Re: [Evolution] "Backend is busy" messages, all the time
Hi Chris, Its because eds can handle only one call at a time from its clients. If any concurrent call is made, the warning is displayed. This has been partly fixed in evolution-2.26. It will be completely fixed with the dbus port for EDS. See - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347287 . - Chenthill. On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 14:42 +, Chris G wrote: > Whenever I run evolution (well, when I run it from a terminal) I see > lots of messages like the following:- > > (evolution:20428): calendar-gui-WARNING **: gnome-cal.c:910: Could not > create the query: Backend is busy > > (evolution:20428): calendar-gui-WARNING **: e-cal-model.c:1658: Unable to > get query > > I've been ignoring these but I've just realised it might explain my > inability to get dates in the Calendar in list-view to show in the > correct (European DD/MM/) format. > > So, why am I getting these "Backend is busy" warnings, it doesn't > happen just sometimes, it happens every time I go to a Calendar view. > > The evolution data server is running:- > > chris$ ps -ef | grep evo > chris 7150 1 0 Mar04 ?00:00:00 > /usr/lib/evolution/evolution-data-server-2.24 > --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_DataServer_CalFactory:1.2 > --oaf-ior-fd=18 > chris19895 19864 0 14:10 ?00:00:00 > /usr/lib/evolution/2.24/evolution-alarm-notify --sm-config-prefix > /evolution-alarm-notify-4ZmiNy/ --sm-client-id > 11c0a8010400012352417680070160019 --screen 0 > chris20078 1 0 14:10 ?00:00:00 > /usr/lib/evolution/evolution-data-server-2.24 > --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_DataServer_CalFactory:1.2 > --oaf-ior-fd=18 > chris20428 19949 0 14:33 pts/100:00:01 evolution > > ... in fact there are two of them, is that the problem maybe? I've > just killed the old (Mar04) one and I'm seeing exactly the same errors. > > ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] adding gpg signature to evolution messages
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 17:54 -0700, Donald Raikes wrote: > Hello, > > Recently I installed ubuntu 8.10, and am very pleased with the way > evolution works. > > My only problem so far is that I would like to sign my email with my gpg > key. What I have done: > > 1. selected edit -> preferences mail accounts edit security. > > I then enter the public key into the pgp key edit box, and check the box > that says to sign al messages from this account. When you say you enter the key, you mean the Key ID, right? It's string of 8 hex digits. > I click ok and close on the preferences dialog. > > When I then try to send an email, I get an error saying taht evolution > could not add the signature. I have verified the gpg key I entered and > it is correct. Does gpg work outside of Evo? e.g. can you sign a file from the command line using your key? poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] adding gpg signature to evolution messages
Hello, Recently I installed ubuntu 8.10, and am very pleased with the way evolution works. My only problem so far is that I would like to sign my email with my gpg key. What I have done: 1. selected edit -> preferences mail accounts edit security. I then enter the public key into the pgp key edit box, and check the box that says to sign al messages from this account. I click ok and close on the preferences dialog. When I then try to send an email, I get an error saying taht evolution could not add the signature. I have verified the gpg key I entered and it is correct. Is there anything else I need to do? -- TIA, Don Raikes Accessibility Specialist, webmaster http://www.eagles-wing.net ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution-list Digest, Vol 44, Issue 17
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 19:10 -0400, Michael A. Gilchrist wrote: > U... no offense, but just looking at your instructions for > changing > machines makes me think that the design of evolution is a bit insane. > I > really don't feel like what I want to do should be that difficult. I > figured > since evolution is the default calendar for most linux systems, it > wouldn't > be... well such a pain to work with on multiple machines. You seem to be labouring under a misaprehension. Evolution is designed to work with online services. You are asking it to do something different, to sync calendars on different machines *without* using an online calendar service. Can Outlook do that? Or any other well-known calendar application? What makes you think this is "normal"? poc PS Why are you replying to a list digest? This screws up the threading. If you must do it, at least change the Subject line. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Problem viewing calendars on multiple machines
> > U... no offense, but just looking at your instructions for changing > machines makes me think that the design of evolution is a bit insane. I > really don't feel like what I want to do should be that difficult. I figured > since evolution is the default calendar for most linux systems, it wouldn't > be... well such a pain to work with on multiple machines. > The issue really is that Evo is a client program, it was never designed to offer the data that it uses to other programs, it was designed to be a consumer of data from elsewhere. As others have pointed out there *are* programs that will successfully extract data from Evo and synch it with another data source, but they mostly rely on having some external synch server - that can be a 3rd party, or you could run a server locally, but it's not a 30 second job to do. If it is only calendars you want to sync, then I suppose you might get some mileage out of playing with the calendar.ics files. But as poc said, you should definitely make sure that Evo isn't running when you synchronise - and I'm sure the Evo developers would point out that the consequences of playing with the .ics files in Evo's local store is undefined! P. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution-list Digest, Vol 44, Issue 17
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 11:38 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 11:53 -0400, Michael A. Gilchrist wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > > Thanks to all of you for your input. > > > > I still, however, am searching for a simple solution that does not require > > setting up an online service or the computers to be on the same LAN for two > > basic reasons. > > > > First, I want to be able to have access to my calendar even if I'm not online. > > Second, I also have a way of syncing file systems that works very well for me > > and that I'm very comfortable with so I'd rather rely on that than develop a > > new 'skill'. > > > > Is there any place where the environment variables evolution uses are listed > > or, alternatively, a way of setting variables via commandline arguments. This > > would seem to be a very desirable and 'unix-y' ability. > > Evo gets most of its configuration info from Gconf, which stores it in a > bunch of XML files under .gconf/apps/evolution/calendar. You could try > synching these, but be warned that it is probably a bad idea to do this > while Gconf or Evolution are running. I've adapted the following from > http://www.go-evolution.org/FAQ#How_can_I_transfer_all_my_Evolution_data_from_an_old_home_directory_to_a_new_home_directory.3F I foolishly answered the question you asked rather than the one you meant. The actual calendar data is stored here (for local calendars): ~/.evolution/calendar/local/system/calendar.ics Again, I'd recommend synching when Evo is not running. poc U... no offense, but just looking at your instructions for changing machines makes me think that the design of evolution is a bit insane. I really don't feel like what I want to do should be that difficult. I figured since evolution is the default calendar for most linux systems, it wouldn't be... well such a pain to work with on multiple machines. Dang. Mike ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Virtual Memory gone mad
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 14:59 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > Investigating why my computer had suddenly become very s.l.o.w, I > noticed that virtual memory usage had become very large. In particular > the usage by evolution and evolution-data-server look large, amounting > together to only a little less than 2 GBytes. Can anyone explain this? > Following are their entries extracted from "$ ps axuw". > > PID %CPU %MEMVSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND > 2656 1.2 5.2 1668576 53708 ? Sl 12:20 1:26 evolution > 2827 0.0 0.2 313216 2804 ? Sl 12:21 0:00 > /usr/libexec/evolution-data-server-2.24 ... > > For an old-line embedded systems programmer, who used to think in terms > of KBytes, this looks a little excessive. The column you should look at is RSS (Resident Set Size). The rest of the memory is shared libraries. The %MEM column is also illustrative. If Evo was really occupying 2GB and accounts for 5% of memory, you must have 40GB on your machine. Impressive :-) poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Virtual Memory gone mad
Investigating why my computer had suddenly become very s.l.o.w, I noticed that virtual memory usage had become very large. In particular the usage by evolution and evolution-data-server look large, amounting together to only a little less than 2 GBytes. Can anyone explain this? Following are their entries extracted from "$ ps axuw". PID %CPU %MEMVSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND 2656 1.2 5.2 1668576 53708 ? Sl 12:20 1:26 evolution 2827 0.0 0.2 313216 2804 ? Sl 12:21 0:00 /usr/libexec/evolution-data-server-2.24 ... For an old-line embedded systems programmer, who used to think in terms of KBytes, this looks a little excessive. Thanks - jon ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Problem viewing calendars on multiple machines (correction)
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 11:38 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 11:53 -0400, Michael A. Gilchrist wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Thanks to all of you for your input. > > > > I still, however, am searching for a simple solution that does not require > > setting up an online service or the computers to be on the same LAN for two > > basic reasons. > > > > First, I want to be able to have access to my calendar even if I'm not > > online. > > Second, I also have a way of syncing file systems that works very well for > > me > > and that I'm very comfortable with so I'd rather rely on that than develop > > a > > new 'skill'. > > > > Is there any place where the environment variables evolution uses are > > listed > > or, alternatively, a way of setting variables via commandline arguments. > > This > > would seem to be a very desirable and 'unix-y' ability. > > Evo gets most of its configuration info from Gconf, which stores it in a > bunch of XML files under .gconf/apps/evolution/calendar. You could try > synching these, but be warned that it is probably a bad idea to do this > while Gconf or Evolution are running. I've adapted the following from > http://www.go-evolution.org/FAQ#How_can_I_transfer_all_my_Evolution_data_from_an_old_home_directory_to_a_new_home_directory.3F I foolishly answered the question you asked rather than the one you meant. The actual calendar data is stored here (for local calendars): ~/.evolution/calendar/local/system/calendar.ics Again, I'd recommend synching when Evo is not running. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Problem viewing calendars on multiple machines
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 11:53 -0400, Michael A. Gilchrist wrote: > Hi All, > > Thanks to all of you for your input. > > I still, however, am searching for a simple solution that does not require > setting up an online service or the computers to be on the same LAN for two > basic reasons. > > First, I want to be able to have access to my calendar even if I'm not > online. > Second, I also have a way of syncing file systems that works very well for me > and that I'm very comfortable with so I'd rather rely on that than develop a > new 'skill'. > > Is there any place where the environment variables evolution uses are listed > or, alternatively, a way of setting variables via commandline arguments. > This > would seem to be a very desirable and 'unix-y' ability. Evo gets most of its configuration info from Gconf, which stores it in a bunch of XML files under .gconf/apps/evolution/calendar. You could try synching these, but be warned that it is probably a bad idea to do this while Gconf or Evolution are running. I've adapted the following from http://www.go-evolution.org/FAQ#How_can_I_transfer_all_my_Evolution_data_from_an_old_home_directory_to_a_new_home_directory.3F On the source machine: 1) evolution --force-shutdown 2) gconftool-2 --dump /apps/evolution/calendar > my-cal-file.xml Copy my-cal-file.xml to the target machine. On the target machine you should probably log out of Gnome and log in at a console, then: 1) gconftool-2 --load /apps/evolution/calendar < my-cal-file.xml I've no idea if this will work. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Problem viewing calendars on multiple machines
Hi All, Thanks to all of you for your input. I still, however, am searching for a simple solution that does not require setting up an online service or the computers to be on the same LAN for two basic reasons. First, I want to be able to have access to my calendar even if I'm not online. Second, I also have a way of syncing file systems that works very well for me and that I'm very comfortable with so I'd rather rely on that than develop a new 'skill'. Is there any place where the environment variables evolution uses are listed or, alternatively, a way of setting variables via commandline arguments. This would seem to be a very desirable and 'unix-y' ability. Mike Message: 2 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:11:42 +0100 From: Jo-Erlend Schinstad Subject: Re: [Evolution] Problem viewing calendars on multiple machines 2009/3/9 Michael A. Gilchrist : Hi, I am trying to use evolution for its calendar features. ?I don't need anything fancy, but I do need the ability to use the same calendar on multiple machines. ?I keep machines in sync using unison and I am syncing my ~/.evolution folder. Being a newbie and not wanting to use an online service, I set my calendars up as "On this computer". Being a newbie is no shame, but how come you don't want to use an online service? And what exactly do you mean by an online service? If you should be able to sync your computers, then you'd have to connect to some sort of service and it should be online, shouldn't it? Well, basically I want to be able to have access to my calendar even if I'm not online. I also have a way of syncing file systems that works very well for me and that I'm very comfortable with so I'd rather rely on that than develop a new 'skill'. If you mean that you want to run your online services yourself, then I agree; it's really nice to own and control your own data. Setting up shared calendars and contacts is possible using OpenLDAP and Darwin Calendar Server, for instance, but it does require some work. Using SyncEvolution, Genesis and Funambol, however, is really easy. An added benefit from using Funambol, is that you'll automatically be able to sync your mobile phone as well, which is nice. Funambol is the service and Genesis is a GUI for SyncEvolution, which actually performs the sync between evolution and funambol. You can experiment with http://my.funambol.com and then, if you want, download and install it yourself. It's free software. :) I don't know if sharing the .evolution folder is a good idea. Jo-Erlend Schinstad ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] "Backend is busy" messages, all the time
Whenever I run evolution (well, when I run it from a terminal) I see lots of messages like the following:- (evolution:20428): calendar-gui-WARNING **: gnome-cal.c:910: Could not create the query: Backend is busy (evolution:20428): calendar-gui-WARNING **: e-cal-model.c:1658: Unable to get query I've been ignoring these but I've just realised it might explain my inability to get dates in the Calendar in list-view to show in the correct (European DD/MM/) format. So, why am I getting these "Backend is busy" warnings, it doesn't happen just sometimes, it happens every time I go to a Calendar view. The evolution data server is running:- chris$ ps -ef | grep evo chris 7150 1 0 Mar04 ?00:00:00 /usr/lib/evolution/evolution-data-server-2.24 --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_DataServer_CalFactory:1.2 --oaf-ior-fd=18 chris19895 19864 0 14:10 ?00:00:00 /usr/lib/evolution/2.24/evolution-alarm-notify --sm-config-prefix /evolution-alarm-notify-4ZmiNy/ --sm-client-id 11c0a8010400012352417680070160019 --screen 0 chris20078 1 0 14:10 ?00:00:00 /usr/lib/evolution/evolution-data-server-2.24 --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_DataServer_CalFactory:1.2 --oaf-ior-fd=18 chris20428 19949 0 14:33 pts/100:00:01 evolution ... in fact there are two of them, is that the problem maybe? I've just killed the old (Mar04) one and I'm seeing exactly the same errors. -- Chris Green ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Junk handling wishlist
On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 13:12 -0400, Sal Valente wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > Have you read > > > http://www.go-evolution.org/FAQ#Why_does_Evolution_not_automatically_filter_for_spam.3F > ? > > Yes. It says: > > > Note: "Learn", not identify. Messages are learned either by manually > > classifying them, or if a certain threshold is reached (which is more > > extreme than the line between Spam and Ham). > > That's exactly the distinction I'm talking about. The above refers to the *initial* learning phase when you first install the filter. In fact it's best to do that manually, outside of Evo. > Patrick wrote: > > >> 2. It should be easy to make sure that I train my spam filter with > >> every single email that I receive. > > > > If it's being junk-filtered, the filter is being trained. > > A message can be filtered but not trained. Or, to use the terminology > in the FAQ, a message can be identified as spam but not trained as spam. You may be right. I've reviewed the documentation and I find it very unclear on this point, but the online help does contain the following: "When you correct it, the filter can recognize similar messages in the future, and becomes more accurate as time goes on.", which would favor your interpretation. However if this is the case, the point of training is to tell the filter where it went wrong, i.e. it trains when you manually correct its classification. Why would you train it if it got it right? > >> 2a. For the messages outside of my Junk folder, can the user > interface > >> show the status - Not Junk or Unknown? > > > > If it's not in the Junk folder, it's not Junk. Once again from the online help: "Messages that are flagged as junk mail are displayed only in the Junk folder." > When I see an old message in some folder other than the Junk folder, I > know that one of three things has happened. Either: > > 1. bogofilter said the message was 100% ham, and the message was > learned. > 2. bogofilter said the message was 50% ham, and then I clicked "Not > Junk", >and the message was learned. > 3. bogofilter said the message was 50% ham, and the message has not been >learned. 4. Bogofilter has not seen the message. The Junk filter only looks at new (\Unseen) messages, unless you mark them manually for training or do Message->Check For Junk. > I want the user interface to identify "Not Junk" messages (types 1 and > 2) and "Unknown" messages (type 3). Currently Evo only marks Junk messages by putting them (virtually) in the Junk folder. Everything else is either not Junk or not classified, i.e. it has no concept of "Classified but Unknown". What you are asking for is an enhancement, which you should request on http://bugzilla.gnome.org. Note that you can use " " in filters, which might get you part of the way, perhaps assigning a color or label as the filter action. > The interface should discourage > me from clicking "Not Junk" (again) on messages of type 1 and 2, and > it should discourage me from deleting messages of type 3 without first > clicking "Not Junk". This seems like a fairly basic requirement for > spam handling. I've used Thunderbird a little bit, and I've used > Apple Mail a little bit, and I think that they both do it. I think > they color-code the message headers. I assumed that Evolution can do > this too, somehow. Can't it? Not as far as I know, see above. > Also: > > >> 2c. When I do "Check for Junk" (or the check happens automatically) > >> and Evolution moves a message to the Junk folder, can it train the > >> message as Junk while moving it? > > > > That's what it does. Do you have an indication that that isn't > > happening? To repeat: simply running BF doesn't train it. It trains when you correct it. See above. > Yes. First, I run "bogoutil -d .bogofilter/wordlist.db | grep > MSG_COUNT" > and it says: > .MSG_COUNT 430 919 20090309 > > Then, I go to evolution, select a new message, and do "Check for > Junk". Evolution moves the message into my junk folder. Then I run > the bogoutil command again, and it still says "430 919". AFAIK "bogoutil -d .bogofilter/wordlist.db | grep MSG_COUNT" gives you the spam and ham word counts, which is not the whole story, e.g. if your new spam message doesn't contain any new words these counts will not change, *even if* BF is training on the message. You'd need to fabricate a message that looks to BF like ham, but with some unknown word, explicitly mark it as Junk, and repeat the experiment to see what happens. Sorry for the confusion. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Increasing number of maildir bugs in Evolution
On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 14:46 -0600, R. Steven Rainwater wrote: > There has been an increasing number of problems with the Maildir support > in Evolution during late 2008 and early 2009. With the latest release in > Fedora 10, it's almost unusable. > > To summarize the three most annoying bugs with maildir (yes, these and > others have been filed in bugzilla): http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=571206 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573177 > When you move mail into a maildir folder from an mbox folder, it > frequently vanishes because the maildir index isn't updated. > > If you receive new mail in a maildir folder while Evolution is running, > you can't see it even though the folder shows the right count of new > emails for the folder. The mail files are actually present in the > physical maildir directory, so presumably this is another problem with > the maildir index becoming corrupt. I had seen this problem before, too. I then updated to 2.24.5 and it seemed to be gone, but just now it happened again. I had to quit Evolution, remove folders.db and restart to see the new emails. > Assuming you manage to get some mail into a maildir folder and actually > see it, if you decided to delete it, it is only hidden from view. > File->empty trash doesn't expunge the file from the disk. This leads to > wasted disk space over time. The only way actually delete deleted email > that I've found is to go through the maildir folders one at a time and > select folder->expunge on each one. But with hundreds of folders, this > takes a lot of time. I usually expunge individual folders, so this doesn't affect me. > It seems like no one is maintaining maildir support any more. Should > maildir users be looking for alternate email program? I hope not. offlineimap + Evolution is a very useful combination that I depend on nowadays. -- Bye, Patrick Ohly -- patrick.o...@gmx.de http://www.estamos.de/ ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] compose new message from template?
I'm going to have to agree with Brian. Having a Compose New Message from Template would be an awesome addition or maybe the option to add these things manually. I would have to rank this suggestion right up there with the Attachment Reminder plugin - which has saved me from re-sending emails with the attachements I forgot in the previous reply. Jeff -Original Message- From: Brian J. Murrell To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Evolution] compose new message from template? Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:00:39 -0400 On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:39 -0400, Bharath Acharya wrote: > > Use the Templates folder in the local store. Ahhh. Yes. I see. Kinda klunky though, to have to go there and "Edit as New Message" rather than Message->Compose New Message From Template->[list of templates]. It's functional though. Cheers, b. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] compose new message from template?
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:39 -0400, Bharath Acharya wrote: > > Use the Templates folder in the local store. Ahhh. Yes. I see. Kinda klunky though, to have to go there and "Edit as New Message" rather than Message->Compose New Message From Template->[list of templates]. It's functional though. Cheers, b. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] compose new message from template?
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:39 -0400, Bharath Acharya wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 13:14 -0400, Brian J. Murrell wrote: > > I see how I can reply to a message with a template but I can't for the > > life of me figure out how to compose a new message from a saved > > template. > > > > Anyone know? > > Use the Templates folder in the local store. All your Templates would be > stored in there. Its a Drafts based plugin. Selecting a template should > invoke a composer for you and retain the template even on sending the > mail. That's the only difference for mails under the Drafts folder and > the Templates folder. HTH That's good to know, as I'm unaware of *any* documentation on how Templates are supposed to work. Looks like something I can use :-) poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Problem viewing calendars on multiple machines
On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 17:52 +0100, Matej Cepl wrote: > On 2009-03-09, 16:19 GMT, Matthew Barnes wrote: > > I'll talk to our SyncEvolution maintainer and see if he'll > > package Genesis for Fedora 12. > > That's me, although I was thinking about orphaning it -- I cannot > make Funambol work for me without over-the-air charges. I will > take a look at it. You mean you pay for the phone call? I hardly think that's a reason to drop it. Or do you mean something else? poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Junk handling wishlist
On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 13:12 -0400, Sal Valente wrote: > When I see an old message in some folder other than the Junk folder, I > know that one of three things has happened. Either: > > 1. bogofilter said the message was 100% ham, and the message was > learned. > 2. bogofilter said the message was 50% ham, and then I clicked "Not > Junk", >and the message was learned. > 3. bogofilter said the message was 50% ham, and the message has not been >learned. Are you sure that's how it works? How did you discover that? The way I thought it worked was every message that comes in gets classified as ham or spam, and is learned that way in the bogofilter DB. Then, if you take a ham message and click "Junk" the message is removed from the DB as ham and reclassified as spam. Alternatively, if you take a spam message and click "Not Junk", the message is removed from the DB as spam and reclassified as ham. This matches what I've seen in Evo, and the user interface presented. It means there's never any confusing concept of "unlearned" messages. Every message is either one or the other, and if bogofilter gets it wrong you correct it to keep your DB more accurate going forward. It may be that things work differently before you have trained 200 messages, I'm not sure (it's been so many years since I was in that position that I can't remember how it worked :-)) ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Junk handling wishlist
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Have you read > http://www.go-evolution.org/FAQ#Why_does_Evolution_not_automatically_filter_for_spam.3F ? Yes. It says: > Note: "Learn", not identify. Messages are learned either by manually > classifying them, or if a certain threshold is reached (which is more > extreme than the line between Spam and Ham). That's exactly the distinction I'm talking about. Patrick wrote: >> 2. It should be easy to make sure that I train my spam filter with >> every single email that I receive. > > If it's being junk-filtered, the filter is being trained. A message can be filtered but not trained. Or, to use the terminology in the FAQ, a message can be identified as spam but not trained as spam. >> 2a. For the messages outside of my Junk folder, can the user interface >> show the status - Not Junk or Unknown? > > If it's not in the Junk folder, it's not Junk. When I see an old message in some folder other than the Junk folder, I know that one of three things has happened. Either: 1. bogofilter said the message was 100% ham, and the message was learned. 2. bogofilter said the message was 50% ham, and then I clicked "Not Junk", and the message was learned. 3. bogofilter said the message was 50% ham, and the message has not been learned. I want the user interface to identify "Not Junk" messages (types 1 and 2) and "Unknown" messages (type 3). The interface should discourage me from clicking "Not Junk" (again) on messages of type 1 and 2, and it should discourage me from deleting messages of type 3 without first clicking "Not Junk". This seems like a fairly basic requirement for spam handling. I've used Thunderbird a little bit, and I've used Apple Mail a little bit, and I think that they both do it. I think they color-code the message headers. I assumed that Evolution can do this too, somehow. Can't it? Also: >> 2c. When I do "Check for Junk" (or the check happens automatically) >> and Evolution moves a message to the Junk folder, can it train the >> message as Junk while moving it? > > That's what it does. Do you have an indication that that isn't > happening? Yes. First, I run "bogoutil -d .bogofilter/wordlist.db | grep MSG_COUNT" and it says: .MSG_COUNT 430 919 20090309 Then, I go to evolution, select a new message, and do "Check for Junk". Evolution moves the message into my junk folder. Then I run the bogoutil command again, and it still says "430 919". Thanks for any help. Sal ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Problem viewing calendars on multiple machines
On 2009-03-09, 16:19 GMT, Matthew Barnes wrote: > I'll talk to our SyncEvolution maintainer and see if he'll > package Genesis for Fedora 12. That's me, although I was thinking about orphaning it -- I cannot make Funambol work for me without over-the-air charges. I will take a look at it. Matěj ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
