Re: [Evolution] EWS support for Office365 Azure MFA?

[PJ Waskiewicz]

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
> On Mon, 2016-12-05 at 13:45 -0700, PJ Waskiewicz wrote:
>> Sorry about that.  MFA = Multi-factor authentication.  You would
>> provide your username and password like normal through EWS, but there
>> would be a second password you'd provide that would come from another
>> application, such as Google Authenticator, or MobilePass, or Duo, etc.
>> This can be an application running on your phone to generate the code,
>> you can have it send push requests to your phone, or the password can
>> come from an old-school token ID generator (like the old RSA tokens
>> used for VPNs, etc.).
>
> OK. I've usually seen it written 2FA. I already have that with my Gmail
> accounts, which I access from Evo using OAuth. If EWS supports OAuth
> then I guess it should work, but Milan might be able to clear this up.

Thanks for the reply.

It looks like EWS on Office365 supports Oauth:
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/dn903761(v=exchg.150).aspx

Now to see if this will actually work...I'll see what Milan comes back
with though.

Thanks again for the replies and info.

Cheers,
-PJ
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Re: [Evolution] Password Not Saving

[mario chiari]

On Mon, 2016-12-05 at 16:59 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Mon, 2016-12-05 at 22:56 +0100, mario chiari wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, 2016-12-05 at 22:43 +0100, mario chiari wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 2016-10-28 at 11:42 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, 2016-10-28 at 11:45 +0200, Rudolf Künzli wro
> > > > > 
> > > > > .
> > > > > Under Gnome if the keyring password is the same
> > > > as the login password it should unlock automatically, otherwise
> > > > you have to unlock it (once) per login session.
> > I understand I should delete
> > file /myuser/.local/share/keyrings/login.keyring
> > and reboot. 
> Why do you "understand" that to be true?  Are you setup to start the
> keyring manager [usually via PAM] upon login?
> 
> I believe Seahorse should allow you to see & manage your keyring.

Seahorse, which I have never used before, helps, thanks. 

It seems I have fixed it (although sending mail is still a kind of slow).

For some reasons, I have been able to check my pw's by Seahorse for a few
minutes, and not any more. Whaw so?

see you tomorrow
bye 
mario
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Re: [Evolution] EWS support for Office365 Azure MFA?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2016-12-05 at 13:45 -0700, PJ Waskiewicz wrote:
> Sorry about that.  MFA = Multi-factor authentication.  You would
> provide your username and password like normal through EWS, but there
> would be a second password you'd provide that would come from another
> application, such as Google Authenticator, or MobilePass, or Duo, etc.
> This can be an application running on your phone to generate the code,
> you can have it send push requests to your phone, or the password can
> come from an old-school token ID generator (like the old RSA tokens
> used for VPNs, etc.).

OK. I've usually seen it written 2FA. I already have that with my Gmail
accounts, which I access from Evo using OAuth. If EWS supports OAuth
then I guess it should work, but Milan might be able to clear this up.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution EWS stpped working after Exchange migration from 2013 to 2016

[Michael Hirmke]

Hi Eduardo,

>Hi,

>I was using evolution-ews without problems, until the server was
>migrated to Exchange 2016.

I don't know where your problem may stem from, but in my environment
evolution ews has no problems connecting to an Exchange 2016 server.
I started using Evolution after migrating to Exchange 2016, though.

[...]

Evolution versions here are 3.20.5 and 3.22.5, but 3.18.x also worked.
Exchange version ist 2016 CU1.

Bye.
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Re: [Evolution] Password Not Saving

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Mon, 2016-12-05 at 22:56 +0100, mario chiari wrote:
> On Mon, 2016-12-05 at 22:43 +0100, mario chiari wrote:
> > On Fri, 2016-10-28 at 11:42 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2016-10-28 at 11:45 +0200, Rudolf Künzli wro
> > > > .
> > > > Under Gnome if the keyring password is the same
> > > as the login password it should unlock automatically, otherwise
> > > you have to unlock it (once) per login session.
> I understand I should delete
> file /myuser/.local/share/keyrings/login.keyring
> and reboot. 

Why do you "understand" that to be true?  Are you setup to start the
keyring manager [usually via PAM] upon login?

I believe Seahorse should allow you to see & manage your keyring.

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Re: [Evolution] Password Not Saving

[mario chiari]

On Mon, 2016-12-05 at 22:43 +0100, mario chiari wrote:
> On Fri, 2016-10-28 at 11:42 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Fri, 2016-10-28 at 11:45 +0200, Rudolf Künzli wrote:
> > > .
> > > Under Gnome if the keyring password is the same
> > as the login password it should unlock automatically, otherwise you
> > have to unlock it (once) per login session.
> > 
Hi

I understand I should delete file /myuser/.local/share/keyrings/login.keyring
and reboot. Is there a way to fix without reboot? I am on Fedora23. 
Thanks

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Re: [Evolution] Password Not Saving

[mario chiari]

On Fri, 2016-10-28 at 11:42 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Fri, 2016-10-28 at 11:45 +0200, Rudolf Künzli wrote:
> > 
> > When I had these kind of problems I checked the keyring with Seahorse.
> > As far as I've seen I had to unlock "Login"... using the root password.
> > If it is locked the password cannot be written into the keyring.
> There should be no need to use the root password. Perhaps you mean the
> user's login password. Under Gnome if the keyring password is the same
> as the login password it should unlock automatically, otherwise you
> have to unlock it (once) per login session.
> 

hi
same issue here (could it be after a gnome-shell crash?)
I am not sure how I do unlock it.
Please explain to me. Thanks
mario
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[Evolution] Evolution EWS stpped working after Exchange migration from 2013 to 2016

[Eduardo Trápani]

Hi,

I was using evolution-ews without problems, until the server was
migrated to Exchange 2016.

Just in case, I did:

$ rm -rf .config/evolution
$ rm -rf .cache/evolution
$ CAMEL_DEBUG="all" LANG=en_US.UTF8 evolution

[I then recreated the ews account, got the OAB URL, then closed and
restarted, because no messages were shown]

Thread 0x7f5070a5a140 >
Get folder info(0x7f5070d411e0:1480971249.21797.3@mapache, '') =
  full_name: Inbox
  flags: 
full_name: Inbox/personal
flags: 
[...]
the whole folder hierarchy in my Exchange account
[...]
  full_name: Trash
  flags: 
< 0x7f5070a5a140 >

(evolution:21945): camel-ews-provider-WARNING **: Unable to fetch the
folder hierarchy: Authentication failed :289


Does anybody know if there is a workaround or something I can try? I
have no control over the server, so I cannot ask them to use IMAP+ or
turn on some sort of compatibility. All I know is that they have
migrated to Exchange 2016.
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Re: [Evolution] EWS support for Office365 Azure MFA?

[PJ Waskiewicz]

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
> On Mon, 2016-12-05 at 13:24 -0700, PJ Waskiewicz wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> My employer is going to be turning on MFA for Office365 in the next
>> few months.  We have a relatively large Linux developer base, with
>> varying use cases for email.  Many of us use evolution with EWS
>> currently, and this will no longer work once MFA is enabled.
>>
>> Are there plans to build in MFA support for evolution-ews?  I've
>> looked around various forums, and have found nothing.  If it's
>> something not in current plans, how does one go about requesting the
>> feature to be looked at?
>
> You might want to explain what MFA is. I for one have no idea.

Hi Patrick,

Sorry about that.  MFA = Multi-factor authentication.  You would
provide your username and password like normal through EWS, but there
would be a second password you'd provide that would come from another
application, such as Google Authenticator, or MobilePass, or Duo, etc.
This can be an application running on your phone to generate the code,
you can have it send push requests to your phone, or the password can
come from an old-school token ID generator (like the old RSA tokens
used for VPNs, etc.).

Office365 has support to extend EWS to include MFA as part of the
login credentials.  Here's a link I found on the server side to
configure it for a user, to help better illustrate what this is:
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Set-up-multi-factor-authentication-for-Office-365-users-8f0454b2-f51a-4d9c-bcde-2c48e41621c6

Basically I'm looking for any help if this extra authentication is
being considered for evolution-ews, or if it can be considered if it
currently isn't.

Any other questions, please let me know!

Cheers,
-PJ
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Re: [Evolution] EWS support for Office365 Azure MFA?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2016-12-05 at 13:24 -0700, PJ Waskiewicz wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> My employer is going to be turning on MFA for Office365 in the next
> few months.  We have a relatively large Linux developer base, with
> varying use cases for email.  Many of us use evolution with EWS
> currently, and this will no longer work once MFA is enabled.
> 
> Are there plans to build in MFA support for evolution-ews?  I've
> looked around various forums, and have found nothing.  If it's
> something not in current plans, how does one go about requesting the
> feature to be looked at?

You might want to explain what MFA is. I for one have no idea.

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Re: [Evolution] Delete key mapping stops working

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2016-12-05 at 19:47 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:
> On Fri, 2016-12-02 at 16:35 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > I've never had this happen, touch wood. However I use KDE/Plasma so I
> > wonder if this has happened to people on other DEs than Gnome.
> 
>   Hi,
> it's a bug in the evolution, desktop environment independent. You
> probably do not receive meeting invitations, or you do not answer to
> them.

True, I don't receive such things since I retired :-)

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[Evolution] EWS support for Office365 Azure MFA?

[PJ Waskiewicz]

Hi folks,

My employer is going to be turning on MFA for Office365 in the next
few months.  We have a relatively large Linux developer base, with
varying use cases for email.  Many of us use evolution with EWS
currently, and this will no longer work once MFA is enabled.

Are there plans to build in MFA support for evolution-ews?  I've
looked around various forums, and have found nothing.  If it's
something not in current plans, how does one go about requesting the
feature to be looked at?

Cheers,
-PJ Waskiewicz
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Re: [Evolution] Delete key mapping stops working

[Milan Crha]

On Fri, 2016-12-02 at 16:35 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> I've never had this happen, touch wood. However I use KDE/Plasma so I
> wonder if this has happened to people on other DEs than Gnome.

Hi,
it's a bug in the evolution, desktop environment independent. You
probably do not receive meeting invitations, or you do not answer to
them.

I filled the below bug report for the record:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775656

Expect a fix in 3.22.3+.
Bye,
Milan
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Re: [Evolution] Unable to save attachment

[Pete Biggs]

> The attachment IS a PDF, but is marked in the message as a DOCX
> document (Word 2013 or greater).  Who/whatever generated the message
> botched it.

I thought the attachment the OP sent was just a picture of what happens
not the actual attachment sent with the message that they were having
problems with.

P.
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Re: [Evolution] configuring evolution for offline use

[Milan Crha]

On Mon, 2016-12-05 at 13:13 +0100, Tomas Vondra wrote:
> FWIW I've just tried the "work offline" and 5 minutes later, it's
> still  syncing messages in some of the folders (on a hotel wifi, but
> not particularly bad one).

Hi,
the File->Work Offline and the confirmation to synchronize the folder
content is there to ensure that no messages will be missed in the
offline folder content. It's not mandatory. Furthermore, once you have
set to copy content for offline operation for the folders, then the
newly recognized messages are downloaded automatically. Thus
the File->Work Offline is rather for the old messages (eventually for
those which failed to download automatically for whatever reason).

You said in one of the previous messages that some folders are large.
Once they will be completely downloaded for offline (or when you opt-
out them from the offline synchronization), then the File->Work Offline
will be lightning fast and most often not needed at all.

> I'm using IMAP (on gmail, to be precise), and what I'd like to
> achieve is automatic sync of both headers and bodies automatically,
> with minimum network bandwidth usage (hotel/airport networks are
> a mess).

This gets partly against each other. You cannot expect minimal download
when you want to download whole message content. Nonetheless, there is
a request to do something similar, for example to not refresh whole
folder content (with check what changed for old messages), but only
download new messages, when on a metered network. It's similar to your
request. Evolution's IMAP doesn't support it yet.

Just a note, if I'm not mistaken, Gmail doesn't support quick resync.
Bye,
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Re: [Evolution] configuring evolution for offline use

[Tomas Vondra]

On 12/05/2016 11:24 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Mon, 2016-12-05 at 05:37 +0100, Tomas Vondra wrote:


On 12/04/2016 11:50 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Sun, 2016-12-04 at 02:37 +0100, Tomas Vondra wrote:


Are those the right choices? Some of the folders are quite large
(mailing list archives with thousands of messages), and evolution seems
to be syncing almost continuously, so maybe some of the options are
unnecessary (or maybe I need to set something else too)?


There's no need for "always check for new mail in this folder" if
you're already checking in all subscribed folders. That's probably why
it's syncing all the time.



OK, thanks for the suggestion - will try.


Be sure to take Evo offline explicitly before disconnecting your
machine.


Hmmm, what's the consequence of not doing this? It's not always
predictable when the machine will be offline - for example when
traveling by train, the network may be inaccessible unpredictably.
Similarly for various wifis provided by airlines.


Nothing bad, just that your local cache won't be updated until you
reconnect. It was more in the nature of a suggestion as I had assumed
you were deliberately disconnecting.



Even if I disconnect intentionally (say, before leaving for a business 
trip), switching to an offline mode is a bit annoying - I'm sure I'll 
forget that half the time.


FWIW I've just tried the "work offline" and 5 minutes later, it's still 
syncing messages in some of the folders (on a hotel wifi, but not 
particularly bad one).


I'd much rather do the sync regularly while connected, so that it either 
proceeds quickly when "work offline" is selected, or that I only miss 
the smallest number of messages when I forget to do this (or lose the 
network unexpectedly).


regards
Tomas
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Re: [Evolution] Questions About Upgrading Evolution

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Sun, 2016-12-04 at 13:17 -0600, Frank M Waterman wrote:
> I am running Ubuntu Desktop 16.04.  I installed Evolution 3.18.5.2
> through Ubuntu's Software Center. I think it is the most marvelous
> personal information management tool I have ever encountered.  

If you are happy with how an application is performing ... why worry
about it?

> is so far behind.  It also has me wondering if I ought to download
> the tarball for Evolution 3.22.1 or 3.22.2 and use Synaptic Package
> Manager to install it since the

NO!  Evolution is top-of-the-stack, to get current with Evolution
requires a current stack; so it is a lot of work.   If Current GNOME is
important to you then perhaps the version of Ubuntu you are using is a
less than optimal choice;  Current GNOME is not a concern for Ubuntu.

But again - if you are happy and getting stuff done - why bother with
it?

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Re: [Evolution] Unable to save attachment

[Adam Tauno Williams]

> The HTML of the message you received says to display the attachment
> as part of the body of the message which is what webkit tries to do.
> But the attachment is a Word Document, and there is no mechanism
> within Evolution to display Word Documents in-line so it puts in the
> "Missing Plug-in" icon.

The attachment IS a PDF, but is marked in the message as a DOCX
document (Word 2013 or greater).  Who/whatever generated the message
botched it.

This is relatively common - people print-to-pdf an M$-Office document
but keep the file extension and then send it - and the type is
determined [erroneously] from the file extension rather than the
metadata or magic number.  I also suspect some people get clever with
Macros - and they are not developers - and they whip up something that
generates this mess automatically [so good luck convincing them it is
their fault].

Shrug.  I see this regularly.  If users don't know what you are doing
or understand file-types they are pretty much just screwed - but it is
an complete flub on the **SENDERS** behalf.  This is always a fun one
for the help desk guys - as far as the user is concerned it is always
the applications fault. :(

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Re: [Evolution] Crashing and instability

[Milan Crha]

On Mon, 2016-12-05 at 10:28 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2016-12-05 at 17:16 +0800, John Edward Serink wrote:
> > Dec 05 17:11:08 [kernel] [30518.904343] traps: evolution[7757]
> > general
> > protection ip:7f27e34bec30 sp:7ffdb32c45d0 error:0 in libgobject-
> > 2.0.so.0.4800.2[7f27e348b000+51000]
> 
> I think you said earlier that you were recovering from a disk crash.
> Given that no-one else has complained about 3.22 being unstable, I
> suggest you look at your installation first.

Hi,
it would be also nice to have a backtrace of the crash (with installed
debug info packages for the evolution-data-server, evolution and glib),
thus it will be possible to investigate where, eventually why (having
some precise steps and possibly also data), the crash happened. The one
line from the system log only shows that the crash in the evolution
application happened inside the glib library. It doesn't necessarily
mean that the crash happened due to glib library.
Bye,
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Re: [Evolution] Crashing and instability

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2016-12-05 at 17:16 +0800, John Edward Serink wrote:
> Hi All:
> 
> Ok, some very strange behavior today while "attempting" to answer and email.
> I proceeded down in the email text to try and answer point by point
> 1. First instance that email window in evolution just frozeevolution
> didn't just that window,
> 2. Saved it as a draft and closed,
> 3.Opened the draft up, it was emptysigh...
> 4. Second time, I was answering the same emial, the everything below where I
> was typing disappearedBLANKfollowed by this form systlog:
> Dec 05 17:11:08 [kernel] [30518.904343] traps: evolution[7757] general
> protection ip:7f27e34bec30 sp:7ffdb32c45d0 error:0 in libgobject-
> 2.0.so.0.4800.2[7f27e348b000+51000]
> 
> 
> Ok, I'm going to walk it back to 3.20.5, 3.22.2 is very unstable.

I think you said earlier that you were recovering from a disk crash.
Given that no-one else has complained about 3.22 being unstable, I
suggest you look at your installation first.

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Re: [Evolution] configuring evolution for offline use

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2016-12-05 at 05:37 +0100, Tomas Vondra wrote:
> 
> On 12/04/2016 11:50 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Sun, 2016-12-04 at 02:37 +0100, Tomas Vondra wrote:
> > > 
> > > Are those the right choices? Some of the folders are quite large
> > > (mailing list archives with thousands of messages), and evolution seems
> > > to be syncing almost continuously, so maybe some of the options are
> > > unnecessary (or maybe I need to set something else too)?
> > 
> > There's no need for "always check for new mail in this folder" if
> > you're already checking in all subscribed folders. That's probably why
> > it's syncing all the time.
> > 
> 
> OK, thanks for the suggestion - will try.
> 
> > Be sure to take Evo offline explicitly before disconnecting your
> > machine.
> 
> Hmmm, what's the consequence of not doing this? It's not always 
> predictable when the machine will be offline - for example when 
> traveling by train, the network may be inaccessible unpredictably. 
> Similarly for various wifis provided by airlines.

Nothing bad, just that your local cache won't be updated until you
reconnect. It was more in the nature of a suggestion as I had assumed
you were deliberately disconnecting.

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Re: [Evolution] Unable to save attachment

[Pete Biggs]

On Sun, 2016-12-04 at 22:26 -0800, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> I have just received a message with an attachment that can't be saved
> or sent to a helper process.  It appears in the list of messages as
> having an attachment, but there seems to be no way to get at this
> attachment.
> 
> Appended is an extract from the start, which may be enough for
> someone to figure out what's going on. Attached is Trouble.pdf, which
> shows what appears when the message is displayed.

(Sending PDFs is not always welcome - PDFs can contain viruses so many
systems reject them. It's an image - just send a small image, or better
just say what it looks like.)

The HTML of the message you received says to display the attachment as
part of the body of the message which is what webkit tries to do. But
the attachment is a Word Document, and there is no mechanism within
Evolution to display Word Documents in-line so it puts in the "Missing
Plug-in" icon.

Once an attachment is identified as being part of the message, it is no
longer available as an attachment.  Many of the images in HTML messages
are actually attachments - I remember when Evo used to display them as
attachments even if they are rendered in the main message body, it was
annoying! It's just one of the many issues around HTML messages (BTW,
please don't send HTML encoded messages to the mailing list).

If you don't think this is correct behaviour, then file a bug for it.

> 
> Can anyone tell me how to save or process the attachment?
> 

Does right clicking on the "Missing Plug-in" icon allow you to save it?
(I don't know if it does, but it's worth trying)

You could also try telling the sender to stop being stupid and
embedding Microsoft Word documents in an email from an Apple Mac. Just
get them to send it as an attachment - or better yet a plain text
email. (Please, take a smiley as assumed - the last bit was meant to be
a bit tongue-in-cheek.)

P.

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Re: [Evolution] Contact address does not accept 2nd address line

[Rudolf Künzli]

On Sun, 2016-12-04 at 10:16 +0100, Rudolf Künzli wrote:
> On Sat, 2016-12-03 at 14:24 +0100, Rudolf Künzli wrote:
> > Evolution 3.22.2
> 
> I did enter a new contact with 2 address lines when I discovered that
> the second address line wasn't saved.
> I tried to modify it but with the same result...
> I think this is necessary where there are a few buildings with the
> same
> address but with the addition "Building A", "Building B" and so on.
> Bug?
> 
> I have to add I am working with Google contacts.
> 
> I did some further tests with the following conclusion:
> - It does work correctly with local contacts
> - If I add a second address line in Google contacts (server) directly
> it works correctly and it will show up correctly in Evolution
> contacts.
> 
> For the moment I'll add further address lines in Google contacts
> until
> this problem is fixed.

Bug filed in at Bugzilla - 775618
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[Evolution] Crashing and instability

[John Edward Serink]

Hi All:

Ok, some very strange behavior today while "attempting" to answer and email.
I proceeded down in the email text to try and answer point by point
1. First instance that email window in evolution just frozeevolution
didn't just that window,
2. Saved it as a draft and closed,
3.Opened the draft up, it was emptysigh...
4. Second time, I was answering the same emial, the everything below where I
was typing disappearedBLANKfollowed by this form systlog:
Dec 05 17:11:08 [kernel] [30518.904343] traps: evolution[7757] general
protection ip:7f27e34bec30 sp:7ffdb32c45d0 error:0 in libgobject-
2.0.so.0.4800.2[7f27e348b000+51000]


Ok, I'm going to walk it back to 3.20.5, 3.22.2 is very unstable.

Cheers,
John



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Re: [Evolution] Contact address does not accept 2nd address line

[Berend De Schouwer]

On Sat, 2016-12-03 at 14:24 +0100, Rudolf Künzli wrote:
> Evolution 3.22.2
> I did enter a new contact with 2 address lines when I
> discovered that
> the second address line wasn't saved.
> I tried to modify
> it but with the same result...
> I think this is necessary where there
> are a few buildings with the same
> address but with the addition "Building A", "Building B" and so on.

I can duplicate this in a GOA Google address book.

I cannot duplicate this on the "personal" local address book.

I cannot duplicate this on a owncloud address book.


If I then edit the address book in a browser on contacts.google.com to
have multiple lines, Evolution shows all the lines, but editing the
lines saves back only the first line.


I think that yes, this is a bug.
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