Re: [Evolution] Getting newer Evo than found in distro (was: About performance)

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Tue, 2013-05-14 at 12:40 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-05-14 at 11:33 -0400, Mark Filipak wrote:
> > That's a great tip. Idea! = Is there any way to permanently pipe stdout & 
> > stderr (from all sources) to an open terminal window that's not part of the 
> > offending application's execution thread? If so, I would have that window 
> > automatically open when I boot Linux.
> stderr messages from applications spawned from your current X11 session
> collect in ~/.xsession-errors.
> To follow the output you can do something like:
> 
> tail -f ~/.xsession-errors
> 
> and maybe pipe that through a "grep evolution" command to filter it.
> I think that gets you kinda close to what you're asking.  Maybe a real
> sysadmin on this mailing list has a better idea.

That would be me [I am good for something!]

Yes, ~/.xsession-errors is as close as you are going to get. [or it
should be, see below]... but it isn't terribly reliable; what you want
may or may not end up there.  The formatting of the messages is wildly
inconsistent and there is typically a lot of chatter that goes in there.

At least on my boxes ~/.xsession-errors doesn't log much of anything
with GNOME 3.6 or later.  I logged a GNOME bug at some point complaining
that if gnome-shell dies or has spasms it no longer logs anything;
AFAIK nothing has happened with the bug [I don't recall the #].  Could
be my setup or packages, or maybe this is just in general - I don't
know.



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Re: [Evolution] Getting newer Evo than found in distro (was: About performance)

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Tue, 2013-05-14 at 11:33 -0400, Mark Filipak wrote:
> On 2013/5/14 7:50 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>  > If you run the "evolution" command from the command line [gnome-terminal]
>  > you may see text error messages upon the uninitiated exit, they may be
>  > illuminating as to the reason.   But I did see such behavior *rarely* in
>  > some versions of 3.6.x
>  > This is generally true for UNIX apps; run them from the command line to see
>  > stdout/stderr messags if you feel that something is amiss.
> That's a great tip. Idea! = Is there any way to permanently pipe stdout & 
> stderr (from all sources) to an open terminal window that's not part of the 
> offending application's execution thread? If so, I would have that window 
> automatically open when I boot Linux.

Nope, stdout/stderr is directly associated with the execution of the
application.  Every process has a
standard-in/standard-out/standard-error [although they may choose to
close one or any of them].   Windows has this too, but it is rarely used
for anything useful.

Typically the application launcher can be modified to run-in-terminal
that automates this behavior.

>  >> Evo 3.6.2 is what my Software Manager fetched when I selected to install
>  >> Evolution. How does a linux-person get and, especially, install the latest
>  >> version? (Simply pointing me to a web site is fine.)
>  > Packaging is always a distribution specific issue.   For openSUSE, for
>  > example, there are repositories one can subscribe[via zypper] and update to
>  > for the 'latest' versions of software.   That means someone has to package
>  > it - but for mainstream software like GNOME that is almost certainly being
>  > done by someone.
> 
>  >  So it will depend on what distribution you are using,
> VMware Player 5.0.2
> Host: WinXP3, 32-bit
> Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10
> I think you're telling me that I'd need to subscribe to something associated 
> with Linux Mint. Correct? 

Yes.

> I'll ask at the Mint-user forum. What do I ask for? - 
> Is there some technical name for this needed subscription?

Generally the term is 'repository' [as in repository of packages].
Anything Ubuntu related will have their own customized obfuscated
terminology that nobody else uses.  I think the current vogue term in
Ubuntu land is "PPA".


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Re: [Evolution] how are you?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2013-05-14 at 04:11 -0700, Aaron Konstam wrote:

(Some random URL that I didn't click on and was cross-posted to at least
two lists).

Is someone impersonating you?

poc

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Re: [Evolution] Getting newer Evo than found in distro (was: About performance)

[Matthew Barnes]

On Tue, 2013-05-14 at 11:33 -0400, Mark Filipak wrote:
> That's a great tip. Idea! = Is there any way to permanently pipe stdout & 
> stderr (from all sources) to an open terminal window that's not part of the 
> offending application's execution thread? If so, I would have that window 
> automatically open when I boot Linux.

stderr messages from applications spawned from your current X11 session
collect in ~/.xsession-errors.

To follow the output you can do something like:

tail -f ~/.xsession-errors

and maybe pipe that through a "grep evolution" command to filter it.

I think that gets you kinda close to what you're asking.  Maybe a real
sysadmin on this mailing list has a better idea.

Matthew Barnes

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[Evolution] Getting newer Evo than found in distro (was: About performance)

[Mark Filipak]

On 2013/5/14 7:50 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Mon, 2013-05-13 at 13:54 -0400, Mark Filipak wrote:
>> On 2013/5/13 8:30 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>>> Yes.  3.6.x is a major release back.  3.8.x *does* fix some performance
>>> issues, especially related to flaky connections.  Or it certainly seems
>>> that way to me.
>>
>> I'm new to Linux, Adam, so please excuse my ignorance. In my Linux
>> virtual machine I'm running Evolution version 3.6.2 and I've experienced
>> sudden crashes at start-up & while idle (not doing anything).
>
> If you run the "evolution" command from the command line [gnome-terminal]
> you may see text error messages upon the uninitiated exit, they may be
> illuminating as to the reason.   But I did see such behavior *rarely* in
> some versions of 3.6.x
>
> This is generally true for UNIX apps; run them from the command line to see
> stdout/stderr messags if you feel that something is amiss.

Thanks, Adam,

That's a great tip. Idea! = Is there any way to permanently pipe stdout & 
stderr (from all sources) to an open terminal window that's not part of the 
offending application's execution thread? If so, I would have that window 
automatically open when I boot Linux.


>> Evo 3.6.2 is what my Software Manager fetched when I selected to install
>> Evolution. How does a linux-person get and, especially, install the latest
>> version? (Simply pointing me to a web site is fine.)
>
> Packaging is always a distribution specific issue.   For openSUSE, for
> example, there are repositories one can subscribe[via zypper] and update to
> for the 'latest' versions of software.   That means someone has to package
> it - but for mainstream software like GNOME that is almost certainly being
> done by someone.
>
> 


>
>  So it will depend on what distribution you are using,

VMware Player 5.0.2
Host: WinXP3, 32-bit
Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10

I think you're telling me that I'd need to subscribe to something associated 
with Linux Mint. Correct? I'll ask at the Mint-user forum. What do I ask for? - 
Is there some technical name for this needed subscription?


> and will probably only be available to sit on top of the latest release of
> that distro.

Sorry, I don't know what you mean - 'sit on top'?
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Re: [Evolution] About performance

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Mon, 2013-05-13 at 13:54 -0400, Mark Filipak wrote:
> On 2013/5/13 8:30 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > Yes.  3.6.x is a major release back.  3.8.x *does* fix some performance
> > issues, especially related to flaky connections.  Or it certainly seems
> > that way to me.
> I'm new to Linux, Adam, so please excuse my ignorance. In my Linux virtual 
> machine I'm running Evolution version 3.6.2 and I've experienced sudden 
> crashes 
> at start-up & while idle (not doing anything).

If you run the "evolution" command from the command line
[gnome-terminal] you may see text error messages upon the uninitiated
exit, they may be illuminating as to the reason.   But I did see such
behavior *rarely* in some versions of 3.6.x

This is generally true for UNIX apps; run them from the command line to
see stdout/stderr messags if you feel that something is amiss.

>  Evo 3.6.2 is what my Software 
> Manager fetched when I selected to install Evolution. How does a linux-person 
> get and, especially, install the latest version? (Simply pointing me to a web 
> site is fine.)

Packaging is always a distribution specific issue.   For openSUSE, for
example, there are repositories one can subscribe[via zypper] and update
to for the 'latest' versions of software.   That means someone has to
package it - but for mainstream software like GNOME that is almost
certainly being done by someone.



So it will depend on what distribution you are using, and will probably
only be available to sit on top of the latest release of that distro.


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