Re: The self-taming of the universe

2013-01-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
I think that there is no literal field. Self-organization requires only a 
capacity to experience and effect change. When a car breaks down, there is 
no field of organization which is going to appear and fix it - the car is 
fixed by the sensory-motor capacities of the car's owner and nothing else. 
Someone discerns that the car is broken, cares that it is broken, and is 
able to invest that care into electrical changes into their own brain which 
direct a human body to interact with its world. 

If you look at a person fixing their car from the outside, knowing nothing, 
you might conclude that there is a field which attracts a mechanic to the 
car being transmitted through the telephone or some such thing, but that is 
only a model of the situation in which subjectivity is not accounted for. 
If you believe in a universe where matter lacks the capacity to sense 
itself, then you have to compensate by imagining that space has magical 
properties, hence 'force' and 'field'. Voila - a universe of emptiness 
haunted by unexplained tendencies with scientific sounding names.

Craig

On Friday, January 4, 2013 2:22:23 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:

 IMHO Sheldrake's morphic fields are organizing fields which result 
 in the self-taming or organization of random fields.  So they are 
 anti-entropic or energy-forming. We see such taming in the formation   
 of planets from swirling dust particles, in the formation of tornadoes,   
 and in the precipitation of ice crystals as water cools. Black holes 
 are another possible example.  Priogogine has discussed this   
 phenomenon in great detail. 

 This self-organization is caused by the overcoming of the kinetic energy   
 of vibration of random dispersions of particles through cooling. 
 In this process, kinetic energy is dissipated through the internal   
 attractions between individual particles. The individual attracting   
 forces could include electrical attractions and the forces of gravity. 
 Thus chance movements are gradually overcome by the mechanism 
 of attractions between particles to organized fields called habits or 
 morphic fields. 


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The self-taming of the universe

2013-01-03 Thread Roger Clough
IMHO Sheldrake's morphic fields are organizing fields which result 
in the self-taming or organization of random fields.  So they are 
anti-entropic or energy-forming. We see such taming in the formation  
of planets from swirling dust particles, in the formation of tornadoes,  
and in the precipitation of ice crystals as water cools. Black holes 
are another possible example.  Priogogine has discussed this  
phenomenon in great detail. 

This self-organization is caused by the overcoming of the kinetic energy  
of vibration of random dispersions of particles through cooling. 
In this process, kinetic energy is dissipated through the internal  
attractions between individual particles. The individual attracting  
forces could include electrical attractions and the forces of gravity. 
Thus chance movements are gradually overcome by the mechanism 
of attractions between particles to organized fields called habits or 
morphic fields.

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