Re: [Evolution] Broken threading (was: Restoring data to new HDD)
Hi there, On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Paul Menzel wrote: It?d be great if you followed the netiquette! ... I've read Mr. Raymond, thank you, and it'd be great if people didn't make unjustified and incorrect assumptions. As you have seen I keep the subject line intact. I properly trim and quote. The lines I send are less than 76 characters long. Although I can be a bit caustic I don't abuse people and I try to stay on topic. My sig follows after a double hyphen and is less than four lines. Oh, and if anyone cares, I don't send UTF-8 or ISO-8859-1 (especially not in 'From' headers - and no, Mr. Menzel, despite your use of UTF-8 that wasn't directed at you :). This list is like a pit full of vipers. I've seen people come here for help, and go away so bruised by the experience they completely give up on Evolution and never come back. I'd like to put you all in a bag and shake it until teeth fall out. Netiquette? The myopia here is truly staggering. Flame a first time poster because he didn't know what his version number was, nor even that he had one, but for pity's sake do *not* mess up the threading. One of the responses to my earlier comments was that if the thread is broken he would consider ignoring it. That might be rational on some other lists, but since this one is _devoted_ to problems with a mail client, it seems rather stupid. It's like my doctor refusing to treat me for laryngitis if I can't speak clearly to explain what's wrong. One of the posters to the earlier thread was kind enough to write for me a little alpine-digest-list-threading-HOWTO. He talked about using 'V' to view the message attachment. Well, there go those assumptions again. Unluckily he neglected to test his theory, which is all that it was. Pointless noise. You see, there are no attachments on the Evolution users' digest list. And you, Mr. Menzel, knowing I'm on the digest list, sent this: -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: screenshot-of-broken-threading.png C'mon guys, wake up, this is all public and it's embarrassing. If someone wants to put some effort into improving the list software of course I'll be happy to help in testing it, but as I've said before I'm on the digest list for good reasons. Now you've seen one of them. -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Restoring data to new HDD
Hi there, On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote: ... If I sort by subject, I just see one other mail with the same subject and also no follow-ups. If I scroll through the received mails I find a few other mails with the same subject. ... Which I said in my third post on this topic. However it's not only the 'subject' sort which suffers from this issue. The 'date' sort, which I have seen and tested personally - at a meeting of Company Directors, thank you very much - is also broken at least in 3.4.4. I am told that other sorts are broken too, but I haven't seen evidence of that personally. The pressure was on at the time to get a workable mail client and then retire to lick wounds. -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Restoring data to new HDD [OT]
Hi there, On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: If you break threading ... Nabble manages to follow the threads, why can't your mail client? http://gnome-evolution-general.1774414.n4.nabble.com/Restoring-data-to-new-HDD-td4659906.html Look, this all started because I tried to help Don and Milan. Believe it or not I'm still trying to help, but I'm losing my patience. So please stop now, and get back on topic - if there's anything left of it - and if you can't keep on topic keep out of it. -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Restoring data to new HDD
Hi there, On Fri, 24 Oct 2014, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: ... the easiest solution is not to use digests, which are a hangover from the distant past and provide no benefit nowadays. I see no problem; equally I see no need for any solution. I'm the one to decide what benefits I derive from digests, not you. -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Restoring data to new HDD
Hi there, On Thu, 23 Oct 2014, Milan Crha wrote: On Thu, 2014-10-23 at 14:30 +0100, G.W. Haywood wrote: Unfortunately the version of Evolution currently in Wheezy is more or less useless. I can't for the life of me understand why it's in there. ... could you be "a bit more" specific, please? Messages get lost, as far as the user is concerned, because they are not sorted correctly at least in the inbox display. That's the main reason that I can think of off the top of my head, but there were many issues with large mailbox stores. In this particular case there would be many mbox files accessed over a gigabit LAN from a local mailserver which runs Sendmail and Dovecot IMAPS server. Any one mbox file might contain several gigabytes of mail. Individual mail messages would be up to 30 Megabytes - typically several attachments containing a number of engineering drawing files. The main problem would be getting any response from Evolution while it perpetually rambled around the user's directories trying to update files which had not changed. The users would see a bunch of tabs open at the bottom of the Evolution window and Evolution would effectively freeze. No such problems with any other mail client that I tried but Thunderbird/Icedove is the one the users are most familiar with, so those are what they use now. Most of the users access mail from Linux boxes now running Icedove, but a few use Windows boxes running Thunderbird. One of the main reasons for switching away from Thunderbird/Icedove in the first place was a very long-standing issue with configuration of the client to operate with a local IMAPS server. The configuration user interface was brain-dead, and it was only possible to get the correct configuration options by exploiting what appeared to be a bug in that interface. But recent releases of Thunderbird seem to have finally fixed that. Also, could you remind me about which version of evolution you are exactly talking? https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/evolution P.S.: By the way, your messages are breaking threading, probably a mail client bug? No bug. I'm on the digest list. (And I use Alpine. :) -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Restoring data to new HDD
Hello again, On Thu, 23 Oct 2014, Donald Sowers wrote: With you saying, 'Not without great pain and strife', you, like me, have tried tarballs before. For me, not one successful experience. Let me be clearer about that. The problem isn't tarballs, the problem is that Evolution requires support from a truckload of stuff which either isn't the right version in Debian Stable or isn't in there at all. If you want Debian Stable to remain stable, to upgrade it to the point where it would support the latest Evolution is a non-starter. Unfortunately the version of Evolution currently in Wheezy is more or less useless. I can't for the life of me understand why it's in there. If you ask for support for it here, they'll just ask you to upgrade. Which you can't do. I moved an substantial business from Thunderbird to Evolution, then from Squeeze to Wheezy ... then back to Thunderbird. 73 de MSEG3, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Restoring data to new HDD
Hi there, On Thu, 23 Oct 2014, Donald Sowers wrote: ... Testing has Evol. 3.12.6 and stable has Evol. 3.4.4. ... I have a tar.gz with 3.12.7 but I have never successfully installed one. Can this be done on this Debian system ... Not without great pain and strife. I have both OSs going right now so email is still working and I have time to ponder this. Good man. I'd suggest staying as you are until a newer version of Evolution is released on Debian. As we can't risk 'testing' in our scenario we've abandoned Evolution for exactly this reason. -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] evolution-list Digest, Vol 110, Issue 13
Hi there, On Mon, 8 Sep 2014, John Lauterbach wrote: I need to transfer my Evolution 3.10.4 to another PC. This is urgent and cannot be ignored. Well I can ignore it. :) Make better plans next time. Test your backups regularly. If you haven't recovered any of your backups lately, they might be worthless. Every time I make the backup file and transfer to the other PC using several different USB devices including high capacity ( 3 TG) backup drives from Toshiba and WD Passport, I get Invalid Backup File when I attempt to restore my data. Archive size is 4.6 GB. Why not try rsync? You don't need to do the whole thing at once. To be frank I really don't think USB devices are especially well-suited to backup purposes. If it's so important, get a NAS devce or similar. -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] downgrade from 3.13.4 to (stable) 3.12.*
Hi there, On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2014-08-16 at 09:10 +1000, Wasserland wrote: > Running 3.13.4 in Ubuntu 14.04. Too many issues for me. > > Attempts to downgrade to stable 3.12.* fail when I run the .deb file. > Message is " error, later version installed" > > This despite the fact that I uninstall 3.13 prior to running the 3.12 > .deb file. > > Help please . . .someone. This looks like a question for a Debian list. I'd agree with that, but it might just be worth looking up 'purge' in any documentation for 'apt' (Debian's Advanced Packaging Tool) that you can find if it isn't six years out of date. -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] disabling junk plugin
Hi there, On Sat, 28 Jun 2014, Pete Biggs wrote: ... Just do what everyone else - press the delete button if it's spam. ... Thus, of course, ensuring that everyone gets even more of it. No, the correct response to spam is what the OP wants to do. -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Recognizing "Junk" Header from ISP
Hi there, On Sun, 15 Jun 2014, Zan Lynx wrote: On 06/13/2014 01:10 PM, G.W. Haywood wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2014, Pete Biggs wrote: The issue is that when you reject mail at smtp time you are explicitly relying on the accuracy of an automated system to determine what is, or is not, junk. ... Why is this an issue? Because the automated systems are bad at it? No. I have to recover 5 or 6 messages every day from my spam trap. For some reason a lot of sci-fi author's mailing list messages land in there. Don't blame the automated system because you don't know how to configure it. -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Recognizing "Junk" Header from ISP
Hi there, On Fri, 13 Jun 2014, Pete Biggs wrote: The issue is that when you reject mail at smtp time you are explicitly relying on the accuracy of an automated system to determine what is, or is not, junk. ... Why is this an issue? -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Recognizing "Junk" Header from ISP
Hello again, On Thu, 12 Jun 2014, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: Not only that, Yahoo manages the server operated by my ISP, which is ATT, so I am stuck with them. No, you aren't stuck with them. AFAICT our ISP (BT, formerly British Telecom, at the moment) also uses Yahoo servers. But we don't. BT provides us with mail accounts too, and we don't use them either. They appear to be less bad than Comcast. Not difficult. Comcast gets binned here too. :) I'm pleased to have a couple of replies to my posting, but still no answers to the question: how to recognize junk on the existence of a particular header without concern for its content. You have an answer. Run your own mail server, and you can do whatever you like. Rely on Yahoo - or practically anyone else - and you'll get what they want you to get. You haven't said how you're getting the mail into Evolution but you could in theory use something like fetchmail and pipe the messages through your own local filters if you really wanted to. But then if you go on holiday, and your filters are on the PC at home, well... -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Recognizing "Junk" Header from ISP
Hi there, On Thu, 12 Jun 2014, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2014-06-12 at 16:04 +0100, G.W. Haywood wrote: The right place is the mail server, which should recognize that the mail is junk AND REJECT IT. ... This is far too simplistic. Not all mail identified as spam is in fact spam, and only the final recipient can make the call. There is no one canonically right answer for every situation, so there is a place for client-side spam filtering in many use cases. Please pay attention. I didn't say that the final recipient shouldn't make the call, I said that he should make the call before the mail is accepted by his mail server, so that the spammer doesn't get another $currency_unit for sending his spam. This necessarily means that no mail client sees the spam, which in turn means that Evolution is not the place to do this. Clearer? -- 73, Ged. ` ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Recognizing "Junk" Header from ISP
Hi there, On Thu, 12 Jun 2014, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: Yahoo, my ISP, marks messages that it thinks are junk ... H. In my book, even using a Yahoo server means the mail is probably junk, so I reject the lot. I would like evolution to recognize such messages as junk. The mail client isn't really the right place for this. The right place is the mail server, which should recognize that the mail is junk AND REJECT IT. Putting it in some 'spam' store on your computer is no good at all, because the message has been accepted by the mail server and the spammer will get paid for it. If the mail is rejected, as opposed to being accepted and binned, the spammer hasn't done his job, which in my book is a Good Thing. That way, the sender doesn't get the confirmation he needs that the mail was delivered to a genuine address, and that means the address is less valuable to the criminals. If he knows it's a real address the criminal can sell it for more cash than if he just made it up (which of course a lot of them do anyway). So you really need to ditch Yahoo and operate your own mail server. Then you can irritate some spammers. :) -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] OT: Specifying the font typeface
Hi there, On Wed, 4 Jun 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote: ... HTML for emails is a no-go. Well that makes two of us... -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Specifying the font typeface
Hi there, On Wed, 4 Jun 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2014-06-04 at 10:15 +0100, Andrew Beverley wrote: > I know it's better not to do so, but that's difficult to sell to an > end-user when it can be done in other MUAs. Are those end-users aware that the recipient anyway has not the same fonts installed and that the mail by hook or by crook will look different ;)? In the Stone Age Letraset's and Mecanorma's dry-transfer lettering sheets for Helvetia/Arial already looked different. He *did* say he knows it's better not to ... and I still have Letraset and Mecanorma in stock. :) -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] "Error occurred while sending" after enabling Google 2-step authentication [with solution]
Hi there,
On Wed, 4 Jun 2014, Nick Jenkins wrote:
... I recently turned on Google 2-step authentication
... (i.e. something you know + something you have).
...
you can mark a browser as trusted after the first successful
login, and thereafter you only need your password ...
Can you explain how the first part ("something you know + something
you have") is not defeated by the last part? Can the attacker not
simply impersonate your browser having first sniffed your password?
(And why involve a browser anyway? You did mean 'browser'?)
--
73,
Ged.
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Re: [Evolution] Posting to lists
Hi there, On Mon, 2 Jun 2014, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: In a separate thread Milan mentioned that in Evo 3.12 you can specify a sending accounting for a folder. I'm still on 3.10 so I wasn't aware of this new feature. I'd like to propose an additional option: to specify a destination address for new posts from within the folder. I'm thinking of a folder used for a mailing list. If only Unread messages are shown and none are currently visible you have to search around to find the posting address. Obviously not all folders are associated with lists, but it's a common enough case to be useful. Or maybe that's what Milan was talking about and I didn't understand :-) I think you want what we Pine (and Alpine) users would call a 'role'. http://www.washington.edu/alpine/tech-notes/config.html#role-config It's what I'm using to send this mail now. I've only been using roles for a couple of decades. :) -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Can't send mail over an OpenVPN connection with Evolution.
Hi there, On Wed, 23 Apr 2014, Christian Dysthe wrote: I'm running Evolution 3.10.4 on Ubuntu GNOME 14.04. I am not able to send mail over an OpenVPN connection with one of my IMAP accounts, but can send from others (this mail is sent with Gmail while on the VPN). I get the following error message after a while when trying to send from this particular account: "Cound not connect to "mail.XX.com:587: I/O operation timed out". I can send with this account when not on the VPN. ... There are at least four areas that need to be investigated. Remember that the OpenVPN connection between the two parties (client and server) will be using different IP addresses from those used when the communications are not routed over the VPN. This means that 1. The server and client must have correctly configure routes, so that the packets can actually cross the network from client to server and back. If your VPN is actually up (check the OpenVPN logs) then the routes are set up more or less OK for the non-VPN IP addresses, but that doesn't mean they're OK for the VPN addresses. They might not exist at all. The routes are usually created by configuration statements in the OpenVPN configuration files after the VPN becomes ready, and usually deleted when the VPN is closed down. 2. The server and client must be sending and receiving on the correct IP. It is possible that the server is not listening to the VPN IP at all. That's decided by the server administrator. 3. Any firewalls in the path must be configured to pass the VPN packets. That's decided by the firewall administrator(s). If for example it's an iptables firewall, you're looking for FORWARD rules or similar. 4. If you access the server by its FQDN, the nameserver which gives out the IP address needs to know the VPN IP address. If it returns some public IP address then the client will send packets there instead of to the VPN address. That's largely up to you (for example you could put something in /etc/hosts, or run your own nameserver) or possibly whoever administers your DNS service if you're using one. Have you tried to access this server using its VPN IP address instead of its FQDN? -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Can Evolution use a Maildir formatted inbox?
Hi there, Using Evolution 3.4.4 on Debian I've tried but failed to get Evolution to use a Maildir-formatted inbox. I set up the incoming mail spool as a user-owned directory such as /var/spool/mail/ged which contains the three subdirectories new, cur and tmp, and incoming messages are delivered to the spool by procmail as MDA for sendmail. The user's .procmailrc points procmail to the appropriate spool. But when I attempt to read the mail, Evolution either insists that there are no messages in the inbox (when there demonstrably are), or that it isn't a valid inbox (if I move the inbox somewhere else, or change its structure as far as I can tell in any way at all). Evolution reads mbox-formatted inboxes without problems of course. I've spent half a day with the search engines to no avail. What am I missing? -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] DMARC Authentication Test and Question
Hi there, On Sat, 19 Apr 2014, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: ... My ISP (ATT) uses Yahoo to manage its email ... Tough. http://emailskinny.com/2014/04/07/yahoo-mail-brings-the-pain-with-dmarc-policy-change/ http://www.pcworld.com/article/2141120/yahoo-email-antispoofing-policy-breaks-mailing-lists.html (Question) I see no question. It's likely that many lists will have to ... Some lists may attempt to resolve this issue by ... Evolution doesn't seem to ... Evolution designers should regard this as a "heads up". I don't see why software developers should rush into product modifications because Yahoo does something stupid again. Another list that I use has simply banned Yahoo mail users. It works for me, I banned them a decade ago. -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evo/Linux-Friendly ISP
Hi there, On Tue, 15 Apr 2014, Marc Hurst wrote: Can anyone recommend an ISP in the United States that is Linux friendly? My current ISP recently updated their servers; and now they do not communicate with Evolution on my Debian Linux machines. They are unwilling and/or unable to test their server against a Linux client. Any recommendations? As your ISP is clearly incompetent, just tell them that your client runs on a Windows box and they'll be none the wiser. The Internet services (SMTP, POP, IMAP, ...) used by mail clients neither know nor care on what OS the client runs. They'd have to be running something like passive OS fingerprinting (p0f) to tell you that you're a liar. -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evo/Linux-Friendly ISP
Hi there, On Tue, 15 Apr 2014, Marc Hurst wrote: Can anyone recommend an ISP in the United States that is Linux friendly? My current ISP recently updated their servers; and now they do not communicate with Evolution on my Debian Linux machines. They are unwilling and/or unable to test their server against a Linux client. Any recommendations? Because the communications services (SMTP, POP, IMAP, ...) which your mail client uses are Operating System (OS) independent, your mail client and your ISP's mail server do not know and do not care on what OS the mail client runs. Your ISP would need to be running e.g. passive OS fingerprinting (p0f) to know what OS you're using. Since your ISP is clearly incompetent, which means that it is very unlikely that they will be doing that, you could simply tell them that your copy of Evolution is running on a Windows box. Then ask them for help. They'll never know. -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Accidental deletion of local folder
Hi there, On Fri, 4 Apr 2014, Leonard Evens wrote: I accidentally chose to expunge a local folder ... Ooops. But we've all done things like that. You do have regular (at least nightly) backups running, don't you? Is there some way to recover what was in that folder if I don't close evolution first? It probably makes little difference whether or not you close Evolution. It matters a lot how badly you want the data back, because it's tricky. Bearing in mind that you can read this message on any computer at all, you may possibly improve your chances if you simply pull out the power lead that supplies your computer. Now. You're reading the rest of this on a friend's computer, or down at the local library, right? Now you need to 'mount' your hard disc (assuming that it is in fact a hard disc on which your Evolution mail store resides) READ ONLY and do some work on forensic-style data recovery methods. If you think you can wait a while for the data, then you could make an "image copy" of your hard disc on some other storage medium. I mostly use another hard disc. You can then carry on using the original disc in your computer knowing that whatever is recoverable is on the image. This kind of data recovery is possible because when you delete data on a computer, usually all that happens is that a kind of pointer to the on-disc copy of the data is destroyed -- the data itself is not in fact destroyed. It's just that the operating system (deliberately) forgets how to access it. With a good knowledge of an admittedly very complex data storage system, you have a good chance of recovering the data almost complete IF THE DATA HAS NOT ALREADY BEEN OVERWRITTEN. That's why I suggest that if you really do badly want the data back you should disconnect your computer from the electricity, pronto. Not easy to do the recovery, and you might not get every last little bit of the data, but quite feasible. There are services you can pay to do it for you. You can probably register on a forum somewhere and ask questions about it, and people who rebuild ext4 filesystems before breakfast will be able to answer them. I'm such a person, but I won't do more than what I've done here without a large payment of money and you can get enough information elsewhere to do it yourself for free. By the way I'm not suggesting that you're using an ext4 filesystem, it just happens that the last time I recovered some lost data it was on a Linux box with an ext4 filesystem. Each operating system has a set of filesystem types which it can use. Windows for example will generally use NTFS thesedays. I hope there is some place where expunged messages are put. There is no such place unless you are doing something funky with your filesystem -- and from your question I am sure that you are not. Finally it may be possible to recover the data even _after_ it's been overwritten, but then we're into the realms of 'real' forensics such as used by law enforcement authorities and I feel sure you won't want to go that far. -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] alert of new email while evolution is not started
Hi there, On Mon, 31 Mar 2014, Andre Klapper wrote: On Sun, 2014-03-30 at 10:07 -0400, ito wrote: Does evolution have to be open/running for email alerts to occur? Yes. Well, maybe Evolution has to be running if _Evolution_ is to give alerts about incoming mail, but there are other ways of generating such alerts, e.g. 'biff'. -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Command Line Export of Messages to mbox Format
Hi there, On Tue, 25 Feb 2014, Esben Stien wrote: I'm looking for a command to export Evolution directories to mbox files. man formail -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Keyboard Shortcuts for Mark as Read and Unread?
Hi there, On Thu, 13 Feb 2014, Andre Klapper wrote: On Tue, 2014-02-11 at 10:45 +, G.W. Haywood wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Feb 2014, Andre Klapper wrote: > > On Tue, 2014-02-11 at 03:07 +0400, Emre Erenoglu wrote: > > > I checked the help pages to see if there's any way to mark read or unread > > > using keyboard shortcuts but I could not find any. > > > ... > > Hmm, looks like it is not covered in > > https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/mail-reading-keyboard-shortcuts.html > > ... > What do I have to do to fix that? > ... Assuming you refer to getting this into the user documentation: ... attaching the git-formatted patch to a bug report in Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Evolution&component=User%20Documentation&version=3.11.x Like this? 8<-- From 3eee74708790628a037ac15faf2c6113cd55840a Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Ged Haywood Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 17:26:58 + Subject: Added help on marking messages as read(unread) using CTRL-(Shift)-K. --- help/C/mail-reading-keyboard-shortcuts.page |6 ++ 1 file changed, 6 insertions(+) diff --git a/help/C/mail-reading-keyboard-shortcuts.page b/help/C/mail-reading-keyboard-shortcuts.page index 03d3de5..8696637 100644 --- a/help/C/mail-reading-keyboard-shortcuts.page +++ b/help/C/mail-reading-keyboard-shortcuts.page @@ -58,5 +58,11 @@ + +Marking a message as read or unread +To mark the currently saelectred message as read, press CtrlK. +To mark the currently saelectred message as unread, press CtrlShiftK. + + -- 1.7.10.4 8<-- -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Keyboard Shortcuts for Mark as Read and Unread?
Hi there, On Tue, 11 Feb 2014, Andre Klapper wrote: On Tue, 2014-02-11 at 03:07 +0400, Emre Erenoglu wrote: > I checked the help pages to see if there's any way to mark read or unread > using keyboard shortcuts but I could not find any. > > It does not exist or is it undocumented? Hmm, looks like it is not covered in https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/mail-reading-keyboard-shortcuts.html but the shortcuts are displayed under "Message > Mark As" in Evolution: Ctrl+K and Ctrl+Shift+K. What do I have to do to fix that? I mean fix it myself, not file a bug that nobody will look at for the next five years. -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Can't find my emails
Hi there, On Sun, 29 Dec 2013, Howard Yoon wrote: I downloaded Evolution and set up a POP account to access my work server. I had 36,000 emails on this server. it downloaded all of them, then erased them from my server. Next time, don't erase them until you know you've got them! And then *still* don't erase them until you've taken at least another backup! You might also want to think about using IMAP, where you always leave the mail on the server, instead of downloading mail and deleting it from the server as you are doing now. If you use IMAP, then assuming you can reach the server, rather than having to have one particular computer near you all the time you can access all your mail using any computer, anywhere in the world, at any time. You can still of course keep local copies of the mail if you wish so that you can at least see your old messages in case the server isn't available for some reason. And now I can't see any of them in my main window. I know the emails are on my computer somewhere (when I click new folder, it shows the 36,000 emails on my computer, but doesn't show where ... I think that's been covered, but you can find all the Fine Manual here: https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable RTFM (Read The Fine Manual)! My tech guy at work can't find them either. Consider getting a competent tech guy. -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Lost input channel from ...
Hi there, New to Evolution, first post to this list, tried a few searches of the list archives with little in the way of useful results. Some hopefully relevant details: A local mail server accessed over a 1 gigabit/s LAN. Evolution 3.4.4-2 as supplied with Debian Wheezy on client machines. Clients access mail stores on the server using UW-IMAP 2007e.404. Clients submit plain text mail to port 25 on the server. Sendmail 8.14.4 runs on the server, plus a bunch of milters including clamav-milter which scans outgoing as well as incoming mail. Problem description: Sending mail which contains large (ca. 3Mbytes and larger) attachments sometimes results in the client closing the connection before the mail has been processed by the server (which sometiimes gets very busy and can take minutes to process the message). In such cases Sendmail will log for example: Nov 18 16:06:46 mail4 sm-mta[23758]: rAIFwGMa023758: done; delay=00:08:30, ntries=1 Nov 18 16:06:46 mail4 sm-mta[23758]: rAIFwGMa023758: --- 250 2.0.0 rAIFwGMa023758 Message accepted for delivery Nov 18 16:06:46 mail4 sm-mta[23758]: rAIFwGMb023758: --- 421 4.4.1 mail4.rowlescourt.co.uk Lost input channel from [192.168.0.52] and the user does not know that the mail has been sent because no copy of the sent mail is saved in the appropriate place. He sends it again. :( My hope is that there is some way either to tell Evolution to be more patient, or perhaps better to tell it to request confirmation that the connection to the server should be closed before it actually closes it. That is the sort of thing that my favourite client, Alpine, will do, but Alpine is unfortunately not suitable for the majority of my users. Suggestions? PS: This is a very busy time for me, and I'll be away from the keyboard most of the week. Please don't be offended if I don't respond quickly to any replies. -- 73, Ged. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
