, I am not convinced by the "particle" idea. > > Bruno > > > > > If mind is matter, if thought is particular, can you explain then how such > particles think ? > Do they mull around until they vote one to be the leader, who organzies > the rest of the unruly mob ? And what orders does he give them ? Etc. > > Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] > See my Leibniz site at > http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Materialists believe apparently strange things, such as that mind is matter.
On 22 Jun 2013, at 03:26, Roger Clough wrote: Materialists believe apparently strange things, such as that mind is matter. What if mind is matter ? Then mind would be quantized, and there would be particles of mind (psychon, as someone named it). Comp would be false, but some other mechanist assumption would remain correct. Just be sure your doctor put the right psychon in the artificial brain. I find comp more plausible, and as having a bigger explanatory power. Even for matter, I am not convinced by the "particle" idea. Bruno If mind is matter, if thought is particular, can you explain then how such particles think ? Do they mull around until they vote one to be the leader, who organzies the rest of the unruly mob ? And what orders does he give them ? Etc. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Materialists believe apparently strange things, such as that mind is matter.
--- Original Message --- From: "Roger Clough" Sent: 22 June 2013 11:26 AM To: "- Roger Clough" Subject: Materialists believe apparently strange things, such as that mind is matter. Materialists believe apparently strange things, such as that mind is matter. What if mind is matter ? If mind is matter, if thought is particular, can you explain then how such particles think ? Do they mull around until they vote one to be the leader, who organzies the rest of the unruly mob ? And what orders does he give them ? Etc. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
