Re: [Evolution] Evolution 1.1.0.9

[Hans Scheffers]

Yep, Summary is allright
When I go to the settings and do a kill on the mail components, I can
edit  the settings; problem is the mail-settings aren't there when the
mail component is killed, so i cannot edit the mail settings.
Greetz
Hans
On Thu, 2002-09-12 at 15:20, Not Zed wrote:
> hmm sounds like it mighrt be the summary, is that working properly?
> 
> On Thu, 2002-09-12 at 19:37, Hans Scheffers wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 18:57, Not Zed wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 19:38, Hans Scheffers wrote:
> > > > Hi
> > > > I am using the development snapshot. Since a few days I cannot get to my
> > > > settings anymore.
> > > 
> > > I haven't seen any problems like this.  how do you mean you can't get to
> > > settings?  there is no menu item or something else? everythig else
> > > works?  did you run out of disk space?  any other disk permission
> > > problems/etc.
> > When clicking Tools - Preferences evolution hangs, i have to kill it
> > after that. As far as I can see everything else works (accept for the
> > signatures). Diskspace shouldn't be a problem, all disks have > 15% free
> > (all in MB ;-) 
> > > 
> > > >  Is there another way I can add / change / delete
> > > > accounts?
> > > 
> > > not really, they are stored in xml but are not in human editable format.
> > > 
> > > > I also cannot use my signatures anymore... Can I change the default
> > > > signature anymore?
> > > 
> > > its probably related to the settings problem.
> > 
> > Greetz
> > Hans
> > 
> > 



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Re: [Evolution] Evolution 1.1.0.9

[Not Zed]

On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 18:05, Lloyd D Budd wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 09:57, Not Zed wrote:
> > as to the discussion that followed on the evoltuion list ... yeah this
> > is the right place to post it (its for users of evolution).  and
> > duplicate requests are more of a pain for us than singular problems like
> > this.  also, knowing about development version bugs quickly is often
> > useful, as the code in question is often still in our heads.  tho this
> > bug probably sounds like a local/installation issue to me.
> 
> Interesting, thanks for the knowledge.  So this would not be more
> appropriately discussed on the devel list?  Can one assume that the

no, the devel list is for development issues, ways to solve existing or
new problems (but not what they are), i18n issues directly related to
code, and so forth.

> devel snapshots will be best-effort-stable, ie you will never break
> things to allow you to make leaps and bounds? 

i'd like to think that if we do, we'll let people know.  tho this
doesn't always happen, i try to let ppl know if i do such a thing myself
... 

but yeah, some of the guys (not me, its too hard) use cvs evolution for
their daily mail, so they prefer it to work always.  we sometimes use
branches and the like to test radically new code a bit before it goes in
as well.

its best effort stable, but things could change, such as menu's and
keybindings, and maybe file formats, at any time.  there could be known
bugs that aren't fixed for some time (annoyances rather than things that
instantly crash on startup), and generally most such bugs go into the
bug system which is the best place to put them since they wont get lost
forever when people forget about them for a day.




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Re: [Evolution] Evolution 1.1.0.9

[Michael Leone]

Lloyd D Budd said:
> On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 06:38, Michael Leone may have wrote:
>
>> > If Hans has given it his best effort, which suggests that his
>> intention+ is to assist development of evo, then he is missing a lot
>> of details in his posting.
>>
>> Why are you supposing that it's his intention to assist in developing
>> Evo?
> Otherwise, it does not seem to be a good idea to be running a devel
> snapshot.

If no one runs the devel snapshots, how else to find bugs/make
suggestions? :-)

>> This is the Evo user's list; it sounded like a question from a user.
>> The developer's list is for people doing developing (coding) - at
>> least, that's how I interpret it. (the "developer's" list is called
>> "evolution-hackers", isn't it? In order to hack, you must code. :-)

> That is an unusually interpretation.  Usually, a user list is not for
> the bleeding edge, untested version, as devel often do not want to hear
> when they broke something that they have broken on purpose.  I have
> corrected though, it seems that it is encouraged to run devel snapshot.

There is no "Evo-beta" or "Evo-snapshot-users" list; just a general
Evo-users list. Also, since developers develop software for users, they
must hear about the results of their work from the intended users of that
work. Feedback is essential, as it is in almost every other area of
expertise.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution 1.1.0.9

[Lloyd D Budd]

On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 06:38, Michael Leone may have wrote:

> > If Hans has given it his best effort, which suggests that his intention+
> > is to assist development of evo, then he is missing a lot of details in
> > his posting.
> 
> Why are you supposing that it's his intention to assist in developing Evo?
Otherwise, it does not seem to be a good idea to be running a devel
snapshot.  

> 
> This is the Evo user's list; it sounded like a question from a user. The
> developer's list is for people doing developing (coding) - at least,
> that's how I interpret it. (the "developer's" list is called
> "evolution-hackers", isn't it? In order to hack, you must code. :-)
That is an unusually interpretation.  Usually, a user list is not for
the bleeding edge, untested version, as devel often do not want to hear
when they broke something that they have broken on purpose.  I have
corrected though, it seems that it is encouraged to run devel snapshot.

Cheers,
Lloyd D Budd

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution 1.1.0.9

[Michael Leone]

Lloyd D Budd said:
> On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 20:54, Mike Leone may have wrote:
>> * Lloyd D Budd ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 09 10, 02 at
>> 20:54:
>> > I am not a evo developer.
>> >
>> > I do find it strange when seeing msgs from ppl using devel snapshots
>> requesting help in such a way that would likely distract developers
>> from developing.  If you can't drive, have not given your best
>> effort to learn to drive, and you are not looking for assistance on
>> driving, don't try driving.
>>
>> How do you know that Hans has not given it his best effort?
>
> If Hans has given it his best effort, which suggests that his intention+
> is to assist development of evo, then he is missing a lot of details in
> his posting.

Why are you supposing that it's his intention to assist in developing Evo?

This is the Evo user's list; it sounded like a question from a user. The
developer's list is for people doing developing (coding) - at least,
that's how I interpret it. (the "developer's" list is called
"evolution-hackers", isn't it? In order to hack, you must code. :-)

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution 1.1.0.9

[Lloyd D Budd]

On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 09:57, Not Zed wrote:
> as to the discussion that followed on the evoltuion list ... yeah this
> is the right place to post it (its for users of evolution).  and
> duplicate requests are more of a pain for us than singular problems like
> this.  also, knowing about development version bugs quickly is often
> useful, as the code in question is often still in our heads.  tho this
> bug probably sounds like a local/installation issue to me.

Interesting, thanks for the knowledge.  So this would not be more
appropriately discussed on the devel list?  Can one assume that the
devel snapshots will be best-effort-stable, ie you will never break
things to allow you to make leaps and bounds? 

Cheers,
Lloyd D Budd


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Re: [Evolution] Evolution 1.1.0.9

[Not Zed]

On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 19:38, Hans Scheffers wrote:
> Hi
> I am using the development snapshot. Since a few days I cannot get to my
> settings anymore.

I haven't seen any problems like this.  how do you mean you can't get to
settings?  there is no menu item or something else? everythig else
works?  did you run out of disk space?  any other disk permission
problems/etc.

>  Is there another way I can add / change / delete
> accounts?

not really, they are stored in xml but are not in human editable format.

> I also cannot use my signatures anymore... Can I change the default
> signature anymore?

its probably related to the settings problem.



as to the discussion that followed on the evoltuion list ... yeah this
is the right place to post it (its for users of evolution).  and
duplicate requests are more of a pain for us than singular problems like
this.  also, knowing about development version bugs quickly is often
useful, as the code in question is often still in our heads.  tho this
bug probably sounds like a local/installation issue to me.






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Re: [Evolution] Evolution 1.1.0.9

[Lloyd D Budd]

On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 20:54, Mike Leone may have wrote:
> * Lloyd D Budd ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 09 10, 02 at 20:54: 
> > I am not a evo developer.  
> > 
> > I do find it strange when seeing msgs from ppl using devel snapshots
> > requesting help in such a way that would likely distract developers from
> > developing.  If you can't drive, have not given your best effort to
> > learn to drive, and you are not looking for assistance on driving, don't
> > try driving.
> 
> How do you know that Hans has not given it his best effort?

If Hans has given it his best effort, which suggests that his intention+
is to assist development of evo, then he is missing a lot of details in
his posting.

Based on the info contained in Hans question it suggests that I do not
understand the evo devel model well enough, or Hans is likely using the
wrong "version". Anyone that uses a devel snapshot for "real work"
better be willing to live with it or deal it if something really bad
happens.  


> > Depending on the development model, these sort of messages against the
> > bleeding edge are excellent, but not likely in the context of evo. I
> > might even suggest that such a posting is off topic.
> 
> Oh, surely not.
Hey, I may be wrong, this may be the rite place 4 this sort of
question.  I would hope that there was a more appropriate place, as I
want to be able to "folder" to learn and assist about blessed versions. 

Cheers,
Lloyd D Budd

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution 1.1.0.9

[Mike Leone]

* Lloyd D Budd ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote this on 09 10, 02 at 20:54: 
> On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 03:08, Hans Scheffers wrote:
> > Hi
> > I am using the development snapshot. Since a few days I cannot get to my
> > settings anymore. Is there another way I can add / change / delete
> > accounts?
> > I also cannot use my signatures anymore... Can I change the default
> > signature anymore?
> 
> I am not a evo developer.  
> 
> I do find it strange when seeing msgs from ppl using devel snapshots
> requesting help in such a way that would likely distract developers from
> developing.  If you can't drive, have not given your best effort to
> learn to drive, and you are not looking for assistance on driving, don't
> try driving.

How do you know that Hans has not given it his best effort?

> Depending on the development model, these sort of messages against the
> bleeding edge are excellent, but not likely in the context of evo. I
> might even suggest that such a posting is off topic.

Oh, surely not.


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Re: [Evolution] Evolution 1.1.0.9

[Lloyd D Budd]

On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 03:08, Hans Scheffers wrote:
> Hi
> I am using the development snapshot. Since a few days I cannot get to my
> settings anymore. Is there another way I can add / change / delete
> accounts?
> I also cannot use my signatures anymore... Can I change the default
> signature anymore?

I am not a evo developer.  

I do find it strange when seeing msgs from ppl using devel snapshots
requesting help in such a way that would likely distract developers from
developing.  If you can't drive, have not given your best effort to
learn to drive, and you are not looking for assistance on driving, don't
try driving.

Depending on the development model, these sort of messages against the
bleeding edge are excellent, but not likely in the context of evo. I
might even suggest that such a posting is off topic.

Cheers,
Lloyd D Budd


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