Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?
Dnia 5.11.2022 o godz. 02:34:55 Steve Litt pisze: > > I have 20 years and probably more email messages than you spoke of. I > don't think any email client on earth is built to hold that volume of > email. I have probably a more than 20 years mail archive. Mutt (running directly on the server and accessing directly Maildirs on the server) handles it without any problem. Yes, I use Dovecot (and Evolution as IMAP client) as well, for emails that are written in HTML only, have big image attachments etc. But I handle most of my mail by ssh'ing to the server and running Mutt directly there. With absolutely no issues. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
Dnia 2.11.2022 o godz. 12:36:54 Paul Smith pisze: > to create such a list, and (b) someone with admin privileges to the > current list to get all the subscriber emails so they can be bulk- > added. I know that moderators don't have such privileges (I run some > mailman lists myself as an admin, with some moderators helping). It depends on the settings of the particular list. You can configure the list so that even any subscriber has access to the subscribers list. Of course, this list can be quite possibly configured so that only admin has access to that list. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] google oauth OOB flow error - ideas?
Dnia 1.11.2022 o godz. 12:49:17 Milan Crha via evolution-list pisze: > > There is no workaround for it, the only options you have: > - update to the version, which has the fix included > - update whole distribution version > - change distribution to some which provides it [1] [...] When talking about a workaround, I meant something like doing the initial OAuth2 authorization in a newer version that supports it (for example installed via Flatpak), and then copying authorization tokens in some way to the old version (in my version they are kept in the GNOME keyring, at least in Ubuntu). The accounts that were once authorized still work in old Evolution version, until you change their passwords, so maybe something like this could be possible? (Of course, if the application ID Evolution provides to Google didn't change...) -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] google oauth OOB flow error - ideas?
Dnia 1.11.2022 o godz. 10:05:54 Torsten Krah via evolution-list pisze: > > I am using evolution 3.36.5 (little bit dated I know) and I am getting > this error today when requesting one of the calendars: Same for me after I changed password for a Gmail account I had configured in Evolution. Looks like Google changed something in the authentication flow, which old versions of Evolution do not support (I have version close to yours, don't remember exact number now). I wonder if there is any workaround that allows to use Google accounts back in the old version... -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] After an update Evolution's user interface is entirely broken
Dnia 1.11.2022 o godz. 07:50:18 Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list pisze: > > I noticed something similar for another app I used a lot. The app's name > is "Meld". It is an irony of fate that mc's mailing list was also on a > GNOME Foundation server, so I took another look at mc and found that > fortunately mc offers a replacement for Melt. It's an off-topic question, but what is that replacement for Meld that mc offers? (does it work in text mode like mc?) I'm very interested... -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Let's unite the power of all mailing list subscribers who are affected by GNOME's ruling
Dnia 24.10.2022 o godz. 12:49:00 Patrick O'Callaghan pisze: > > I briefly used Google Groups a long time ago, though I think it has > changed since then. They do offer a fairly broad range of facilities, > including email access, admin and moderator roles, and the focus on a > specific topic (Evo), but: > > * No Reply To List (and I presume no proper List headers, though I > haven't checked). Possibly a minor point for some. I participate in a few lists hosted on Google Groups. Usually the Reply-To: header is set to the list address, so there is no problem with replying to the list. I also have checked now last email that I received from a Google Groups hosted list and I see that there are List-ID, List-Post, List-Help, List-Archive and List-Unsubscribe headers. > * Members need a Google account to sign up. I anticipate that this > would not please some people. On the lists I'm subscribed to there are quite a lot of people who don't have a Google account. Maybe this changed recently. While it seems to be actually required to log in to Google to subscribe to a group via Google Groups web interface, I am pretty sure a group admin can still subscribe anyone, even without a Google account, because I do this all the time on one of the lists where subscription is by admin only. I'm not sure if the option to subscribe yourself by email (without going to web interface) still works. If yes, then it may be the way to subscribe without a Google account. > * The group address is directly associated with googlemail.com, You mean googlegroups.com, not googlemail.com ? -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Let's unite the power of all mailing list subscribers who are affected by GNOME's ruling
Dnia 23.10.2022 o godz. 18:15:49 Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list pisze: > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 17:57 +0200, Yury V. Zaytsev wrote: > > * groups.io - way too expensive for us > > * riseup.net - political organization > > * Google Groups - free, no positive / negative experience > > * Freedesktop - maybe they could accept a couple of low-traffic lists? > > > > If other lists find a good solution, please let us know. Thanks! There's no problem with setting up a server with Mailman+Postfix and running a mailing list on it. For example I have Mailman ready and running on my personal server as I run a couple of very low-volume lists (but probably the capacity of my server is too low to run a busy list with a lot of subscribers). The problem is deliverability. The server's IP and domain needs to have good enough "reputation" for the messages to reach inboxes of all recipients (especially accounts at "big" mail providers like Google or Microsoft). For example, I have a constant problem with Google - emails sent from my server land in recipients' Spam folder on Gmail by default, despite the fact that no spam was ever sent from that server :(. Therefor we don't need just a server with mailing list software, we need a "known" server. ;) Someone offered here to host the list on Debian site. I think it would be the best option. As for Google Groups: Pros: 1) list is easy to set up 2) free regardless of number of subscribers 3) works quite reliably 4) good deliverability (almost nobody blocks mail from Google) 5) actually working web interface, one can participate in list via web, web interface can also serve as archive 6) theoretically there is an option to import subscribers list (but I don't know how Google will behave with 900 subscribers, it may interpret it as a spam attempt) Cons: 1) management web interface is limited in features compared to Mailman (for example you have no control over bounce processing, this is handled somehow automagically by Google's AI). 2) no option to import the archive from previous list (but GNOME folks said that the old archive will be kept, so it can be linked from list description) It's definitely not a bad choice, if you have no objections against hosting the list on Google. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Discourse -- Insufficient Trust Level
Dnia 21.10.2022 o godz. 11:46:26 Greg Oliver via evolution-list pisze: > > You know - I am not one to bad mouth anyone, but us od timers who remember > when the web did not exist - only gopher, irc and nntp - we appreciate the > ease of scripting email and perusing the subject as well. Nowadays, we are > being forced to login to some BS app because social media and the newer > generation dictates it.. It makes me sick.. My own family cannot even eat > a meal without checking their damn phones under the table - it really makes > me sick that I helped build build all this stuff - it is just as addictive > (albeit not as unhealthy (mentally)) as doing drugs. > > That said - every new release of Gnome / KDE, etc seems to fall in line > with the universal dictators (MS and Apple) and it really starts to piss me > off just as bad. What says their ideas are always the best - example - > scrolling up versus down with my mouse wheel or touchpad. That was the > dumbest shit ever.. Could not express this better. And I fully agree with regard to the direction development of GNOME is going. Two years ago, after I finished using Ubuntu 10.04 (with GNOME 2) long past its EOL date, I moved to Ubuntu 20.04 with GNOME 3. I was (and still am, to the part) heavily disappointed how many useful features have disappeared from default GNOME apps and how poorly customizable is that DE compared to its previous incarnation... :( And all this seems to be for the sake of more Windows-like and more Android-like look and feel... :( -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Discourse -- Insufficient Trust Level
Dnia 21.10.2022 o godz. 09:09:48 Anonymous Japhering via evolution-list pisze: > > Agreed, discourse is an not much better than a surreptitiously installed > remote access tool. It is invasive and darn near impossible to remove > from window devices. > > Between my wife, my daughter and my granddaughters every windows box > they have touch has a non-removing instance of discourse installed. It > doesn't show in the system list of app to remove, and there is no uninstall > code in the discourse directories. Hm... from the entire discussion I had the impression that this thing is used via a web browser... Why then install any app for it? -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
Dnia 21.10.2022 o godz. 14:57:04 Patrick O'Callaghan pisze: > > As others have said, Evolution is primarily an email client, and it > makes sense that its main support forum should be a properly managed > mailing list. A quick and simple question: who is in position to decide to move this list to another mailing list, hosted elsewhere? There have been already a few propositions on this list for an alternative. Who is the "owner" of this list who can decide about the move? -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now?
Dnia 21.10.2022 o godz. 13:04:15 Patrick O'Callaghan pisze: > > It seems to take some time. I suspect Discourse is batching emails. Which also means it is *not* a replacement for a mailing list. Typical mailing list sends out messages once they are received. Of course, a mailing list subscriber can enable digest mode and receive messages in batch, but that's not a typical use case. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] My first attempt to migrate to Discourse
Dnia 21.10.2022 o godz. 13:29:00 Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list pisze: > Even if we should be able to use this thingy as a mailing list, there > will unlikely be a lot of new subscribers who are friends of mailing > lists, hence new subscribers will probably not follow posting style > etiquette (if this should be possible at all), let alone that Evolution > Discourse subscribers that were using it way before we subscribe(ed), > unlikely will care about those of us, who are in favour of mailing list > style and etiquette. I will definitely not go through this. I am not a very active user here (although reading this list is a very interesting way of learning of potential problems one may have with Evolution - to my luck I have none of them, and the ones that I had were successfully resolved :)). If there will be no real mailing list as a replacement, I will simply leave. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
Dnia 20.10.2022 o godz. 22:58:33 Andrea Veri pisze: > category, you can send an email to the applicati...@discourse.gnome.org > email and it gets automatically posted to Discourse, like you do today with > Mailman. In the background we can configure an automatic tag, that is > whenever the Evolution or Evo (or anything you prefer) word is mentioned > (similar to what happens today with Mailman list name tag on subjects) the > "evolution" tag is automatically added to your thread, that eases > consumption by your contributors which have watchers defined for the > "evolution" tag. No, this is not analogous to Mailman, because from your description I understand that a particular tag is somewhat like an equivalent of a mailing list. Watching the tag "evolution" would be equivalent to subscribing to an Evolution mailing list. But you cannot send a mail message directly to a tag, to start a new thread. What you describe as "automatic tag" is at most a poor workaround that automatically assigns a tag to a message, based on presence of particular word(s) in the subject. However that's not how mailing lists work and you know this. Messages are sent to a mailing list not based on presence of particular text in the subject (that's only an additional feature of Mailman, that does not have to be used), but based on the fact that they are sent to a particular email address. This is an absolutely critical feature that is lacking here - at least from your description. If there is a possibility to associate a separate email address with each tag, then this could probably replace a mailing list. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
Dnia 20.10.2022 o godz. 22:43:11 Andrea Veri pisze: > But please, very please, let's just stop complaining for the sake of doing > so and without having even tried using the new tool. They say, "the better is an enemy of the good"... Or in other words, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"... -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] 3.46.0 interface question
Dnia 16.10.2022 o godz. 19:14:36 Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list pisze: > To get rid of gtk3 client side decoration on an up to date Arch > Linux rolling release, I'm using https://github.com/ZaWertun/gtk3-nocsd Hm... I tried gtk3-nocsd (not on Evolution though, as my version does not use CSD, but on other apps), and the only thing it does is to move the CSDs from the title bar to an additional bar below the title bar. The CSDs itself however stay as they are. I wouldn't call this "getting rid" of them... -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Mailing list?
Dnia 15.10.2022 o godz. 13:48:14 Pete Biggs pisze: > > So, why are they not always there? Well it's a bit of a bugbear of mine > (and others). If someone does a Reply-all to the list on one of my > messages their mail program will send out a number of messages: to the > list; to me; to anyone else. The list manager program sees that I am > CC'd on the message, so doesn't send me a copy as that would be a > duplicate - the result is that the only copy I receive doesn't have the > list headers on it. It depends on the list manager configuration. On most mailing lists I'm subscribed to, if someone sends a message to the list with a Cc to me, I get two copies of the message: one sent directly to me and the other coming through the mailing list. And that's IMHO a correct behaviour and I *want* it that way. The messages should not disappear silently and the list manager behaviour described by you is something like silently dropping a message. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] weird bug: mismatch between the message list and preview pane
Dnia 8.10.2022 o godz. 02:31:32 Steve Litt pisze: > > Or you could do what I do and install Dovecot IMAP server on your computer, > and use > fetchmail to grab from Yahoo and procmail to drop each message into the proper > Dovecot IMAP Maildir folder. All your filters would be in procmail recipes, > which > means you could switch email clients at the drop of a hat, for instance, as a > diagnostic test. If you are using fetchmail/procmail to deliver to local Maildirs, there's no need to mess around with installing local IMAP server. Evolution can just use local Maildirs directly, you only need to change the account type. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Is there a way to set the interface back to what it was?
Dnia 3.10.2022 o godz. 07:42:38 Milan Crha via evolution-list pisze: > > I know Gmail used to "de-duplicate" messages by the message ID, not by > its content. When you send a message to a mailing list and store the > sent message on the Gmail side, the Gmail silently "ignored/drops" the > message from the mailing list from you, because you've stored the same > message in your Sent folder on the Gmail side already, despite the > message received from the mailing list is not exactly the same as the > one you sent (many different headers, added list signature at the end > of the message). It used to work this way at least in no so distant > past. How it behaves these days I do not know, I store sent mails to an > On This Computer folder, to have more complete It still behaves this way. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Stop Evolution Automatically Asking to Decrypt Messages
Dnia 2.10.2022 o godz. 14:16:52 Pete Biggs pisze: > > > BTW, putting that segment of a PGP encryption in your email causes > > > problems - my Evolution tried to decrypt it because it thought it > > > looked exactly like a PGP part of the message. > > > > I think that's wrong. Evolution shouldn't try to decrypt the message if the > > MIME type of the message doesn't indicate that it is PGP encrypted. > > Well you think wrong. I'm confused as to why you would think I would > make something like that up. I'm not suggesting you are making anything up. I'm suggesting that *Evolution is wrong* in trying to decrypt mail that isn't indicated as encrypted in its MIME type. It shouldn't do that. It *does* - according to what you write - but it *shouldn't*. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Stop Evolution Automatically Asking to Decrypt Messages
Dnia 1.10.2022 o godz. 14:21:45 Pete Biggs pisze: > > BTW, putting that segment of a PGP encryption in your email causes > problems - my Evolution tried to decrypt it because it thought it > looked exactly like a PGP part of the message. I think that's wrong. Evolution shouldn't try to decrypt the message if the MIME type of the message doesn't indicate that it is PGP encrypted. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Forwarding a mail to action fraud that is potentially fraudulent
Dnia 15.09.2022 o godz. 12:22:13 Pete Biggs pisze: > > The mail must be using different SMTP servers. It's unlikely that an > SMTP server would treat mail differently from different clients. Unless the client on the phone encodes the forwarded mail in some way that causes the SMTP server not detect the fraudulent mail. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Is there a way to set the interface back to what it was?
Dnia 13.09.2022 o godz. 08:39:44 Milan Crha via evolution-list pisze: > > It's called Client Side Decorations, and it had been changed within: > https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/merge_requests/108 > It's an attempt to follow GNOME Human Interface Guidelines, > specifically the part about the header bars: > https://developer.gnome.org/hig/patterns/containers/header-bars.html Bad decision. CSDs are evil. We have to already live with the fact that default apps bundled with GNOME use them. You shouldn't add insult to injury by adopting this horrible thing in 3rd party apps. CSDs are one of the reasons (one, because there are many other, generally regarding GNOME becoming less and less customizable and more and more "Windows-like") why my next Linux distro that I install after my current one (Ubuntu 20.04) goes EOL, won't be GNOME based anymore and I would probably have to return to MATE, which I tried, but didn't particularly like. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail
Dnia 16.08.2022 o godz. 23:24:37 Patrick O'Callaghan pisze: > > Spam filtering is under the control of the receiver. It's trivial to > tell Gmail that a message is not spam, and it will learn that for > future reference. It does not. Myself I have two test accounts on Gmail, I send myself mail from time to time to these accounts, mark it as non-spam, yet next messages are again going to spam. > You might also look at *why* your mail is being > classified as spam. Could it be that some people have marked it as > such? All this has been already tried and discussed countless times. I have written a lot about this on "mailop" mailing list. It is going on for more that two years now. I don't want to start this discussion again here, as it is just pointless. Believe me, I have tried everything that was possible. I even managed to contact some guy from Google via that list, who - although not directly (if he admitted that directly, he'd probably been fired) - confirmed that it just works so and they can't do anything about it. Also when I described my problem, several other people wrote that they're experiencing exactly the same. It's a domain reputation thing. The main issue is they don't take into account that "eu.org" is a public domain like ".com" or ".net" and anybody can register their domain under *.eu.org. They just consider the whole "eu.org" to be one domain, so if there are any spams from any *.eu.org domain, it counts towards the whole "eu.org" domain. This is nonsense as this is exactly the same as if a few spamming *.com domains damaged the reputation of any other *.com domain - but it's just how Google works and they don't plan to change it. The only thing that works for me is sending from another domain. And I do it sometimes if I want to be sure my mail gets delivered to Google. But this is actually like admitting defeat in fight with this moloch that Google is. My original mail address has become unusable with regard to sending to Google - I have to use another one. > The number of false positives I've had is so small that I actually > never bother to check my spam folder any more as there's no point. And that's the problem for people like me who get "punished" for don't-know-what by Google - people like you, who believe that "Google just can't be wrong", so there's no sense in checking the spam folder. Yes, it *can* be wrong, yes, it *is* wrong so many times that the number *is* significant for some senders. Or for some recipients, as my other example with the organization's account shows. How do you explain that mail from random Google accounts, send first time to our organization's account (also at Gmail), land with ca. 50% probability in spam? Here at least actually I'm in control and I can just regularly check the spam folder for messages that shouldn't be there (and I do). With sending, I have no option other than use a different email address. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail
Dnia 16.08.2022 o godz. 22:37:23 Patrick O'Callaghan pisze: > And the free version of Gmail has by far the best spam filtering I've > come across. In fact I don't even bother with Bogofilter or > Spamassassin any more. Well, it's "too good". All mails from my address usually go to spam at Gmail, no matter what I try. I also manage some organization's mail account that is hosted on Gmail (free) and it happens regularly on that account that mails with questions from people who want to get involved with the organization land in spam folder. They even often are mails from other Gmail addresses! I am sick of Gmail because of this. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail
Dnia 16.08.2022 o godz. 13:14:04 Patrick O'Callaghan pisze: > > Yes, I would concede that. I occasionally do that as it's a way of > > fetching mail *into* my Gmail account from another account. However > > that's a special case. > > Just to add that this isn't an actual advantage of POP in itself. It's > a "necessary evil" because Gmail doesn't support fetching via IMAP from > a different service. Technically yes, but it's a common default for POP to delete mail from server after fetching, while it's common default for IMAP to keep mail on the server (otherwise local and server mailbox wouldn't be in sync, which will cause trouble for a typical mail client), therefore POP seems better suited to that kind of operation than IMAP. -- Pozdrowienia, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail
Dnia 16.08.2022 o godz. 12:22:55 Andre Klapper via evolution-list pisze: > On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 12:19 +0200, Jaroslaw Rafa wrote: > > There is one more valid reason to use POP: if you have a main mail account > > (A) and a secondary one (B), and you want to have all messages from account > > B forwarded to account A, but account B doesn't allow to configure > > forwarding. > > That resembles http://www.xkcd.com/1172/ You may laugh, but many people actually do use this. This is even recommended by some "deliverability specialists" as a better(!) alternative to forwarding (especially to Gmail), because forwarding breaks SPF (or SPF breaks forwarding - it depends how do you view that issue) and sending a lot of messages with failed SPF may decrease the reputation of the sending server on the receiving end. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail
Dnia 16.08.2022 o godz. 11:12:12 Patrick O'Callaghan pisze: > We've been over this before. There's nothing stopping you from syncing > your IMAP account to your local machine. There is *NO* advantage to > using POP, and a number of disadvantages. The only reason to ever use > it is if your mail provider doesn't support IMAP. There is one more valid reason to use POP: if you have a main mail account (A) and a secondary one (B), and you want to have all messages from account B forwarded to account A, but account B doesn't allow to configure forwarding. If account A allows to configure fetching mail via POP from remote accounts, you can then configure some way of "forwarding" from B to A by fetching mail via POP. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Storage location for Evolution files
Dnia 13.07.2022 o godz. 16:06:00 Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list pisze: > Regarding your email's mailer header you are using Ubuntu, so my > recommendation is to send a request to > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users by providing more > information. You can also ask on AskUbuntu site: https://askubuntu.com/ , very active support community there. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Rescheduling events in any android app kills evolution "run a program" reminder
Dnia 11.07.2022 o godz. 08:55:02 roachoaz--- via evolution-list pisze: > > The problem is that when you reschedule the event in any calendar on android > (specifically, etar and simple calendar tools, as well as a bunch of closed > sourced calendars from the app store), the "run a program" reminder gets > turned into a standard reminder. [...] > Is there a way for evolution to retain the run a program functionality even > when events are reschedualed in another app? I can't know for sure, but I guess the issue is because of incompatibility of other apps hat don't understand the "run a program" option, so turn it into standard reminder. This happens outside of Evolution, so Evolution can do nothing about it... The next time Evolution connects to a calendar server, it sees a standard reminder and just takes it for granted - it has no way to know if you didn't change the reminder type deliberately... -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Deleting emails from the server
Dnia 10.07.2022 o godz. 15:54:35 David Robkin via evolution-list pisze: > I apologize at the start, I do not have my Evolution version on this device. > I am running on an Ubutnu laptop and Evolution seems to be deleting the > emails off the server when it downloads them. I can't seem to find a switch > to stop this so I can download them to other devices. Any suggestions? Are you using POP or IMAP to access your mail? This is a normal and default behavior when using POP. If you want to turn this off, go to your account settings and under "Receiving options", check "Keep messages on the server". -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] unable to save read port
Dnia 4.07.2022 o godz. 10:04:49 Pete Biggs pisze: > By far the most prevalent form of email "hacking" is phishing. Both App > Passwords and OAuth2 (and also MFA) dissociate your password from being > the only thing necessary to gain access to your email. In that way, > they are a significant increase in overall mail security. But if you don't have MFA configured (and I assume the OP did not have, since if you had MFA you won't be able to login to IMAP via password only anyway) and someone knows your password, he can login to your email anyway using the web interface. So what advantage in terms of security does disabling a password login via IMAP give if someone can still login using the same password via the web interface? -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] unable to save read port
Dnia 4.07.2022 o godz. 00:06:14 Richard pisze: > > I believe that when using 3rd-party email clients Yahoo now requires > that you either set up and use a yahoo "app password", or OAuth 2. I > don't think that using the yahoo site-password will work any longer > with a 3rd-party mail client. So they basically did the same thing as Google? I wonder if this really "improves security" as they claim. If you log in via password, you don't have to store the password in your email client; you will then have to type it everytime you launch your mail client (it is what I'm always doing). Both with OAuth2 and with app password, some form of credential must be stored in your mail client: OAuth2 token because it just works this way, and app password because it's random and impossible to remember. So this is actually *less* secure if someone gains access to your computer (or a mobile device, which can be a pretty real scenario if it gets stolen) - they can then access your email without any password whatsoever... -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Controlling Signatures
Dnia 3.07.2022 o godz. 14:41:10 N B Day via evolution-list pisze: > I've appended the output of my "halfgeek" script which reads my gps, figures > out which airport I'm nearest and gets the weather and shows how antique the > computer I'm using is and how (unfortunately very) antique I am. The witty bit > of Latin is picked by a random number. The co-ordinates for an IBM strike are > an old UNIX geek tradition. And what about the equally traditional 5-line signature limit? ;) (Yes I know: my own is 6 lines long, but one can argue that "--" line should not be counted :)) -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Something changed ...
Dnia 29.06.2022 o godz. 10:09:39 Milan Crha via evolution-list pisze: > > Nonetheless, your Evolution (and the evolution-data-server) is ancient, I know it looks differently from the developer's point of view, but I still don't think it is the right term to call "ancient" a release that is included in an OS distribution being currently supported and used by a large group of users... :) If this were a release that is 10 years old, I would agree to call it "ancient" :) -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution - Dealing with groups
Dnia 5.05.2022 o godz. 21:38:05 Ubuntu Shoto Dojo pisze: > I can send to a group as a Contact List. > > How can I receive from a group? I need to receive response (or unexpected > messages from the group and put them together (group them) in a folder. I > can find nothing in the filters which seem to have any such ability, maybe > [Sender] [is in group] [specific Contact List] > > This is non-trivial (and perhaps a killer to use Evolution), as I currently > have 17 folders into which I need to sort incoming emails, based on 50+ > contact lists, ranging from 6 entries to 250+ entries in the list. Trying > to manually maintain individual email addresses in filters as things change > is a complete no-go. If you are operating day-to-day with these 50+ contact lists, I would suggest to turn them into actual mailing lists, handled by mailing list server software. This is the way it's commonly done and probably the only reasonable way to achieve what you want. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
