Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with next message order
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 18:05 +, Pete Biggs wrote: Next daft newbie-user question... how do I make that the default for *all* folders instead of having to change them one by one? I don't know about that, but you can save a custom view (including sort order) by setting the folder how you want and then doing View - Current View - Save view. Then it's reasonably trivial to set the correct view of a folder when you first visit it (and that will remain until it's changed). Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x0035f13bbc63 in gal_view_clone (view=0x1c00) at gal-view.c:241 241 g_return_val_if_fail (GAL_IS_VIEW (view), NULL); Hm, suppose I'd best file a bug for that. In the morning :) In both of those cases, surely we're better off sorting by Received date not Sent? Should we make it the default? Certainly I think the Received date is the better one to sort by, although YMMV. But I thought the default was no sorting - i.e. the messages are displayed in the order they are stored. In general that's the received order, but not when you start moving messages around. But I may be wrong about that - it's a long time since I used a vanilla install. Yeah, likewise :) -- dwmw2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with next message order
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 18:05 +, Pete Biggs wrote: I don't know about that, but you can save a custom view (including sort order) by setting the folder how you want and then doing View - Current View - Save view. Then it's reasonably trivial to set the correct view of a folder when you first visit it (and that will remain until it's changed). Thanks Pete, this answers a question I hadn't asked yet. However, when I did this my computer exploded. OK, not quite, but I had the same reaction as if it had. This is what happened: 1) I sorted my in box by date (having long ago done things like chosen columns, etc.) by clicking on the Date column header. 2) I clicked View | Current View | Save Custom View. 3) Named it In Default (without the quotes). 4) Clicked the Save button. 5) Then went to click the Label column header so that it went back to how I prefer to have my *in* box sorted. (The point of creating and saving this custom view is to apply it to other mail boxes where I don't label messages.) 6) There was no response. So I clicked on the Date column header to sort by that. The Date column DISAPPEARED COMPLETELY! WTF?! 7) Right-clicked on any column header and selected Add a Column 8) Up popped a box with a number of column names listed, including Date. 9) I dragged the Date button to the position I wanted it between two other columns and dropped it. 10) Nothing appeared. 11) Clicked the Close button on the list of possible column names to add. 12) So I then did what I've done before: right-click on any column header, click on Customise Current View. 13) Click the Fields Shown ... button. 14) Now the Date field/column is no longer even listed as a possible field/column to add any more. With rising panic and great trepidation I closed and opened Evolution. Date column still not there, but I essentially repeated steps 12 and 13 and everything seems to be back to normal, and the Date column (which had also somehow been removed from other, but not all, mail boxes) is back. However, now I'm afraid to save a custom view, even though it's exactly what I have been looking for. Evolution 3.10.4 under Xfce 4.10 on Xubuntu 14.04.2, in case anyone wants to follow up or tell me what I did wrong to cause such weirdness. Thanks. Craig ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with next message order
On Wed, 2015-03-18 at 15:00 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: Hi all. This has bugged me for years but never enough to complain about it (until now, I guess :)). I wonder if it's just me, or just my setup, or what. I'm currently using Evolution 3.12.10 but I've seen this for a number of releases (maybe always?) I order my folders by Received (Ascending) so my newest messages are at the bottom, and I enable threading. So suppose I get 15 new messages and 10 of them are in the same thread. I select the first one in the thread, read it, press ^D to delete it... and at least 50% of the time instead of automatically selecting the next message in the thread according to the ordering shown in my folder, Evo jumps over the next message (or two, or whatever) and selects another one inside the thread. When this happens, it never goes back to the previous messages in the thread; if I keep deleting it will get to the last message in the thread, delete it, then go to the next message after the thread. This is really surprising, especially because often the skipped messages have context needed to understand the selected message. Also, if I back up to the first message that was skipped and delete that one, Evo will jump back down to that same message again, skipping the intermediate ones. It seems like the go to next message on delete algorithm is not using the same ordering as the display threaded messages in a folder algorithm. Does this happen to anyone else? Is it a known issue? Should I file an enhancement request about it? Also, what is the ordering that go to next message on delete actually uses? I might even be willing to choose the same order for my display, if I knew what it was. It's never been completely clear to me what these ordering really mean when combined with threading. I have folders ordered by Received (Descending, i.e. the oldest thread first) and this problem doesn't happen to me. I suspect the problem has to do with wanting the most recent thread (i.e. the thread with the most recent message) at the top but the messages within each thread go from oldest to newest. I'm not saying the behaviour you see isn't a bug, but it may only manifest with this particular configuration. If you feel it is a bug then you should consider reporting it to BZ. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with next message order
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 16:44 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 08:21 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: I have folders ordered by Received (Descending, i.e. the oldest thread first) and this problem doesn't happen to me. I suspect the problem has to do with wanting the most recent thread (i.e. the thread with the most recent message) at the top but the messages within each thread go from oldest to newest. That's why I order my mail Ascending instead of Descending, with the newest mail at the BOTTOM of the folder. Although it's a bit weird at first, this seems the most natural to me; it aligns the inter-thread order with the intra-thread order: both go from oldest at the top to newest at the bottom. I misunderstood you. As I said, I also have oldest first (both threads and messages) yet I don't see the behaviour you describe. However I seem to have a custom sort order which I must have configured a long time ago and forgotten about. I can't find an obvious way to see what it's set to. I don't have a custom sort order, and I also see the saner behaviour you describe, Patrick. If I delete a message, focus moves to the next message below it in the display. Not the next newer message in the mailbix which may be elsewhere in the threaded display. My main issue with the sorting, FWIW, is the fact that we sort on the Date: header and not the time the message was actually *delivered*. So when we get a misdated mail from the future, it sits as the newest message in the mailbox until the world finally catches up with it. Or we get annoyed and delete it. -- dwmw2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with next message order
My main issue with the sorting, FWIW, is the fact that we sort on the Date: header and not the time the message was actually *delivered*. So when we get a misdated mail from the future, it sits as the newest message in the mailbox until the world finally catches up with it. Or we get annoyed and delete it. Add a column called Recieved (which is the date received) and sort on that. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with next message order
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 17:08 +, Pete Biggs wrote: On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 17:05 +, Pete Biggs wrote: My main issue with the sorting, FWIW, is the fact that we sort on the Date: header and not the time the message was actually *delivered*. So when we get a misdated mail from the future, it sits as the newest message in the mailbox until the world finally catches up with it. Or we get annoyed and delete it. Add a column called Recieved (which is the date received) and sort on that. Actually, you don't need to add the column - just right click on the header bar (i.e. the Subject or From header) and got to Sort By and select Received. Next daft newbie-user question... how do I make that the default for *all* folders instead of having to change them one by one? Other than committing a change to Evolution... or come to think of it, shouldn't we do that? There are two cases when 'Sent' is different from 'Received' by more than an irrelevant few seconds: There's the case I mentioned, of spam or otherwise misdated mail. And there's the case where a mail is delayed in transit by greylisting or some other mishap, and then if you are viewing in 'Sent' sort order and looking below the other mails you've already read, you might not see it. That actually happens to me more often than the spam with bad dates in the future, in fact. And probably *actually* happens more often than I know! :) In both of those cases, surely we're better off sorting by Received date not Sent? Should we make it the default? -- dwmw2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with next message order
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 17:08 +, Pete Biggs wrote: On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 17:05 +, Pete Biggs wrote: My main issue with the sorting, FWIW, is the fact that we sort on the Date: header and not the time the message was actually *delivered*. So when we get a misdated mail from the future, it sits as the newest message in the mailbox until the world finally catches up with it. Or we get annoyed and delete it. Add a column called Recieved (which is the date received) and sort on that. Actually, you don't need to add the column - just right click on the header bar (i.e. the Subject or From header) and got to Sort By and select Received. Ooh, thank you. I don't remember that being available last time I looked. -- dwmw2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with next message order
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 16:56 +, David Woodhouse wrote: I don't have a custom sort order, and I also see the saner behaviour you describe, Patrick. If I delete a message, focus moves to the next message below it in the display. Not the next newer message in the mailbix which may be elsewhere in the threaded display. To be clear this doesn't happen to me all the time, but it does happen probably 30-40% of the time when I have a longer thread of unread mail. My suspicion is that when it happens, there's something about the message that causes the thread display order and the next-message order to be out of alignment. It would be interesting to know what the next-message code uses for ordering. I could try pre-emptively saving email threads to an mbox file in case it happens. Or maybe I can undelete the message and reproduce the behavior. I'll see if I can get a better handle on it. I guess for completeness I should say I'm using IMAP mailboxes, although I doubt it makes a difference. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with next message order
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 17:05 +, Pete Biggs wrote: My main issue with the sorting, FWIW, is the fact that we sort on the Date: header and not the time the message was actually *delivered*. So when we get a misdated mail from the future, it sits as the newest message in the mailbox until the world finally catches up with it. Or we get annoyed and delete it. Add a column called Recieved (which is the date received) and sort on that. Actually, you don't need to add the column - just right click on the header bar (i.e. the Subject or From header) and got to Sort By and select Received. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with next message order
Next daft newbie-user question... how do I make that the default for *all* folders instead of having to change them one by one? I don't know about that, but you can save a custom view (including sort order) by setting the folder how you want and then doing View - Current View - Save view. Then it's reasonably trivial to set the correct view of a folder when you first visit it (and that will remain until it's changed). In both of those cases, surely we're better off sorting by Received date not Sent? Should we make it the default? Certainly I think the Received date is the better one to sort by, although YMMV. But I thought the default was no sorting - i.e. the messages are displayed in the order they are stored. In general that's the received order, but not when you start moving messages around. But I may be wrong about that - it's a long time since I used a vanilla install! P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with next message order
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 11:31 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: It's never been completely clear to me what these ordering really mean when combined with threading. I'm not so worried about the order in which different threads are displayed. But within a single thread it seems to me that whatever order is shown in the folder, should be the same order used by Evolution to choose the next message to display when it automatically moves to the next message (when the current message is deleted for example). I have folders ordered by Received (Descending, i.e. the oldest thread first) and this problem doesn't happen to me. I suspect the problem has to do with wanting the most recent thread (i.e. the thread with the most recent message) at the top but the messages within each thread go from oldest to newest. That's why I order my mail Ascending instead of Descending, with the newest mail at the BOTTOM of the folder. Although it's a bit weird at first, this seems the most natural to me; it aligns the inter-thread order with the intra-thread order: both go from oldest at the top to newest at the bottom. Also, I like to read my email starting with the oldest new message and going to the newest new message: if you sort Descending this doesn't work because you read the oldest new message, which is at the end of the new messages, then delete it, and Evo automatically chooses the next message BELOW that in the list, which is the first message you already read. I want it to choose the next NEW message, which means it would need to go UP in the folder. Note this is a separate issue from the threading order. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with next message order
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 17:11 +, David Woodhouse wrote: On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 17:08 +, Pete Biggs wrote: On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 17:05 +, Pete Biggs wrote: My main issue with the sorting, FWIW, is the fact that we sort on the Date: header and not the time the message was actually *delivered*. So when we get a misdated mail from the future, it sits as the newest message in the mailbox until the world finally catches up with it. Or we get annoyed and delete it. Add a column called Recieved (which is the date received) and sort on that. Actually, you don't need to add the column - just right click on the header bar (i.e. the Subject or From header) and got to Sort By and select Received. Ooh, thank you. I don't remember that being available last time I looked. IIRC it's been available for as long as I've used Evo, which is quite a few years now. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with next message order
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 13:20 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: I don't have a custom sort order, and I also see the saner behaviour you describe, Patrick. If I delete a message, focus moves to the next message below it in the display. Not the next newer message in the mailbix which may be elsewhere in the threaded display. To be clear this doesn't happen to me all the time, but it does happen probably 30-40% of the time when I have a longer thread of unread mail. My suspicion is that when it happens, there's something about the message that causes the thread display order and the next-message order to be out of alignment. It would be interesting to know what the next-message code uses for ordering. It may also be affected by the In-Reply-To and References headers. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with next message order
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 18:05 +, Pete Biggs wrote: Next daft newbie-user question... how do I make that the default for *all* folders instead of having to change them one by one? I don't know about that, but you can save a custom view (including sort order) by setting the folder how you want and then doing View - Current View - Save view. Then it's reasonably trivial to set the correct view of a folder when you first visit it (and that will remain until it's changed). I can be certain but I do have a dim recollection of doing this in the distant past, which is probably where my Custom sort order comes from. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Left-click in text field grabs window to move
It seems to happen on many applications that rely on GTK. Thunderbird does it from the tab bar, firefox doesn't do it anymore. It's especially annoying in Eclipse (I have an expanded window, go and click on a toolbar button, if I miss and click the blank part of the menu bar, it picks the window up and un-maximizes it.) I am not sure why firefox doesn't do it, but I imagine the point/click/drag is being subclassed for other purposes. -e On 03/13/15 04:29, Florian Baumann wrote: Hello, so I have a rather strange and slightly annoying problem with the composer window of Evolution. Whenever I left-click in the text field, for example to select some text or just to set the cursor at some specific position, it grabs the window and moving the mouse moves the window, and I'm unable to select anything. If I left-click again, the window is dropped, and moving the mouse selects text. The exact behavior, especially if it selects text or not afterwards, is dependent upon the length of the left-click. What I also noticed, is that I can grab and move the window if I click the menu bar, or the menu icon bar. But there, the window is dropped again, if I let go of the left mouse button. So this seems like the intended behavior. The left-clicking and moving in the text field don't seem right to me. I'm using Xfce 4.12 on Arch Linux on two machines, both show this behavior. Thank you for your attention Florian ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list -- Thanks, E. Recio +-+ | E. Recio | AIM: emrecio | | 833 Chestnut East; Ste 600 | Wrk: 215.503.2131 | | Philadelphia, PA 19107 | Pgr: 877.656.1864 | +-+ Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) -- Unknown source The information contained in this transmission contains privileged and confidential information. It is intended only for the use of the person named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. CAUTION: Intended recipients should NOT use email communication for emergent or urgent health care matters. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Annoyance with next message order
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 08:21 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: I have folders ordered by Received (Descending, i.e. the oldest thread first) and this problem doesn't happen to me. I suspect the problem has to do with wanting the most recent thread (i.e. the thread with the most recent message) at the top but the messages within each thread go from oldest to newest. That's why I order my mail Ascending instead of Descending, with the newest mail at the BOTTOM of the folder. Although it's a bit weird at first, this seems the most natural to me; it aligns the inter-thread order with the intra-thread order: both go from oldest at the top to newest at the bottom. I misunderstood you. As I said, I also have oldest first (both threads and messages) yet I don't see the behaviour you describe. However I seem to have a custom sort order which I must have configured a long time ago and forgotten about. I can't find an obvious way to see what it's set to. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
