Re: [Evolution] PST interoperability

2010-05-26 Thread Antonio García Domínguez
Hi all,

> I don't understand. Evolution has had support for this for ages,
> hasn't it? Are there any problems with Evolutions PST-support that I
> don't know of? What would warrant such a sprint?
> 
> In 2.28, at least, you can simply use File > Import and then choose
> "From a single file".

Last time I tried to import a PST file (half a year ago or so), I ran into 
some problems with contacts, especially when they were split across several 
folders. Files attached to contacts would be lost, as well, but that's just 
because Evolution's data model doesn't support them, I guess.

Mind you, it was a friend's PST file: I'd love to break him off from Outlook, 
but he's got this CRM-like workflow that I can't duplicate in Evolution :-/. 
He attaches invoices and all relevant documents to each contact, so his PSTs 
get really big: last time I checked it was like 1.2GB.

Antonio


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Re: [Evolution] PST interoperability

2010-05-26 Thread Patryk Benderz

> I have just read about the newly announced open source tools to work
> with the .PST format from Microsoft (story can be found at
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/24/microsoft_outlook_open_source_tools/
Quote: "The .pst format has been released under Microsoft's Open
Specification Promise...". I just hope it is not going to be similar
story as with microsoft's "open" OOXML document fromat, and their
attempts to get ISO standard...
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Re: [Evolution] PST interoperability

2010-05-26 Thread FC Truter
Hey Pete,

The only reason I find that as such a critical feature is because it is the
last big hurdle to breaking MS Office dependency, since most Office users
already have a large archive of emails stored up in PST files. Also although
you can install Office on Linux using Wine (via PlayonLinux), Outlook
doesn't work.

FC

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Pete Biggs  wrote:

>
> >  This just seems to me like a critical feature that has been missing
> > for so long and one that I personally feel would take Evolution to the
> > next level.
> >
> This isn't meant to be an argumentative question, but: Why is it so
> critical?
>
> P.
>
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Re: [Evolution] PST interoperability

2010-05-26 Thread FC Truter
Hi everyone,

Sorry, didn't realise Evolution had support for this already, this is
fantastic news. The last time I checked - admittedly this was in Ubuntu 9.04
- the only way to impost PST files was through the Windows version of
Thunderbird. This feature should be more widely advertised, since this is
regarded by many as the final hurdle to breaking MS Office dependence for
new users coming from a Windows environment.

Kind regards,
FC Truter

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad <
joerlend.schins...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 25 May 2010 22:12, FC Truter  wrote:
> > Hi Everyone,
> > I have just read about the newly announced open source tools to work with
> > the .PST format from Microsoft (story can be found
> > at
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/24/microsoft_outlook_open_source_tools/
> ).
> > I then rushed over to the Evolution wiki to see if this would be
> > incorporated into the next release, only to find nothing there. Are there
> > any plans to incorporate this into Evolution, and can we propose this for
> a
> > sprint into the next version of Evolution? This just seems to me like a
> > critical feature that has been missing for so long and one that I
> personally
> > feel would take Evolution to the next level.
> > Kind regards,
> > FC Truter
>
> I don't understand. Evolution has had support for this for ages,
> hasn't it? Are there any problems with Evolutions PST-support that I
> don't know of? What would warrant such a sprint?
>
> In 2.28, at least, you can simply use File > Import and then choose
> "From a single file".
>
> Jo-Erlend Schinstad
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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

2010-05-26 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
2010/5/26 Krzysztof Błaszkowski :
>>
>> In summary, you have become butt of your own bad joke.
>
> the bad joke is attitude these competent someones to theirs work.
>
> i guess they spend hours a day on watching porn like these wall street
> brokers between calls to these brokers.
>
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>
> glad you share my point of view.

You're fired. Good luck,

Jo-Erlend Schinstad
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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

2010-05-26 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 17:17 +0200, Krzysztof Błaszkowski wrote:
> > My question to you, then, is how do you expect people to solve your
> > problems if they don't know they exist?
> 
> simple question - simple answer: these "developers" or QA stuff should
> give a try by themselves. where was the QA ?

That attitude just about sums up your ignorance of the free software
development process. Don't you realize that the users *are* the QA?

Please confine your remarks to Evolution. Comments on other aspects of
Gnome are completely off-topic here. Many of us don't even use Gnome.

poc

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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

2010-05-26 Thread Krzysztof Błaszkowski
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 22:10 +0200, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
> Damn gmail interface. :)
> 
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Jo-Erlend Schinstad 
> Date: 2010/5/25
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe
> To: Krzysztof Błaszkowski 
> 
> 
> 2010/5/25 Krzysztof Błaszkowski :
> >
> > I know another joke like this and it goes as follow:
> 
> [snip confusing rant]
> 
> > Was it funny ?
> 
> No, after careful consideration, I've come to the conclusion that
> you're no comedian.

good.

> 
> > I think it is far more than winder dll story because it is regarding
> > qualifications of evolution developers. (some readers must be told this
> > directly)
> 
> Then perhaps you should mail them directly instead of wasting the time
> of hundreds of innocent human beings.
> 
> [snip more rant]
> 
> > that's it. now i think about unsubscribing because it's a waste of time
> > receiving more post.
> 
> Please do. Seriously, I'm begging you. At least stop posting to the list.
> 
> > one more. openSuse doesn't have gtksudo (why ?) i had to use kdesudo
> > otherwise i wouldn't even bother with Gnome. Ksnapshot is also far more
> > convenient.
> > Krdc too, will not mention Kdiff3.
> 
> What the hell does this have to do with Evolution?

with revolution ? - of course nothing but it states how Gnome overall is
immature.

> 
> > i consider also moving back to Kmail (under Gnome of course)
> 
> Is that a threat?

don't be silly.

>  You can use telnet to write your emails for all I care.

and i am a bloody geek who can compute md5 digest in head.


> 
> > Krzysztof Blaszkowski
> 
> And now, Krzystof... Where is the URL to the bug you're complaining so
> loudly about? I searched for it, but I couldn't find it. Where is your
> bug report? 

you will not see me filling bug reports for such stupid things.
once upon i found that filling bugzilla, contacting authors of various
miseries - all these is useless.


> Actually, I couldn't find any bugs related to you at all.
> My question to you, then, is how do you expect people to solve your
> problems if they don't know they exist?

simple question - simple answer: these "developers" or QA stuff should
give a try by themselves. where was the QA ?

> 
> I filed a bug and I probably spent a lot less time doing that, than
> you spent ranting on about gtksudo (which we normally call gksu or
> gksudo). You can find the bug here:
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=619661
> 

ok. thank you very much. if i cared about this i would enter also a bug
about gnome-power-manager's power state flip-flop toggled by ac adapter
plug/unplug event which can run out of sync e.g. after hibernation on
batteries
and evolution contacts list and gnome window manager which sometimes
lives artificial shadows of windows with working close buttons. it may
happen after resize.


> Am I employed by Novell? No. Am I employed by RedHat or Canonical or
> any of the other significant distro companies? No. Then how come I
> took the time to file a bug? Because that's the beauty of free and
> open source software.

fortunately i didn't buy SLED otherwise such bugs would upset me.

i reckon that this is the problem of open source software and then we
users have to deal with semi-solution designed by semi-smart
semi-developers
or we users have a choice of being experts from everything like
bluetooth, usb, cups, evolution, v4l2, scsi, vtl, physical tapes,
hibernating/suspending (for very long time it didn't work), alsa,
gstreamer, rtsp and lots more.

otoh i start thinking that option could be Solaris or even Winder.



>  If you know it's a bug and it's not in the
> tracker, then add it and enable someone with time and competence to
> fix it.
> 
> In summary, you have become butt of your own bad joke.

the bad joke is attitude these competent someones to theirs work.

i guess they spend hours a day on watching porn like these wall street
brokers between calls to these brokers.

> 
> Hope that helps,

glad you share my point of view.


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Re: [Evolution] PST interoperability

2010-05-26 Thread Pete Biggs

>  This just seems to me like a critical feature that has been missing
> for so long and one that I personally feel would take Evolution to the
> next level.
> 
This isn't meant to be an argumentative question, but: Why is it so
critical?

P.


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Re: [Evolution] PST interoperability

2010-05-26 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
On 25 May 2010 22:12, FC Truter  wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> I have just read about the newly announced open source tools to work with
> the .PST format from Microsoft (story can be found
> at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/24/microsoft_outlook_open_source_tools/).
> I then rushed over to the Evolution wiki to see if this would be
> incorporated into the next release, only to find nothing there. Are there
> any plans to incorporate this into Evolution, and can we propose this for a
> sprint into the next version of Evolution? This just seems to me like a
> critical feature that has been missing for so long and one that I personally
> feel would take Evolution to the next level.
> Kind regards,
> FC Truter

I don't understand. Evolution has had support for this for ages,
hasn't it? Are there any problems with Evolutions PST-support that I
don't know of? What would warrant such a sprint?

In 2.28, at least, you can simply use File > Import and then choose
"From a single file".

Jo-Erlend Schinstad
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