Re: [Evolution] Top Post - Bottom Post [ was Re: stability/Jewett ]
ti., 13.10.2009 kl. 08.52 +0100, skrev Alpar Juttner: > I understand that you don't like top posting (neither do I), but is that > indeed _so much of a hassle_ for you that you feel entitled to advise > people rather not to post if they can only do top posting? And/or advise > them to change their cell phone (btw. to an otherwise much worse one) > just because of this top posting issue? > > Regards, > Alpar Legitimate question, I think. The thing is, once you start to loosen up on netiquette and common curtosy, things get ugly very quickly. If you've spent a little time on IRC recently, for example, you'll agree that the number of dyslexics there are striking. In some networks, on some channels, more than 80% have dyslexia these days, it seems. They don't, of course. They just say they do, because if they say that, people nod understandingly and stop complaining about their terrible language. And the lazy kids see that, and think: "hey, who on IRC can prove I _don't_ have dyslexia?". I hope my point is becoming obvious: there is nothing more contagious than a bad habit. If we stop caring about netiquette because people use bad MUAs, then that's an excuse. "My client can't do it" turns into "It's a lot of work in my client", then "I don't know how in my client" and then, "Who cares". And if the users doesn't care, why should the developers? This is not a good situation. The norm is easily contaminated on the internet. I'm sorry you have a bad client, and I'm saddened to hear that your employer forces you to use bad tools in your work. I don't think the rest of the world should help covering up their mistakes, though. Web designers have been doing that for years, with that browser from that company, and what is the result? New webdesigners are educated to write poor quality markup in order to conform to the contaminated norm. Sincerely, Jo-Erlend Schinstad ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Changing Port 25 to Port 587
On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 09:29 -0700, John Maxwell wrote: > I will try these suggestions when I return. Thanks for the help. > > John > At 08:39 AM 10/16/2009, George Reeke wrote: > > >On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 08:12 -0700, John Maxwell wrote: > > > Adam, > > > I have tried all of those variations including mail.XXX.com:587, > > > smtp.XXX.com:587 and restarting the machine between changes, > > > unfortunately they have not worked. Originally mail.XXX.com worked > > > for years before Verizon made the changes Monday. My email server is > > > at my old ISP that we have used for years. A call to them revealed > > > that mail.XXX.com is the proper syntax and if the email client needs > > > port 587 then it resides with the client and the host isp. > > > > > > On the windows side Eudora 7 and outlook express made the conversion > > > fine but if tried thunderbird and it exhibits the same problem. > > > > > > An interesting problem. > > > > > > John > > > > >--irrelevant material cut--- > > > >Maybe port 587 is blocked by the firewall on your client machine. > >George Reeke > > > >___ > >Evolution-list mailing list > >Evolution-list@gnome.org > >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.17/2436 - Release Date: > >10/14/09 18:32:00 > > ___ > Evolution-list mailing list > Evolution-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list John, Verizon outgoing mail server: outgoing.verizon.net m.kojak.s ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Changing Port 25 to Port 587
On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 22:01 -0700, John Maxwell wrote: > Kojak, > > Verizon is my ISP in CA but my email is from my old ISP in CO. > > Regards, > > JohnAt 06:25 PM 10/15/2009, you wrote: > >It depends on what provider you use. it just happened to be > >smtp.live.com for msn, but Verizon might use something else. > >However, typically pop uses mail.xxx.com and smpt, mostly smtp.xxx.com > > > >On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 17:56 -0700, John Maxwell wrote: > > > Kojak T , > > > I'll give that a try tonight. Did you type smtp. in the server name? as > > > the default is mail.xxx.com in my setup. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John Maxwell > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 15:46 -0700, John Maxwell wrote: > > > > > > > >> My ISP (Verizon) changed the rules for sending email. They now require > > > >> using port 587 to send email instead of the default port 25. I > > have made > > > >> the change on my 2 windows machines using Eudora 7 with ease > > but getting > > > >> Evolution to work has been a problem. It still received email but will > > > >> not send. I have changer the SMTP server name to include :587 > > at the end > > > >> but still no luck. I am running Ubuntu 8.1o on the desktop and 8.04 on > > > >> the netbook with the same results. > > > >> > > > >> ___ > > > >> Evolution-list mailing list > > > >> Evolution-list@gnome.org > > > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi John, > > > > > > > > I use port 587 on my Hardy 8.04 for an msn account. (smtp.live.com:587) > > > > But I do also use TLS instead SSL encryption to make it work. You might > > > > want to try that. At first when I tried using SSL it didn't work. > > > > Switching to TLS made it work. > > > > > > > > Good luck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.17/2436 - Release Date: > >10/14/09 18:32:00 > John, If your Email is at another ISP, you can retrieve with pop from anywhere, but some ISP's don't allow Relaying, and therefore sometimes block smtp to another ISP. You will have to use the SMTP server from your active ISP. Or another option is using a google account to send email. This way you can always send through the google smtp servers. or have your emails for your domain hosted by a hosting company as godaddy, domaindiscover Don't know if I'm clear with my explanation. Regards, M.Kojak.S ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Faces - howto....
Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Evolution-Format: text/plain X-Evolution-Account: 1200726943.2820...@ilinux.posix.co.za X-Evolution-Transport: smtp://mark;auth=pl...@mje99.posix.co.za:587/;use_ssl=when-possible X-Evolution-Fcc: mbox:/home/mje/.evolution/mail/local#Sent Organization: Posix Systems X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.3 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:23:59 +0200 Message-Id: <1255713839.1317.278.ca...@ilinux> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Evolution: 0018-0010 I'm trying to set my evolution config so that my 'face' is available on outgoing e-mail - automagically. I've read various "readme's" - but things seem to work differently to what is said. I'm running evolution version... "GNOME evolution 2.26.3". in ~/.evolution, I created my base64 png image - djpeg my-picture.jpg | ppmnorm | pnmscale -width 48 -height 48 | ppmquant 7 | pnmtopng | base64 > ~/.evolution/faces The result is 920 bytes - small enough. One can "Insert --> Face" - but nothing happens. If you don't set up '~/.evolution/faces' - then you're prompted for an image. That works - e-mail by e-mail. If the 'faces' file is created - "Insert --> Face" does no prompting - or anything else. How do I attach a face automatically? Someone said look in Edit-->Preferences-->Mail Preferences--> Headers - but that looks to just be for pictures in my own address book. -- . . ___. .__ Posix Systems - Sth Africa. e.164 VOIP ready /| /| / /__ m...@posix.co.za - Mark J Elkins, Cisco CCIE / |/ |ARK \_/ /__ LKINS Tel: +27 12 807 0590 Cell: +27 82 601 0496 ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Changing Port 25 to Port 587
I will try these suggestions when I return. Thanks for the help. John At 08:39 AM 10/16/2009, George Reeke wrote: On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 08:12 -0700, John Maxwell wrote: > Adam, > I have tried all of those variations including mail.XXX.com:587, > smtp.XXX.com:587 and restarting the machine between changes, > unfortunately they have not worked. Originally mail.XXX.com worked > for years before Verizon made the changes Monday. My email server is > at my old ISP that we have used for years. A call to them revealed > that mail.XXX.com is the proper syntax and if the email client needs > port 587 then it resides with the client and the host isp. > > On the windows side Eudora 7 and outlook express made the conversion > fine but if tried thunderbird and it exhibits the same problem. > > An interesting problem. > > John > --irrelevant material cut--- Maybe port 587 is blocked by the firewall on your client machine. George Reeke ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.17/2436 - Release Date: 10/14/09 18:32:00 ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Changing Port 25 to Port 587
For me, the server is outgoing.verizon.net No mail or smtp in the hostname. -- Art Alexion MIS/Central Office Support Resources for Human Development (sent from my cell phone) - Original Message - From: evolution-list-boun...@gnome.org To: supp...@plecavalier.com ; koja...@gmail.com Cc: evolution-list@gnome.org Sent: Fri Oct 16 01:00:38 2009 Subject: Re: [Evolution] Changing Port 25 to Port 587 Phil & Kojak.t, Using plain, TSL & SSL encryption, messages are received but no mail is sent, the window just sits there. Authentication is checked or not the results are the same. If I change the outgoing server from mail.XXX.com to smtp.mail.XXX.com it attempts to send the mail but has the following error message "Host lookup failed: smtp.mail.XXX.com: Name or service not known" and is the only error message I can get otherwise it sits there regardless of how long I wait (several minutes). Thanks, John At 06:19 PM 10/15/2009, supp...@plecavalier.com wrote: >Quoting "Kojak T" : > >>On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 15:46 -0700, John Maxwell wrote: >>>My ISP (Verizon) changed the rules for sending email. They now require >>>using port 587 to send email instead of the default port 25. I have made >>>the change on my 2 windows machines using Eudora 7 with ease but getting >>>Evolution to work has been a problem. It still received email but will >>>not send. I have changer the SMTP server name to include :587 at the end >>>but still no luck. I am running Ubuntu 8.1o on the desktop and 8.04 on >>>the netbook with the same results. > > >What error are you getting? > >You most likely need to enable SMTP auth. > >Phil > > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.17/2436 - Release Date: >10/14/09 18:32:00 ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Changing Port 25 to Port 587
With Verizon it is also SSL, password is "plain", and make sure Evo is set up for SMTP authentication. -- Art Alexion MIS/Central Office Support Resources for Human Development (sent from my cell phone) - Original Message - From: evolution-list-boun...@gnome.org To: evolution-list@gnome.org Sent: Thu Oct 15 18:46:25 2009 Subject: [Evolution] Changing Port 25 to Port 587 My ISP (Verizon) changed the rules for sending email. They now require using port 587 to send email instead of the default port 25. I have made the change on my 2 windows machines using Eudora 7 with ease but getting Evolution to work has been a problem. It still received email but will not send. I have changer the SMTP server name to include :587 at the end but still no luck. I am running Ubuntu 8.1o on the desktop and 8.04 on the netbook with the same results. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Changing Port 25 to Port 587
On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 08:12 -0700, John Maxwell wrote: > Adam, > I have tried all of those variations including mail.XXX.com:587, > smtp.XXX.com:587 and restarting the machine between changes, > unfortunately they have not worked. Originally mail.XXX.com worked > for years before Verizon made the changes Monday. My email server is > at my old ISP that we have used for years. A call to them revealed > that mail.XXX.com is the proper syntax and if the email client needs > port 587 then it resides with the client and the host isp. > > On the windows side Eudora 7 and outlook express made the conversion > fine but if tried thunderbird and it exhibits the same problem. > > An interesting problem. > > John > --irrelevant material cut--- Maybe port 587 is blocked by the firewall on your client machine. George Reeke ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Changing Port 25 to Port 587
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:12:59 -0700 John Maxwell wrote: > Adam, > I have tried all of those variations including mail.XXX.com:587, > smtp.XXX.com:587 and restarting the machine between changes, > unfortunately they have not worked. Originally mail.XXX.com worked > for years before Verizon made the changes Monday. My email server is > at my old ISP that we have used for years. A call to them revealed > that mail.XXX.com is the proper syntax and if the email client needs > port 587 then it resides with the client and the host isp. Please run Evo from a terminal as follows: env CAMEL_DEBUG=all evolution >& evo.log Then try to send an email; it should fail. Quit Evo, so that the log will not get larger, and now look at the log. The error should be there. Cheers, signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Changing Port 25 to Port 587
Adam, I have tried all of those variations including mail.XXX.com:587, smtp.XXX.com:587 and restarting the machine between changes, unfortunately they have not worked. Originally mail.XXX.com worked for years before Verizon made the changes Monday. My email server is at my old ISP that we have used for years. A call to them revealed that mail.XXX.com is the proper syntax and if the email client needs port 587 then it resides with the client and the host isp. On the windows side Eudora 7 and outlook express made the conversion fine but if tried thunderbird and it exhibits the same problem. An interesting problem. John At 03:38 AM 10/16/2009, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 22:00 -0700, John Maxwell wrote: > Phil & Kojak.t, > Using plain, TSL & SSL encryption, messages are received but no mail > is sent, the window just sits there. Authentication is checked or not > the results are the same. If I change the outgoing server from > mail.XXX.com to smtp.mail.XXX.com it attempts to send the mail but > has the following error message "Host lookup failed: > smtp.mail.XXX.com: Name or service not known" and is the only error > message I can get otherwise it sits there regardless of how long I > wait (several minutes). That makes sense; there probably is no "smtp.mail.XXX.com"; have you tried just "smtp.XXX.com"? Or looking up what the setting should be. The port syntax XXX.YYY.ZZZ:### does work. Our shop runs SMTP on TCP/21212 and specifying smtp.USUSUS.com:21212 works in evolution. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.17/2436 - Release Date: 10/14/09 18:32:00 ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Changing Port 25 to Port 587
Quoting "Adam Tauno Williams" : On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 22:00 -0700, John Maxwell wrote: Phil & Kojak.t, Using plain, TSL & SSL encryption, messages are received but no mail is sent, the window just sits there. Authentication is checked or not the results are the same. If I change the outgoing server from mail.XXX.com to smtp.mail.XXX.com it attempts to send the mail but has the following error message "Host lookup failed: smtp.mail.XXX.com: Name or service not known" and is the only error message I can get otherwise it sits there regardless of how long I wait (several minutes). That makes sense; there probably is no "smtp.mail.XXX.com"; have you tried just "smtp.XXX.com"? Or looking up what the setting should be. The port syntax XXX.YYY.ZZZ:### does work. Our shop runs SMTP on TCP/21212 and specifying smtp.USUSUS.com:21212 works in evolution. Yeah, getting the proper hostname from your ISP would be a real good start. Phil ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Changing Port 25 to Port 587
On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 22:00 -0700, John Maxwell wrote: > Phil & Kojak.t, > Using plain, TSL & SSL encryption, messages are received but no mail > is sent, the window just sits there. Authentication is checked or not > the results are the same. If I change the outgoing server from > mail.XXX.com to smtp.mail.XXX.com it attempts to send the mail but > has the following error message "Host lookup failed: > smtp.mail.XXX.com: Name or service not known" and is the only error > message I can get otherwise it sits there regardless of how long I > wait (several minutes). That makes sense; there probably is no "smtp.mail.XXX.com"; have you tried just "smtp.XXX.com"? Or looking up what the setting should be. The port syntax XXX.YYY.ZZZ:### does work. Our shop runs SMTP on TCP/21212 and specifying smtp.USUSUS.com:21212 works in evolution. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Automatic GPG encryption
Hi, On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 20:58 +0100, Paul Leyland wrote: > How can I configure Evolution so that it *always* encrypts to the GPG > key of the recipients of the mail I send? > > It's easy to see how to set it always to sign with GPG and/or SMIME and > always to encrypt SMIME mail. Yeah, it seems that there is no such option for GPG in Edit->Preferences->Mail accounts-> -> Edit->Security tab There is such option for SMIME only. I wouldn't expect it anywhere else. > Is there a solution, perhaps incorporating some third-party add-on or > some scripting? Alternatively, should this issue be raised as a > request-for-enhancement? There is one already probably, so you can try to find it or enter a new one. Bye, Milan ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
