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On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 17:33 -0500, Tim McConnell via evolution-list
wrote:
> On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 23:10 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > No, there's no headers like that. I was wondering if there is some
> > logic somewhere that parses the subject for keywords like
> > "Announcement:"!
> > 
> > Thanks for your thoughts on it.
> > 
> > P.
> 
> Only thing I can think of is maybe your using IMAP and it "labels"
> mails as important like gmail does? Yes it's annoying behavior. 
> 

It's a label so internal to Evolution - the only thing that my IMAP
server can do is to set a Flag, which I do for other things.  And I
have full control over my (personal) IMAP server so I'm fairly certain
it's not doing anything.

Out of interest, does it happen for other people on Evolution?

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Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?

On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 20:01 +0200, Andre Klapper via evolution-list wrote:
> On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 11:38 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > They suggest I use discourse and will (somehow) give me tags to use
> > it. I tried discourse once: It's inscrutable. I have no idea how to
> > use tags.
> 
> Receiving notifications about Evolution related threads in Discourse:
>    1. Go to Notifications Tags

Thanks for summary!
Will see how this goes.

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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022




BTW, the tradition and expectation of this list is "no top posting",
"no html mails" and "trim your posts".  But I suppose that's a moot
point now.

I'm trying to work out how I'm going to deal with this - we've been
told to shut up and just do it, so I am ...

> 
> Tagging means adding a tag to a specific thread that is created to
> make sure it can easily be filtered out and most importantly it can
> easily be configured as a watcher (i.e the process that allows you to
> receive an email when a new email / response has been added to a
> thread). Our Discourse instance already has a tag called "evolution",
> which can be used to tag a specific thread at creation time (or later
> on in the process) to make sure it gets properly filtered for
> contributors that are only interested in mc conversations. Each
> Discourse category comes with an email endpoint, let's say you want
> to create a new thread under the Applications category, you can send
> an email to the applicati...@discourse.gnome.org email and it gets
> automatically posted to Discourse, like you do today with Mailman. In
> the background we can configure an automatic tag, that is whenever
> the Evolution or Evo (or anything you prefer) word is mentioned
> (similar to what happens today with Mailman list name tag on
> subjects) the "evolution" tag is automatically added to your thread,
> that eases consumption by your contributors which have watchers
> defined for the "evolution" tag.

So there is no specific "category" for Evolution. We can't directly
mail to, say, evolut...@discourse.gnome.org? It relies on some behind
the scenes automation to correctly tag a message?  What happens when
someone mentions "the evolution of evince as a PDF viewer", will that
get tagged as well?  Does the automation only apply to incoming mail or
would any web posts also get auto-tagged?

> 
> I'm more than happy to work with you guys to ease this transition.
> But please keep in mind that nobody is forcing you to use a web
> forum, Discourse (NOT Discord) can also work as a plain mailing list

But it really looks like this is a web forum thing that can notify you
of posts, but with an incoming email parser stuck on the side for those
that really must use email.  It doesn't have the feel of something that
has been designed as a mailing list replacement at its heart.


> (please see Andre's mail [1] around this), so don't be alarmed.
> 

We are not alarmed. We are dismayed and annoyed at the precipitous
nature of this announcement. 

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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 12:03 AM Pete Biggs  wrote:

> >
> > what you're saying is a honestly a bit unfair, lists decommission has
> > been communicated multiple times over the past few months, see [1]
> > and [2],
>
> Communicated to whom?
>
> Have you ever read "Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy"?
>
> One glaring omission in [1] and [2] is *this* *list*. Are you expecting
> everyone on this list to also be on the Gnome devel and foundation
> lists? Many people who use this list don't even use Gnome, have no
> interest in Gnome, nor really care about it. They just use Evolution
> and want some help.
>

This list is hosted on the GNOME Infrastructure which is sponsored by the
GNOME Foundation and our sponsors, so yes, I expect at least one list
representative to be subscribed to one of those lists.


> >  but what's even more discouraging is seeing users on your list
>
> It's not my list. I'm just a user who has been trying to help people.
>
> > mentioning we're switching to *Discord*, or others not even
> > understanding Discourse has the same mailing list workflow that you
> > have today but has some sugar added on top for people who like web
> > forums and other features Discourse provides.
>
> My experience of web forums is that the discussions are disjointed,
> without any real threading, and it's difficult to follow detailed,
> lengthy, discussions.  Does tacking a mail interface on to it alleviate
> any of those issues?
>
> Do the notifications mails from Discourse have threading information in
> them? I don't see how it can if some posts are written on the forum and
> some are email based.  Have these sorts of issues been thought about?
> This is a mail client we are talking about here, we CARE about such
> things.
>

They do, an example set of headers from one of the replies I got recently:

Reply-To: GNOME Discourse <
03e7e14d32e53136f623f8ab8e9...@discourse.gnome.org>
Message-ID: 
References: 
Subject: [Community/Membership] New GNOME Foundation and Emeritus members
List-Unsubscribe: <
https://discourse.gnome.org/email/unsubscribe/6aa8437e14d329e176e2ea3f8ab84f1cf4289a9edc86693f8ab84f
>
List-ID: GNOME Discourse | Community Membership <
membership.community.discourse.gnome.org>
List-Archive:
https://discourse.gnome.org/t/new-gnome-foundation-and-emeritus-members/11399

The above IDs have been replaced with fake ones, but you get the idea.

As you can see the web forum and the plain mail setup are handled via
unique topic/threads IDs which are contained in the response emails users
get. On top of that you can filter by List-ID, exactly as you did with
Mailman. I want to keep stressing out how your workflow won't change,
Discourse is a totally acceptable solution for users that don't want to
interact with a web interface.

The Accessibility team wrote a great overview / instructions set [1] which
may be useful for you guys as well, we're seeing good traction in people
adopting the new tool and contributing into making sure other lists can do
the same.

[1]
https://discourse.gnome.org/t/welcome-to-gnome-discourse-screen-reader-users/11678

>
> >
> > There's a subset of lists (the l10n ones) which have requested an
> > exception from October's deadline, we can surely offer that in case
> > you want some more time in order to migrate somewhere else or just
> > give Discourse a try. But please, very please, let's just stop
> > complaining for the sake of doing so and without having even tried
> > using the new tool.
>
> But if we try it and don't like it, what then? I presume there is no
> other option under the auspices of Gnome? There's no point in lying
> down in front of the bulldozer?
>
>
> P.
>
>

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Re: [Evolution] Automatic tagging as "important"

2022-10-21 Thread Milan Crha via evolution-list

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 09:07 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> Out of interest, does it happen for other people on Evolution?

Hi,
no, not for me. Andrea's mail is shown here as a regular mail, no Label
(evolution's terminology) is set, neither the flag is set.

No idea what could do that. Evo on its own surely not, not
intentionally.
Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 13:09 +0200, Andrea Veri wrote:
> Du får inte e-post ofta från a...@gnome.org. Se varför det här är viktigt.
> Hi,
> 
> As we have been communicating during the past few months GNOME's Mailman
> platform is being decommissioned (python2 deprecation, major burden in
> managing lists spam). The deadline is currently set to the end of October
> 2022. Mailing list subscribers are invited to migrate to GNOME's Discourse
> instance [1]. Neil made sure [2] to create a set of tags you can re-use to
> initiate a new topic in the new platform, if a tag is missing please reach
> out to me directly.
> 
> Jehan (from the GIMP Team) kindly provided some instructions you can
> follow [3] in order to safely migrate your reading workflow to Discourse.
> The new platform supports several login methods including your GNOME
> Account and other major OpenID providers.
> 
> After the deadline of the end of October Mailman archives will remain
> alive in read only mode for posterity. If the mailing list was used behind
> an alias, please let me know so we can re-do the same setup but on
> Discourse instead.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> P.S All the l10n lists are still pending code changes in damned-lies, the
> deadline to decommission those lists may slip by a week or two depending
> how soon those changes will be made available in DL codebase
> 
> [1] https://discourse.gnome.org
> [2] 
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2022-September/msg00018
> .html
> [3] 
> https://discourse.gnome.org/t/welcome-to-gimp-forum-on-gnome-discourse/115
> 34/5

Ah, seems like Discourse closes topics after fourteen days with no traffic.
Might this be a problem when revisiting the same topic but later?
One can create a new topic of course, and refer to the old one, but this
seems to be one hoop to many to jump through.

FWIW, I prefer a regular mailing list like this. I can save topics I have a
personal interest in and go also go back with a reply or request more info
later on.


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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 23:03 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> Have you ever read "Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy"?

You took the words out of my mouth.

For those who don't get the reference:

“But Mr Dent, the plans have been available in the local planning
office for the last nine months.”
“Oh yes, well as soon as I heard I went straight round to see them,
yesterday afternoon. You hadn’t exactly gone out of your way to call
attention to them, had you? I mean, like actually telling anybody or
anything.”
“But the plans were on display …”
“On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.”
“That’s the display department.”
“With a flashlight.”
“Ah, well the lights had probably gone.”
“So had the stairs.”
“But look, you found the notice didn’t you?”
“Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a
locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the
door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard’.”

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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 11:27 +0200, Andrea Veri wrote:
> > One glaring omission in [1] and [2] is *this* *list*. Are you
> > expecting
> > everyone on this list to also be on the Gnome devel and foundation
> > lists? Many people who use this list don't even use Gnome, have no
> > interest in Gnome, nor really care about it. They just use
> > Evolution
> > and want some help.
> > 
> 
> This list is hosted on the GNOME Infrastructure which is sponsored by
> the
> GNOME Foundation and our sponsors, so yes, I expect at least one list
> representative to be subscribed to one of those lists.

I can't answer for what you may expect, but I can say with total
confidence that no-one ever mentioned such an expectation when I agreed
to be a moderator of this list.

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Re: [Evolution] Automatic tagging as "important"

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 09:07 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 17:33 -0500, Tim McConnell via evolution-list
> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 23:10 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > > No, there's no headers like that. I was wondering if there is
> > > some
> > > logic somewhere that parses the subject for keywords like
> > > "Announcement:"!
> > > 
> > > Thanks for your thoughts on it.
> > > 
> > > P.
> > 
> > Only thing I can think of is maybe your using IMAP and it "labels"
> > mails as important like gmail does? Yes it's annoying behavior. 
> > 
> 
> It's a label so internal to Evolution - the only thing that my IMAP
> server can do is to set a Flag, which I do for other things.  And I
> have full control over my (personal) IMAP server so I'm fairly
> certain
> it's not doing anything.
> 
> Out of interest, does it happen for other people on Evolution?

I haven't seen this.

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Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?

2022-10-21 Thread Mark Stanton

On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 20:01 +0200, Andre Klapper via evolution-list
wrote:
> How to interact with Discourse via email:
> https://discourse.gnome.org/t/interacting-with-discourse-via-email/46
> 

These docs seem out of date.  It says "At the top of the category,
click on the circle on the right hand side."  On the page I see for the
application category there is no circle there, nor in fact "Open Draft"
or "Edit".  Referring to mailing list mode as "not recommended" will
probably not win you friends or influence either.

It says in the "Starting a new topic in a category by email" section
that if this is enabled 'it will be mentioned in the "About this
category"'.  It *isn't* mentioned in the application category.  Does
this mean starting new topics can't be done by email?

You object to the somewhat outraged messages in this group, but you do
seem to invite them.
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Re: [Evolution] Automatic tagging as "important"

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 11:44 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote:
> On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 09:07 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > Out of interest, does it happen for other people on Evolution?
> 
>   Hi,
> no, not for me. Andrea's mail is shown here as a regular mail, no Label
> (evolution's terminology) is set, neither the flag is set.
> 
> No idea what could do that. Evo on its own surely not, not
> intentionally.

OK. So it's in my configuration somewhere. I suspect it's a side effect
of a filter, but I'm damned if I can find it. 

Thanks everyone for your help and thoughts.

P.

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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 09:50 +, Sorin Srbu via evolution-list wrote:
> Ah, seems like Discourse closes topics after fourteen days with no
> traffic.
> Might this be a problem when revisiting the same topic but later?
> One can create a new topic of course, and refer to the old one, but
> this
> seems to be one hoop to many to jump through.
> 
> FWIW, I prefer a regular mailing list like this. I can save topics I
> have a
> personal interest in and go also go back with a reply or request more
> info
> later on.
> 

A good point. I've had a little experience with the Rclone topic on
Discourse and must say I dislike it intensely, though haven't attempted
to use the email interface. However it does have a 14-day timeout,
which I think is entirely unsuitable for a list such as this one.

poc
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Re: [Evolution] Automatic tagging as "important"

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 11:44 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote:
> On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 09:07 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > Out of interest, does it happen for other people on Evolution?
> 
>   Hi,
> no, not for me. Andrea's mail is shown here as a regular mail, no Label
> (evolution's terminology) is set, neither the flag is set.
> 
> No idea what could do that. Evo on its own surely not, not
> intentionally.

Hi,

my mailing list account is a POP account. Here the flag isn't set. For
testing purpose I prioritized this message to the list. IIRC even
messages with the appropriate header aren't flagged with a high
priority.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [Evolution] Automatic tagging as "important"

2022-10-21 Thread Milan Crha via evolution-list

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 12:29 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
wrote:
> For testing purpose I prioritized this message to the list.

Hi,
I see your message has "X-Priority: 1" header, which had been set by
the Evolution's composer. It's not flagged in my instance of the
Evolution.

I do not see any such header in the original Andrea's mail, at least
not in the copy I received.

Pete, for easier search through the filters, you can Edit->Message
Filters->Describe Filters..., which is a human-readable form of all
your configured filters.

Bye,
Milan

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On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 12:29 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> my mailing list account is a POP account. Here the flag isn't set. For
> testing purpose I prioritized this message to the list. IIRC even
> messages with the appropriate header aren't flagged with a high
> priority.

Hi,

the mail contains "X-Priority: 1", no flag is set.

Regards,
Ralf
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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 11:13 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 09:50 +, Sorin Srbu via evolution-list wrote:
> > Ah, seems like Discourse closes topics after fourteen days with no
> > traffic.
> > Might this be a problem when revisiting the same topic but later?
> > One can create a new topic of course, and refer to the old one, but
> > this
> > seems to be one hoop to many to jump through.
> > 
> > FWIW, I prefer a regular mailing list like this. I can save topics I
> > have a
> > personal interest in and go also go back with a reply or request more
> > info
> > later on.
> > 
> 
> A good point. I've had a little experience with the Rclone topic on
> Discourse and must say I dislike it intensely, though haven't attempted
> to use the email interface. However it does have a 14-day timeout,
> which I think is entirely unsuitable for a list such as this one.

I went to Discourse and enabled the category thing per Andrés summary mail
earlier. I'm willing to give it a go for now, despite some initially not to
promising gotcha's.

I also enabled the mailing list mode ("for the hardcore" users) in the
preferences. 
Now I'm waiting for some new topics to emerge and see if they end up in my
mailer or not.

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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 12:47 +0200, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 11:13 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 09:50 +, Sorin Srbu via evolution-list wrote:
> > > Ah, seems like Discourse closes topics after fourteen days with no
> > > traffic.
> > > Might this be a problem when revisiting the same topic but later?
> > > One can create a new topic of course, and refer to the old one, but
> > > this
> > > seems to be one hoop to many to jump through.
> > > 
> > > FWIW, I prefer a regular mailing list like this. I can save topics I
> > > have a
> > > personal interest in and go also go back with a reply or request more
> > > info
> > > later on.
> > > 
> > 
> > A good point. I've had a little experience with the Rclone topic on
> > Discourse and must say I dislike it intensely, though haven't attempted
> > to use the email interface. However it does have a 14-day timeout,
> > which I think is entirely unsuitable for a list such as this one.
> 
> 
> I went to Discourse and enabled the category thing per Andrés summary mail
> earlier. I'm willing to give it a go for now, despite some initially not
> to
> promising gotcha's.
> 
> I also enabled the mailing list mode ("for the hardcore" users) in the
> preferences. 
> Now I'm waiting for some new topics to emerge and see if they end up in my
> mailer or not.
> 

Speaking of which, found this thread on Discourse. 
Thanks to Pete Biggs, if you're here!

https://discourse.gnome.org/t/a-test-topic-so-that-the-refugees-from-the-evolution-mailing-list-can-try-and-sort-things-out/11701/2


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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022



> 
> Tagging means adding a tag to a specific thread that is created to
> make sure it can easily be filtered out and most importantly it can
> easily be configured as a watcher (i.e the process that allows you to
> receive an email when a new email / response has been added to a
> thread). Our Discourse instance already has a tag called "evolution",
> which can be used to tag a specific thread at creation time (or later
> on in the process) to make sure it gets properly filtered for
> contributors that are only interested in mc conversations. Each
> Discourse category comes with an email endpoint, let's say you want
> to create a new thread under the Applications category, you can send
> an email to the applicati...@discourse.gnome.org email and it gets
> automatically posted to Discourse, like you do today with Mailman. In
> the background we can configure an automatic tag, that is whenever
> the Evolution or Evo (or anything you prefer) word is mentioned
> (similar to what happens today with Mailman list name tag on
> subjects) the "evolution" tag is automatically added to your thread,
> that eases consumption by your contributors which have watchers
> defined for the "evolution" tag.

So, the emails from Discourse come with a category label, not a tag
label. i.e. the emails have a subject of "[Applications] ".  There
doesn't seem to be any indication in the headers of the Tag(s) that
caused the notification email to be sent. 

If someone is interested in more than one Gnome application, as far as
I can see there's no way of filtering the two different "lists".

Is this correct or am I missing something?


P.

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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

> 
> Speaking of which, found this thread on Discourse. 
> Thanks to Pete Biggs, if you're here!

Always ... well until the demise.


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Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?

2022-10-21 Thread ja

On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 20:01 +0200, Andre Klapper via evolution-list wrote:
> On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 11:38 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > They suggest I use discourse and will (somehow) give me tags to use
> > it. I tried discourse once: It's inscrutable. I have no idea how to
> > use tags.
> 
> Receiving notifications about Evolution related threads in Discourse:
>    1. Go to Notifications Tags
>   at https://discourse.gnome.org/my/preferences/tags
>    2. Add "evolution" under "Watched" or "Tracked" (depends on how 
>   many notifications you want to get)
> Docs: https://discourse.gnome.org/t/tags-and-watching/94
> 
> How to interact with Discourse via email:
> https://discourse.gnome.org/t/interacting-with-discourse-via-email/46
> 
> Docs about personal notification settings:
> https://discourse.gnome.org/my/preferences/notifications
> 
> Cheers,
> andre
> 

I'm sorry but I must be thick!!!
Failed at first step!

Created Gnome account and then went to
https://discourse.gnome.org/u/jaa/preferences/tags

There are only 5 options in the Watched & Tracked menus
gtk, glib, python, vala & rust

No mention of evolution

John



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[Evolution] My first attempt to migrate to Discourse

Hi,

 1. I opened https://discourse.gnome.org/ with Waterfox.
 2. I clicked "Log In"
 3. I clicked "with GitHub"
 4. Evolution retrieved emails
 5. I copied the verification code to the GidHub device verification
 6. "GNOME Discourse by GNOME Infrastructure Automation Bot
wants to access your R-a-l-f account"
 7. I authorized gnomesysadmins
 8. Authorizing did redirect to https://discourse.gnome.org
 9. "Welcome!
Let's create your account"
10. I clicked "Create your account"
11. White text on a shadowed forum interface:
"Your first notification! Select it to begin.
 I'll read it later.
 Not your first time? Skip these tips"
12. I read the "Greetings!

Thanks for joining GNOME Discourse, and welcome!

I’m only a robot, but our friendly staff are also here to help if
you need to reach a person.

For safety reasons, we temporarily limit what new users can do.
You’ll gain new abilities (and badges) as we get to know you.

We believe in civilized community behavior at all times.

If you’d like to learn more, select below and bookmark this personal
message. If you do, there may be a :gift: in your future!"
13. I clicked the search icon and searched for
"applicati...@discourse.gnome.org"
14. The search returned "No results found."
15. I searched for "evolution" "in all topics and posts"
16. I selected the latest entry with the tags
"Applications" "evolution" "calendar"
17. I clicked the "evolution" tag
18. I muted the bell icon. I've got no idea how to continue to subscribe
to a mailing list behaviour, let alone that I still would have to
change the GitHub mail account for Discourse to my Evolution
mailing list account.
19. I should search my Evolution mailing list emails. IIRC somebody sent
a howto. Maybe I will do so, but not right now.

Even if we should be able to use this thingy as a mailing list, there
will unlikely be a lot of new subscribers who are friends of mailing
lists, hence new subscribers will probably not follow posting style
etiquette (if this should be possible at all), let alone that Evolution
Discourse subscribers that were using it way before we subscribe(ed),
unlikely will care about those of us, who are in favour of mailing list
style and etiquette.

This was my first attempt to migrate to Discourse. It failed, since the
forum interface isn't intuitive to use. The layout is a PITA, absolutely
nothing easily leads to a mailing list behaviour.

Regards,
Ralf
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Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 12:27 +0100, ja wrote:
> [Du får inte e-post ofta från j...@jaa.org.uk. Läs om varför det här är
> viktigt på https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ]
> 
> On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 20:01 +0200, Andre Klapper via evolution-list wrote:
> > On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 11:38 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > They suggest I use discourse and will (somehow) give me tags to use
> > > it. I tried discourse once: It's inscrutable. I have no idea how to
> > > use tags.
> > 
> > Receiving notifications about Evolution related threads in Discourse:
> >    1. Go to Notifications Tags
> >   at
> > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Fmy%2Fpreferences%2Ftags&data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C4b7f52128b474638968308dab35741af%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019484590263166%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=lshC%2FSpVB8hQf0ZcFlDb4XbnfYGLXY8%2FPIbNIuQucJQ%3D&reserved=0
> >    2. Add "evolution" under "Watched" or "Tracked" (depends on how
> >   many notifications you want to get)
> > Docs:
> > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Ft%2Ftags-and-watching%2F94&data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C4b7f52128b474638968308dab35741af%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019484590263166%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=42MMv34ISEKxAaaDgMOuI4fqGbT6StWSVr4D7YVFqDI%3D&reserved=0
> > 
> > How to interact with Discourse via email:
> > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Ft%2Finteracting-with-discourse-via-email%2F46&data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C4b7f52128b474638968308dab35741af%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019484590263166%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Kj0l%2BKnadvn%2FjyGNg95PNFs%2BPqhjmhB8T0GzK9JWmuA%3D&reserved=0
> > 
> > Docs about personal notification settings:
> > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Fmy%2Fpreferences%2Fnotifications&data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C4b7f52128b474638968308dab35741af%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019484590263166%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Hoe%2F0%2FvMwQUanrgQpFUBhFCW0%2F6PAEK50Gg%2BxQO5muY%3D&reserved=0
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > andre
> > 
> 
> I'm sorry but I must be thick!!!
> Failed at first step!
> 
> Created Gnome account and then went to
> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Fu%2Fjaa%2Fpreferences%2Ftags&data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C4b7f52128b474638968308dab35741af%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019484590263166%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bLTVr9qTQkgcD%2FT53GWm9Lpz30ekTYVNiuF2hzmisUs%3D&reserved=0
> 
> There are only 5 options in the Watched & Tracked menus
> gtk, glib, python, vala & rust
> 
> No mention of evolution
> 
> 

Go to your account's preferences instead. 

Under Notifications on the left side there should be a Tags link.
Set evolution under Watched.
That's the only place I found evolution.





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Re: [Evolution] My first attempt to migrate to Discourse

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 13:29 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
wrote:
> 18. I muted the bell icon. I've got no idea how to continue to
> subscribe
>     to a mailing list behaviour, let alone that I still would have to
>     change the GitHub mail account for Discourse to my Evolution
>     mailing list account.

Go to your Preferences, then click on Emails (on the left). Near the
bottom of the page is a tick-box which enables mailing list behaviour.

poc
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Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?

2022-10-21 Thread ja

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 11:30 +, Sorin Srbu via evolution-list wrote:
> On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 12:27 +0100, ja wrote:
> > [Du får inte e-post ofta från j...@jaa.org.uk. Läs om varför det här är
> > viktigt på https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ]
> > 
> > On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 20:01 +0200, Andre Klapper via evolution-list wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 11:38 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > > They suggest I use discourse and will (somehow) give me tags to use
> > > > it. I tried discourse once: It's inscrutable. I have no idea how to
> > > > use tags.
> > > 
> > > Receiving notifications about Evolution related threads in Discourse:
> > >    1. Go to Notifications Tags
> > >   at
> > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Fmy%2Fpreferences%2Ftags&data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C4b7f52128b474638968308dab35741af%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019484590263166%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=lshC%2FSpVB8hQf0ZcFlDb4XbnfYGLXY8%2FPIbNIuQucJQ%3D&reserved=0
> > >    2. Add "evolution" under "Watched" or "Tracked" (depends on how
> > >   many notifications you want to get)
> > > Docs:
> > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Ft%2Ftags-and-watching%2F94&data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C4b7f52128b474638968308dab35741af%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019484590263166%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=42MMv34ISEKxAaaDgMOuI4fqGbT6StWSVr4D7YVFqDI%3D&reserved=0
> > > 
> > > How to interact with Discourse via email:
> > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Ft%2Finteracting-with-discourse-via-email%2F46&data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C4b7f52128b474638968308dab35741af%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019484590263166%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Kj0l%2BKnadvn%2FjyGNg95PNFs%2BPqhjmhB8T0GzK9JWmuA%3D&reserved=0
> > > 
> > > Docs about personal notification settings:
> > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Fmy%2Fpreferences%2Fnotifications&data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C4b7f52128b474638968308dab35741af%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019484590263166%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Hoe%2F0%2FvMwQUanrgQpFUBhFCW0%2F6PAEK50Gg%2BxQO5muY%3D&reserved=0
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > andre
> > > 
> > 
> > I'm sorry but I must be thick!!!
> > Failed at first step!
> > 
> > Created Gnome account and then went to
> > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Fu%2Fjaa%2Fpreferences%2Ftags&data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C4b7f52128b474638968308dab35741af%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019484590263166%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bLTVr9qTQkgcD%2FT53GWm9Lpz30ekTYVNiuF2hzmisUs%3D&reserved=0
> > 
> > There are only 5 options in the Watched & Tracked menus
> > gtk, glib, python, vala & rust
> > 
> > No mention of evolution
> > 
> > 
> 
> Go to your account's preferences instead. 
> 
> Under Notifications on the left side there should be a Tags link.
> Set evolution under Watched.
> That's the only place I found evolution.
> 
> 
I only see those 5 items I listed above
I was using Brave and tried Google Chrome - same 5 items


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Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 12:45 +0100, ja wrote:
> [Du får inte e-post ofta från j...@jaa.org.uk. Läs om varför det här är
> viktigt på https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ]
> 
> On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 11:30 +, Sorin Srbu via evolution-list wrote:
> > On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 12:27 +0100, ja wrote:
> > > [Du får inte e-post ofta från j...@jaa.org.uk. Läs om varför det här är
> > > viktigt på https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ]
> > > 
> > > On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 20:01 +0200, Andre Klapper via evolution-list
> > > wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 11:38 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > > > They suggest I use discourse and will (somehow) give me tags to
> > > > > use
> > > > > it. I tried discourse once: It's inscrutable. I have no idea how
> > > > > to
> > > > > use tags.
> > > > 
> > > > Receiving notifications about Evolution related threads in
> > > > Discourse:
> > > >    1. Go to Notifications Tags
> > > >   at
> > > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Fmy%2Fpreferences%2Ftags&data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C325846c7acf3496ef9a308dab359b32c%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019495085397385%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=0pY%2BzAQQEvDkjnFYhraowCNVU%2FM%2BLAEI38vAxWzaNiA%3D&reserved=0
> > > >    2. Add "evolution" under "Watched" or "Tracked" (depends on how
> > > >   many notifications you want to get)
> > > > Docs:
> > > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Ft%2Ftags-and-watching%2F94&data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C325846c7acf3496ef9a308dab359b32c%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019495085397385%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=FgJL2bdtQ%2BMBh%2FeXj5NTZENtkq8miBwiSONp45MTmJE%3D&reserved=0
> > > > 
> > > > How to interact with Discourse via email:
> > > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Ft%2Finteracting-with-discourse-via-email%2F46&data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C325846c7acf3496ef9a308dab359b32c%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019495085397385%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=FC0CbHMT1qEQAbV0wmOFRd3y6tCRRM7vzORQQzOzsQQ%3D&reserved=0
> > > > 
> > > > Docs about personal notification settings:
> > > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Fmy%2Fpreferences%2Fnotifications&data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C325846c7acf3496ef9a308dab359b32c%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019495085397385%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=XWt%2FboLtEAnv7OF%2B5%2Fu%2FQEAiSWWpaL43WUTqDjfI9lo%3D&reserved=0
> > > > 
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > andre
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > I'm sorry but I must be thick!!!
> > > Failed at first step!
> > > 
> > > Created Gnome account and then went to
> > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Fu%2Fjaa%2Fpreferences%2Ftags&data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C325846c7acf3496ef9a308dab359b32c%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019495085397385%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2BmhDAaa2KRKJBRavEwypQqD5hzGpfnb4Gu4UtRZOg0w%3D&reserved=0
> > > 
> > > There are only 5 options in the Watched & Tracked menus
> > > gtk, glib, python, vala & rust
> > > 
> > > No mention of evolution
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > Go to your account's preferences instead.
> > 
> > Under Notifications on the left side there should be a Tags link.
> > Set evolution under Watched.
> > That's the only place I found evolution.
> > 
> > 
> I only see those 5 items I listed above
> I was using Brave and tried Google Chrome - same 5 items


Using Chrome.
Try starting typing evolution in the Watched field. Evolution should show
up; it did for me.



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Re: [Evolution] My first attempt to migrate to Discourse

Dnia 21.10.2022 o godz. 13:29:00 Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list pisze:
> Even if we should be able to use this thingy as a mailing list, there
> will unlikely be a lot of new subscribers who are friends of mailing
> lists, hence new subscribers will probably not follow posting style
> etiquette (if this should be possible at all), let alone that Evolution
> Discourse subscribers that were using it way before we subscribe(ed),
> unlikely will care about those of us, who are in favour of mailing list
> style and etiquette.

I will definitely not go through this. I am not a very active user here
(although reading this list is a very interesting way of learning of
potential problems one may have with Evolution - to my luck I have none of
them, and the ones that I had were successfully resolved :)). If there will
be no real mailing list as a replacement, I will simply leave.
-- 
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[Evolution] My second attempt to migrate to Discourse failed, too - Aka Re: My first attempt to migrate to Discourse

20. "Welcome back!
 Incorrect username, email or password"...
21. ...but "with GitHub" I can log in again.
22. Puzzle piece/space invaders icon > Bust icon > Preferences
23. Added alternate email silver.bullet at zoho...
24. Evolution retrieved emails
25. Ralf clicked confirmation link
26. This was wrong, hence I clicked "Preferences" again
27. I clicked the wrench icon
28. I clicked change email
29. Cahnged to silver.bullet at zoho...
30. Evolution retrieved emails
31. Ralf clicked the new confirmation link Nr. 1
32. "Sorry, this confirmation link is no longer valid. Perhaps your
email was already changed?"
33. Ralf clicked the new confirmation link Nr. 2 (yes, I got two of them
this time)
34. "Please confirm you would like to add an alternate email address:
silver.bullet at zoho... [done]

Incidental remark
From time to time it's a good idea to close one or the other tab
   opened by the confirmation links.

35. I clicked "Preferences" again
36. I clicked "Notifications" (just related to the forums)
37. I clicked "Tags"
38. Select
gtk, glib, python, vala, rust nothing else, excepted of "Muted", it
shows "evolution"

Sorry, I'm too stupid! How can I enable mailing list behaviour. Please
provide a step by step guide.

Regards,
Ralf
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Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?

2022-10-21 Thread ja


On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 11:51 +, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 12:45 +0100, ja wrote:
> > [Du får inte e-post ofta från j...@jaa.org.uk. Läs om varför det här är
> > viktigt på https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ]
> > 
> > On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 11:30 +, Sorin Srbu via evolution-list wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 12:27 +0100, ja wrote:
> > > > [Du får inte e-post ofta från j...@jaa.org.uk. Läs om varför det här är
> > > > viktigt på https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ]
> > > > 
> > > > On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 20:01 +0200, Andre Klapper via evolution-list
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 11:38 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > > > > They suggest I use discourse and will (somehow) give me tags to
> > > > > > use
> > > > > > it. I tried discourse once: It's inscrutable. I have no idea how
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > use tags.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Receiving notifications about Evolution related threads in
> > > > > Discourse:
> > > > >    1. Go to Notifications Tags
> > > > >   at
> > > > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Fmy%2Fpreferences%2Ftags&data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C325846c7acf3496ef9a308dab359b32c%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019495085397385%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=0pY%2BzAQQEvDkjnFYhraowCNVU%2FM%2BLAEI38vAxWzaNiA%3D&reserved=0
> > > > >    2. Add "evolution" under "Watched" or "Tracked" (depends on how
> > > > >   many notifications you want to get)
> > > > > Docs:
> > > > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Ft%2Ftags-and-watching%2F94&data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C325846c7acf3496ef9a308dab359b32c%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019495085397385%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=FgJL2bdtQ%2BMBh%2FeXj5NTZENtkq8miBwiSONp45MTmJE%3D&reserved=0
> > > > > 
> > > > > How to interact with Discourse via email:
> > > > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Ft%2Finteracting-with-discourse-via-email%2F46&data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C325846c7acf3496ef9a308dab359b32c%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019495085397385%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=FC0CbHMT1qEQAbV0wmOFRd3y6tCRRM7vzORQQzOzsQQ%3D&reserved=0
> > > > > 
> > > > > Docs about personal notification settings:
> > > > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Fmy%2Fpreferences%2Fnotifications&data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C325846c7acf3496ef9a308dab359b32c%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019495085397385%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=XWt%2FboLtEAnv7OF%2B5%2Fu%2FQEAiSWWpaL43WUTqDjfI9lo%3D&reserved=0
> > > > > 
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > andre
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I'm sorry but I must be thick!!!
> > > > Failed at first step!
> > > > 
> > > > Created Gnome account and then went to
> > > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscourse.gnome.org%2Fu%2Fjaa%2Fpreferences%2Ftags&data=05%7C01%7Csorin.srbu%40ki.se%7C325846c7acf3496ef9a308dab359b32c%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dda043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C638019495085397385%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2BmhDAaa2KRKJBRavEwypQqD5hzGpfnb4Gu4UtRZOg0w%3D&reserved=0
> > > > 
> > > > There are only 5 options in the Watched & Tracked menus
> > > > gtk, glib, python, vala & rust
> > > > 
> > > > No mention of evolution
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Go to your account's preferences instead.
> > > 
> > > Under Notifications on the left side there should be a Tags link.
> > > Set evolution under Watched.
> > > That's the only place I found evolution.
> > > 
> > > 
> > I only see those 5 items I listed above
> > I was using Brave and tried Google Chrome - same 5 items
> 
> 
> Using Chrome.
> Try starting typing evolution in the Watched field. Evolution should show
> up; it did for me.
> 
> 
Yes that was it - type it in!
The window is only active when the list is pulled down!

Also received the same answer from my "discourse" A/C !

No email yet though

Thanks

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Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 13:00 +0100, ja wrote:
> > Using Chrome.
> > Try starting typing evolution in the Watched field. Evolution
> > should show
> > up; it did for me.
> > 
> > 
> Yes that was it - type it in!
> The window is only active when the list is pulled down!
> 
> Also received the same answer from my "discourse" A/C !
> 
Please trim your quoted material. There's no need to quote everything
in the thread.

> No email yet though

It seems to take some time. I suspect Discourse is batching emails.

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[Evolution] [partly solved] My first attempt to migrate to Discourse

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 12:38 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Go to your Preferences, then click on Emails (on the left). Near the
> bottom of the page is a tick-box which enables mailing list behaviour.

Thank you!

Oops! "Include previous replies at the bottom of emails"

Ahh!  "Mailing list mode enabled. Email notification settings are
   overridden."

I can only chose between

  1. "Send me an email for every new post (about 25 per day)"
  2. "Send an email for every new post except my own"

Since I chose the first one, I probably will not receive email number
26+?!

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?

Dnia 21.10.2022 o godz. 13:04:15 Patrick O'Callaghan pisze:
> 
> It seems to take some time. I suspect Discourse is batching emails.

Which also means it is *not* a replacement for a mailing list. Typical
mailing list sends out messages once they are received. Of course, a mailing
list subscriber can enable digest mode and receive messages in batch, but
that's not a typical use case.
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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

> 
> They do, an example set of headers from one of the replies I got
> recently:
> 
> Reply-To: GNOME Discourse
> <03e7e14d32e53136f623f8ab8e9...@discourse.gnome.org>
> Message-ID: 
> References: 

The threading information needs some serious work. The References:
header doesn't match up with the message being replied to, in fact the
only consistent reference is to the topic/xx...@discourse.gnome.org ID.
Consequently there's no real threading in the mail from Discourse,
everything is at the same level underneath the first mail - and it
doesn't take much for not even that to work.


And I still can't find out how to get an email copy of my own posts. Is
that even possible?

P.

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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

Pete,

That's about correct, and I see where that can be seen as a limitation. You
can only filter by category in the way that you're mentioning AFAIK. One
way would be to include an [Evolution] or [$APP] tag in the subject line
and filter by that but that'd require instructing users to do so, not
particularly feasible. But that's definitely a good point.

On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 1:02 PM Pete Biggs  wrote:

>
> >
> > Tagging means adding a tag to a specific thread that is created to
> > make sure it can easily be filtered out and most importantly it can
> > easily be configured as a watcher (i.e the process that allows you to
> > receive an email when a new email / response has been added to a
> > thread). Our Discourse instance already has a tag called "evolution",
> > which can be used to tag a specific thread at creation time (or later
> > on in the process) to make sure it gets properly filtered for
> > contributors that are only interested in mc conversations. Each
> > Discourse category comes with an email endpoint, let's say you want
> > to create a new thread under the Applications category, you can send
> > an email to the applicati...@discourse.gnome.org email and it gets
> > automatically posted to Discourse, like you do today with Mailman. In
> > the background we can configure an automatic tag, that is whenever
> > the Evolution or Evo (or anything you prefer) word is mentioned
> > (similar to what happens today with Mailman list name tag on
> > subjects) the "evolution" tag is automatically added to your thread,
> > that eases consumption by your contributors which have watchers
> > defined for the "evolution" tag.
>
> So, the emails from Discourse come with a category label, not a tag
> label. i.e. the emails have a subject of "[Applications] ".  There
> doesn't seem to be any indication in the headers of the Tag(s) that
> caused the notification email to be sent.
>
> If someone is interested in more than one Gnome application, as far as
> I can see there's no way of filtering the two different "lists".
>
> Is this correct or am I missing something?
>
>
> P.
>
>

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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

On Thu, 2022-10-20 at 22:58 +0200, Andrea Veri wrote:
> 
> Each Discourse category comes with an email endpoint, let's say you want
> to create a new thread under the Applications category, you can send an
> email to theapplicati...@discourse.gnome.org email and it gets
> automatically posted to Discourse, like you do today with Mailman. In the
> background we can configure an automatic tag, that is whenever the
> Evolution or Evo (or anything you prefer) word is mentioned (similar to
> what happens today with Mailman list name tag on subjects) the "evolution"
> tag is automatically added to your thread, that eases consumption by your
> contributors which have watchers defined for the "evolution" tag.
> 
> I'm more than happy to work with you guys to ease this transition. But
> please keep in mind that nobody is forcing you to use a web forum,
> Discourse (NOT Discord) can also work as a plain mailing list (please see
> Andre's mail [1] around this), so don't be alarmed.

Hi!

I'd like to see this automation in action first, if possible.

Pete Biggs raises a valid point about the "evolution of Evince" though.
Would this be tagged as an Evolution Mail topic then?
How "smart" is this automation?

What needs to be done/okayed/whatever to have you(?) set this up for us to
try out?

Before somebody asks, I'm just a lowly enduser and have no idea about
automatic tagging on web forums and stuff like that. 
I just want to use the information available here in a fast and easy
fashion. :-)

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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

Pete,

threading is there and working as expected, been using Discourse for a
while and threading is properly working. At this point, for any further
question, I'd suggest you to open a new topic under [1] so that everyone
can help you and anyone else on this list getting what they're looking for.
As I mentioned a lot of users joined during the past few days and there's
been a lot of good discussion on how to build proper workflows to properly
replace Mailman. You have good points which I'm confident will benefit
everyone on the Discourse platform.

Thanks!

[1] https://discourse.gnome.org/c/site-feedback/3

On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 2:09 PM Pete Biggs  wrote:

> >
> > They do, an example set of headers from one of the replies I got
> > recently:
> >
> > Reply-To: GNOME Discourse
> > <03e7e14d32e53136f623f8ab8e9...@discourse.gnome.org>
> > Message-ID: 
> > References: 
>
> The threading information needs some serious work. The References:
> header doesn't match up with the message being replied to, in fact the
> only consistent reference is to the topic/xx...@discourse.gnome.org ID.
> Consequently there's no real threading in the mail from Discourse,
> everything is at the same level underneath the first mail - and it
> doesn't take much for not even that to work.
>
>
> And I still can't find out how to get an email copy of my own posts. Is
> that even possible?
>
> P.
>
>

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Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 13:00 +0100, ja wrote:
> > > > 
> > > I only see those 5 items I listed above
> > > I was using Brave and tried Google Chrome - same 5 items
> > 
> > 
> > Using Chrome.
> > Try starting typing evolution in the Watched field. Evolution should
> > show
> > up; it did for me.
> > 
> > 
> Yes that was it - type it in!
> The window is only active when the list is pulled down!
> 
> Also received the same answer from my "discourse" A/C !
> 
> No email yet though
> 

Cool!
Here's your first badge, Discourse style! 
Ascii Email Badge: >>*

First email may take a while to get through. I started getting mine after
almost an hour.

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[Evolution] The irks and quirks of the migration from evolution-list to discourse

Hi,

I'm new to discourse. I'm sorry, but I need to send a test email.

Regards,
Ralf

PS: Cc'ed to the evolution-list.
 
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[Evolution] Discourse -- Insufficient Trust Level

Hi,

discourse is crap². I'm forwarding an original HTML email [1].

Regards,
Ralf

[1]
 Forwarded Message 
From: GNOME Discourse 
Reply-To: GNOME Discourse 
To: silver.bullet at zoho...
Subject: [GNOME Discourse] Email issue -- Insufficient Trust Level
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2022 12:16:19 +

We’re sorry, but your email message to
[“applicati...@discourse.gnome.org”] (titled [Evolution] The irks and
quirks of the migration from evolution-list to discourse) didn’t work.
Your account does not have the required trust level to post new topics
to this email address. If you believe this is an error, contact a staff
member.
                                                             

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Re: [Evolution] My first attempt to migrate to Discourse

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 13:54 +0200, Jaroslaw Rafa wrote:
> I will definitely not go through this.

Hi,

it anyway doesn't work. I can't post to the discourse mailing list.

https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-October/msg00209.html

I spend more than 1 hour to subscribe to a mailing list that doesn't
work.

Usually subscribing to a list takes a few minutes, sometimes just a few
seconds or a minute and after that it works without issues.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [Evolution] Discourse -- Insufficient Trust Level

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 14:25 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> discourse is crap². I'm forwarding an original HTML email [1].
> 
> 
> We’re sorry, but your email message to
> [“applicati...@discourse.gnome.org”] (titled [Evolution] The irks and
> quirks of the migration from evolution-list to discourse) didn’t
> work.
> Your account does not have the required trust level to post new
> topics to this email address. If you believe this is an error,
> contact a staff member.
>                                                              

Yup. You're a new user so not trusted to do things. See 

https://blog.discourse.org/2018/06/understanding-discourse-trust-levels/

It doesn't take much to get to Level 1 - I've got there already - but
all new users start at Level 0, which is heavily restricted "for safety
– both theirs and yours".

Perhaps it's just because I'm old and been doing these things a long
time, but the faux jolliness of all this really grates. This is what I
got on going up a level: 

   Hey there. We see you’ve been busy reading, which is fantastic, so
   we’ve promoted you up a trust level!

   We’re really glad you’re spending time with us and we’d love to know
   more about you. Take a moment to fill out your profile, or feel free to
   start a new topic.

And this whole "badge" thing - https://discourse.gnome.org/badges - I
just don't ing care.

P.
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Re: [Evolution] Discourse -- Insufficient Trust Level

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 13:42 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> It doesn't take much to get to Level 1 - I've got there already - but
> all new users start at Level 0, which is heavily restricted "for safety
> – both theirs and yours".

Hi,

a forum, is a forum, is a forum, is a forum. See the PPS of [1]:
"If a forum post was edited, will the edited post also be send by
email?"

In the meantime I got a reply, but not by email [2].

I'm not interested to waste more time with this. I already wasted 1½
hours without success.

I'm done with this.

Regards,
Ralf

[1]
https://discourse.gnome.org/t/a-test-topic-so-that-the-refugees-from-the-evolution-mailing-list-can-try-and-sort-things-out/11701/33

"Hi,

I can’t use Discourse by email. I don’t receive any emails and I can’t
send an email, see
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-October/msg00209.html
.

screenshot_20221021_144241
screenshot_20221021_1442411920×1080 267 KB

Please reply to evolution-list@gnome.org, since I will not continue
using the forum by an Internet browser.

Regards,
Ralf

PS: The editor as well as the preview showed that I quoted averi, but
it’s not shown by this post.
PPS: If a forum post was edited, will the edited post also be send by
email?"

[2]

https://discourse.gnome.org/t/a-test-topic-so-that-the-refugees-from-the-evolution-mailing-list-can-try-and-sort-things-out/11701/34

"Ralf,

don’t use mailing list mode as it doesn’t behave the way you’d expect
(you get notified about every single category unless you opt out / mute
the categories you’re not interested in).

Please see Welcome to GIMP forum on GNOME Discourse and Welcome to Gnome
discourse screen reader users to further read on how to properly
configure your user profile / mail client."
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Re: [Evolution] Discourse -- Insufficient Trust Level

Hi all, hi Pete,

I got your Discourse reply by email. It's the first email coming through
this "list".

The HTML email was send to my GitHub email address, not to my
"successfully" changed Discourse email address.

The subject starts with "[Side feedback]". This makes sense, since the
tag is "Site Feedback". Actually I did not "subscribe" to the tag "Site
Feedback". The subject doesn't contain "Evolution", it's "Email usage of
discourse - threading", see
https://discourse.gnome.org/t/email-usage-of-discourse-threading/11716 .

So we probably receive every post unrelated to Evolution, if it contains
the word "Evolution".

Now the bomb drops, I got an email with the subject "[Site Feedback]
Please delete my account". It doesn't contain "volution (I searched
without the "E"/"e").

I call this spam.

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 14:10 +0200, Andrea Veri wrote:
> That's about correct, and I see where that can be seen as a
> limitation. You
> can only filter by category in the way that you're mentioning AFAIK.
> One
> way would be to include an [Evolution] or [$APP] tag in the subject
> line
> and filter by that but that'd require instructing users to do so, not
> particularly feasible. But that's definitely a good point.

It's a bit more than a "good point". To me this is a fatal limitation.
I'm willing to make the effort to adapt to Discourse (thousands
wouldn't) but unless a reliable solution to this is found the change is
simply unacceptable. I have absolutely no interest in following
discussions about the Gnome project as a whole. Evolution is one of the
few Gnome apps I use (my desktop is KDE) and I seriously do *not* want
to have to deal with this on a message-by-message basis.

As others have said, Evolution is primarily an email client, and it
makes sense that its main support forum should be a properly managed
mailing list.

A further point: I'm on several technical mailing lists, each of them
with their own management. What they largely have in common is a set of
common practices which people have become used to over a period of many
years. The Gnome lists appear to be moving to platform which is
radically different from every other list I'm on, and which requires a
new set of tools to manage. This is a lot of pain for zero gain as far
as I'm concerned.

poc
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[Evolution] Spam from Discourse - Was: Discourse -- Insufficient Trust Level

Hi,

I got two more "[Site Feedback] Please delete my account" emails and one
"[Applications] Left Shortcuts Bar Too Wide, Unable to Edit" email.

"[Applications] Left Shortcuts Bar Too Wide, Unable to Edit" doesn't
contain "Evolution" or "evolution" and the tags are "Applications" and
"nautilus", there's no tag "Evolution" or "evolution".

Regards,
Ralf
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[Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....


What new fresh hell is this:

   We appreciate your enthusiasm, keep it up! That said, for the safety
   of our community, you’ve reached the maximum number of replies a new
   user can create on their first day. Please wait 21 hours and you’ll
   be able to create more replies.

I can't even reply to my own Topic in "Site Feedback".

I wondered why my email reply to a user I WAS TRYING TO HELP hadn't
appeared. It looks like it was just silently dropped.
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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

2022-10-21 Thread Anonymous Japhering via evolution-list

Dnia 21.10.2022 o godz. 14:57:04 Patrick O'Callaghan pisze:
> 
> As others have said, Evolution is primarily an email client, and it
> makes sense that its main support forum should be a properly managed
> mailing list.

A quick and simple question: who is in position to decide to move this list
to another mailing list, hosted elsewhere? There have been already a few
propositions on this list for an alternative. Who is the "owner" of this
list who can decide about the move?
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Re: [Evolution] Discourse -- Insufficient Trust Level



On 10/21/22 07:25, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list wrote:

Hi,

discourse is crap². I'm forwarding an original HTML email [1].

Regards,
Ralf


Agreed, discourse is an not much better than a surreptitiously installed
remote access tool.  It is invasive  and darn near impossible to remove
from window devices.

Between my wife, my daughter and my granddaughters every windows box
they have touch has a non-removing instance of discourse installed. It
doesn't show in the system list of app to remove, and there is no uninstall
code in the discourse directories.

Fortunately, for me all my computers are AIX, Linux or FreeBSD, which no one
on the list will touch.


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Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 15:03 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> 
> What new fresh hell is this:
> 
>    We appreciate your enthusiasm, keep it up! That said, for the safety
>    of our community, you’ve reached the maximum number of replies a new
>    user can create on their first day. Please wait 21 hours and you’ll
>    be able to create more replies.
> 
> I can't even reply to my own Topic in "Site Feedback".
> 
> I wondered why my email reply to a user I WAS TRYING TO HELP hadn't
> appeared. It looks like it was just silently dropped.
> 

I'm pretty sure you'll get a badge by tomorrow for your effort today! ;-)

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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

2022-10-21 Thread Jim Popovitch via evolution-list

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 16:04 +0200, Jaroslaw Rafa via evolution-list
wrote:
> Dnia 21.10.2022 o godz. 14:57:04 Patrick O'Callaghan pisze:
> > 
> > As others have said, Evolution is primarily an email client, and it
> > makes sense that its main support forum should be a properly managed
> > mailing list.
> 
> A quick and simple question: who is in position to decide to move this list
> to another mailing list, hosted elsewhere? There have been already a few
> propositions on this list for an alternative. Who is the "owner" of this
> list who can decide about the move?

Further, the previous stated reasons for dropping mail.gnome.org have
all been proven unsubstantiated. Python2 is not going away (Ubuntu Pro
supports it until the year 2030), and spam is not a problem on other
well run mailing lists. 

-Jim P. 

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Re: [Evolution] Discourse -- Insufficient Trust Level

Dnia 21.10.2022 o godz. 09:09:48 Anonymous Japhering via evolution-list pisze:
> 
> Agreed, discourse is an not much better than a surreptitiously installed
> remote access tool.  It is invasive  and darn near impossible to remove
> from window devices.
> 
> Between my wife, my daughter and my granddaughters every windows box
> they have touch has a non-removing instance of discourse installed. It
> doesn't show in the system list of app to remove, and there is no uninstall
> code in the discourse directories.

Hm... from the entire discussion I had the impression that this thing is
used via a web browser... Why then install any app for it?
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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

2022-10-21 Thread Anonymous Japhering via evolution-list

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 16:04 +0200, Jaroslaw Rafa via evolution-list
wrote:
> Dnia 21.10.2022 o godz. 14:57:04 Patrick O'Callaghan pisze:
> > 
> > As others have said, Evolution is primarily an email client, and it
> > makes sense that its main support forum should be a properly managed
> > mailing list.
> 
> A quick and simple question: who is in position to decide to move this list
> to another mailing list, hosted elsewhere? There have been already a few
> propositions on this list for an alternative. Who is the "owner" of this
> list who can decide about the move?

I think the issue is largely that Evolution is a Gnome application. Any
"official" list - i.e. mentioned in documentation and so on - should,
or really can only, be under the auspices of the Gnome organisation. If
it's not then it's just some other random mailing list.

Gnome users will consistently be pointed towards Discourse as the route
for help and support; the developers will primarily be using Discourse
as their route to helping people and receiving feedback. No matter how
often people are told that "the helpful people are over there", it
would still be unofficial and unlikely to gain traction. 

P.
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Re: [Evolution] Discourse -- Insufficient Trust Level


On 10/21/22 09:14, Jaroslaw Rafa via evolution-list wrote:

Dnia 21.10.2022 o godz. 09:09:48 Anonymous Japhering via evolution-list pisze:

Agreed, discourse is an not much better than a surreptitiously installed
remote access tool.  It is invasive  and darn near impossible to remove
from window devices.

Between my wife, my daughter and my granddaughters every windows box
they have touch has a non-removing instance of discourse installed. It
doesn't show in the system list of app to remove, and there is no uninstall
code in the discourse directories.

Hm... from the entire discussion I had the impression that this thing is
used via a web browser... Why then install any app for it?


Because in the Steam world of gaming, a significant portion of the
games use it for in game communication.

That said it seems that discourse is growing into monolithic piece
of software -- mailing list replacement, slack/teams/chat replacement, etc

Unless of course, there are multiple applications out there all doing
different things using the same name.
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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

2022-10-21 Thread Anonymous Japhering via evolution-list

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 14:57 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Evolution is one of the few Gnome apps I use (my desktop is KDE) and I
> seriously do *not* want to have to deal with this on a message-by-
> message basis.

Hi,

Evolution isn't the only GNOME app I've got installed, but to my
knowledge it's the only one I'm using. I would be surprised, if another
app I'm using is a GNOME app, too.

To me receiving "Nautilus" related messages, is the same as receiving
(other) spam. IOW at the moment I receive lots of spam from Discourse
GNOME.

> I'm on several technical mailing lists, each of them with their own
> management. What they largely have in common is a set of common
> practices which people have become used to over a period of many
> years. The Gnome lists appear to be moving to platform which is
> radically different from every other list I'm on, and which requires a
> new set of tools to manage. This is a lot of pain for zero gain as far
> as I'm concerned.

It already starts with the multipart messages sent by Discourse. I can't
disable HTML, since administrative bodies etc. tend to send HTML emails.
>From a mailing list I expect to get plain text emails, no multipart, no
HTML. HTML is a PITA. I don't expect proper emails from administrative
bodies etc., but from BSD and Linux communities I expect a little bit
more familiarity related to emails.

Regards,
Ralf 

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On 10/21/22 09:15, Pete Biggs wrote:

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 16:04 +0200, Jaroslaw Rafa via evolution-list
wrote:

Dnia 21.10.2022 o godz. 14:57:04 Patrick O'Callaghan pisze:

As others have said, Evolution is primarily an email client, and it
makes sense that its main support forum should be a properly managed
mailing list.

A quick and simple question: who is in position to decide to move this list
to another mailing list, hosted elsewhere? There have been already a few
propositions on this list for an alternative. Who is the "owner" of this
list who can decide about the move?

I think the issue is largely that Evolution is a Gnome application. Any
"official" list - i.e. mentioned in documentation and so on - should,
or really can only, be under the auspices of the Gnome organisation. If
it's not then it's just some other random mailing list.

Gnome users will consistently be pointed towards Discourse as the route
for help and support; the developers will primarily be using Discourse
as their route to helping people and receiving feedback. No matter how
often people are told that "the helpful people are over there", it
would still be unofficial and unlikely to gain traction.


And via use of the "Trust" system, they have rendered it impossible
to shadow the list as that ID will never develop any trust.
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Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 14:10 +, Sorin Srbu via evolution-list wrote:
> I'm pretty sure you'll get a badge by tomorrow for your effort today!
> ;-)

He's close to the next level :D.

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Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 16:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
wrote:
> On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 14:10 +, Sorin Srbu via evolution-list wrote:
> > I'm pretty sure you'll get a badge by tomorrow for your effort today!
> > ;-)
> 
> He's close to the next level :D.
> 
Close to something ... I can assure this subject of this was not the
first thing I typed.

P.

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Re: [Evolution] Discourse -- Insufficient Trust Level

2022-10-21 Thread Matt Connell

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 09:20 -0500, Anonymous Japhering via evolution-
list wrote:
> > Hm... from the entire discussion I had the impression that this
> > thing is
> > used via a web browser... Why then install any app for it?
> > 
> Because in the Steam world of gaming, a significant portion of the
> games use it for in game communication.

You are both confusing discourse for discord, again, which isn't
helping the discussion. 
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Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 15:33 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 14:10 +, Sorin Srbu via evolution-list wrote:
> > > I'm pretty sure you'll get a badge by tomorrow for your effort today!
> > > ;-)
> > 
> > He's close to the next level :D.
> > 
> Close to something ... I can assure this subject of this was not the
> first thing I typed.
> 

Oh, great. LOL!
Now I have to wipe off that coffee I blurted out on the monitors laughing
while reading these two comments. :*)

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Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 15:33 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 16:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 14:10 +, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> > > I'm pretty sure you'll get a badge by tomorrow for your effort today!
> > > ;-)
> > 
> > He's close to the next level :D.
> > 
> Close to something ... I can assure this subject of this was not the
> first thing I typed.

:D

You were probably full of praise for the Social Credit System when you
first started typing.
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Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....

2022-10-21 Thread Torsten Krah via evolution-list

Am Freitag, dem 21.10.2022 um 14:51 + schrieb Sorin Srbu via
evolution-list:
> Oh, great. LOL!
> Now I have to wipe off that coffee I blurted out on the monitors
> laughing
> while reading these two comments. :*)

Same for me here, that made my day, although the whole topic about
closing this list + moving to discourse is not really funny at all but
you nailed it Ralf + Pete - I am still giggling now and than thinking
about those 2 comments of yours.

cheers

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Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 17:29 +0200, Torsten Krah wrote:
> Am Freitag, dem 21.10.2022 um 14:51 + schrieb Sorin Srbu:
> > Oh, great. LOL!
> > Now I have to wipe off that coffee I blurted out on the monitors
> > laughing while reading these two comments. :*)
> 
> Same for me here, that made my day

Hi,

the best comedy comment was made by Sorin Srbu [1].

Here primary school children get a smiley stamp for good work and Pete
pretty sure gets a badge for his hard work. For this forum folks we are
circus monkeys or at best primary school children and we get rewarded
with the sound of a click frog, if we do what they want. Basically, we
are humiliated and insulted.

Regards,
Ralf

[1]
On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 14:10 +, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> I'm pretty sure you'll get a badge by tomorrow for your effort today!
;-)
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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

Sorin Srbu via evolution-list said on Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:50:23 +


>Ah, seems like Discourse closes topics after fourteen days with no
>traffic. Might this be a problem when revisiting the same topic but
>later? 

Yes.

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Re: [Evolution] Wrong time zone shown on some events in calendar

2022-10-21 Thread Vincent Hennebert via evolution-list

On Tue, 2022-10-18 at 17:40 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote:
> On Tue, 2022-10-18 at 13:00 +0200, Vincent Hennebert via evolution-
> list
> wrote:
> > Any idea of what’s going on?
> 
> Hi,
> not really. I know of a regression in libical 3.0.15, but that's not
> part of the Fedora and a fixed libical 3.0.16 will come soon.
> 
> The Fedora 36 did not update evolution* packages for some time now,
> thus the only option is either some sort of local cache corruption or
> some other package made an update, which confused the system. A
> "tzdata" package comes on mind as one of the timezone related
> packages.

So the issue automagically solved itself, I suspect just by restarting
the computer. I don’t believe that the update that caused that restart
had anything to do with it, since the list of updated packages didn’t
seem to have anything to do with Evolution.

Lost opportunity to further investigate what was going on, on the other
hand my calendar is back in order.

Thanks,
Vincent
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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 12:11 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> Sorin Srbu via evolution-list said on Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:50:23 +
> 
> 
> > Ah, seems like Discourse closes topics after fourteen days with no
> > traffic. Might this be a problem when revisiting the same topic but
> > later? 
> 
> Yes.
> 
It's actually a month now - don't know if that just the Evolution tag
or what.

P.
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[Evolution] What now?

Hi,

after reading
https://discourse.gnome.org/t/interacting-with-discourse-via-email/46
I deleted my Discourse account [1]. I tried my best but stopped messing
with Discourse. Instead of working on a Wallpaper for the next release
of a desktop environment, I wasted most time of the day with the mailing
list topic. During the night I have to catch up on this work.

What now? Is this the end of the Evolution mailing list community?

Regards,
Ralf

[1]
Preferences > Delete My Account > "Are you sure you want to permanently
delete your account? This action cannot be undone!" > Delete my Account
> "Your account has been deleted successfully."


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Re: [Evolution] What now?

2022-10-21 Thread Matt Connell

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 18:24 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
wrote:
> What now? Is this the end of the Evolution mailing list community?

I fear this may be the end, unfortunately.

I love the idea of re-implementing the mailing list elsewhere.  I am
willing to fund it, but I have more money than time/patience these days
and would prefer not to have to administer it.  However, as others have
pointed out, if the mailing list isn't GNOME-official, we would have a
hard time making a sale to the community.  The community will flock to
whatever GNOME endorses.  At best it would be an exercise in swimming
upstream, and at worst it would be forgotten or shunned regardless of
the effort.

A lot of people, myself included, have no interest in using Discourse
in a web forum type of application, and as you and Pete et al have
discovered, the email interface to Discourse leaves a lot to be
desired, both in terms of basic expected functionality and more mail-
oriented features.

Personally, I'll probably move my monitoring/questions to IRC instead,
which I feel is a reasonable if incomplete fallback.
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Re: [Evolution] Discourse -- Insufficient Trust Level

Pete Biggs said on Fri, 21 Oct 2022 13:42:57 +0100


>Yup. You're a new user so not trusted to do things. See 
>
>https://blog.discourse.org/2018/06/understanding-discourse-trust-levels/
>
>It doesn't take much to get to Level 1 - I've got there already - but
>all new users start at Level 0, which is heavily restricted "for safety
>– both theirs and yours".

The fountain of youth. With badges and levels, I'm a 12 year old Boy
Scout again!

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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 17:19 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 12:11 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > Sorin Srbu via evolution-list said on Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:50:23 +
> > 
> > 
> > > Ah, seems like Discourse closes topics after fourteen days with no
> > > traffic. Might this be a problem when revisiting the same topic but
> > > later? 
> > 
> > Yes.
> > 
> It's actually a month now - don't know if that just the Evolution tag
> or what.

Hi,

"This topic will close a month after the last reply" other topics after
14 days.

What happens, if the subscriber who posted the last reply deletes the
account?

I deleted my account a few minutes ago and my post to
https://discourse.gnome.org/t/a-test-topic-so-that-the-refugees-from-the-evolution-mailing-list-can-try-and-sort-things-out/1170
vanished. The post wasn't deleted by me.

Apart from the deadline issue and all other annoyances, it also
seemingly doesn't work as an archive.

Regards,
Ralf
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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 18:41 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> https://discourse.gnome.org/t/a-test-topic-so-that-the-refugees-from-the-evolution-mailing-list-can-try-and-sort-things-out/1170

The complete link does read
  
https://discourse.gnome.org/t/a-test-topic-so-that-the-refugees-from-the-evolution-mailing-list-can-try-and-sort-things-out/11701
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Re: [Evolution] Discourse -- Insufficient Trust Level

2022-10-21 Thread Greg Oliver via evolution-list

On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 11:35 AM Steve Litt 
wrote:

> Pete Biggs said on Fri, 21 Oct 2022 13:42:57 +0100
>
>
> >Yup. You're a new user so not trusted to do things. See
> >
> >https://blog.discourse.org/2018/06/understanding-discourse-trust-levels/
> >
> >It doesn't take much to get to Level 1 - I've got there already - but
> >all new users start at Level 0, which is heavily restricted "for safety
> >– both theirs and yours".
>
> The fountain of youth. With badges and levels, I'm a 12 year old Boy
> Scout again!
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
> Summer 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/thrive.htm
>

You know - I am not one to bad mouth anyone, but us od timers who remember
when the web did not exist - only gopher, irc and nntp - we appreciate the
ease of scripting email and perusing the subject as well.  Nowadays, we are
being forced to login to some BS app because social media and the newer
generation dictates it..  It makes me sick..  My own family cannot even eat
a meal without checking their damn phones under the table - it really makes
me sick that I helped build build all this stuff - it is just as addictive
(albeit not as unhealthy (mentally)) as doing drugs.

That said - every new release of Gnome / KDE, etc seems to fall in line
with the universal dictators (MS and Apple) and it really starts to piss me
off just as bad.  What says their ideas are always the best - example -
scrolling up versus down with my mouse wheel or touchpad.  That was the
dumbest shit ever..

Anyway - this list will lose me if I have to go sign in anywhere.  Like I
said before though - I just read it mostly and do not contribute much - BUT
- if I ever do, it will be lost.  Email versus forums is so much better...

-Greg
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Re: [Evolution] What now?

Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list said on Fri, 21 Oct 2022 18:24:40 +0200

>Hi,
>
>after reading
>https://discourse.gnome.org/t/interacting-with-discourse-via-email/46
>I deleted my Discourse account [1]. I tried my best but stopped messing
>with Discourse. Instead of working on a Wallpaper for the next release
>of a desktop environment, I wasted most time of the day with the
>mailing list topic. During the night I have to catch up on this work.
>
>What now? Is this the end of the Evolution mailing list community?

Anybody, and I mean anybody, can start a mailing list and call it
"Evolution" (and it would be the only Evolution mailing list starting
November). Somebody already offered, and I stated I'd pitch in ten
dollars a year to help pay the yearly fee.

In a prior message, somebody said such a mailing list would not gain
traction because it isn't supported by the Gnome project. Judging from
the reactions here, I disagree. I'd subscribe to such a list in a
heartbeat. Absent such an mailing list, I'd probably need to go back to
Claws-Mail.

SteveT

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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

2022-10-21 Thread Brewster Gillett

 Jaroslaw Rafa via evolution-list wrote:
> A quick and simple question: who is in position to decide to move this list
> to another mailing list, hosted elsewhere? There have been already a few
> propositions on this list for an alternative. Who is the "owner" of this
> list who can decide about the move?

bg:

Excellent question. I'll toss out this possibility:

We're using groups.io for a couple of the Mensa discussion lists I'm on.
Mostly indistinguishable from good ol' mailman. Don't know if there's
a cost involved, but I would be willing to contribute if we move there.

This "Discourse" is a poorly structured, excessively juvey and chirpy
construct which appears to present group interactions in an extremely
cumbersome fashion. And "badges", fer chrissake! Bohdges? We doan need no
steenkin' bohdges!

If we're stuck with Discourse, I'm gone. And open to replacement suggestions
for Linux MUAs other than Evo.

Brewster

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Re: [Evolution] Discourse -- Insufficient Trust Level

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 12:35 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> The fountain of youth.

If that works, I'll sign up again. Getting rid of my reading glasses
would be a good start. In a very old photo I'm doing something with a
skateboard, it would be nice to do it again.

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Re: [Evolution] What now?

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 12:33 -0400, Matt Connell wrote:
> I love the idea of re-implementing the mailing list elsewhere.  I am
> willing to fund it, but I have more money than time/patience these days
> and would prefer not to have to administer it.

Hi Matt,

I don't have enough money, I don't have the skills to maintain a mailing
list and I don't have the time to get the required skills.

I don't want to "rate" posts, but as a moderator I would be willing to
flag spam as spam and I probably have the time to do so at least once a
day most days of the year.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [Evolution] Discourse -- Insufficient Trust Level

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 11:46 -0500, Greg Oliver via evolution-list wrote:
> My own family cannot even eat a meal without checking their damn
> phones under the table

Hi,

mobile phones/smartphones are something I like, but since they are
completely misused, I don't own one.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 15:03 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> What new fresh hell is this:
> 
>We appreciate your enthusiasm, keep it up! That said, for the safety
>of our community, you’ve reached the maximum number of replies a new
>user can create on their first day. Please wait 21 hours and you’ll
>be able to create more replies.
> 
> I can't even reply to my own Topic in "Site Feedback".
> 
> I wondered why my email reply to a user I WAS TRYING TO HELP hadn't
> appeared. It looks like it was just silently dropped.

The frustration is that I can see posts that I could comment on and
help people with following what I've found today, but I can't because
I've been banned for 21 hours - for what? Being too enthusiastic and
trying to get to grips with the system in the disgustingly short
timescale we've been given; trying to sort out the issues even though
we were told it just works and that it's an oven-ready, pain-free
solution.

20 years of helping people with Evolution and I've been told to sit
down at the back of the class because I'm making too much noise.

The first day of using this thing does not appear to have been an
overwhelming success. For anyone.

I may, or may not, return after being released from the sin-bin.

P.

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Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....

Pete,

Emmanuele is looking into it, thanks for all your efforts here! With any
change it comes some pain, when we initially moved from cgit to GitLab a
lot of people complained on with more features comes additional complexity,
when we introduced Matrix to IRC many complained we were slowly going away
from a protocol that has been around in the community for ages.

There will always be someone complaining but it's fundamental to give
things a try and helping out others to succeed as well making sure their
workflow is replicated to the new tool/platform/protocol.

Thanks again for your efforts here! Really appreciate it!

On Fri, Oct 21, 2022, 19:24 Pete Biggs  wrote:

> On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 15:03 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > What new fresh hell is this:
> >
> >We appreciate your enthusiasm, keep it up! That said, for the safety
> >of our community, you’ve reached the maximum number of replies a new
> >user can create on their first day. Please wait 21 hours and you’ll
> >be able to create more replies.
> >
> > I can't even reply to my own Topic in "Site Feedback".
> >
> > I wondered why my email reply to a user I WAS TRYING TO HELP hadn't
> > appeared. It looks like it was just silently dropped.
>
> The frustration is that I can see posts that I could comment on and
> help people with following what I've found today, but I can't because
> I've been banned for 21 hours - for what? Being too enthusiastic and
> trying to get to grips with the system in the disgustingly short
> timescale we've been given; trying to sort out the issues even though
> we were told it just works and that it's an oven-ready, pain-free
> solution.
>
> 20 years of helping people with Evolution and I've been told to sit
> down at the back of the class because I'm making too much noise.
>
> The first day of using this thing does not appear to have been an
> overwhelming success. For anyone.
>
> I may, or may not, return after being released from the sin-bin.
>
> P.
>
>
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Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....

2022-10-21 Thread Greg Oliver via evolution-list

On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 1:31 PM Andrea Veri  wrote:

> Pete,
>
> Emmanuele is looking into it, thanks for all your efforts here! With any
> change it comes some pain, when we initially moved from cgit to GitLab a
> lot of people complained on with more features comes additional complexity,
> when we introduced Matrix to IRC many complained we were slowly going away
> from a protocol that has been around in the community for ages.
>
> There will always be someone complaining but it's fundamental to give
> things a try and helping out others to succeed as well making sure their
> workflow is replicated to the new tool/platform/protocol.
>
> Thanks again for your efforts here! Really appreciate it!
>

Andrea,

I really appreciate the efforts, but you also have to understand you are
replacing something very simple with something more complex..  Anyhow -
this is my last post on the subject, and while Pete is willing to at least
try, I am  not.  Good luck keeping those of us who are absolutely unwilling
to join a forum..

-Greg



> On Fri, Oct 21, 2022, 19:24 Pete Biggs  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 15:03 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
>> > What new fresh hell is this:
>> >
>> >We appreciate your enthusiasm, keep it up! That said, for the safety
>> >of our community, you’ve reached the maximum number of replies a new
>> >user can create on their first day. Please wait 21 hours and you’ll
>> >be able to create more replies.
>> >
>> > I can't even reply to my own Topic in "Site Feedback".
>> >
>> > I wondered why my email reply to a user I WAS TRYING TO HELP hadn't
>> > appeared. It looks like it was just silently dropped.
>>
>> The frustration is that I can see posts that I could comment on and
>> help people with following what I've found today, but I can't because
>> I've been banned for 21 hours - for what? Being too enthusiastic and
>> trying to get to grips with the system in the disgustingly short
>> timescale we've been given; trying to sort out the issues even though
>> we were told it just works and that it's an oven-ready, pain-free
>> solution.
>>
>> 20 years of helping people with Evolution and I've been told to sit
>> down at the back of the class because I'm making too much noise.
>>
>> The first day of using this thing does not appear to have been an
>> overwhelming success. For anyone.
>>
>> I may, or may not, return after being released from the sin-bin.
>>
>> P.
>>
>>
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Re: [Evolution] Discourse -- Insufficient Trust Level

Dnia 21.10.2022 o godz. 11:46:26 Greg Oliver via evolution-list pisze:
> 
> You know - I am not one to bad mouth anyone, but us od timers who remember
> when the web did not exist - only gopher, irc and nntp - we appreciate the
> ease of scripting email and perusing the subject as well.  Nowadays, we are
> being forced to login to some BS app because social media and the newer
> generation dictates it..  It makes me sick..  My own family cannot even eat
> a meal without checking their damn phones under the table - it really makes
> me sick that I helped build build all this stuff - it is just as addictive
> (albeit not as unhealthy (mentally)) as doing drugs.
> 
> That said - every new release of Gnome / KDE, etc seems to fall in line
> with the universal dictators (MS and Apple) and it really starts to piss me
> off just as bad.  What says their ideas are always the best - example -
> scrolling up versus down with my mouse wheel or touchpad.  That was the
> dumbest shit ever..

Could not express this better. And I fully agree with regard to the
direction development of GNOME is going.

Two years ago, after I finished using Ubuntu 10.04 (with GNOME 2) long past
its EOL date, I moved to Ubuntu 20.04 with GNOME 3. I was (and still am, to
the part) heavily disappointed how many useful features have disappeared
from default GNOME apps and how poorly customizable is that DE compared to
its previous incarnation... :( And all this seems to be for the sake of more
Windows-like and more Android-like look and feel... :(
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Re: [Evolution] Discourse -- Insufficient Trust Level

2022-10-21 Thread Adam Tauno Williams

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 13:42 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 14:25 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-
> listwrote:
> > Hi,discourse is crap². I'm forwarding an original HTML email 
> > [1].We’re sorry, but your email message to[“
> > applicati...@discourse.gnome.org”] (titled [Evolution] The irks
> > andquirks of the migration from evolution-list to discourse)
> > didn’twork.Your account does not have the required trust level to
> > post newtopics to this email address. If you believe this is an
> > error,contact a staff member. 
> > 
> 
> Yup. You're a new user so not trusted to do things. See 
> https://blog.discourse.org/2018/06/understanding-discourse-trust-levels/

I show as level 1, yet recieve 

"""Your account associated with this email address has been
silenced."""
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Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 13:37 -0500, Greg Oliver via evolution-list wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 1:31 PM Andrea Veri  wrote:
> > There will always be someone complaining but it's fundamental to
> > give things a try and helping out others to succeed as well making
> > sure their workflow is replicated to the new tool/platform/protocol.

Hi,

I gave it a try, but it is an annoyance that doesn't work. Some minority
of subscribers is probably complaining, because the majority isn't aware
of the announcement, yet. As long as nobody succeeded, there is nobody
who can help other to replicate success. It's at least my
{,mis}understanding that nobody succeeded. My understanding is that some
are still willing to test it for while, but nobody seems to like the
experiences made until now.

> Good luck keeping those of us who are absolutely unwilling to join a
> forum.

As one of those who are unwilling to join Discourse, I wish good luck
with keeping those, who are still giving it a chance. Those who ignore
levels, badges and other oddities, are on the long run probably not
amused by HTML emails with remote content.

Regards,
Ralf
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Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....

2022-10-21 Thread Dan Kortschak via evolution-list

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 20:30 +0200, Andrea Veri wrote:
> There will always be someone complaining but it's fundamental to give
> things a try and helping out others to succeed as well making sure
> their workflow is replicated to the new tool/platform/protocol.

I think this diminishes the frustrations that people are having here in
a way that is unhelpful.

On the other hand it does allow another Douglas Adams quote, "It's a
bypass. You've got to build bypasses."

Dan

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Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....

2022-10-21 Thread Paul Smith

On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 21:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
wrote:
> As long as nobody succeeded, there is nobody who can help other to
> replicate success. It's at least my {,mis}understanding that nobody
> succeeded.

I overwhelmed by all the email about this topic and just deleted it
all.

You can count me in the category of people who have zero use for web
forums of any type and Discourse is in that category as well.

However I was able to get it to work, without too much effort, using
the example method linked in the announcement (the Gimp example).

I signed up (I used my actual email address to create an account, I
didn't link it to any other online account).

I clicked "all tags" and typed in "evolution" to find Evolution
messages. You can also scroll down in the "tags" list to find it.

Then I clicked the little bell icon on the upper right (next to "New
Topic") and switched the status to "Watching".

Then I went to my Preferences (under the upper right user icon),
"Emails", and changed "Email me when I am quoted, <...>" to "always".

I disabled everything below that ("Activity Summary" and "Mailing list
mode"). My understanding is you really DO NOT want to enable "Mailing
list mode" because it will send you an email for every post to the
Discourse system.

I then got busy and ignored it for a day. Maybe that helped me avoid
odd wait time errors etc. :)

This morning I noticed that I had a bunch of email from Discourse RE
Evolution. I was able to reply to one of those emails, and I see it
showed up OK including quoting etc. I have no idea what my "level" is,
or how to find it: I've not spent any time on the web site. Since I
don't go there, I also don't care about silly things like badges or
whatever.

The Discourse messages are being properly threaded from what I see, but
I haven't used it "in anger" enough to say there aren't some broken
thread issues here, somewhere.

I am having only these problems, already discussed here:

   1. I have no good way to sort email into folders like I used to
  because there are no email headers containing the tags that
  Discourse uses to sort messages.
   2. I have no idea how I can _reliably_ post new topics to the
  Discourse system and have them assigned the right tag, and hence
  get forwarded to other people who are watching the server using
  this method.
   3. Smaller annoyance: it really seems like Discourse batches up
  email and only sends it once an hour or something like that.  I
  could be wrong about this as I've not done any real experiments.
  If that's the case, that would also be frustrating.

These are definitely serious deficiencies in this new service, and I
hope that someone will find a way to address them.

But fundamentally it seems to work, in that I get email and I can
reply. So it meets the bare minimum definition of a "mailing list".
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[Evolution] Evolution crashes when trying to compose email

2022-10-21 Thread Ken Wright via evolution-list

This is a hell of a time for this to happen, but I suppose better now 
than in two weeks.


I just upgraded to Ubuntu 22.10 and Evolution 3.46.0-2, and all of a 
sudden I can't compose, send, or reply without Evo crashing.  There's 
obviously something wrong in the installation, but I'm a hardware geek, 
not a software guru.  Can anyone shed any light on this issue?  Further 
details upon request.


Ken Wright
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution crashes when trying to compose email



> 
> I just upgraded to Ubuntu 22.10 and Evolution 3.46.0-2, and all of a 
> sudden I can't compose, send, or reply without Evo crashing.  There's 
> obviously something wrong in the installation, but I'm a hardware geek, 
> not a software guru.  Can anyone shed any light on this issue?  Further 
> details upon request.
> 
There's been quite a few reports of crashing with that version.  You
don't say what sort of crash you see, but is it anything like

 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libsoup/-/issues/308

which was fixed about a week ago but may take sometime to filter down
to the distros.

P.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution crashes when trying to compose email

2022-10-21 Thread Ken Wright via evolution-list


On 2022-10-21 19:45, Pete Biggs wrote:


I just upgraded to Ubuntu 22.10 and Evolution 3.46.0-2, and all of a
sudden I can't compose, send, or reply without Evo crashing.  There's
obviously something wrong in the installation, but I'm a hardware 
geek,
not a software guru.  Can anyone shed any light on this issue?  
Further

details upon request.


There's been quite a few reports of crashing with that version.  You
don't say what sort of crash you see, but is it anything like

 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libsoup/-/issues/308

which was fixed about a week ago but may take sometime to filter down
to the distros.


Okay, you may now mock the hardware geek, because nothing at that link 
made the slightest bit of sense to me.


Now, let me describe the crash.  It starts with the program stopping, 
and after a minute or two I get the option to Wait or Force Quit.  If I 
Wait, I get the same message again a few seconds later.  Force Quit does 
what it says it will, and terminates the program.


If the problem was fixed a week ago, is there a Flatpak I can install 
that works?  I can continue using RoundCube if I need to, but I'd rather 
use Evo.


Ken
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Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022

Brewster Gillett said on Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:50:24 -0700


>
>Excellent question. I'll toss out this possibility:
>
>
>
>We're using groups.io for a couple of the Mensa discussion lists I'm
>on. Mostly indistinguishable from good ol' mailman. Don't know if
>there's a cost involved, but I would be willing to contribute if we
>move there.

I will too, ten USD per year. 

SteveT

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Re: [Evolution] Discourse -- Insufficient Trust Level

Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list said on Fri, 21 Oct 2022 18:52:55 +0200

>On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 12:35 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>> The fountain of youth.  
>
>If that works, I'll sign up again. Getting rid of my reading glasses
>would be a good start. In a very old photo I'm doing something with a
>skateboard, it would be nice to do it again.

Yes, I gave up my skateboard about 15 years ago.

SteveT

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