[Evolution] outgoing mail
Issue with mail sending with Evolution (running Ubuntu 9.04). Have tried all listed authentication options, different port settings, yet continue to get the following error: Could not create message. Because Failed to execute gpg: Broken pipe, you may need to select different mail options. Note that I had made no effort to invoke an encryption, and do not see where one specifies use of gpg in the preferences setup. Appreciate any help. Brad ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Evolution 2.26.3 (FC11) how to change line wrap
Hi fellows, I am very upset about the fact that I cannot change the line wrap settings in Evolution while composing the email. I don't like line wraps and want my email client to respect the window size of the compose window. I don't want any hard coded 72 characters line wrap. I don't want to use pre-formated workaround since it makes me scroll the email back and forth to see one line. Isn't it something very basic to have in an email client to do auto line wrap based on the size of your window or am I missing something? What are the options we have if we want to change this behavior? Can I change the line wrap from 72 characters to lets say 100? I really want to know where are these settings being saved. Why no one else finds it annoying? Thank you for your attention. -- shiraz ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Suggestions on HTML mail/ML-reading
[cut] Not a satisfactory solution, having to alter email because the mail reader can't handle it properly? HTML is often used for formatting that isn't possible in plain text (tables, anybody?). Read this please: www.asciiribbon.org -- Kind Regards, Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] outgoing mail
On Wed, 2009-08-26 at 08:58 -0700, Brad Bartilson wrote: Issue with mail sending with Evolution (running Ubuntu 9.04). Have tried all listed authentication options, different port settings, yet continue to get the following error: Could not create message. Because Failed to execute gpg: Broken pipe, you may need to select different mail options. Note that I had made no effort to invoke an encryption, and do not see where one specifies use of gpg in the preferences setup. Appreciate any help. Brad Hi, gpg is usually invoked when you've checked in the composer's menu Security either PGP Sign or PGP Encrypt option. Otherwise it shouldn't be used. Other similar option is in an account preferences, on the tab Security too. You can indicate there that you want to sign by default, for example. Hope that helps, Milan ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Suggestions on HTML mail/ML-reading
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 08:30 +0200, Patryk Benderz wrote: [cut] Not a satisfactory solution, having to alter email because the mail reader can't handle it properly? HTML is often used for formatting that isn't possible in plain text (tables, anybody?). Read this please: www.asciiribbon.org Hi Patryk, thank you for the link. I'm aware of the problems with HTML mail, and do not use it myself for out-going mail. Unfortunately, it is not possible to control the behaviour and habits of those sending email to me, so practicality suggests that proper support for HTML messages is necessary. Which is evidenced by Evo's support for HTML. What I'm asking about here isn't HTML's suitability for email, simply whether I am able to select easily whether I want to view a particular message in HTML or plain text. Specifically, I want to default to plain text and have an easily accessible way to show the few mails which are only generally readable in HTML as HTML. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Suggestions on HTML mail/ML-reading
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 17:01 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: What I'm asking about here isn't HTML's suitability for email, simply whether I am able to select easily whether I want to view a particular message in HTML or plain text. Specifically, I want to default to plain text and have an easily accessible way to show the few mails which are only generally readable in HTML as HTML. Hi, for me, on actual master (2.29.1) and gnome-2-28 branch (2.27.92) I have set Prefer plain, which for messages containing both plain text part and HTML part shows the plain text part, and keeps the HTML part as an attachment, which I can expand and see the content as is written in HTML. For messages which are containing only HTML part, which is kinda their mail application bug, it is showing the HTML part directly, because there is no other option. It's slightly different from the thunderbird way, but is working same well, isn't it? Just my opinion. Bye, Milan ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution 2.26.3 (FC11) how to change line wrap
On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 07:15 -0700, Shiraz Malik wrote: Hi fellows, I am very upset about the fact that I cannot change the line wrap settings in Evolution while composing the email. I don't like line wraps and want my email client to respect the window size of the compose window. I don't want any hard coded 72 characters line wrap. I don't want to use pre-formated workaround since it makes me scroll the email back and forth to see one line. Isn't it something very basic to have in an email client to do auto line wrap based on the size of your window or am I missing something? What are the options we have if we want to change this behavior? Can I change the line wrap from 72 characters to lets say 100? I really want to know where are these settings being saved. Why no one else finds it annoying? Ancient lore says that 72 characters is the maximum line length you can safely assume everyone will support (we're talking old display terminals and teletypes here). This is clearly an out-of-date requirement (it's pre-MIME for one thing) but there it is. Although many MUAs ignore it, Evo tends to be stricter than others with this sort of thing. If you want to have it changed, file a report at http://bugzilla.gnome.org, although it has probably been requested before. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Suggestions on HTML mail/ML-reading
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 13:39 +0200, Milan Crha wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 17:01 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: What I'm asking about here isn't HTML's suitability for email, simply whether I am able to select easily whether I want to view a particular message in HTML or plain text. Specifically, I want to default to plain text and have an easily accessible way to show the few mails which are only generally readable in HTML as HTML. Hi, for me, on actual master (2.29.1) and gnome-2-28 branch (2.27.92) I have set Prefer plain, which for messages containing both plain text part and HTML part shows the plain text part, and keeps the HTML part as an attachment, which I can expand and see the content as is written in HTML. For messages which are containing only HTML part, which is kinda their mail application bug, it is showing the HTML part directly, because there is no other option. It has been this way for at least several versions now, including the current stable release (2.26). I have the same settings as you Milan, so I don't understand what the OP's problem is with this. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Suggestions on HTML mail/ML-reading
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 09:34 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 13:39 +0200, Milan Crha wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 17:01 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: What I'm asking about here isn't HTML's suitability for email, simply whether I am able to select easily whether I want to view a particular message in HTML or plain text. Specifically, I want to default to plain text and have an easily accessible way to show the few mails which are only generally readable in HTML as HTML. Hi, for me, on actual master (2.29.1) and gnome-2-28 branch (2.27.92) I have set Prefer plain, which for messages containing both plain text part and HTML part shows the plain text part, and keeps the HTML part as an attachment, which I can expand and see the content as is written in HTML. For messages which are containing only HTML part, which is kinda their mail application bug, it is showing the HTML part directly, because there is no other option. It has been this way for at least several versions now, including the current stable release (2.26). I have the same settings as you Milan, so I don't understand what the OP's problem is with this. poc My settings are 'Prefer plain' as well, on 2.26. My issue is that some of the mail I'm receiving doesn't respond well, for example HTML-only mail that DOES render okay in plain text gets the HTML shown, while some mail which doesn't make sense in text (for example, release announcements from sony.com for new DVDs/movies) shows in PLAIN rather than HTML, simply because the incoming mails have both. Its not a problem that is solvable by Evolution, simply because there's a lot of different mail clients and users who will send various types of emails. What I'm suggesting is that it be easier to select whether to show a particular mail in HTML/plain text. So, for example, I may prefer plain text, and only see the HTML when I want to (loading up epiphany/firefox just to read an email seems a bit OTT to me though). Or, I may prefer HTML and only want plain text when I have misbehaving HTML which can't be read (white text on white background, for example, since I'm using a dark theme). 'Prefer Plain' addresses the first use-case, but is a bit of a work-around, using an external web browser. Its of no help in the second, that is, if the default is 'Show HTML if present', there is no way to 'show this particular message as plain text'. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Suggestions on HTML mail/ML-reading
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 23:03 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: My settings are 'Prefer plain' as well, on 2.26. My issue is that some of the mail I'm receiving doesn't respond well, for example HTML-only mail that DOES render okay in plain text gets the HTML shown, while some mail which doesn't make sense in text (for example, release announcements from sony.com for new DVDs/movies) shows in PLAIN rather than HTML, simply because the incoming mails have both. I'm quite unsure whether I follow fully. It seems that we understand each other that there are (for us) three types of emails: a) containing only plain text part b) containing only HTML text part c) containing both plain and HTML part in a multipart/alternative part The RFC says that the multipart/alternative contains subparts in an order of the ugliest content to the best content view. Some servers, for example, send calendar invitations with three parts in the multipart/alternative parts, text/plain, text/html and text/calendar (in this order), and the mail reading/showing application can choose the best format it understands and is able to provide to the user. Here comes the prefer-plain plugin, which can influence the behavior (together with itip-formatter plugin, but that's other story). The prefer plain plugin only allows you to choose that uglier part to be shown as default. For the case b) there is no option, thus it shows the HTML part directly. What should it show if not that part? You can see actually, when setting Show only ever plain text part, then you have an empty email, with an html attachment, which cannot be expanded inline (is insensitive), but is openable in a browser or such. I do not like this, same as you, as it's not convenient. ... So, for example, I may prefer plain text, and only see the HTML when I want to (loading up epiphany/firefox just to read an email seems a bit OTT to me though). see below Or, I may prefer HTML and only want plain text when I have misbehaving HTML which can't be read (white text on white background, for example, since I'm using a dark theme). 'Prefer Plain' addresses the first use-case, but is a bit of a work-around, using an external web browser. With the Prefer plain set I'm not forced to open the HTML part in the browser, I can choose View Inline or simply click the button beside the arrow at the bottom of the message, and the part will be expanded inline, in the message. Its of no help in the second, that is, if the default is 'Show HTML if present', there is no way to 'show this particular message as plain text'. I believe the Prefer Plain is what you want, maybe you only missed the possibility of inline showing? Oops, I'm sorry for longer mail. Bye, Milan ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Suggestions on HTML mail/ML-reading
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 17:34 +0200, Milan Crha wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 23:03 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: My settings are 'Prefer plain' as well, on 2.26. My issue is that some of the mail I'm receiving doesn't respond well, for example HTML-only mail that DOES render okay in plain text gets the HTML shown, while some mail which doesn't make sense in text (for example, release announcements from sony.com for new DVDs/movies) shows in PLAIN rather than HTML, simply because the incoming mails have both. I'm quite unsure whether I follow fully. It seems that we understand each other that there are (for us) three types of emails: a) containing only plain text part b) containing only HTML text part c) containing both plain and HTML part in a multipart/alternative part Yes, precisely. (snips off explanation) ... So, for example, I may prefer plain text, and only see the HTML when I want to (loading up epiphany/firefox just to read an email seems a bit OTT to me though). see below Or, I may prefer HTML and only want plain text when I have misbehaving HTML which can't be read (white text on white background, for example, since I'm using a dark theme). 'Prefer Plain' addresses the first use-case, but is a bit of a work-around, using an external web browser. With the Prefer plain set I'm not forced to open the HTML part in the browser, I can choose View Inline or simply click the button beside the arrow at the bottom of the message, and the part will be expanded inline, in the message. Thank you! I was precisely searching for something like 'show inline', can't believe I'd missed it till now. Its of no help in the second, that is, if the default is 'Show HTML if present', there is no way to 'show this particular message as plain text'. I believe the Prefer Plain is what you want, maybe you only missed the possibility of inline showing? Oops, I'm sorry for longer mail. Bye, Milan Still have a (admittedly smaller) issue with the fact that its not possible to have the following situation:- DEfAULT: show HTML if present (meaning both types b and c from above) RUN-TIME: show plain-text for some individual mails (of type c, obviously) which do not render properly WISH-LIST: convert mails of type b to plain text, again on demand from the user (ie. something like 'inline showing' but the reverse) ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] message and page down
Why is it when I page down the subject and other info if you view that pages with the page. Shouldn't evolution leave the headers viewed in place while I page down the body of the message? jay ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] message and page down
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 20:06 -0400, Jay Daniels wrote: Why is it when I page down the subject and other info if you view that pages with the page. It took me three tries to understand that sentence ... I think. Shouldn't evolution leave the headers viewed in place while I page down the body of the message? If you want that, ask for it on http://bugzilla.gnome.org, but as an option. There's no should about it. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] message and page down
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 19:42 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Shouldn't evolution leave the headers viewed in place while I page down the body of the message? If you want that, ask for it on http://bugzilla.gnome.org, but as an option. There's no should about it. Don't bother, it's a waste of valuable screen real estate. There's no reason the user should be forced to stare at mail headers while reading a message. Thunderbird makes that mistake and it looks terrible. Matthew Barnes ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
