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From: Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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1Z wrote:
 >
 > Stathis Papaioannou wrote:

 >>I've never really understood why computationalists insist that a system
 >>must be able to handle counterfactuals in order for consciousness to 
occur,
 >
 >
 > I've explained that several times: computer programmes contain
 > if-then statements.
 >
 >
 >>other than that otherwise any physical system could be seen as 
implementing
 >>any computation, which does not seem to me a good reason. In any case,
 >>Maudlin shows that the requirement for handling counterfactuals leads to
 >>a situation where of two systems with identical physical activity, one is
 >>conscious and the other not.
 >
 >
 > If two systems differ counterfactually, they are not physically
 > identical.

I don't think I understand this either.  Computer programs contain if-then
statements which branch the process depending on the data input to the 
program.
   But there is no real distinction between data an program.  So if you 
insist
that  computed intelligence or consciousness depends on counterfactuals in 
the
program that seems to me to be the same as insisting that the computation is
implemented in some way that divides it from input data, i.e. it is in an
environment.

I'm sympathetic to this view.  I think intelligence is relative to an
environment.  But I'm not sure what computationalists think of this; I 
believe
they suppose the environment can be simulated too and so then the whole 
thing is
a closed system and there are no conuterfactual branchings.

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2005-06-24 Thread Jesse Mazer
"New Agers"? Few of us on this list believe in stuff like ESP, the only 
exceptions I know of are rmiller and Stephen Paul King. Most of us believe 
in a completely reductionist view of how the brain produces intelligent 
behavior (ie we think a sufficiently detailed simulation of a brain would 
behave just as intelligently as the original), even if some think there is a 
mystery about the first-person aspects of consciousness. The main purpose of 
the list is to discuss the idea that all logically possible universes (or 
observer-moments) exist--is that a standard New Age belief?


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2005-06-24 Thread Bruno Marchal


Le 24-juin-05, à 14:47, A. Maxwell a écrit :



Where's the math?, 



Here:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0521483255/104-6734233 
-3264737?v=glance


Look Maxwell, in the list nobody pretends to know the truth, and we are  
just making *arguments*. But if you like math, see my url which  
translate some of our arguments in arithmetic. The basic math is  
detailed in the book above.
An excellent introduction to such math (which does not look serious but  
*is* serious) is here:


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0192821962/104-6734233 
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2005-06-24 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le Vendredi 24 Juin 2005 14:47, A. Maxwell a écrit :
> I hope you all have fun languishing in the hell that is pseudo-science and
> superstition.   
> P.S. Where's the math, you superstitious new-agers?

If you don't like discussing philosophy/metaphysic, please don't feel 
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--- Jesse Mazer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Eugen Leitl wrote:
> >David Barrett-Lennard wrote:
> > > Here is a justification of why I think
> arithmetical realism is at least
> > > very plausible...
> >
> >I'm all ears.
> >
> > > Let's suppose that a computer simulation can (in
> principle) exhibit
> > > awareness.  I don't know whether you dispute
> this hypothesis, but let's
> > > assume it and see where it leads.
> >
> >With you so far. We already have simulated critters
> with behaviour, and
> >awareness of their environment. Computational
> neuroscience even attempts to
> >do it with a high degree of biological realism.
> >
> > > Let's suppose in fact that you Eugin,  were able
> to watch a computer
> > > simulation run, and on the screen you could see
> "people" laughing,
> > > talking - perhaps even discussing ideas like
> whether *their* physical
> > > existence needs to be postulated, or else they
> are merely part of a
> > > platonic multiverse.  A simulated person may
> stamp his fist on a
> > > simulated coffee table and say "Surely this
> coffee table is real - how
> > > could it possibly be numbers - I've never heard
> of anything so
> >
> >That wouldn't be abstract "numbers". You'd have a
> system with a state, 
> >evolving
> >along a trajectory. In your case, that system state
> is being rendered (in
> >realtime, I presume) for external observers.
> 
> ...but suppose we implement the same abstract
> program on several computers 
> of totally different construction, like a regular
> computer using electronic 
> impulses vs. a quantum computer or a gigantic
> babbage machine that uses only 
> rotating gears. For the critters inside the
> simulation, wouldn't all these 
> cases appear subjectively identical to them? If so,
> it seems the only common 
> denominator is that all the computers were doing the
> same abstract 
> computation, the physical details are apparently
> irrelevant in determining 
> the experience of the simulated beings. Doesn't this
> lend intuitive support 
> to the Platonic view that our own physical universe
> is itself just a 
> particular abstract computation? Isn't your own
> belief that there is 
> something more to our own universe, something more
> "physical" I guess, 
> nothing more than faith in a certain metaphysical
> view of reality, with no 
> more evidence (and considerably less parsimony, IMO)
> to justify it than the 
> Platonic view?
> 
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