Re: [Evolution] Bouncing emails

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 2016-08-07 at 19:40 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Aug 2016 17:26:33 +0100, Calmly wrote:
> > 
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> >   
> > 
> >   
> >   
> >   
> >   
> >   
> > 
> >   
> 
> Rudolf perhaps should backup the original file and edit the file...
> 
> On Sun, 07 Aug 2016 17:54:43 +0100, Calmly wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > or something similar although it seems a bit too easy to me lol
> 
> ...from
> 
> 
> [snip]
>  
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>   
>   
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>   
>   
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>  
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> 
> 
> to
> 
> 
> [snip]
>  
> 
>   
>   
>   
> 
>  
>  
> [snip]
> 

Oops, the latter should read


[snip]
 

  
  
  

 
 
[snip]


:)

IOW instead of




just


                                ^
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Re: [Evolution] Bouncing emails

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 07 Aug 2016 17:26:33 +0100, Calmly wrote:
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Rudolf perhaps should backup the original file and edit the file...

On Sun, 07 Aug 2016 17:54:43 +0100, Calmly wrote:
>
>
>
>or something similar although it seems a bit too easy to me lol

...from


[snip]
 

  
  
  
  
  

 
[snip]


to


[snip]
 

  
  
  

 
 
[snip]


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Re: [Evolution] Bouncing emails

[Rudolf Künzli]

On Sun, 2016-08-07 at 17:26 +0100, Calmly wrote:
> On Sun, 2016-08-07 at 18:14 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > 
> > Oops
> > 
> >  Forwarded Message 
> > From: Ralf Mardorf 
> > To: Rudolf Künzli 
> > Subject: Re: [Evolution] Bouncing emails
> > Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2016 18:12:39 +0200
> > Mailer: Evolution 3.20.4
> > 
> > On Sun, 2016-08-07 at 18:03 +0200, Rudolf Künzli wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > Yes, I found this one. I just would like to move "Redirect" to
> > > the
> > > tool bar but it seems that we can't modify tool bars in Evo...
> > 
> > Regarding a short web research there was a xml file to do this, but
> > I
> > couldn't find it for my install.
> > 
> > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2003-March/msg00240.
> > ht
> > ml
> > 
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> 
> I think the file you need is /usr/share/evolution/ui/evolution-mail-
> reader.ui
> 
> 
> The part that may help you looks to me to be this bit:
> 
> 
>   
> 
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
> 
>   
> 
> Having said that, I haven't played with this file so can't say if it
> will work or not :-)
> 
> Martin
> 

This file handles the actions related to the Menu items.
Very helpful.
What is needed too is the file which displays the Menu Items on the
Tool Bar...

Rudolf
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Re: [Evolution] Bouncing emails

[Ralf Mardorf]

Oops

 Forwarded Message 
From: Ralf Mardorf 
To: Rudolf Künzli 
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Bouncing emails
Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2016 18:12:39 +0200
Mailer: Evolution 3.20.4

On Sun, 2016-08-07 at 18:03 +0200, Rudolf Künzli wrote:
> 
> Yes, I found this one. I just would like to move "Redirect" to the
> tool bar but it seems that we can't modify tool bars in Evo...

Regarding a short web research there was a xml file to do this, but I
couldn't find it for my install.

https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2003-March/msg00240.html

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Re: [Evolution] Bouncing emails

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 2016-08-07 at 17:55 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > I'd love to get the button in the tool bar, but it's not a real
> > > problem.
> 
> Click on the "arrow down" sign right beside the forward button in the
> tool bar.

Sorry, IIUC you are already doing this, instead of using the menu
"Message > Forward as > ..."

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Re: [Evolution] Bouncing emails

[Rudolf Künzli]

On Sun, 2016-08-07 at 17:55 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > I'd love to get the button in the tool bar, but it's not a real
> > > problem.
> 
> Click on the "arrow down" sign right beside the forward button in the
> tool bar.
> 
Yes, I found this one. I just would like to move "Redirect" to the tool
bar but it seems that we can't modify tool bars in Evo...

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Re: [Evolution] Bouncing emails

[Rudolf Künzli]

On Sun, 2016-08-07 at 17:52 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sun, 2016-08-07 at 17:45 +0200, Rudolf Künzli wrote:
> > 
> > As far as I learned with this thread, I can use Forward -> Redirect
> > which does exactly what I need...
> > I'd love to get the button in the tool bar, but it's not a real
> > problem.
> 
> Strange, Evolutions "Redirect" works different for my version of
> Evolution, since it adds myself to the recipients.
> 
> Anyway, if you want let friends know, that you read their mails, but
> you
> don't have interest to reply, then the friends should use "Request
> Read
> Receipt" (Request Return Receipt or what ever it's named by their
> mailers). So you culd confirm that you read the mail, but you don't
> need
> to reply.
> 
> Regards,
> Ralf
> 
It works fine in my version 3.20.4 & Gnome

I don't have only friends... :-(

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Re: [Evolution] Bouncing emails

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 2016-08-07 at 17:45 +0200, Rudolf Künzli wrote:
> As far as I learned with this thread, I can use Forward -> Redirect
> which does exactly what I need...
> I'd love to get the button in the tool bar, but it's not a real
> problem.

Strange, Evolutions "Redirect" works different for my version of
Evolution, since it adds myself to the recipients.

Anyway, if you want let friends know, that you read their mails, but you
don't have interest to reply, then the friends should use "Request Read
Receipt" (Request Return Receipt or what ever it's named by their
mailers). So you culd confirm that you read the mail, but you don't need
to reply.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [Evolution] Bouncing emails

[Rudolf Künzli]

On Sun, 2016-08-07 at 17:41 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Aug 2016 17:16:33 +0200, Rudolf Künzli wrote:
> > 
> > On Sun, 2016-08-07 at 17:11 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > 
> > > that still doesn't explain how it works to get rid of unwanted
> > > messages
> > > by sending back the original mail.
> > > 
> > My experience shows that people stopped sending mails after their
> > mails
> > bounced back several times.
> > I am not speaking about spam messages or such kind but about people
> > I
> > know some how.
> > So for me, this is a reasonable method, but naturally not for every
> > one
> > :-)
> 
> Indeed, if somebody, even a friend should send something that isn't
> worth a reply, then most people simply don't reply ;). Nobody adds a
> friend to spam filters or blacklists and we not necessarily reply
> with
> a comment. However, if for some reason it should be common practise
> to
> send back the original mail to e.g. friends, then it can't be done by
> automation, since we first need to check if we want to reply or not
> and
> additionally it doesn't matter if we send back the original message
> without additional text or a quoted message without additional text.
> So
> the option you want is a button, that has no special formatting
> style,
> but replies to the sender and this can be done by the reply button
> ;).
> Ok, ok, you want to send back the mail without any quoting, but this
> is
> really an option not many users want to have too.
> 
> Claws Mail provides "Actions" a user could define. Since Claws Mail
> is
> not that feature rich, IOW more light weight than Evolution, the
> action
> feature makes sense and that Evolution doesn't provide such a feature
> (perhaps it does and I'm not aware of it) makes sense, too.
> 
> 2 Cents,
> Ralf
> 
As far as I learned with this thread, I can use Forward -> Redirect
which does exactly what I need...
I'd love to get the button in the tool bar, but it's not a real
problem.

Cheers
Rudolf

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Re: [Evolution] Bouncing emails

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 07 Aug 2016 17:16:33 +0200, Rudolf Künzli wrote:
>On Sun, 2016-08-07 at 17:11 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> that still doesn't explain how it works to get rid of unwanted
>> messages
>> by sending back the original mail.
>> 
>My experience shows that people stopped sending mails after their mails
>bounced back several times.
>I am not speaking about spam messages or such kind but about people I
>know some how.
>So for me, this is a reasonable method, but naturally not for every one
>:-)

Indeed, if somebody, even a friend should send something that isn't
worth a reply, then most people simply don't reply ;). Nobody adds a
friend to spam filters or blacklists and we not necessarily reply with
a comment. However, if for some reason it should be common practise to
send back the original mail to e.g. friends, then it can't be done by
automation, since we first need to check if we want to reply or not and
additionally it doesn't matter if we send back the original message
without additional text or a quoted message without additional text. So
the option you want is a button, that has no special formatting style,
but replies to the sender and this can be done by the reply button ;).
Ok, ok, you want to send back the mail without any quoting, but this is
really an option not many users want to have too.

Claws Mail provides "Actions" a user could define. Since Claws Mail is
not that feature rich, IOW more light weight than Evolution, the action
feature makes sense and that Evolution doesn't provide such a feature
(perhaps it does and I'm not aware of it) makes sense, too.

2 Cents,
Ralf

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Re: [Evolution] Bouncing emails

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 2016-08-07 at 17:06 +0200, Rudolf Künzli wrote:
> On Sun, 2016-08-07 at 16:59 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Sun, 2016-08-07 at 16:43 +0200, Rudolf Künzli wrote:
> > > Bouncing a mail, just did send the message back without any
> > > additional text.
> > > I used it the time for getting rid of disliked messages and I
> > > didn't have the envy to respond.
> > 
> > How does it work to get rid of "disliked messages", by sending back
> > the original message?
> > 
> > I would either mark the mail as spam by the MUA or blacklist it on
> > the server side.
> 
> Well, and I wouldn't either mark as spam nor blacklist them on the
> server side...

Hi,

that still doesn't explain how it works to get rid of unwanted messages
by sending back the original mail.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [Evolution] Bouncing emails

[Rudolf Künzli]

On Sun, 2016-08-07 at 14:59 +0200, Paul Menzel wrote:
> Dear Rudolf,
> 
> 
> Am Donnerstag, den 04.08.2016, 21:58 +0200 schrieb Rudolf Künzli:
> > 
> > On Thu, 2016-08-04 at 15:52 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Thu, 2016-08-04 at 21:52 +0200, Rudolf Künzli wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hello,
> > > > Is there a way to bounce messages back to the sender?
> > > > I'd need that from time to time.
> > > 
> > > Not entirely sure what you mean by "bounce", but you can Message
> > > ->Forward As->Redirect.
> > 
> > The message was not clear.
> > I have some people sending me messages I don't like.
> > Naturally I could set up a filter and delete them automatically.
> > But I like to let them know that their messages are not welcome
> > More clear now?
> 
> Sorry for being ignorant, but I still not totally understand your
> question. If you want them to know, that the messages are not
> welcome,
> why is replying to the message with a text, that the messages are not
> welcome, not good enough? What do you mean by bouncing exactly?
> 
> In another reply you mention, that this feature was provided by email
> clients back in the day. Do you remember, what they exactly did with
> the message, and what is different to replying to it?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul

Bouncing a mail, just did send the message back without any additional
text.
I used it the time for getting rid of disliked messages and I didn't
have the envy to respond.

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Re: [Evolution] Bouncing emails

[Paul Menzel]

Dear Rudolf,


Am Donnerstag, den 04.08.2016, 21:58 +0200 schrieb Rudolf Künzli:
> On Thu, 2016-08-04 at 15:52 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, 2016-08-04 at 21:52 +0200, Rudolf Künzli wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hello,
> > > Is there a way to bounce messages back to the sender?
> > > I'd need that from time to time.
> > 
> > Not entirely sure what you mean by "bounce", but you can Message
> > ->Forward As->Redirect.
> 
> The message was not clear.
> I have some people sending me messages I don't like.
> Naturally I could set up a filter and delete them automatically.
> But I like to let them know that their messages are not welcome
> More clear now?

Sorry for being ignorant, but I still not totally understand your
question. If you want them to know, that the messages are not welcome,
why is replying to the message with a text, that the messages are not
welcome, not good enough? What do you mean by bouncing exactly?

In another reply you mention, that this feature was provided by email
clients back in the day. Do you remember, what they exactly did with
the message, and what is different to replying to it?


Thanks,

Paul

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[Evolution] Broken formatting of citation with WebKit composer (was: Bouncing emails)

[Paul Menzel]

Dear Evolution folks,


this message is a good example of a problem, I am having myself.


Am Donnerstag, den 04.08.2016, 23:35 +0200 schrieb Rudolf Künzli:
> On Thu, 2016-08-04 at 22:20 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, 2016-08-04 at 21:58 +0200, Rudolf Künzli wrote:
> > > 
> > > The message was not clear.
> > > I have some people sending me messages I don't like.
> > > Naturally I could set up a filter and delete them automatically.
> > > But I like to let them know that their messages are not welcome
> > > More clear now?
> > 
> > It was already clear enough by your first mail. I don't think that
> > Evolution provides such an idiotic feature. It's possible to do
> > this
> > > 
> > > with Linux, at least by a script, but somebody doing this is not
> better
> > 
> > than any other person who sends spam. Simply blacklist unwanted
> > email
> > > 
> > > addresses by the server's option. Most, if not all email
> > > providers
> allow

Citations are by default not marked as preformatted, causing them to be
formatted really badly with no manual interaction, as you can see with
the line having *better* in it.

Additionally, trying to fix up the citation, or for example, replying
in interleaved style, and hitting return in a text, the quotation level
is increased. Trying to delete the > sign, causes the text to be
deleted and not the > sign.

To my knowledge this problem is present since switching to the WebKit
composer. I am using Evolution 3.20.4 and WebKitGTK+ 2.4.11.

Are the developers already aware of the problem? Are there already bugs
reports submitted or do I have to do it?


Thanks,

Paul

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