Re: [Evolution] Evolution EWS and Squid proxy

[Milan Crha]

On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 09:17 +0100, Patryk Benderz wrote:
> Can I assume this setting will let me reach exchange servers through
> RPC over HTTP?

Hi,
unfortunately not, RPC-over-HTTP is a protocol related to Samba, and
then OpenChange, and then finally evolution-mapi - it's not a proxy
related thing at all.

If I can suggest, if you've new-enough Exchange server (2007+), try to
switch to evolution-ews, which is actively developed, with compare of
evolution-mapi in a maintenance mode only, to have a replacement for
evolution-exchange, thus to be able to connect to Exchange 2003 servers.
Of course, it depends whether your admins also enabled EWS on the
server, but supposing that the latest Outlook may also use EWS protocol,
then they should have it enabled. The 2013 Exchange servers have MAPI
disabled by default, it works only with your-mentioned RPC-over-HTTP
(which might be probably the reason why you ask this).
Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] Mail not deleting

[Milan Crha]

On Sun, 2014-02-16 at 11:24 -0600, Mike Chambers wrote:
> Using version 3.10.4 on Fedora 20, am having an issue with emails not
> being removed from my Trash nor Junk folders.  This has happened for a
> few versions now, and cant' remember the last time it has worked.
> 
> I have both settings enabled to empty trash on exit, as well as
> empty/delete junk on exit, but yet they are still there.
> 
> The only way they are removed is if I delete them manually from Junk,
> and on Trash if I click on File/Empty Trash to remove those.
> 
> Any ideas?

Hi,
if it's an IMAP+ account, then see:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719806
Bye,
Milan


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Re: [Evolution] How to run evolution without gnome-session?

[Milan Crha]

On Sun, 2014-02-16 at 20:06 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> Thank you all, I'll now file a bug to Debian so that gnome-keyring is 
> installed also
> when running evolution stand-alone :-)

Hi,
make the dependency for evolution-data-server, not evolution, because
the running part resides in evolution-data-server.

Just a side not, the 3.12.0 (and I think also 3.10.4) will claim any
errors, instead of getting hung on password prompts when an error
happens on the evolution-data-server (evolution-source-registry process)
side. It was a bug that the client side (evolution process) didn't
receive errors.
Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] ews - dismissing calendar reminder is not asynchronus

[Milan Crha]

On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 16:01 +0400, Emre Erenoglu wrote:

> I'm dismissing a reminder for a calendar meeting. The dismiss action
> takes a few seconds. In outlook, it's instant. I guess this is
> something to do with contacting the server for confirmation before the
> event is dismissed.
>
> Can this be done async? Is the UI will dismiss it, then contact server
> in the background.

Hi,
you are right, I also noticed recently that the UI of an appointment
reminder freezes when I click 'Dismiss' there. I do not know for how
long it takes though, maybe I just begun to notice it, because I setup
some reminders recently.

Feel free to file a bug against evolution, thus it's not forgotten.
Thanks and bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] Semi-OT: How to run evolution without gnome-session?

[Alberto Ruiz]

Guys,

Unless you want to discuss it in the context of Evolution, I'd suggest
you to find a better venue to heat up the systemd debate.

This is not the right place to have a flame war about init systems
and/or session management daemons, not even in the context of GNOME.

So I will politely suggest that you guys move this discussion somewhere
else.

Thanks.


On Sat, 2014-02-15 at 21:28 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> On Sat, 2014-02-15 at 20:16 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > > 
> > > Yes, I can by supporting something that can be better in due time, and
> > > that's OpenRC, why don't you update yourself on that piece of software.
> > > (it does not use cgroups, that's one advantage for example)
> > 
> > According to the various websites, it does use cgroups ...
> 
> Maybe I'm not aware of that, I'm following a developer and he is using
> ptrace, not cgroups.
> 
> > My take on these things is that yes, something like systemd is
> > different, there is a learning curve, but it's there and I'll get used
> > to it eventually - it's like Gnome 3, it was different, I bit the bullet
> > and got on with using it, now I get incredibly frustrated using anything
> > else and I find the Gnome 2 systems I use feel quite "old".
> 
> Well gnome3 has become something I don't want to use any longer,
> unfortunately. Maybe the developers should listen more to the users?
> I've been using the fallback mode but that one seems to be degraded
> too. (never liked the 3D requirements, GUI awkward stuff, why not
> having a silent desktop??)
> 
> > But this is Linux we're talking about.  Nothing is set in stone.  You
> > are right that you should be supporting a system that you think is
> > better, that's what open systems are all about.  It is not for me or
> > anyone else to say "you are wrong", equally, it's not for you to say
> > that I or RedHat or Canonical are wrong.  They are decisions, time will
> > tell which path gets the greatest traction.
> > 
> > And this is way far off topic for the Evolution list!
> 
> Agreed!
> 
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Re: [Evolution] Issues accessing gmail (IMAP+)?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2014-02-15 at 23:43 +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> On Sat, 2014-02-15 at 17:34 -0500, Paul Smith wrote:
> > Overall I really like it, but it seems like there's some issue with
> > accessing gmail accounts (but not my ISP IMAP account).  If I look at my
> > gmail account with my browser I'll see I have a few new emails, but
> > Evolution says I have no new email even if I click Send/Receive.
> That issue seem to be rather a general problem... at least I experience
> it with many IMAP servers.

I'm using Evo 3.10.3 on Fedora 20 with two Gmail accounts, both set to
IMAP+, and don't have this problem. My Receive options are:

Check for new mail in subscribed folders
Use server Quick Resync
Listen for server change notifications

You might also want to experiment with the new mail check interval (same
Preference panel).

poc

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[Evolution] compose new message section is Black-cant see what is typed

[loudamelin1]

I'm typing this on a black background.  How do I change it to white or
grey.
Using evolution on zorin 7 based on ubunto  13.04 
Please help.
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Re: [Evolution] How to Detach Attachments?

[erenoglu]

On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 9:41 PM, Adam Tauno Williams [via Gnome Evolution -
General]  wrote:

> On Tue, 2014-02-11 at 10:29 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
> > On Mon, 2014-02-10 at 18:42 +0400, Emre Erenoglu wrote:
> > > Would there be a way to "detach" attachments, like save first and then
> > > delete.
> > Not that I am aware of, except for the described two steps.
> > >  Optionally, a link can replace the removed attachment or the text
> > > file replacing the attachment can contain the location.
> > What if the location is changed by the user?
>
> +1 I am *very* skeptical of `link` scenarios.  My experience is that
> this falls apart and creates inconsistent behavior rather quickly.
>

Well, I've been using this for years in Windows Outlook and I did not face
any issues. Worst case could be that I archive a mail and as well as the
disk location if a project (or subject) becomes too old, or rarely I may do
a re-shuffling of my files in a project but then I'm aware that I've
changed something. The link at least gives me a piece of info that the
removed attachment notice doesn't give: where it was saved before. Knowing
where it was saved before will then help me find its new location easily
without making another step to search. Searching is anyway always possible.

So by adding a link or a pointer to the saved location inside the text, you
lose nothing, but gain an info which will be useful in 90% of the cases (in
my cases at least).

Anyway this link aspect is not the main subject of the request, it's a
bonus. A detach function is priority to gain some seconds from my life and
less strain on my fingers of saving extra mouse clicks  :)

PS. I don't use Evo for mailing lists or technical mails, I'm pure business
user and I deal with ~150 mails from many different subjects everyday from
many countries. My mailbox (and archives) can fill up very quickly if I
don't do detaching/deleting attachments.

Br,
Emre




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Re: [Evolution] Issues accessing gmail (IMAP+)?

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Mon, 2014-02-17 at 10:43 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Sat, 2014-02-15 at 23:43 +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> > On Sat, 2014-02-15 at 17:34 -0500, Paul Smith wrote:
> > > Overall I really like it, but it seems like there's some issue with
> > > accessing gmail accounts (but not my ISP IMAP account).  If I look at my
> > > gmail account with my browser I'll see I have a few new emails, but
> > > Evolution says I have no new email even if I click Send/Receive.
> > That issue seem to be rather a general problem... at least I experience
> > it with many IMAP servers.
> I'm using Evo 3.10.3 on Fedora 20 with two Gmail accounts, both set to
> IMAP+, and don't have this problem. My Receive options are:
> Check for new mail in subscribed folders
> Use server Quick Resync
> Listen for server change notifications
> You might also want to experiment with the new mail check interval (same
> Preference panel).

I have been told that they rate-limit IMAP and SMTP connections [I have
not authoritative citation for this].  But if it is true and you are
polling too frequently that could explain notification brown-outs.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution EWS and Squid proxy

[Patryk Benderz]

[cut]
> If I can suggest, if you've new-enough Exchange server (2007+), try to
> switch to evolution-ews,
But I already use EWS, and I am behind a proxy. And my outlook 2010 is
using RPC Proxy to connect to Exchange 2010. So it seems to me that in
my case EWS is on RPC channel, right? How about that?
[cut]

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Re: [Evolution] Calendar tooltips

[Milan Crha]

On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 13:40 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
> On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 07:44 +, Neil Romig wrote:
> > Is there a possibility to display the "Location" or "Description"
> appointment fields in the tooltip?
> 
> Displaying the location once upon a time worked...
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=542101

Hi,
and it still does for me, as long as the Location is filled. Tested with
3.11.4 in a Day view, with multi-day and several-hours/minutes
appointments.

Adding the description might be tricky, due to its length. The Tasks
view is adding it there, and cuts after several letters, like 1024,
which makes the tooltip quite large. I'm not going to change this for
now, but maybe one day it'll be changed. You can always fill a bug
report asking for that.
Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] Calendar tooltips

[Milan Crha]

On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 09:29 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> Mind you, one thing I would grouch about that particular feature is that
> it is ALWAYS hours - I have a multi-day event that says in the tooltip:
> "Time: 03/02/14 00:00:00 (1296 hours)" - without getting a calculator
> out, I have no idea how many days 1296 hours is!  How about modifying
> the display to say how many days if it's 24 hours or more?

Hi,
OK, here you are [1], for 3.12.0 (or the development version 3.11.91+).
Bye,
Milan

[1] https://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution/commit/?id=f1189af

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Re: [Evolution] Calendar tooltips

[Pete Biggs]

On Mon, 2014-02-17 at 15:06 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:
> On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 09:29 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > Mind you, one thing I would grouch about that particular feature is that
> > it is ALWAYS hours - I have a multi-day event that says in the tooltip:
> > "Time: 03/02/14 00:00:00 (1296 hours)" - without getting a calculator
> > out, I have no idea how many days 1296 hours is!  How about modifying
> > the display to say how many days if it's 24 hours or more?
> 
>   Hi,
> OK, here you are [1], for 3.12.0 (or the development version 3.11.91+).
>   Bye,
>   Milan
> 
> [1] https://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution/commit/?id=f1189af
> 

:-)  Thank you.

P.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution EWS and Squid proxy

[Milan Crha]

On Mon, 2014-02-17 at 13:56 +0100, Patryk Benderz wrote:
> [cut]
> > If I can suggest, if you've new-enough Exchange server (2007+), try to
> > switch to evolution-ews,
> But I already use EWS, and I am behind a proxy. And my outlook 2010 is
> using RPC Proxy to connect to Exchange 2010. So it seems to me that in
> my case EWS is on RPC channel, right? How about that?
> [cut]

Hi,
nope, EWS stands for "Exchange Web Services", it's a protocol which
deprecates MAPI with its RPC (Remote Procedure Call) API, and uses only
HTTPS calls (Web calls, if you prefer). Those two things are completely
different, in many ways.

RPC-over-HTTP (aka Outlook Anywhere) allows tunneling RPC calls through
HTTP(s) layer.

The evolution-ews works pretty good with Exchange 2010 servers.
Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution 3.10 very much slower than 3.8

[Graham Murray]

On Sat, 2014-02-15 at 18:44 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > 
> > Just for the hell of it, try cleaning the SQL database:
> > 
> > 1) Shut down Evo completely
> > 2) Run:
> > cd ~/.cache/.evolution/mail/
> 
> That should be ~/.cache/evolution/mail/

The vacuum failed saying the database was corrupt. So I deleted it and
when restarting evolution it took a long time to catch up with
everything but is now running at normal speed again. 
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Re: [Evolution] evolution and courier-mta (IMAP): broken messages

[Matthew Barnes]

On Sun, 2014-02-16 at 00:31 +0100, Ángel wrote:
> I have created a test account with a couple of mails from this list, in
> case anyone wants to have a look without setting up the server:
> 
> Server: imap.16bits.net
> Username: evolution-and-cour...@16bits.net
> Password: bugtest

Thanks for that, I'll give your test account a try soon.

Do the mails you've seeded the account with exhibit the problem you
describe?  If not, can you seed the account with a few that do?

Matthew Barnes


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Re: [Evolution] Calendar tooltips

[Neil Romig]

Apologies to everyone, Location does indeed appear if filled in (I am new
to Evolution if that excuses me). At least Pete Biggs had a useful result
from this thread...

Neil.


On 17 February 2014 14:09, Pete Biggs  wrote:

> On Mon, 2014-02-17 at 15:06 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:
> > On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 09:29 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > > Mind you, one thing I would grouch about that particular feature is
> that
> > > it is ALWAYS hours - I have a multi-day event that says in the tooltip:
> > > "Time: 03/02/14 00:00:00 (1296 hours)" - without getting a calculator
> > > out, I have no idea how many days 1296 hours is!  How about modifying
> > > the display to say how many days if it's 24 hours or more?
> >
> >   Hi,
> > OK, here you are [1], for 3.12.0 (or the development version 3.11.91+).
> >   Bye,
> >   Milan
> >
> > [1] https://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution/commit/?id=f1189af
> >
>
> :-)  Thank you.
>
> P.
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Re: [Evolution] How to run evolution without gnome-session?

[Matthew Barnes]

On Sat, 2014-02-15 at 15:48 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> Out of interest it's not something simple like Evo being set to offline
> working? (File -> Work Offline ticked or the network icon in the bottom
> left broken open.)  I know you don't like network manager, but sometimes
> if Evo can't get an answer from NM it assumes no network and goes
> offline - it certainly used to do that, but I thought it had been fixed.

Clarification about NetworkManager:

Evolution used to depend on NetworkManager for network status.  It
doesn't anymore.  Network monitoring is now built directly into GLib,
and that's what Evolution/EDS has been using since (I think) 3.6.

I'm not exactly sure how GLib's network monitoring works.  The docs only
state it's based on the kernel's netlink interface, but I think it works
with or without NetworkManager installed.

GLib also lets us test reachability of specific host names, so we can
more gracefully handle scenarios like a disconnected VPN or switching
WiFi networks.  Evolution 3.12 will take full advantage of this.

Matthew Barnes

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution EWS and Squid proxy

[Patryk Benderz]

[cut]
> nope, EWS stands for "Exchange Web Services", it's a protocol which
> deprecates MAPI with its RPC (Remote Procedure Call) API, and uses only
> HTTPS calls (Web calls, if you prefer). Those two things are completely
> different, in many ways.
> 
> RPC-over-HTTP (aka Outlook Anywhere) allows tunneling RPC calls through
> HTTP(s) layer.
> The evolution-ews works pretty good with Exchange 2010 servers.
Hi Milan,
1) I know from my Exchange admins that we are connecting to Exchange
through EWS.

2) on my windows machine when I go to "Control Panel">Mail>"email
accounts">select "Exchange Server">Change>"More settings">select tab
"Connections">click button "Proxy settings...">in the field with proxy
address i see string 'rpc': "https://rpc.my.domain";. 

Thus, as a result of 1+2 I assumed my setup is EWS through
RPC_over_HTTP, via proxy. Is that possible?

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution EWS and Squid proxy

[Milan Crha]

On Mon, 2014-02-17 at 18:05 +0100, Patryk Benderz wrote:
> 1) I know from my Exchange admins that we are connecting to Exchange
> through EWS.
> 
> 2) on my windows machine when I go to "Control Panel">Mail>"email
> accounts">select "Exchange Server">Change>"More settings">select tab
> "Connections">click button "Proxy settings...">in the field with proxy
> address i see string 'rpc': "https://rpc.my.domain";. 
> 
> Thus, as a result of 1+2 I assumed my setup is EWS through
> RPC_over_HTTP, via proxy. Is that possible?

Hi,
well, my understanding of the thing is that RPC-over-HTTP [1] is for
MAPI protocol, not for EWS, because EWS uses SOAP, not RPC. I would not
be surprised if your Outlook uses MAPI in the background, not EWS [2].
Ask your admins on a connection point/address for EWS, and then try to
create an evolution-ews account in evolution with that address filled.
Do not be bothered with non-functional "Fetch URL", the server can have
disabled autodiscovery.
Bye,
Milan

[1] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa375384%
28v=vs.85%29.aspx

[2] I'm pretty sure that Outlook 2007 uses MAPI protocol exclusively,
while Outlook 2010 may have somewhere an option to switch between EWS
and MAPI, though I do not have available the Outlook 2010 version, to
guide you more precisely. On the other hand, the Outlook 2013 may use as
its primary protocol EWS.

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