[Evolution] forwarding HTML mail as ASCII URL
Hi, Some days ago I've got in my Evo 2.32.3 (please do not ask for updating it, it's not yet possible in FreeBSD) a mail in HTML only; in OpenSource world I would just silently ignore such mail, but as it belongs to business, I can't. I have had to forward this mail to someone else and it got into the composer converted to ASCII text, which is fine. The HTML contained some URL, presented in blue in the message window, not the URL, but the text attached to this URL between the A ... and /A tags. The mail in the ASCII composer missed the URL and had only the text, which of course was not of any use for the next recipient. Is this somehow a bug, or a missing feature? Thanks matthias -- Sent from my FreeBSD netbook Matthias Apitz | - No system with backdoors like Apple/Android E-mail: g...@unixarea.de | - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | - Respect for open standards ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] forwarding HTML mail as ASCII URL
I have had to forward this mail to someone else and it got into the composer converted to ASCII text, which is fine. The HTML contained some URL, presented in blue in the message window, not the URL, but the text attached to this URL between the A ... and /A tags. The mail in the ASCII composer missed the URL and had only the text, which of course was not of any use for the next recipient. Is this somehow a bug, or a missing feature? No, it is probably the correct behaviour. The only logical thing to do when converting HTML to text is to strip out the HTML formatting tags and try to create the ASCII text to look as much like the original *text* as possible - this does not, and probably should not, contain extra bits of text that try to inform the reader of what's missing compared to the original HTML. I know, as a computer literate / HTML aware person you probably are, you consider that information to be important and should be included in some way - but others are not in that category and want the Plain Text version to look like the HTML version. Besides, where do you stop - a URL may be important to you, but others may consider font or heading changes to be important and want markers for those put in. Should images be rendered in ASCII characters, because they are more important to some people. If you want the URL information to be transmitted, then you are going to have to switch to HTML for that email I'm afraid - or possibly hand edit the ASCII version to include the URL. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] forwarding HTML mail as ASCII URL
El día Thursday, November 29, 2012 a las 09:31:56AM +, Pete Biggs escribió: Is this somehow a bug, or a missing feature? No, it is probably the correct behaviour. The only logical thing to do when converting HTML to text is to strip out the HTML formatting tags and try to create the ASCII text to look as much like the original *text* as possible - this does not, and probably should not, contain extra bits of text that try to inform the reader of what's missing compared to the original HTML. ... Maybe it would be an option that Evo does this conversion to ASCII the same way as it does: lynx --dump file.html which puts into the ASCII text some [nn] URL-text and at the bottom of the page there is the original URL as [nn] http://blabla... matthias -- Sent from my FreeBSD netbook Matthias Apitz | - No system with backdoors like Apple/Android E-mail: g...@unixarea.de | - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | - Respect for open standards ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] forwarding HTML mail as ASCII URL
El día Thursday, November 29, 2012 a las 10:01:21AM +, Tom Davies escribió: Hi :) Oh, i thought he just wanted the url address, not to have the address as a clickable link? I thought whoever converted the email to plain text was a bit over zealous and deleted out the bit in the middle of the a... tags /a. Regards from Tom :) No, the text from a href=urltext/a is converted to the ASCII composer, but not the URL. matthias -- Sent from my FreeBSD netbook Matthias Apitz | - No system with backdoors like Apple/Android E-mail: g...@unixarea.de | - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | - Respect for open standards ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Evolution on Ubuntu many problems - Help required
Dear sirs I have a number of issues with Evolution and am unable to get any help resolving them or acknowledgement that there is an issue. I am hoping that by submitting here some one can help. I have raised the issues on the Ubuntu Forum at the following links. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2075709 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2085832 These issues are not on ONE machine, but 5. A mix of home build and off the shelf, 32-bit and 64-bit, fresh build and upgrade, so no common denominator other than they are all on the same release of Ubuntu 12:10 and latest Evolution 3.6.0. Here are the issues: 1. Since Ubuntu upgrade to 12:10 from 12:04 Evolution keeps crashing. I had this issue with 12:04 and fixed it by purging and reinstalling. I followed the same steps, but this time it does not work. 2. I also find an issue with auto-signatures. I have about 5 accounts I manage in my client. One is my Default. I have set different auto-signatures for each account. When I create a message it adds the correct auto-signature, BUT also adds the default signature too. I have disabled the auto-signature in the Default account and it has stopped happening, but I do not now have an auto-signature in the main account, I have to add it manually. 3. In Reply the first character of the eMail Header is put on the end of the previous line. I.e. if the Header of the replied message is: PHP Code: -Original Message- To: 'clivea...@aol.com' clivea...@aol.com Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:06:49 + I get. PHP Code: - Original Message-T o: 'clivea...@aol.com' clivea...@aol.comD ate: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:06:49 + This is an actual cut n paste with the name changed for security reasons. All these are found on all (5) the machines we are running Ubuntu and Evolution on. All latest Evolution and Ubuntu releases. 4. Also it hangs when synchronizing... Not all the time, just when it has a number of folders to synchronise and always after about `5 minutes of use. I have to kill it and reboot, which is not good. 5. In Calendar, when invitations are responded to, it does not recognise them so can not update the record. 6. Also in Calendar the tabs for Chair and required attendee do not work There are quite a few anomalies. I have raised these on the Ubuntu Forum, and had a number of other users complain of the same, but no help in getting a fix. Can anyone help, please? -- Regards Jonathan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution on Ubuntu many problems - Help required
Hi Jonathan, [CC'ing as not subscribed to the list] On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 21:43 +, Jonathan Harrison wrote: These issues are not on ONE machine, but 5. A mix of home build and off the shelf, 32-bit and 64-bit, fresh build and upgrade, so no common denominator other than they are all on the same release of Ubuntu 12:10 and latest Evolution 3.6.0. Here are the issues: 1. Since Ubuntu upgrade to 12:10 from 12:04 Evolution keeps crashing. I had this issue with 12:04 and fixed it by purging and reinstalling. I followed the same steps, but this time it does not work. If your application crashes, please get a backtrace. See http://projects.gnome.org/evolution/bugs.shtml#backtrace or https://live.gnome.org/GettingTraces/Details#Obtaining_a_stack_trace_using_GDB Ubuntu should also have a tool to create such stuff automatically, called Apport. Don't know why it doesn't trigger for you. I have about 5 accounts I manage in my client. One is my Default. I have set different auto-signatures for each account. When I create a message it adds the correct auto-signature, BUT also adds the default signature too. Two signatures? Both with the -- in front of them, or how can I imagine this? Which one is shown by the Signature dropdown in the upper right corner in the email composer? I have disabled the auto-signature in the Default account and it has stopped happening, but I do not now have an auto-signature in the main account, I have to add it manually. http://library.gnome.org/users/evolution/3.6/mail-composer-mail-signatures.html covers how to use and set signatures. 3. In Reply the first character of the eMail Header is put on the end of the previous line. I.e. if the Header of the replied message is: Which reply type do you use by default? See http://library.gnome.org/users/evolution/3.6/mail-composer-reply.html.en#default-settings Does this also happen with other reply types? 4. Also it hangs when synchronizing... Not all the time, just when it has a number of folders to synchronise and always after about `5 minutes of use. I have to kill it and reboot, which is not good. Synchronizing what exactly? 5. In Calendar, when invitations are responded to, it does not recognise them so can not update the record. Which calendar type is this about? A local one, or remote (Google calendar, Ubuntu One, etc)? 6. Also in Calendar the tabs for Chair and required attendee do not work What does do not work mean exactly? What exactly do you do, what happens, what doesn't happen? andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution on Ubuntu many problems - Help required
Jonathan, On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Jonathan Harrison jonathan.harri...@baroni-limited.com wrote: Dear sirs I have a number of issues with Evolution and am unable to get any help resolving them or acknowledgement that there is an issue. I am hoping that by submitting here some one can help. I have raised the issues on the Ubuntu Forum at the following links. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2075709 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2085832 These issues are not on ONE machine, but 5. A mix of home build and off the shelf, 32-bit and 64-bit, fresh build and upgrade, so no common denominator other than they are all on the same release of Ubuntu 12:10 and latest Evolution 3.6.0. Here are the issues: I am a a Ubuntu user too, and recognize some of the problems you're reporting. 1. Since Ubuntu upgrade to 12:10 from 12:04 Evolution keeps crashing. I had this issue with 12:04 and fixed it by purging and reinstalling. I followed the same steps, but this time it does not work. You need to provide some more details here. Since we are using the same Ubuntu and Evo versions, is your problem by any chance similar to one I posted earlier?; https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2012-November/msg00021.html https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=688622 Characteristic of this problem is that a large number of jobs appear in the status bar that never seem to end. Evo is unresponsive, and has to be killed and restarted. Answers on this list and elsewhere was to test Evo 3.6.2. 2. I also find an issue with auto-signatures. Evo 3.6.0 has issues with auto-signatures. See; https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2012-November/msg7.html and note the answer this problem was fixed in Evo 3.6.1; https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=684249 I have not been able to confirm the fix since I have not found a way to install 3.6.1 yet. It seems we have to wait for the Ubuntu repositories to get updated. Note that the last Evo build is 3.6.2. My experience posting questions on this list is that developers are reluctant to take on problems unless you use the last Evo build, which we Ubuntu users generally don't. If someone could post advice how to get the latest build to run (e.g. building from source), that would be very useful! - Per I have about 5 accounts I manage in my client. One is my Default. I have set different auto-signatures for each account. When I create a message it adds the correct auto-signature, BUT also adds the default signature too. I have disabled the auto-signature in the Default account and it has stopped happening, but I do not now have an auto-signature in the main account, I have to add it manually. 3. In Reply the first character of the eMail Header is put on the end of the previous line. I.e. if the Header of the replied message is: PHP Code: -Original Message- To: 'clivea...@aol.com' clivea...@aol.com Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:06:49 + I get. PHP Code: - Original Message-T o: 'clivea...@aol.com' clivea...@aol.comD ate: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:06:49 + This is an actual cut n paste with the name changed for security reasons. All these are found on all (5) the machines we are running Ubuntu and Evolution on. All latest Evolution and Ubuntu releases. 4. Also it hangs when synchronizing... Not all the time, just when it has a number of folders to synchronise and always after about `5 minutes of use. I have to kill it and reboot, which is not good. 5. In Calendar, when invitations are responded to, it does not recognise them so can not update the record. 6. Also in Calendar the tabs for Chair and required attendee do not work There are quite a few anomalies. I have raised these on the Ubuntu Forum, and had a number of other users complain of the same, but no help in getting a fix. Can anyone help, please? -- Regards Jonathan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution on Ubuntu many problems - Help required
On Thu, 2012-11-29 at 20:21 +, Pete Biggs wrote: My experience posting questions on this list is that developers are reluctant to take on problems unless you use the last Evo build, That's a bit unfair. Unfair? This is totally bogus. People *very* frequently come to this list using ***ancient*** packages; nobody, nowhere, supports ancient versions of their stuff. Neither does jumping across multiple major releases and expecting upgrades to be seamless 'fair'. Upgrade from Microsoft Office 2000 to 2010 [no, that isn't seamless at all, some of your documents will be munged]. Life is easier if you keep up; no matter what, if you sit still for multiple years - going forward from where you are is going to have thorns. Not that I don't understand the temptation to sit on a working install. Try jumping straight from PostgreSQL 8.0 to 9.1. Try upgrading your NT4 domain to Active Directory *now*. You can't. The upgrade tools have all been abandoned and no longer work. Many bugs get fixed, especially from .0 to .1 releases, so in general the first thing to do is to run the most recent version to see if your particular bug is fixed. If your problem is fixed in the latest version, then the solution is to use the latest version. This is easiest to do if you use a distribution which packages current stuff and is at least within a proximity of 'mainline'. A very common distribution doesn't do that. I also don't think you need to run the most recent version. It certainly helps to run something close to recent. If you can't run the most recent version, then you should still provide valid backtraces so that the problem can be located and, if it is a new bug, reproduced in the most recent version so it can be fixed. Yep. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution on Ubuntu many problems - Help required
On Thu, 2012-11-29 at 11:45 -0800, Per wrote: 2. I also find an issue with auto-signatures. Evo 3.6.0 has issues with auto-signatures. See; https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2012-November/msg7.html and note the answer this problem was fixed in Evo 3.6.1; https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=684249 I have not been able to confirm the fix since I have not found a way to install 3.6.1 yet. It seems we have to wait for the Ubuntu repositories to get updated. I'm on 3.6.1 and haven't seen an issue with signatures. I just created several, set then as defaults on different accounts, went to compose and saw the correct signature, change it.. nothing doubled up. evolution-3.6.1-1.2.x86_64 openSUSE 12.2 ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution on Ubuntu many problems - Help required
On Thu, 2012-11-29 at 20:21 +, Pete Biggs wrote: My experience posting questions on this list is that developers are reluctant to take on problems unless you use the last Evo build, That's a bit unfair. Many bugs get fixed, especially from .0 to .1 releases, so in general the first thing to do is to run the most recent version to see if your particular bug is fixed. If your problem is fixed in the latest version, then the solution is to use the latest version. If you can't run the most recent version, then you should still provide valid backtraces so that the problem can be located and, if it is a new bug, reproduced in the most recent version so it can be fixed. P. Pete, The real question is are there any bug fix releases related to bugs found in older releases or only in the current releases? If the answer is only related to the current releases then the observation appears to be correct. If not likeable by some. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution on Ubuntu many problems - Help required
The real question is are there any bug fix releases related to bugs found in older releases or only in the current releases? If the answer is only related to the current releases then the observation appears to be correct. If not likeable by some. What do you mean by older releases. I seem to remember that two versions are supported - the current one and the major version behind (i.e. currently 3.4.x and 3.6.x). Bug fixes are not released for old versions (e.g. 2.32.x) - since they are not supported. If a unknown bug is somehow found in an old version, then presumably/hopefully the current code base is examined to see if the bug still exists and it is then fixed. But the fix will not be released for that old version, since it will never be created for that old version - that is, after all, what not supported means. To confuse things further some major distros, such as RHEL, will backport appropriate patches to older versions - so RHEL6 is currently on 2.28.3 and will be for the foreseeable future, but it is considerably different to the 2.28.3 released by Evo a long time ago since it has had so many patches backported to it. In any case, this is not something that is unique to Evolution - the whole of Gnome works in that way. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] [Fwd: Re: local mail spool still unaccessible with evo 3.4.4.-1]
On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 19:07 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: On Wed, 2012-10-31 at 16:14 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: On Wed, 2012-10-31 at 13:45 +, Pete Biggs wrote: OK. I've done some more Googling on your behalf - there was a Debian/Ubuntu packaging bug that might affect you - basically make sure that /usr/lib/evolution/camel-lock-helper-1.2 is SGID mail. Thanks for your help so far. Still not the problem cause: ls -l /usr/lib/evolution/camel-lock-helper-1.2 -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mail 13720 Oct 22 16:00 /usr/lib/evolution/camel-lock-helper-1.2 Hi, I have now created a local mbox account on a newly installed computer, and the same problem exists there. How to go forward from here with debugging? Please, any ideas? Regarding the patch mentioned in bug #640851 it _is_ applied for 3.4.4. Something else is causing problems. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] [Fwd: Re: local mail spool still unaccessible with evo 3.4.4.-1]
On Thu, 2012-11-29 at 23:19 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 19:07 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: On Wed, 2012-10-31 at 16:14 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: On Wed, 2012-10-31 at 13:45 +, Pete Biggs wrote: OK. I've done some more Googling on your behalf - there was a Debian/Ubuntu packaging bug that might affect you - basically make sure that /usr/lib/evolution/camel-lock-helper-1.2 is SGID mail. Thanks for your help so far. Still not the problem cause: ls -l /usr/lib/evolution/camel-lock-helper-1.2 -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mail 13720 Oct 22 16:00 /usr/lib/evolution/camel-lock-helper-1.2 Hi, I have now created a local mbox account on a newly installed computer, and the same problem exists there. How to go forward from here with debugging? Please, any ideas? Regarding the patch mentioned in bug #640851 it _is_ applied for 3.4.4. Something else is causing problems. Have you copied over your user files to this newly installed computer? Did you ever create a new Unix account and try the same thing from that? Have you run Evolution with debugging enabled on this newly installed computer? Does it show any errors or problems? P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] [Fwd: Re: local mail spool still unaccessible with evo 3.4.4.-1]
On Thu, 2012-11-29 at 22:38 +, Pete Biggs wrote: On Thu, 2012-11-29 at 23:19 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 19:07 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: On Wed, 2012-10-31 at 16:14 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: On Wed, 2012-10-31 at 13:45 +, Pete Biggs wrote: OK. I've done some more Googling on your behalf - there was a Debian/Ubuntu packaging bug that might affect you - basically make sure that /usr/lib/evolution/camel-lock-helper-1.2 is SGID mail. Thanks for your help so far. Still not the problem cause: ls -l /usr/lib/evolution/camel-lock-helper-1.2 -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mail 13720 Oct 22 16:00 /usr/lib/evolution/camel-lock-helper-1.2 Hi, I have now created a local mbox account on a newly installed computer, and the same problem exists there. How to go forward from here with debugging? Please, any ideas? Regarding the patch mentioned in bug #640851 it _is_ applied for 3.4.4. Something else is causing problems. Have you copied over your user files to this newly installed computer? Nope! Did you ever create a new Unix account and try the same thing from that? You mean on the old computer or the new one? On the new one, the account is created from scratch. Have you run Evolution with debugging enabled on this newly installed computer? Does it show any errors or problems? Not yet, will try that. BTW: does the user have to be part of the mail group? Thanks! ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] [Fwd: Re: local mail spool still unaccessible with evo 3.4.4.-1]
Have you run Evolution with debugging enabled on this newly installed computer? Does it show any errors or problems? Not yet, will try that. BTW: does the user have to be part of the mail group? From the point of view of Evolution, no the user doesn't have to be a member of the mail group so long as the mail spool file in /var/mail/ is owned by the user. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
