Re: The self as lens: Leibniz's lens-like model of perception and reality
I meant Roger. He uses this picture. Of course I'm working on a theory that makes me a cat looking through a goldfish bowl. (I guess I can't keep it secret any longer!) [image: Inline images 1] On 16 November 2013 23:37, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 15 Nov 2013, at 21:59, LizR wrote: > > AHA, I can see from your avatar why you're so keen on Leibniz - you're > almost his double! > > :) > > > > Are you talking to Roger or me? > Not sure which avatar you meant, nor which picture of Leibniz? > > Don't mind too much ... > > :) > > > > > On 16 November 2013 04:57, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 15 Nov 2013, at 16:30, Richard Ruquist wrote: >> >> Where's the math? >> >> >> Good question. >> >> I comment Roger below: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >> >>> The self as lens: Leibniz's lens-like model of perception and reality. >>> >>> Although I cannot find a direct reference in Leibniz's writings, they >>> have not all been translated. Nevertheless Leibniz's model >>> of perception is seemingly based on the high technology of the 17th >>> century, >>> Huygen's microscope. The indirect reference to the perceiver >>> as based on the lens of a microscope, which can represent a >>> field of view at a single point, as a unity,, as a perceiver or self >>> must do >>> Leibniz's conceptioon of reality was similar to this : >>> >>> "Reality cannot be found except in One single source, because >>> of the interconnection of all things with one another. >>> I do not conceive of any reality at all as without genuine unity. >>> (*Gottfried Leibniz*, 1670) >>> >>> This single point in the perceiver and in reality itself >>> is reflected in Leibniz's monad (which represents the many in the one), >>> Plato's model of the One, >>> >> >> OK, up to here. >> >> >> the concepts of white and black holes >>> and the twistor in Penrose's physics.. >>> >> >> ? (That's a big jump which would need tuns of precisions, publications >> and independent verifications), ... >> ... and the math, as Richard asked. >> >> >> >> >>> Leibniz's monadology itself can be used to derive >>> the self as lens, since a person can be focused down >>> to be represented by a monad, which >>> cAn be understood as a point homunculus (the perceiver). >>> >> >> Too much analogical for me. >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >>> It is also well known that Leibniz referred to the myriad >>> of microscopic organisms seen in a microscope as >>> vderying his view of the world as the many in the one >>> (the monad). >>> >>> >>> >>> Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] >>> See my Leibniz site at >>> http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/ev
Re: The self as lens: Leibniz's lens-like model of perception and reality
On 15 Nov 2013, at 21:59, LizR wrote: AHA, I can see from your avatar why you're so keen on Leibniz - you're almost his double! :) Are you talking to Roger or me? Not sure which avatar you meant, nor which picture of Leibniz? Don't mind too much ... :) On 16 November 2013 04:57, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Nov 2013, at 16:30, Richard Ruquist wrote: Where's the math? Good question. I comment Roger below: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Roger Clough wrote: The self as lens: Leibniz's lens-like model of perception and reality. Although I cannot find a direct reference in Leibniz's writings, they have not all been translated. Nevertheless Leibniz's model of perception is seemingly based on the high technology of the 17th century, Huygen's microscope. The indirect reference to the perceiver as based on the lens of a microscope, which can represent a field of view at a single point, as a unity,, as a perceiver or self must do Leibniz's conceptioon of reality was similar to this : "Reality cannot be found except in One single source, because of the interconnection of all things with one another. I do not conceive of any reality at all as without genuine unity. (Gottfried Leibniz, 1670) This single point in the perceiver and in reality itself is reflected in Leibniz's monad (which represents the many in the one), Plato's model of the One, OK, up to here. the concepts of white and black holes and the twistor in Penrose's physics.. ? (That's a big jump which would need tuns of precisions, publications and independent verifications), ... ... and the math, as Richard asked. Leibniz's monadology itself can be used to derive the self as lens, since a person can be focused down to be represented by a monad, which cAn be understood as a point homunculus (the perceiver). Too much analogical for me. Bruno It is also well known that Leibniz referred to the myriad of microscopic organisms seen in a microscope as vderying his view of the world as the many in the one (the monad). Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything- l...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything- l...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: The self as lens: Leibniz's lens-like model of perception and reality
AHA, I can see from your avatar why you're so keen on Leibniz - you're almost his double! :) On 16 November 2013 04:57, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 15 Nov 2013, at 16:30, Richard Ruquist wrote: > > Where's the math? > > > Good question. > > I comment Roger below: > > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > >> The self as lens: Leibniz's lens-like model of perception and reality. >> >> Although I cannot find a direct reference in Leibniz's writings, they >> have not all been translated. Nevertheless Leibniz's model >> of perception is seemingly based on the high technology of the 17th >> century, >> Huygen's microscope. The indirect reference to the perceiver >> as based on the lens of a microscope, which can represent a >> field of view at a single point, as a unity,, as a perceiver or self must >> do >> Leibniz's conceptioon of reality was similar to this : >> >> "Reality cannot be found except in One single source, because >> of the interconnection of all things with one another. >> I do not conceive of any reality at all as without genuine unity. >> (*Gottfried Leibniz*, 1670) >> >> This single point in the perceiver and in reality itself >> is reflected in Leibniz's monad (which represents the many in the one), >> Plato's model of the One, >> > > OK, up to here. > > > the concepts of white and black holes >> and the twistor in Penrose's physics.. >> > > ? (That's a big jump which would need tuns of precisions, publications and > independent verifications), ... > ... and the math, as Richard asked. > > > > >> Leibniz's monadology itself can be used to derive >> the self as lens, since a person can be focused down >> to be represented by a monad, which >> cAn be understood as a point homunculus (the perceiver). >> > > Too much analogical for me. > > Bruno > > > > >> It is also well known that Leibniz referred to the myriad >> of microscopic organisms seen in a microscope as >> vderying his view of the world as the many in the one >> (the monad). >> >> >> >> Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] >> See my Leibniz site at >> http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: The self as lens: Leibniz's lens-like model of perception and reality
On 15 Nov 2013, at 16:30, Richard Ruquist wrote: Where's the math? Good question. I comment Roger below: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Roger Clough wrote: The self as lens: Leibniz's lens-like model of perception and reality. Although I cannot find a direct reference in Leibniz's writings, they have not all been translated. Nevertheless Leibniz's model of perception is seemingly based on the high technology of the 17th century, Huygen's microscope. The indirect reference to the perceiver as based on the lens of a microscope, which can represent a field of view at a single point, as a unity,, as a perceiver or self must do Leibniz's conceptioon of reality was similar to this : "Reality cannot be found except in One single source, because of the interconnection of all things with one another. I do not conceive of any reality at all as without genuine unity. (Gottfried Leibniz, 1670) This single point in the perceiver and in reality itself is reflected in Leibniz's monad (which represents the many in the one), Plato's model of the One, OK, up to here. the concepts of white and black holes and the twistor in Penrose's physics.. ? (That's a big jump which would need tuns of precisions, publications and independent verifications), ... ... and the math, as Richard asked. Leibniz's monadology itself can be used to derive the self as lens, since a person can be focused down to be represented by a monad, which cAn be understood as a point homunculus (the perceiver). Too much analogical for me. Bruno It is also well known that Leibniz referred to the myriad of microscopic organisms seen in a microscope as vderying his view of the world as the many in the one (the monad). Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: The self as lens: Leibniz's lens-like model of perception and reality
Where's the math? On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > The self as lens: Leibniz's lens-like model of perception and reality. > > Although I cannot find a direct reference in Leibniz's writings, they > have not all been translated. Nevertheless Leibniz's model > of perception is seemingly based on the high technology of the 17th > century, > Huygen's microscope. The indirect reference to the perceiver > as based on the lens of a microscope, which can represent a > field of view at a single point, as a unity,, as a perceiver or self must > do > Leibniz's conceptioon of reality was similar to this : > > "Reality cannot be found except in One single source, because > of the interconnection of all things with one another. > I do not conceive of any reality at all as without genuine unity. > (*Gottfried Leibniz*, 1670) > > This single point in the perceiver and in reality itself > is reflected in Leibniz's monad (which represents the many in the one), > Plato's model of the One, the concepts of white and black holes > and the twistor in Penrose's physics.. > > Leibniz's monadology itself can be used to derive > the self as lens, since a person can be focused down > to be represented by a monad, which > cAn be understood as a point homunculus (the perceiver). > > It is also well known that Leibniz referred to the myriad > of microscopic organisms seen in a microscope as > vderying his view of the world as the many in the one > (the monad). > > > > Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] > See my Leibniz site at > http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
The self as lens: Leibniz's lens-like model of perception and reality
The self as lens: Leibniz's lens-like model of perception and reality. Although I cannot find a direct reference in Leibniz's writings, they have not all been translated. Nevertheless Leibniz's model of perception is seemingly based on the high technology of the 17th century, Huygen's microscope. The indirect reference to the perceiver as based on the lens of a microscope, which can represent a field of view at a single point, as a unity,, as a perceiver or self must do Leibniz's conceptioon of reality was similar to this : "Reality cannot be found except in One single source, because of the interconnection of all things with one another. I do not conceive of any reality at all as without genuine unity. (Gottfried Leibniz, 1670) This single point in the perceiver and in reality itself is reflected in Leibniz's monad (which represents the many in the one), Plato's model of the One, the concepts of white and black holes and the twistor in Penrose's physics.. Leibniz's monadology itself can be used to derive the self as lens, since a person can be focused down to be represented by a monad, which cAn be understood as a point homunculus (the perceiver). It is also well known that Leibniz referred to the myriad of microscopic organisms seen in a microscope as vderying his view of the world as the many in the one (the monad). Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
