Re: [Evolution] Segfault in evolution recently

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 11:23 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 15:33 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > First, the pastebin when this occurs:- http://pastebin.com/rkRk9s0L
> > 
> > Basically, during usage (seems to happen mainly when switching to other
> > folders to read/write) evolution segfaults. Sometimes output to terminal
> > is as above, sometimes there's no output except notification of a
> > segfault.
> > 
> > I'm using Arch Linux 64-bit, Evolution 2.32.2, accessing two imapx
> > servers running locally on dovecot (populated and synced by
> > offlineimap). I have the evolution-mapi and external-editor plugins
> > installed as well (though I don't use the former currently).
> > 
> > Advise please. I cannot trigger this reliably, sometimes it runs for 10
> > minutes just fine, other times it just crashes the first time I switch a
> > folder or read a message.
> 
>   Hi,
> make sure you've installed debug info packages for evolution-data-server
> and evolution, and then try to reproduce this under valgrind, which will
> be pretty slow, but it may show what happened to the memory and where.
> You can get a valgrind log with this command:
>$ G_SLICE=always-malloc valgrind --num-callers=50 evolution &>log.txt
> and when it's finished then the log.txt file may contain the
> information. Note that valgrind can sometimes prevent crash and report
> issue to the console/log only.
>   Bye,
>   Milan

Debug info packages are simply non-stripped, right? And I tried to run
with valgrind but I could not replicate the problem after about 15
minutes trying. Tomorrow in the office I will try again.

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[Evolution] Segfault in evolution recently

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Hi all,

First, the pastebin when this occurs:- http://pastebin.com/rkRk9s0L

Basically, during usage (seems to happen mainly when switching to other
folders to read/write) evolution segfaults. Sometimes output to terminal
is as above, sometimes there's no output except notification of a
segfault.

I'm using Arch Linux 64-bit, Evolution 2.32.2, accessing two imapx
servers running locally on dovecot (populated and synced by
offlineimap). I have the evolution-mapi and external-editor plugins
installed as well (though I don't use the former currently).

Advise please. I cannot trigger this reliably, sometimes it runs for 10
minutes just fine, other times it just crashes the first time I switch a
folder or read a message.

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Re: [Evolution] I need help understanding this

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On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 12:50 -0800, Sebastian Powell wrote:
> New to GNOME and evolution and having trouble. Please Help.

You don't mention what you need help with.

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Re: [Evolution] Strange behaviour dealing with GMail

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On Sat, 2011-02-05 at 10:28 +, Michael Thompson wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-02-05 at 10:25 +, Michael Thompson wrote:
> > I have evolution set up to access my GMail messages. However, I have a
> > issue I need your help with.
> > 
> > When I move a message in Evolution to another folder, the message is
> > labeled as the new folder name in Evolution, and can be seen on both
> > GMail and Evolution. Its removed from the Evolution inbox. (But still
> > has both the inbox and other folder as a label in GMail)
> > 
> > However the next time Evolution syncs with the imap, it seems to remove
> > the labels for both folders. Hence the message completly dissapears. (It
> > can not be seen in Trash either)
> > 
> > Is there any way to solve this, or a Gmail quirk I have to live with?
> > 
> > Thanks for any help.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> Sorry, it actually appears in Trash with both labels. 


https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=78892

Gmail's IMAP implementation is non-standard. Their help should contain
all the answers you need, start at the above link.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution places quoted text in a table, when replying sometimes

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On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 22:55 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 13:32 -0500, Eric Morey wrote:
> > After some Internet searching, I found some references on mailing lists
> > about evolution dumping GtkHtml for WebKit dating back to 2006. So, I
> > have to ask if anyone knows of a plugin that overrides the default
> > evolution composer for a no frills plain text composer? 
> 
> Once upon a time (2.22?) there was an "External Editor" plugin. No idea
> what happened to it.

Still exists in the evo source tree, but marked 'experimental' (which
seems to be translation for 'kinda dead'). I'm using it right now on
2.32, so it still works up to this version).

If you're on Arch, search for evolution-plugins-experimental on the AUR,
I just put that up. Debian has their own (identically named) package.
Both provide this.

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Re: [Evolution] evolution-mapi and openchange - hard dependency on samba4?

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On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 07:08 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-01-24 at 16:48 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> > What I'm gathering from your answer is that I should really be asking
> > the openchange people? (sort of assumed they'd also be the evo-mapi
> > people).
> 
>   Hi,
> heh, not at all, those are very different people. :)
> 
> > For the record, openchange 0.10 is based on samba4-alpha13, that's the
> > combination I was previously using before I lost access to my mapi
> > account.
> 
> What does it mean "lost access"? Did you try to debug what is going
> wrong? Like with:
>$ MAPI_DEBUG=10 evolution &>mapi.log
> it's quite chatty, but may get you some pointers, as it shows raw
> communication between libmapi and your exchange server. Search there for
> the error and see who claimed. Maybe more details will be seen.

Sorry, 'lost access' means I no longer have a mapi account =). My
university stopped giving access using mapi.
> 
> > evo-mapi 0.32 is of course based on openchange 0.10.
> 
> Well, it isn't by default. Evolution-mapi is still depending on
> openchange 0.9. All above is sort of experimental, in a sense that
> evolution-mapi is ready for new openchange, but as it is not widely
> available yet, then it's not ready with all new features added in latest
> openchange.
> 
> > So my modified question is whether openchange 0.10 works with
> > samba4-alpha14. Should I bring this to another list/forum/location?
> 
> The easiest way is to try yourself, as I said in the previous mail, do
> "make samba-git" in openchange and see whether it survives or not. I'm
> really not sure whether necessary changes landed either in openchange or
> in evolution-mapi, to be compileable with latest samba4. Of course,
> openchange svn trunk works with the latest samba4 code.
>   Bye,
>   Milan

Hmmm, okay I'll just rely on user feedback then. If noone complains I
won't touch it =).

Thanks Milan

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Re: [Evolution] evolution-mapi and openchange - hard dependency on samba4?

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On Mon, 2011-01-24 at 09:37 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-01-24 at 16:22 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> > Does evo-mapi 2.32 (openchange 0.10) have a hard dependency on
> > samba4-alpha13? Would alpha14 work just as well (the Samba folk seem to
> > think so, but it doesn't seem to here).
> 
>   Hi,
> wasn't there an API change in openchange 0.10 (with compare of 0.9)?
> Maybe it's only reaching, though if not, then evolution-mapi 0.32
> doesn't have necessary changes, whereas the git master of it has, but it
> requires more recent evolution-related packages than 2.32.
> 
> Also note that the openchange itself has the dependency on samba4, not
> evolution-mapi. I do not know how you compile openchange, but if you do
> "make samba" in its directory, then try "make samba-git", if you wish.
>   Bye,
>   Milan
> 
> P.S.: as Andre said, your "doesn't work" is really too vague.

What I'm gathering from your answer is that I should really be asking
the openchange people? (sort of assumed they'd also be the evo-mapi
people).

For the record, openchange 0.10 is based on samba4-alpha13, that's the
combination I was previously using before I lost access to my mapi
account. evo-mapi 0.32 is of course based on openchange 0.10.

So my modified question is whether openchange 0.10 works with
samba4-alpha14. Should I bring this to another list/forum/location?

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Re: [Evolution] evolution-mapi and openchange - hard dependency on samba4?

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On Mon, 2011-01-24 at 09:28 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-01-24 at 16:22 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> > Does evo-mapi 2.32 (openchange 0.10) have a hard dependency on
> > samba4-alpha13? Would alpha14 work just as well (the Samba folk seem to
> > think so, but it doesn't seem to here).
> 
> If "it doesn't seem to here", being more specific is very welcome.
> 
> andre

Sorry about that. What I meant was that it seems to cause crashing
related to tevent. Unfortunately I don't have access currently to a
working mapi account so I don't have much to work on.

More specifically:-

With alpha13 - able to compile openchange/evolution-mapi, evo asks me
for my password
With alpha14 - able to compile similarly, evo asks me for my password,
but I've experienced at least one crash with a tevent-related error (but
all it says is that it can't find a specifica 9.10 version of tevent).

Thus I suspect alpha14 of samba4 not to be compatible, but would like
confirmation first.

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[Evolution] evolution-mapi and openchange - hard dependency on samba4?

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Does evo-mapi 2.32 (openchange 0.10) have a hard dependency on
samba4-alpha13? Would alpha14 work just as well (the Samba folk seem to
think so, but it doesn't seem to here).

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[Evolution] Where do I go to discuss evolution-mapi?

[Ng Oon-Ee]

Is this list appropriate for that?

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Re: [Evolution] learning to compile, need help with finding dependecies in Ubuntu 10.04

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On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 11:58 +1300, Victoria Spagnolo wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 23:43 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> > He seems to be trying to build a newer version than is available for his
> > version of Ubuntu. Which of course wouldn't work because various
> > libraries are not up-to-date (they're probably still at 2.30 or 2.28, no
> > idea where Ubuntu 10.04 is stuck at currently).
> 
> Thats right.
> 
> V

I left Ubuntu quite a while back, but I recall that the system isn't
very friendly in that sort of situation (compiling much newer versions
of big packages). Any reason NOT to upgrade to a later Ubuntu? 10.10,
for example?

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Re: [Evolution] learning to compile, need help with finding dependecies in Ubuntu 10.04

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On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 14:39 +0100, Thomas Mittelstaedt wrote:
> Am Freitag, den 14.01.2011, 18:48 +1300 schrieb Victoria Spagnolo:
> > Thanks to Thomas Mittelstaedt I have made progress. I have other
> > errors but I want to get all the dependencies first. I've solved a
> > handful using Ubuntu repos, but Ubuntu maverick has earlier versions
> > of these 
> > > configure: error: Package requirements (libebook-1.2 >= 2.32.2
> > >libecal-1.2 >= 2.32.2
> > >libedataserver-1.2 >= 2.32.2
> > >libedataserverui-1.2 >= 2.32.2
> > >libegroupwise-1.2 >= 2.32.2
> > >libebackend-1.2 >= 2.32.2) were not met:
> > Where do I find suitable ones for Ubuntu? (any tips for a beginner welcome)
> > Thx
> > 
> 
> What are you trying to do? On which system are you and what version of
> evolution are you trying to build?
> 
> Remember having responded to you last November:
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2010-November/msg4.html
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2010-November/msg5.html
> 
> It states there that you can do a
> sudo apt-get build-dep evolution to get the needed build dependencies
> for evolution installed.
> 
He seems to be trying to build a newer version than is available for his
version of Ubuntu. Which of course wouldn't work because various
libraries are not up-to-date (they're probably still at 2.30 or 2.28, no
idea where Ubuntu 10.04 is stuck at currently).

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Re: [Evolution] Building evolution plugins separately (WAS: filter && forwarding incoming mail)

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On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 16:19 +0100, Thomas Mittelstaedt wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, den 13.01.2011, 10:01 +0800 schrieb Ng Oon-Ee:
> > On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 14:17 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 13:30 -0500, Reid Thompson wrote:
> > > > do you have build capability -- the plugin itself is not very big
> > > > 
> > > I've built Evo in the past, though doing it in Fedora is much less
> > > automated than for Ubuntu (thanks to Paul's Makefile). However I prefer
> > > to use only yum repos to keep my system up to date where possible, and
> > > this plugin is not a showstopper for me. I only mentioned it because
> > > Matthias brought it up.
> > > 
> > > poc
> > >
> > On a related note: Previously I asked about the external-editor plugin and 
> > was simply told it was part of 'experimental plugins', which google 
> > revealed simply to be a Debian/Ubuntu package. Prompted by this 
> > conversation, I continued searching I found out that all these experimental 
> > plugins are simply part of the evolution source itself.
> > 
> > I'm currently typing in vim using external editor (Evo 2.32.1), having 
> > modified my distro's evolution package to compile that as well.
> > 
> > So a quick question, would it be possible to compile the experimental 
> > plugins without having to ./configure -> make evolution itself? This would 
> > allow me to package them separately instead of having to package an entire 
> > evolution-with-plugins package which basically duplicates my distro's 
> > package.
> > 
> > 
> > ___
> 
> Just go to the ../obj/evolution/plugins/external-editor directory and do
> make install. The configure step needs to be done from on top as far as
> I know. Then you can package the installed plugin in
> /lib/evolution/2.28/plugins - as far as I know.
> 
I tried that, but it requires libeutil (and possibly others), which of
course aren't built till I ./configure AND make on the top directory...

ngoonee@ngoonee-laptop ...olution-2.32.1/plugins/external-editor % make
LC_ALL=C /usr/bin/intltool-merge -x -u /tmp/notthere 
org-gnome-external-editor.eplug.xml org-gnome-external-editor.eplug.in
Merging translations into org-gnome-external-editor.eplug.in.
CREATED org-gnome-external-editor.eplug.in
sed -e 's|\@PLUGINDIR\@|/usr/local/lib/evolution/2.32/plugins|' \
-e 's|\@SOEXT\@|.so|'   \
-e 's|\@GETTEXT_PACKAGE\@|evolution-2.32|'  \
-e 's|\@LOCALEDIR\@|/usr/local/share/locale|' 
org-gnome-external-editor.eplug.in > org-gnome-external-editor.eplug
LC_ALL=C /usr/bin/intltool-merge -x -u /tmp/notthere 
org-gnome-external-editor.error.xml org-gnome-external-editor.error
Merging translations into org-gnome-external-editor.error.
CREATED org-gnome-external-editor.error
make  all-am
make[1]: Entering directory 
`/var/abs/local/aur/evolution-plugins-experimental/src/evolution-2.32.1/plugins/external-editor'
  CC liborg_gnome_external_editor_la-external-editor.lo
make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../../e-util/libeutil.la', needed by 
`liborg-gnome-external-editor.la'.  Stop.
make[1]: Leaving directory 
`/var/abs/local/aur/evolution-plugins-experimental/src/evolution-2.32.1/plugins/external-editor'
make: *** [all] Error 2
rm org-gnome-external-editor.eplug.in


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[Evolution] Building evolution plugins separately (WAS: filter && forwarding incoming mail)

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On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 14:17 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 13:30 -0500, Reid Thompson wrote:
> > do you have build capability -- the plugin itself is not very big
> > 
> I've built Evo in the past, though doing it in Fedora is much less
> automated than for Ubuntu (thanks to Paul's Makefile). However I prefer
> to use only yum repos to keep my system up to date where possible, and
> this plugin is not a showstopper for me. I only mentioned it because
> Matthias brought it up.
> 
> poc
>
On a related note: Previously I asked about the external-editor plugin and was 
simply told it was part of 'experimental plugins', which google revealed simply 
to be a Debian/Ubuntu package. Prompted by this conversation, I continued 
searching I found out that all these experimental plugins are simply part of 
the evolution source itself.

I'm currently typing in vim using external editor (Evo 2.32.1), having modified 
my distro's evolution package to compile that as well.

So a quick question, would it be possible to compile the experimental plugins 
without having to ./configure -> make evolution itself? This would allow me to 
package them separately instead of having to package an entire 
evolution-with-plugins package which basically duplicates my distro's package.


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Re: [Evolution] unsuscribe

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On Thu, 2011-01-06 at 16:51 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-01-06 at 22:48 +0100, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
> > On 6 January 2011 21:19, Adam Tauno Williams  wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2011-01-06 at 20:34 +0100, Haitabou wrote:
> > >> unsuscribe
> > > 
> > > me +7 - Oh man, I'm on a roll!
> > The problem, though, is that many probably doesn't read these threads,
> > but only see the "unsubscribe" topic and think that's the way to do
> > it. Is it impossible to block those messages and instead send an
> > automated reply to the sender when the subject is just "unsubscribe"?
> 
> But this subject isn't "unsubscribe", it is "unsuscribe".
> 
> Give up, be happy, and roll with it.  These types of issues aren't going
> to go away; trying to engineer them out of the system is a waste of
> energy.

Isn't that the engineer's job, though =p

And I think at least some of the 'unsubscribe' traffic (not this one at
least) is from automated subscribe/unsubscribe services at gmail or the
like (not that I've ever tried them, but I do see the relevant buttons
on the rare occasions I'm in the web interface).

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution Fedora 14 and Exchange server

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On Tue, 2010-12-28 at 23:55 -0700, Chris Kottaridis wrote:
> Recently my company switched to using Exchange 2010 from a very old
> version of Exchange. I was previously able to use the OWA Exchange
> option in evolution on my FC 13 host, but now that doesn't work and I
> got everything to work over to IMAP. Of course with IMAP I don't get
> Calender or the Global Address Lookup from the Exchange server.

Why not mapi?

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Re: [Evolution] Business Phone numbers do not appear in contact preview?

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On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 08:52 +0100, Patryk Benderz wrote:
> Dnia 2010-12-02, czw o godzinie 07:34 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee pisze:
> > Hi, I thought some of my phone numbers went missing based on this. Can
> > anyone confirm that it used to work?
> Do you mean that you can see "Business Phone" column in contact preview
> and it is empty, or you do not see this column at all?
> 
I do not see it at all. There's a 'Personal' area with related details,
but not 'Business' or 'Work' area.

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[Evolution] Business Phone numbers do not appear in contact preview?

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Hi, I thought some of my phone numbers went missing based on this. Can
anyone confirm that it used to work?

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Re: [Evolution] Can't save pictures; Can't forward pictures

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On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 17:05 -0500, timothy covell wrote:
> > My turn to rant, then =). You, I, and almost all users of Evolution are
> > not customers. Get that word out of your head and you'll see things in
> > Linux much more clearly.
> 
> That is exactly what Microsoft said. "Don't use Linux because they don't
> provide *customer* support."   Linus Torvalds et al do an excellent job
> of keeping a STABLE kernel available.  The desktop side of things has no
> such equivalent who cares about a consistently stable user experience.
> Linux was really great for me for about 10 years, but the latest
> versions of Fedora (core) and others seem to assume that people like
> using broken software (KDE4) or severely limit my system to make it user
> friendly (e.g. remove root access). 
> 
> Thanks again to all who helped.
> 
Did you pay for your install? If so, go get support from the people you
paid. If not, get the word 'community' into your mind, because that's
what linux users are. Nobody owes you anything just because you were
gracious enough to use the software they voluntarily spend time on.

Want customer support? Go purchase a Red Hat contract or something.

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Re: [Evolution] SPAM...

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On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 16:58 -0500, timothy covell wrote:
> People lit into me because I didn't want to subscribe to bugzilla.
> Yet, Bugzilla ITSELF warns people that if they sign up, they risk
> spam.  Don't rip on me. Rip on Bugzilla.  Thanks!

Oh come on, its 2010. Spam filters, anyone? I haven't seen any real spam
in my inbox for a year

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Re: [Evolution] Can't save pictures; Can't forward pictures

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On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 06:55 -0500, timothy covell wrote:
> I do prefer plain text.  But, a fundamental rule of program design is
> that an app should do what the user expects.  When I have received an
> HTML mail and I try to forward, I EXPECT it to forward as HTML.  So,
> in my eyes, this is a bug.  Alas, I've decided against submitting it
> because I don't want to risk any more spam exposure than I have already
> by subscribing to this list.

You use gmail. They've got possibly the best spam-filters in the world
(certainly among the free emails). What's there to be worried about?
> 
> Thanks to those who have helped.  And thanks to any people out there
> who have a sympathetic ear to what I'm saying.
> 
> Alas, there's no free lunch. You pay tons of $$ for Microsoft, or
> you spend a lot of TIME trying to fix/work around/figure out all
> of the things on Linux that don't work.  But, please Gnome/Evolution
> folks, don't thumb your noses at the customer as badly as the KDE
> folks did who broke most of my favorite apps, and have yet to fix
> them, years later.  KDE is still unusable for me as a desktop 
> environment.

My turn to rant, then =). You, I, and almost all users of Evolution are
not customers. Get that word out of your head and you'll see things in
Linux much more clearly.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution looks for Thunderbird-3.0.4

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On Sat, 2010-11-13 at 22:22 -0500, Paul Sanders wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> I just upgraded to Meerkat. When I rt. click on an email address in 
> Evolution to 'Send new message to' I get an error message:
> 
> "Failed to execute child process "/usr/lib/thunderbird-3.0.4 
> /thunderbird" (No such file or directory)
> 
> Ctrl +n, buttons etc work fine. Everything has worked up to and 
> including Lucid. Can't find a config file, or anything on Google. Any 
> help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks. Paul.

I assume you're using Ubuntu. This is an Ubuntu mime-type (default app)
issue, actually, better to ask at the appropriate forums.

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Re: [Evolution] Message Filter vs. Search Folders - Open Discussion

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On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 21:16 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 10:52 -0400, Reid Thompson wrote:
> > I tend to store no mail on hosted accounts and use fetchmail +
> > procmail to download and delete from server hosts.
> 
> Each to his own. I store almost no mail locally, that way I can get to
> it from wherever I am (from my phone, from a friend's house, from a
> public terminal while traveling, from both office and home.) Keeping
> your mail in your computer is so 20th Century :-)
> 
> (I already know the counterarguments, I'm just making the point that
> people use mail in different ways).
> 
> poc

Or you could also take the geek's way out of keeping your mail on your
IMAP server but also having a full local copy using (for example)
offlineimap =).

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and Gmail

[Ng Oon-Ee]

Let me first note that its confusing having multiple replies on the same
topic to various people all in a row =). Continuing below...

On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 08:53 -0500, Christian wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 17:43 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > >  Other e-mail clients has while
> > > Thunderbird has a custom setting having the Gmail trash folder used.
> > > That could be the other option for Evo: A custom setting for Gmail.
> > 
> > So because Gmail decides to break a standard, Evo has to program around
> > it?
> 
> In my opinion, yes although "has to" is too strong. Evo "should"
> consider the Gmail service so important to support that resolving this
> problem should be looked into. Fortunately there's now Thunderbird which
> has such a fix. I've used Evo for years but now through some projects
> I'm involved in I have to use a Gmail powered account quite extensively.
> I will check out Thunderbird and see how close to Evo it is in other
> ways and then make a decision what to do. Evo already has great support
> for Google calendar and address book. I do not understand why it
> shouldn't support Google's email also.

Good luck using Thunderbird. It is simple not comparable with
Evolution's feature set. In fact the ONLY way it outdoes Evolution
currently (IMO) is the way it handles threading.

If you want to handle gmail in this specific way, why not using
offlineimap as an interface between evo and gmail (I do this in order to
maintain an offline copy of my email at all times), it allows for 'true'
delete to be reflected to gmail.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and Gmail

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On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 14:42 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 17:54 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > Also you should consider the process that is necessary to delete a
> > message under the two schemes - for the Evo/IMAP model all you need to
> > do is a single "mark as deleted" operation over IMAP followed at some
> > later time by an expunge; for the "move to trash" paradigm you need to
> > do a "copy message to folder" (IMAP only has a copy operation), "mark
> > message as deleted in original folder", "expunge original folder".
> > The
> > killer is that the "expunge" operation is a time costly process, but
> > if
> > you don't do the expunge you will be left with lots of messages marked
> > for deletion in the original folder.  It may be OK if you are deleting
> > a
> > single message - but I often delete 100s or 1000s at a time...
> 
> +1
> 
> To the OP: just to be clear, you can't expunge a single message in IMAP,
> only an entire folder. This means that the paradigm of "delete by moving
> the message to Trash" *cannot* be implemented strictly by any conforming
> IMAP server, since IMAP doesn't have a "move" operation, as Pete says.
> Or to be more precise, it can be done if that's the only form of
> deletion you ever use (because the originating folder is being expunged
> for every deletion). The beauty of the IMAP model is that undeletion
> then becomes trivial: just remove the mark. You don't have to move
> messages around or remember where they originally came from.
> 
> poc

Just to add something everyone has neglected to mention so far

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=78755

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Re: [Evolution] Text not quoted when replying to multipart content type messages

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 3:54 AM, Christian
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am running Evolution 2.30.3 on Linux Mint 10. When I hit reply to
> multipart content type messages the original text is not quoted unless I
> select some of it. All I get is "On Sun, 2010-10-24 at 18:37 -0700, Ron
> Whoever wrote:" and then nothing except for the signature. Other
> messages (text/plain for instance) and Usenet posts are quoted as
> normal.
>
> Is this a bug or some obscure setting I do not know about?
>
> --
> //Christian

Previously asked (by me). Too lazy to look it up, but basically this
is fixed in 2.32 (I'm using that now). The reason is that that email
is HTML, go to the options and turn of 'attachments as HTML' or
something or other and it'll work. But you won't have that created
HTML attachment to be able to view the original HTML, you will have to
read in plain text.
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Re: [Evolution] Request: Publish birthday calendar as an .ics

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On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 15:35 +0200, Milan Crha wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 20:31 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> > A pretty simple (I think) request, could the 'birthdays' calendar be
> > published to .cache/evolution/calendar as an .ics file? I do that
> > manually, currently, but if it was done automatically in the same manner
> > as the google synced calendars that'd be much easier.
> > 
> > Usage - to display notifications etc. for birthdays, or to be read by
> > rainlendar etc.
> 
>   Hi,
> is it with 2.32.0 like with your previous messages, please? I suppose
> yes (also based on the ~/.cache path) so, then
> Edit->Preferences->Calendar and Tasks->General->Alerts
> [x] Show a reminder [ xxx ]  [ minutes | v ] before every
> anniversary/birthday
> may do what you want.

Hi, this I was already aware of, thank you =). I was more referring to
other apps being able to read the .ics, reminders is one possible
application.
> 
> With respect of publishing
> Edit->Preferences->Calendar and Tasks->Calendar Publishing and add there
> a publishing option based on your needs. Just note you shouldn't modify
> any internal evolution files there, thus rather publish to a new file
> and create a new local calendar pointing to that file, with Read only
> access to it.

Now that's something I never knew about =). Thanks lots, exactly what I
was looking for.

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[Evolution] Request: Publish birthday calendar as an .ics

[Ng Oon-Ee]

Hi,

A pretty simple (I think) request, could the 'birthdays' calendar be
published to .cache/evolution/calendar as an .ics file? I do that
manually, currently, but if it was done automatically in the same manner
as the google synced calendars that'd be much easier.

Usage - to display notifications etc. for birthdays, or to be read by
rainlendar etc.

Does this belong on the bug-tracker? If so I'll put it there.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution 2.32 update - Two 'On This Computer'

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 07:15 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> After upgrading to 2.32, I notice my contacts, calendars, notes, and
> memos all have two occurrences (in the left) of 'On This Computer', both
> with the default 'Personal' inside. In the case of the Addressbook (and
> I assume of the others as well), adding a contact to one makes it appear
> in the other.
> 
> Should I use gconf-editor to delete one of the occurrences of "On This
> Computer" from apps/evolution/{addressbook,calendar,memos,tasks}?
> 
> Also, where is this local addressbook stored now? Formerly I would just
> backup ~/.evolution for data, but 2.32 seems to not use it, instead
> using .local/share/evolution. This is in line with 2.32 changing to XDG
> Base Directories (http://live.gnome.org/Evolution/Planning232 and
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-hackers/2010-June/msg0.html ).
> 
> The second link seems to indicate I should find my addressbook data
> in .local/share/evolution/addressbook, which does not exist (the
> addressbook folder). Neither does .cache/evolution/addressbook
> 
> So, where can I find my "On This Computer" data? It doesn't seem to have
> carried over my pre-2.32 addressbook, but I can live with that.
> 

Additional note, on reboot of the computer the contact I added to the
local addressbook has disappeared. This would be consistent with my
observation that the addressbook does not seem to exist in any local
folder.

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[Evolution] Evolution 2.32 update - Two 'On This Computer'

[Ng Oon-Ee]

Hi all,

After upgrading to 2.32, I notice my contacts, calendars, notes, and
memos all have two occurrences (in the left) of 'On This Computer', both
with the default 'Personal' inside. In the case of the Addressbook (and
I assume of the others as well), adding a contact to one makes it appear
in the other.

Should I use gconf-editor to delete one of the occurrences of "On This
Computer" from apps/evolution/{addressbook,calendar,memos,tasks}?

Also, where is this local addressbook stored now? Formerly I would just
backup ~/.evolution for data, but 2.32 seems to not use it, instead
using .local/share/evolution. This is in line with 2.32 changing to XDG
Base Directories (http://live.gnome.org/Evolution/Planning232 and
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-hackers/2010-June/msg0.html ).

The second link seems to indicate I should find my addressbook data
in .local/share/evolution/addressbook, which does not exist (the
addressbook folder). Neither does .cache/evolution/addressbook

So, where can I find my "On This Computer" data? It doesn't seem to have
carried over my pre-2.32 addressbook, but I can live with that.

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Re: [Evolution] Evo 2.32 - 'hide message' function gone?

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 15:15 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 01:52 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> > I'm not sure if this is a packaging problem in my distro (Arch Linux),
> > but for some reason I can no longer 'hide message' or 'view hidden
> > message' under my 'View' menu. The corresponding keyboard shortcut also
> > obviously does nothing (alt-v-n).
> > 
> > Is this removed (didn't see it in the Gnome 2.32 notes) or was something
> > incidentally disabled?
> 
> Yes, it was removed in Evolution 2.32.
> 
> It was a confusing and poorly designed misfeature which conflicted with
> the state of the Show combo box above the message list.
> 
> Matthew Barnes

Thanks Matthew, that clears it up. Thanks for calling my attention to
that as well, it'll just about replace what I was doing manually.

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[Evolution] Evo 2.32 - 'hide message' function gone?

[Ng Oon-Ee]

Hi all,

I'm not sure if this is a packaging problem in my distro (Arch Linux),
but for some reason I can no longer 'hide message' or 'view hidden
message' under my 'View' menu. The corresponding keyboard shortcut also
obviously does nothing (alt-v-n).

Is this removed (didn't see it in the Gnome 2.32 notes) or was something
incidentally disabled?

Makes it really hard to read threaded messages when I can't hide older
messages.

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[Evolution] Side-pane Calendar View in evo?

[Ng Oon-Ee]

Hi all,

Is it possible? My screen's big enough (or rather my font is small
enough) that it'd be convenient to be able to have the normal Evo view
but with a side pane showing the calendar or a list of upcoming
events/tasks.

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Re: [Evolution] Sharing contact list

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Sat, 2010-09-25 at 09:14 +0200, Jean-Michel Pouré - GOOZE wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> What would be the best free service to share a contact list? 
> 
> Google support is limited in Evolution, there is no way to enter the
> name of a company for example. Please note I can also start-up my own
> service on a dedicated server of our own but I would prefer a free
> service "out-of-the-box".
> 
> Basically, I only need to access my contact list while I am away from
> the office.
> 
> Kind regards,

I use mobical.net, syncing with SyncML (syncevolution). The server is
really slow when accessed from the website though, so I'd recommend
accessing it from your phone by regular sync if possible.

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Re: [Evolution] "Reply" sometimes doesn't contain message text?

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 09:21 +0530, Akhil Laddha wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 09:18 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > When I click 'Reply' (or reply-all, or reply-list, or their shortcuts),
> > about 50-60% of the time the window which pops up doesn't quote the
> > email which I'm replying to, just the line
> > 
> > On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 09:57 +0900, Someone wrote:
> > 
> > And everything after it is blank. This doesn't happen all the time, and
> > happens more rarely on Mailing List emails than da-to-day stuff that my
> > friends send me.
> > 
> 
> looks similar to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=629046 
> 
> - Akhil

Thanks Akhil, that does indeed look like it. Just to wait for 2.32 then
=)

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[Evolution] "Reply" sometimes doesn't contain message text?

[Ng Oon-Ee]

Hi all,

When I click 'Reply' (or reply-all, or reply-list, or their shortcuts),
about 50-60% of the time the window which pops up doesn't quote the
email which I'm replying to, just the line

On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 09:57 +0900, Someone wrote:

And everything after it is blank. This doesn't happen all the time, and
happens more rarely on Mailing List emails than da-to-day stuff that my
friends send me.

It only happens some of the time, and I have no idea what to search for
in terms of bug reports, the closest I found is a 2007 bug which is
unrelated (and fixed years back).

Just to clarify, I know that if we have a small amount of text selected
only that text would be quoted. What happens in my case is that it seems
like only a 0-length character is selected. I have to manually select
the entire mail to quote it. And no, I did not accidentally select a
space or something like that.

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Re: [Evolution] Alternative shortcuts/external editor?

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 11:35 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 10:26 +0200, Milan Crha wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 09:13 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 16:43 -0400, Reid Thompson wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 16:11 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 01:01 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> > > > > > Also, and relatedly, with all bonobo dependencies removed does that
> > > > > > mean external editors and the like would be possible now? (possible
> > > > > > meaning infrastructure-wise, obviously someone would also have to 
> > > > > > code
> > > > > > it)
> > > > > 
> > > > > IIRC that's one of the features of 2.31.
> > > > > 
> > > > > poc
> > > > 
> > > > if you're building from source head, you can cd into the ...*/plugins
> > > > directory and make; make installthe external editor plugin.
> > > 
> > > Ah, so my partially-remembered bonobo-related information had SOME basis
> > > after all =). Thanks guys. AFAIK 2.32 is released in a couple of months
> > > anyway so I'll probably wait for my distro to package it.
> > 
> > Hi,
> > external-editor plugin is part of 2.30 too, go to Edit->Plugins and try
> > to find it there. Though if it's an experimental plugin (which I do not
> > recall), then maybe your distro doesn't compile it.
> 
> Not available here (Fedora 13), at least in the standard repos.
> 
> poc
> 
A quick google did show evolution-plugins-experimental as an Ubuntu
package. I think I'll just wait till its 'built-in', if its actually
happening on 2.32. Not too far away after all.

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Re: [Evolution] Alternative shortcuts/external editor?

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On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 10:26 +0200, Milan Crha wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 09:13 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 16:43 -0400, Reid Thompson wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 16:11 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 01:01 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> > > > > Also, and relatedly, with all bonobo dependencies removed does that
> > > > > mean external editors and the like would be possible now? (possible
> > > > > meaning infrastructure-wise, obviously someone would also have to code
> > > > > it)
> > > > 
> > > > IIRC that's one of the features of 2.31.
> > > > 
> > > > poc
> > > 
> > > if you're building from source head, you can cd into the ...*/plugins
> > > directory and make; make installthe external editor plugin.
> > 
> > Ah, so my partially-remembered bonobo-related information had SOME basis
> > after all =). Thanks guys. AFAIK 2.32 is released in a couple of months
> > anyway so I'll probably wait for my distro to package it.
> 
>   Hi,
> external-editor plugin is part of 2.30 too, go to Edit->Plugins and try
> to find it there. Though if it's an experimental plugin (which I do not
> recall), then maybe your distro doesn't compile it.
>   Bye,
>   Milan
>   
Not available here, I'll take a look at my distro's package to see if
its just a simple compile-option away =).

Thanks Milan.

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Re: [Evolution] Alternative shortcuts/external editor?

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On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 16:43 -0400, Reid Thompson wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 16:11 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 01:01 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> > > Also, and relatedly, with all bonobo dependencies removed does that
> > > mean external editors and the like would be possible now? (possible
> > > meaning infrastructure-wise, obviously someone would also have to code
> > > it)
> > 
> > IIRC that's one of the features of 2.31.
> > 
> > poc
> 
> if you're building from source head, you can cd into the ...*/plugins
> directory and make; make installthe external editor plugin.

Ah, so my partially-remembered bonobo-related information had SOME basis
after all =). Thanks guys. AFAIK 2.32 is released in a couple of months
anyway so I'll probably wait for my distro to package it.

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[Evolution] Alternative shortcuts/external editor?

[Ng Oon-Ee]

Hi all,

Keyboard-only navigation in evolution is kind of a pain currently. I'm
aware this isn't a big issue, just minor useability. I recall an old
project to implement vim-like keybindings, but that seems to have fallen
by the wayside.

What would be the easiest way to change the default keybindings? I'm
only aware of a method involving changing some gconf key to allow typing
a shortcut key while hovering over a menu to assign that key to that
menu. Is there any other more specific method?

Also, and relatedly, with all bonobo dependencies removed does that mean
external editors and the like would be possible now? (possible meaning
infrastructure-wise, obviously someone would also have to code it)

Ng Oon-Ee

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Re: [Evolution] Compositing Pet Peeve

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 18:33 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 14:25 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote:
> > > > P.S. Of course, I wouldn't see this if I weren't top-posting but
> > ppl
> > > > never see my replies when I interweave my responses.
> > > 
> > > Er, yes we do.
> > 
> > Yes. You certainly do just like everyone else here but none of my
> > clients do ;)
> 
> Your clients presumably aren't using mailing lists. The objection to
> top-posting is strictly in the context of Internet mailing lists, which
> tend to have many members, last for many years, and have all their
> traffic archived. In other contexts, do whatever seems best. I often use
> top-posting in private communications.

Perhaps Philippe should file a bug against his clients =p.

But yes, Mailing Lists seem to be the ONLY place bottom-posting 'works'
anymore. In private (long) conversations you have to explicitly state
"reply interleaved" at the top to get anyone to read it.

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Re: [Evolution] Strange behaviour of Ctrl-V

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 16:26 +0200, Kåre Fiedler Christiansen wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 16:02, Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 17:04 +1000, Nick Jenkins wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > I wouldn't mind if Evo took account of the data type *when pasting in
> > the attachment area*. In the normal text area, I maintain that it should
> > paste the URL, especially when the composer is in plain-text mode (which
> > in my case is 100% of the time). This strikes me as the natural thing to
> > do and one which is very easy to explain to the user. If not, the "Paste
> > Quotation" thing should at least change its name to something
> > meaningful, such as "Paste URL" (or does it have some other purpose?)
> 
> Ah. But the thing is, if you go to a file browser (like nautilus),
> select a file, and press Ctrl-C, then go to a compose window and press
> Ctrl-V, what behavior would you expect?
> I would expect the file to be attached. I would not expect a path to
> the file to be pasted.
> 
> The bug in chromium is, that it identifies a copied URL as if it was a
> file copied from a file manager.

I'd agree that when a user copies a 'file' he expects it to be pasted in
the conversation window as a 'file' and not as a 'path to a file', the
latter behaviour would only be desirable for the case you ran into, the
web URL.

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Re: [Evolution] mail client application

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 09:32 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Adam Tauno Williams
>  wrote:
> > > Message: 6 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 11:39:34 -0430 From:
> Patrick
> > >  O'Callaghan  To: evolution-list@gnome.org
> Subject: Re:
> > >  [Evolution] mail client application Message-ID:
> > >  <1277309374.23416.5.ca...@bree.homelinux.com>
> Content-Type:
> > >  text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > > On Wed, 2010-06-23 at 13:46 +0530, vijay singh wrote:
> > > > I am trying to write my own usr interface to access mail
> using
> > > > evolution,for the same i trying to crate account and
> trying to access
> > > > mail.
> > > I still have no idea what that means. Do you mean you want
> to write a
> > > new front-end to Evo that continues to use
> evolution-data-server?
> > > poc
> > > PS Please stop top-posting on this list. It makes threads
> unnecessarily
> > > hard to follow and annoys a great many people. Since you
> want to get
> > > your feet wet in email programming, start by showing you
> know how to use
> > > mailing lists correctly.
> > Yes i want to write my own front end by using EDS.
> > Can you please suggest me solution for my problem.
> 
> 
> Come on; if you insist on replying to digest messages at least
> TRIM YOUR
> @^&*&@$ REPLIES!  [Remove all but the bit you are replying to,
> you added
> two lines of content to over *400*].  It is in your own
> interest to do
> so, it would be very easy to entirely miss your additional
> content in
> the midst of the mass of unrelated text.
> 
> 
> That's all very well, but the larger issue is that he keeps replying
> to digests. This is completely unacceptable. He's already shown that
> he can post normal messages. There is NO excuse for continuing this
> abusive behaviour. Please don't encourage it by answering any
> questions embedded in quoted digests. I've called him on this several
> times now, and none of his responses even address the issue. He
> clearly is not listening or is not capable of understanding what the
> problem is. Until he wakes up and decides to follow normal list
> netiquette, my advice is simply to ignore him.
> 
> 
> poc

Ditto on that, he just did it again too.

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Re: [Evolution] LDAP Support - Messenger

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On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 20:21 +0200, Florian Götz wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I´m new to Evolution, but till now I´m really happy with it ;)
> A reason for that is the write support for LDAP adressbooks(great job).
> 
> I use an OpenLDAP Server (2.4.x) for storing my adresses. The scheme
> used is the evolutionPerson.scheme that comes with evolution. Everything
> fine so far, but the fields for the messenger information is greyed out.
> 
> With a local adressbook they are available. I browsed through the
> evolutionPerson.scheme and there is no entry for the messenger fields.
> Are those fields just missing in the scheme and already adressed in the
> code of evolution (so I could simply add the missing fields to the
> scheme) or is there no support for that stuff in the LDAP adressbook?
> 
> 
> Greets Flo

Sorry, don't know enough to answer your question, but I'd like to ask
what resources (if any) you followed for setting up your own OpenLDAP
addressbook. I've failed miserably (more than once) at this process
before, even with a day or so of effort each time.

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Re: [Evolution] WICD & NM

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On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 22:11 +0200, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
> 
> 
> On 31 May 2010 18:23, Robert K. Tompsett - N8JUQ 
> wrote:
> In reference to Evolution "Pete Biggs" What is the WICD and NM
> in reference to?
> -- 
> Robert K. Tompsett N8JUQ (SSgt.USAF/ANG Retired)
> President & CEO Cantankerous Coot Enterprises
> ICBM Address: 42°14'03"N, 85°53'30"W
> Grid Location: EN72bf; Elev.720'MSL
> 
> "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons because you are crunchy and
> taste good with ketchup."
> --
> 
> 
> 
> Well, "Robert K. Tompsett", NM and Wicd refers to two different
> network managers. 
> 
> Hope that helps.. 
> 
> Jo-Erlend Schinstad 
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Re: [Evolution] Trying to create Evolution-Exchange Account...

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On Sun, 2010-05-30 at 17:33 -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-05-30 at 17:09 -0400, Jerry LeVan wrote:
> > They are running Exchange 2007. I am currently using IMAP and it works
> > but I have to send email through my ISP.
> 
> I'm not sure why that would be: is it because your server admins don't
> allow sending mail via IMAP?  I can send mail via IMAP to our Exchange
> 2007 server and it works.

IMAP is for reading mail, SMTP is for sending (most likely). I've not
heard of IMAP being useable for sending email.

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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

[Ng Oon-Ee]

Thanks for wasting my time reading through your rant. Have fun with
kmail.

On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 15:34 +0200, Krzysztof Błaszkowski wrote:
> I know another joke like this and it goes as follow:
> 
> evolution user wants to write new mail to a recipient from address book.
> the recipient has a few addresses (e.g. company) let's say he has 3. btw
> it is not possible to assign more than 4, why ?
> 
> okay, user uses "contacts", selects right recipient and points some
> address in the middle of the list displayed in bottom right window (that
> one with contact's personal information).
> 
> user writes mail, sends it and oops, he notices that the mail was sent
> to 1st address from the list of all defined mail addresses.
> 
> then he opens contacts again and does a few tests which make him sure
> that no matter which address he pointed the mail composer would use
> always the 1st address from the list.
> 
> 
> Was it funny ? 
> I think it is far more than winder dll story because it is regarding
> qualifications of evolution developers. (some readers must be told this
> directly)
> 
> I found also a rule how these addresses are sorted and it is not
> alphabetical neither doesn't depend on position of email field from
> "open" form (that one for editing contact's properties). cool. it
> depends on something else. i will not tell.
> 
> 
> But more seriously. I reckon that such errors are not supposed to happen
> in a project which lasts for years. (i would make more allowances if the
> project started 3 months ago). Such errors show only poor code quality
> (people quality) and lack of QA or poor QA quality. (such people should
> be fired out).
> 
> 
> another my conclusion is that if Novell wants to sell SLEDx with such
> applications then i can say to Novell sales (and i bet not only me),
> sorry folks i will not spend a penny on such crap. (i hope if a few
> "coding" kids were fired then maybe others would do theirs job more
> carefully)
> 
> you may don't like words like "crap" or "rubbish" but have you ever
> thought if it changes something ?
> 
> i can tell you that it doesn't matter. evolution will not work better if
> you replace something you dislike by word like "a flaw". 
> 
> that's it. now i think about unsubscribing because it's a waste of time
> receiving more post. 
> 
> one more. openSuse doesn't have gtksudo (why ?) i had to use kdesudo
> otherwise i wouldn't even bother with Gnome. Ksnapshot is also far more
> convenient.
> Krdc too, will not mention Kdiff3.
> 
> i consider also moving back to Kmail (under Gnome of course)

> 


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Re: [Evolution] Can Evolution work with Exchange 2007 server and openchange MAPI proxi

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 16:39 -0700, Vinay Nagrik wrote:
> Hello Group,
> 
> Could someone tell me if Windows Evolution client can work with
> Microsoft Exchange server 2007.  And also if it can work with
> openchange MAPI proxy.
> 
> I will greatly appreciate your feedback.
> 
> -- 
> Thanks
> 
> Nagrik
> 

I highly doubt it, as the windows evolution clients that I've seen are
old, and the evolution-mapi plugin had not yet been developed back then.

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Re: [Evolution] Access to Contact List, Calendars and Public Folders with MAPI on an Exchange 2007

[Ng Oon-Ee]

You mailed me personally and not the evo-list. And importing an address
book is nowhere near the same as accessing it via Exchange MAPI, changes
you make locally should be accessible from other machines, that's part
of the whole point.

On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 14:58 -0400, William Heiland wrote:
> I believe that you have to import those by creating  a file, csv, ldif,
> pst, and then import it into evolution. Import is found in the file
> menu.
> On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 07:16 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 11:25 +0200, Bernard Lheureux wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > This is my 1st post on this list, I would like to know if there are 
> > > known issues preventing access to the Calendars, Contact List and Public 
> > > Folders of an Exchange Server 2007 with Evolution-MAPI that I use on a 
> > > Fedora 12 with version 2.28.3, the access seems to be ok, but all those 
> > > folders remains empty, and nothing comes from the server, but for the 
> > > mail, everything works correctly with the MAPI connection I've defined...
> > > This is the last think that restricts me from using Linux in our 
> > > enterprise, and for the moment, I'm still locked with my Windows 
> > > machine, the other one with Fedora 12 is up and running and works pretty 
> > > good for all except those features of the MS-Exchange accept which are 
> > > required for my work to be done correctly...
> > > Thanks to you all if you can help me solving that...
> > 
> > http://www.go-evolution.org/MAPIProvider/vsOWA
> > 
> > That's been my experience as well.
> > 

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Re: [Evolution] Maildir and dot hierarchy separator

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On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 08:39 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 11:34 +0200, Paul Ezvan wrote:
> > Le mardi 27 avril 2010 à 22:59 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan a écrit :
> > > On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 17:41 +0200, Paul Ezvan wrote:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > 
> > > > I am trying to use Evolution (2.30.0.1) on a Maildir shared through
> > > > CIFS. It works fine except that subfolders are not recognized.
> > > > 
> > > > In the Maildir folder the subfolders are named
> > > > as : .subfolder.subsubfolder etc, 
> > > > but they are listed like this in Evolution, so it doesn't display the
> > > > correct hierarchy.
> > > 
> > > AFAIK the Maildir hierarchy should appear as a real hierarchy of folders
> > > when seen from the client machine, i.e. folder, folder/subfolder,
> > > folder/subfolder/subsubfolder etc. From your description, it doesn't
> > > sound like that's what's happening, so the problem may be the way the
> > > CIFS filesystem is being accessed from your machine.
> > > 
> > > > Can Evolution recognize dot hierarchy separator ?
> > > 
> > > Not really relevant. Evo just uses the native filesystem hierarchy. It
> > > should never see "separators" in local folder names (including those of
> > > remotely mounted folders). Accessing a mail server with the IMAP
> > > protocol will show dots as separators, since that's how IMAP works by
> > > default, but that's a different matter.
> > > 
> > > poc
> > > 
> > 
> > Thanks for your answer.
> 
> It appears that Maildir does use the a.b.c format as you say. I wasn't
> aware of that.

And Evo does not support that particular format.
> 
> > The Dovecot wiki[1] says that Dovecot uses Maildir++ directory layout,
> > which uses the subfolder organization I described below.
> > 
> > So does Dovecot support Maildir++ directory layout ?
> 
> That's a question about Dovecot, about which I know nothing. Perhaps you
> should ask on a Dovecot list.
> 
> However, here's question I neglected to ask earlier: is your account
> actually configured to use Maildir (under
> Preferences->->Receiving Mail->Server Type)?

I use dovecot, but with an evo-style Maildir (need the fs: keyword in
mail_location). By default it supports the standard maildir format
though.

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Re: [Evolution] Access to Contact List, Calendars and Public Folders with MAPI on an Exchange 2007

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On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 11:25 +0200, Bernard Lheureux wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> This is my 1st post on this list, I would like to know if there are 
> known issues preventing access to the Calendars, Contact List and Public 
> Folders of an Exchange Server 2007 with Evolution-MAPI that I use on a 
> Fedora 12 with version 2.28.3, the access seems to be ok, but all those 
> folders remains empty, and nothing comes from the server, but for the 
> mail, everything works correctly with the MAPI connection I've defined...
> This is the last think that restricts me from using Linux in our 
> enterprise, and for the moment, I'm still locked with my Windows 
> machine, the other one with Fedora 12 is up and running and works pretty 
> good for all except those features of the MS-Exchange accept which are 
> required for my work to be done correctly...
> Thanks to you all if you can help me solving that...

http://www.go-evolution.org/MAPIProvider/vsOWA

That's been my experience as well.

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Re: [Evolution] evolution-addressbook-export - Couldn't load addressbook NULL

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Tue, 2010-04-13 at 07:02 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 21:53 +0200, Milan Crha wrote:
> > On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 21:17 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> > > Ironically, I was halfway through opening a bug when it started working
> > > again. I will update again if this stops working. Doing serious
> > > maintenance on this machine, including a total reinstall of packages
> > > (killed quite a few libraries in a hard crash), something must have gone
> > > right
> > > 
> > > Weird that you would have the error as well though. It works for me as
> > > of today, without any change in evo version. Would you know what libs
> > > are called for this particular function, I can check whether any of
> > > those was updated.
> > 
> > Hi,
> > it's trying to open your default or system address book when you do not
> > specify any, thus if the preference of the default address book changed
> > to a book which can be opened/is available, then it can probably work.
> > I'm just guessing here, though.
> > Bye,
> > Milan
> 
> I'm aware of that from my googling, but in my tests I ensured that the
> address book I wanted was selected as Default.
> 
> Perhaps a following restart of e-d-s did it, just maybe. Will re-post a
> new message/bug if I encounter this again.
> 
Closing off on this topic, I just today stumbled upon the man-page for
evolution-addressbook-export at
(http://fly.isti.cnr.it/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/man/man1/evolution-addressbook-export.1.gz?type=man)

The crucial thing I could not find out
from /usr/lib/evolution/2.30/evolution-addressbook-export -h was that
the -l option exported ID, name, number-of-entries and that the
[ADDRESSBOOK] was referred to by this ID (which seemed like a file-path
to me, probably because it IS a file-path).

In any case, for reference, if -l gives me this:-
[ngoo...@ngoonee-laptop ~]$ 
/usr/lib/evolution/2.30/evolution-addressbook-export -l
"file:///home/ngooneearch/.evolution/addressbook/local/system","Personal",567
"file:///home/ngooneearch/.evolution/addressbook/local/1248494207.1203...@ngoonee-laptop","Collected
 Addresses",119
"file:///home/ngooneearch/.evolution/addressbook/local/1248507467.1215...@ngoonee-laptop","Non-contacts",1

Then I should refer to the second address book by:-
/usr/lib/evolution/2.30/evolution-addressbook-export --format=csv 
file:///home/ngooneearch/.evolution/addressbook/local/1248494207.1203...@ngoonee-laptop



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Re: [Evolution] Removing attachments

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On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 08:35 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 17:51 +0530, Sarfraaz Ahmed wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 2:20 PM, RZ  wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I'd like to know if there's any way of removing an attachment
> > from a received email. I'd like to save the attachment
> > somewhere and then delete it from the email to save space.
> > 
> > 
> > Quite a silly suggestion.
> 
> Not at all. Several popular mail clients allow this, e.g. Claws. IIRC
> it's supported by the IMAP protocol.
> 
> > 1. Save the attachment on your local hard disk
> > 2. Forward the mail to yourself [ make sure you delete the attachment
> > from the email this time.] You could also do a reply to yourself,
> > instead of a forward.
> > 3. Delete the original mail.
> 
> The problem with doing this is that you no longer have the original mail
> but a copy with different source, arrival date etc. It's a kludge.
> 
> Of course the counter-argument is that by deleting the attachment you
> don't have the original mail either. This is probably not important
> unless the original is cryptographically signed, since the removal will
> of course invalidate the signature. As long as the user is aware of
> this, I don't see the problem.
> 
> poc

I use a local maildir to store my mails (retrieved through offlineimap)
and I'd just remove that part of the text file. Of course that probably
wouldn't help the OP, but its something which can be considered, I
guess. Not sure whether it would corrupt the mail, but I doubt so.

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Re: [Evolution] communication

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On Tue, 2010-04-20 at 23:21 +0200, montjoie wrote:
> I will to stop evolution als  newsletter
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Re: [Evolution] Time-zone problem (birthday calendar)

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On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 21:50 +0200, Milan Crha wrote:
> (resending to the list)
> 
> On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 21:13 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> > Hi Milan, seems the bug already exists
> > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611646
> > 
> > Sorry, didn't think this to be a bug (time-zone issue) as during the
> > upgrade to 2.30 on my side I was heavily messing around with
> > contacts-related stuff (basically syncing). 

My bad, sorry. On a plus note, applied those patches, and its working!

A quick question to round this up:-
Created commit cf243b3 in eds master (2.31.1+)
Created commit c0855fa in evo master (2.31.1+)

Created commit 687d30b in eds gnome-2-30 (2.30.1+)
Created commit e8745fb in evo gnome-2-30 (2.30.1+)

2.30.1+ means this will be in 2.30.1 when it is released?

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Re: [Evolution] evolution-addressbook-export - Couldn't load addressbook NULL

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On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 21:53 +0200, Milan Crha wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 21:17 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> > Ironically, I was halfway through opening a bug when it started working
> > again. I will update again if this stops working. Doing serious
> > maintenance on this machine, including a total reinstall of packages
> > (killed quite a few libraries in a hard crash), something must have gone
> > right
> > 
> > Weird that you would have the error as well though. It works for me as
> > of today, without any change in evo version. Would you know what libs
> > are called for this particular function, I can check whether any of
> > those was updated.
> 
>   Hi,
> it's trying to open your default or system address book when you do not
> specify any, thus if the preference of the default address book changed
> to a book which can be opened/is available, then it can probably work.
> I'm just guessing here, though.
>   Bye,
>   Milan

I'm aware of that from my googling, but in my tests I ensured that the
address book I wanted was selected as Default.

Perhaps a following restart of e-d-s did it, just maybe. Will re-post a
new message/bug if I encounter this again.

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[Evolution] Time-zone problem (birthday calendar)

[Ng Oon-Ee]

My calendars seem to show the right time information (syncing various
google calendars). However, the birthday calendar extracted from my
contacts spans 2 days (8 am till 8 am) because my time-zone is +8 GMT.

Any workaround for this (besides changing my time-zone to +0 GMT which
would mess up a whole lot of other things)?

Thanks,
Oon-Ee

P.S. - the google calendar synchronization works great!

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[Evolution] evolution-addressbook-export - Couldn't load addressbook NULL

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Hi all,

Basically this happens:-

[ngoo...@ngoonee-laptop /usr/lib/evolution/2.30]$ 
./evolution-addressbook-export --format=csv
(evolution-addressbook-export:25635): e-data-server-WARNING **: 
e_source_get_uri () called on source with no absolute URI!
(evolution-addressbook-export:25635): e-data-server-WARNING **: 
e_source_get_uri () called on source with no absolute URI!
(evolution-addressbook-export:25635): libebook-WARNING **: e-book.c:2245: 
cannot get book from factory: Invalid source
(evolution-addressbook-export:25635): evolution-addressbook-tools-WARNING **: 
Couldn't load addressbook NULL

This used to work (at least with 2.28), and I relied on this for my
merging script with my jpilot contacts database. Googling for the
various error messages tend to turn up 2006 information unrelated to
what I'm doing right now with 2.30.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Ng Oon-Ee

P.S. - Does anyone know of a command-line method of IMPORTING contacts?
Or are we expected to use evolution as a GUI-only app (severely
restricting what we can automate with our own scripts).

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Re: [Evolution] IMAP vs. POP

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Thu, 2010-03-18 at 08:32 -0500, C de-Avillez wrote:
> 
> 3. POP allows for offline access of emails (already received, of
> course), IMAP does not (but most clients will offer the option for
> local storage of email).

If you use offlineimap (great software!), you get IMAP offline anytime
you want, WITH the benefits of IMAP (for me, primarily that what is read
in one place stays read in another).

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Re: [Evolution] IMAP configuration

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On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 15:46 -0500, Jesse Lazar wrote:
> I have very recently switched from POP to IMAP. I have two configuration
> problems that are hopefully easy, however I am not seeing how to solve
> them. I use gmail...
> 
> 1) I get a duplicate of every sent message, that is two copies are saved
> in the sent mail folder. In evolution I set the sent messages folder to:
> myem...@gmail.com (IMAP)/[Gmail]/Sent Mail. I do not see any
> configuration in gmail to save a copy of sent mail. (I am not sending
> two messages.)

This was mentioned in a recent thread. Gmail automatically saves a copy
of sent mail, don't save your local copy in [Gmail]/Sent Mail.
> 
> 2) I cannot delete messages. When I delete them they are moved to the
> trash folder for the remainder of the session. They re-appear the next
> time I start evolution.
> 
> Thanks

Have you tried manually deleting them from the trash folder? If that
works, look at 'Mail Preferences' for your options.

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Re: [Evolution] download sent mail...

[Ng Oon-Ee]

2010/1/26 No more cries :
> ok... so bad...
>
> i'm sorry i'm french... i mean i send email at work, they stay on the
> server... and i would like evolution to bring them back in my email folders
> in evolution... don't know the words to say...repatriate the sent mails ?
> just like the received one ! when i receive mails at work, then i get back
> home, evolution download them... but just the received, not the sent !
> weird they didn't think of that case...
> maybe there is some equivalent that could do this ? because its important
> for me i get all the emails of the day in my folders once at home... not
> just the received ones..

Please don't top-post, makes reading disconcerting.

Anyway, its (I believe) part of the POP specification that only your
INBOX gets downloaded. Gmail by default saves sent messages in Sent. POP
is not a synchronization, so it only downloads one-way, therefore it is
not possible for you to use POP to download your sent messages. When you
send mail through Evolution, it saves its own copy (without talking to
gmail) in the Sent folder locally. Gmail then saves another copy in the
Sent folder it maintains

This is nothing to do with Evolution specifically, its just the way the
specification is written (and implemented by Gmail). IMAP supports what
you want, but you reject that idea. I think its easier for you to use
IMAP and solve your other issues than figure out a workaround for an
inherent implementation detail of POP.
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Re: [Evolution] download sent mail...

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 23:31 +0100, No more cries wrote:
> hello !
> At work, I send my email via the website www.gmail.com because
> evolution isnt installed on the computers and outlook is too slow... 
> But once at home, i'd like evolution to take back those sent email in
> the sent folders whereas the sent email of the day stay on the server
> and are not downloaded by evolution...
> how should i proceed, is there a way to get them all back ?
> thanks! 

Use IMAP instead of POP. If you insist on using POP, set a filter on
gmail which moves sent mail to your INBOX and a filter on evo which
moves it to Sent Mail (ugly, because you clutter your INBOX in gmail,
but if you don't want to use IMAP)

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Re: [Evolution] Sorely needed in all email programs !!

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On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Ty Tower  wrote:
> I downloaded some emails from the web address I have via POP
> When I got half through I backed up evolution, emptied it and downloaded
> the other half then backed that up . I had about 400 odd to backup
> somehow from Gmail and another 400 from Yahoo.
>
> Now I dont seem to be able to combine them.
>
> What we need is a nice simple backup procedure the just backs up the
> emails and attachments and can be added to and subtracted from without
> drama . Is in plain text and when I need an email I go there find it and
> print it out.
>
> Now before you reply , think about it . There is no way to do it now
>
There is, its called using maildir as a backend.
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Re: [Evolution] evolution connect to exchange 2007 crash, bugzilla closed?

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Thu, 2010-01-14 at 10:10 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > 
> > my current version is 2.28.2, it is the latest version for F12. What
> > the newer version could this bug fixed?
> > 
> 
> The latest development version is 2.29 which will eventually be released
> as 2.30 in F13
> 
> P.
Yes, please differentiate between 'latest available pre-compiled' and
actual developmental code which is being worked on.

Basically, it means for you "this is fixed, and will (probably) be in
the next release".

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Re: [Evolution] evolution connect to exchange 2007 crash, bugzilla closed?

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On Thu, 2010-01-14 at 15:13 +1100, L wrote:
> hi,
> 
> evolution connection to exchange 2007 CRASHED. I FILED A BUG REPORT,
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=550527
> 
> The status showed
> 
> 
> Status:CLOSED UPSTREAM
> 
> what this mean?
> 
> 
> 
> How to reproduce
> -
> 1.start evolution
> 2.create a evolution MAPI account,
> 3.at step authentication, crashed after type password
> 
> Attached file: backtrace
> cmdline: evolution
> component: evolution
> executable: /usr/bin/evolution
> kernel: 2.6.31.6-166.fc12.i686
> package: evolution-2.28.2-1.fc12
> rating: 3
> reason: Process was terminated by signal 11
> 
It means someone from red hat has taken a look at it, found a related
bug report in the evo bug-tracker, and noticed it was closed. Probably
means its been fixed, but in a newer version than what you have.

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Re: [Evolution] Help me with the Mailing List usage + Evolution filter

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Thu, 2009-12-24 at 12:28 +0900, nomnex wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-12-24 at 11:17 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> 
> > It's under the Message toolbar menu. Not sure what it works on, but
> > never had trouble with it before.
> 
> Do you mean: Message > Message List > Post to the list? that's for new
> post only, I was asking about answering a post (icon or right clic-menu
> in Evolution equivalent of Ctrl+L)
> 
> 
Message -> Reply to List

And no, there's no icon or right-click menu I believe. This will have to
wait for the new evo (as I understand its a lot easier to modify the
menu in that one).

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Re: [Evolution] Help me with the Mailing List usage + Evolution filter

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Thu, 2009-12-24 at 12:13 +0900, nomnex wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-12-24 at 10:46 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I just use Ctrl-L for "reply to list"
> > 
> 
> Does not work with your answer containing "CC:" field ,
> . Works with replies "CC:" field  only, and
> "TO:" 
> 
> Do I assume that Ctrl-L expects a) single address, or b) use the first
> address in the CC: field?
> 
> (for my information) Is there an toolbar icon or right-click menu
> "answer to list" available in Evolution
> 

It's under the Message toolbar menu. Not sure what it works on, but
never had trouble with it before.

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Re: [Evolution] Help me with the Mailing List usage + Evolution filter

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On Thu, 2009-12-24 at 11:42 +0900, nomnex wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 21:07 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> 
> > > Question type: if I want to reply to a user's message (from the
> > > Evolution mailing list), I have to use "Reply to All" vs. "Reply"
> > 
> > Don't.  Always reply to list messages on the list.  Always.
> 
> When I select "Reply to All", the message fields are:
> "To:" user email address
> "CC:" mailing list address
> 
> How did you achieve to reply my message directly with
> "To": mailing list address
> 
> How can I achieve the same result, without having to do it manually?
> 
> [Evolution 2.26/Linux Ubuntu 9.04]

I just use Ctrl-L for "reply to list"

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution search bar doesn't search in mails bodies

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On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 09:29 +0100, Alfredo Esteban wrote:
> Thank you very much for your quick response.
> 
> Where can I enable this option? I have looked for in GUI and xml
> configuration files and I didn't find it.
> 
> Alfredo

Don't top-post on this list please, especially when the message you're
replying to is bottom-posted

Click the magnifying glass in the search box to select 'message
contains'. Otherwise, in the Advanced Search dialog click on any of the
conditions to select another condition (your first condition is probably
'Subject').

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution search bar doesn't search in mails bodies

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Mon, 2009-12-14 at 17:13 +0100, Alfredo Esteban wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> When I use search bar, evolution doesn't find mails where the word is
> in the body of the mail. However, everything works fine if the word is
> in the subject of the mail.
> 
> I have the same problem when I try to configure advanced searchs.
> 
> Evolution version: 2.28.1
> Sever type: Microsoft Exchange (I access server via Outlook Web Access
> protocol)
> 
> Thank you very much,
> 
> Alfredo

Do you use the 'message contains' option?

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Re: [Evolution] No warning for message with no recipient in To: line

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Mon, 2009-12-14 at 10:28 +0530, Akhil Laddha wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 2009-12-14 at 11:38 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> > On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 10:39 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > 2009/12/12 Chris 
> > > Shouldn't there be some kind of warning when trying to send
> > an
> > > email
> > > with nothing in the To: line? I don't see one here. Now when
> > > trying to
> > > send one with only a recipient on the Cc or Bcc line I get a
> > > warning
> > > about nothing being on the To line but nothing when all
> > three
> > > are blank.
> > > Should this be reported as an Evo bug?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I don't have access to Evo at the moment so I can't check, but it
> > does
> > > look odd, especially since it complains about a mail with no body
> > > text. What version of Evo is this happening with?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > poc 
> > 
> > I can confirm it happens, I'm on 2.28.1 and just tried. Gotten caught
> > on
> > this once before but wasn't a big deal then (and isn't now) so I never
> > followed up.
> 
> The bug has been fixed in 2.29.x 
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=250046
> 
> - Akhil
> 
> 
Thank you for the good job done.

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Re: [Evolution] No warning for message with no recipient in To: line

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 10:39 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> 2009/12/12 Chris 
> Shouldn't there be some kind of warning when trying to send an
> email
> with nothing in the To: line? I don't see one here. Now when
> trying to
> send one with only a recipient on the Cc or Bcc line I get a
> warning
> about nothing being on the To line but nothing when all three
> are blank.
> Should this be reported as an Evo bug?
> 
> 
> I don't have access to Evo at the moment so I can't check, but it does
> look odd, especially since it complains about a mail with no body
> text. What version of Evo is this happening with?
> 
> 
> poc 

I can confirm it happens, I'm on 2.28.1 and just tried. Gotten caught on
this once before but wasn't a big deal then (and isn't now) so I never
followed up.

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Re: [Evolution] No warning for message with no recipient in To: line

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On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 19:47 -0600, Chris wrote:
> Shouldn't there be some kind of warning when trying to send an email
> with nothing in the To: line? I don't see one here. Now when trying to
> send one with only a recipient on the Cc or Bcc line I get a warning
> about nothing being on the To line but nothing when all three are blank.
> Should this be reported as an Evo bug?
>  
Yes, I believe it should, I've made that mistake before as well.

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Re: [Evolution] How do you install 2.29 on Ubuntu 9.10?

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 18:52 -0800, Bryan Karlan wrote:
> Thank you for all that.  I just figured that pre-release was a beta.  And I
> used Windows 7 beta for the last 9 months.  6 of which, it was far more
> stable than Vista.  So I figured this to be the same.  I guess not.
> 
> I have some changes that I want to recommend to whoever is designing this.
> It looks like Outlook, but is far less functional.  As such, it is not an
> outlook replacement.  But it is getting better.  Microsoft has made the
> current Outlook more fancy but only a bit more functional.  If you could
> keep the simple interface and bring in features that a business user like me
> would crave then I would take this program quickly.  
> 
> I have posted my desires for the improvements elsewhere but did not hear
> anything back.  Could you tell me where to post this?
> 
> Bryan

Evolution has a bug-tracker, I guess that's the best place.

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Re: [Evolution] How do you install 2.29 on Ubuntu 9.10?

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On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 14:07 -0800, Bryan Karlan wrote:
> I want to try 2.29 to see what it has improved upon.  I have little
> experience with Linux.  I have Ubuntu 9.10.  I have downloaded the
> file and have extracted it.  However, I find no install or setup file
> as you would in Windows.  I still can't understand why in Linux such
> simple things are made so darn complicated.  How can I figure this
> program out if I can't even figure out how to install it?
> 
> Bryan 

Perhaps you should figure out how things work in Linux? You need to
compile it. Compiling Evo isn't the simplest place/package to get
started on.

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Re: [Evolution] connect Evolution 2.28 to MS exchange 2007 on Fedora 12

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 15:14 -0500, Art Alexion wrote:
> Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 2009-11-21 at 08:35 +0100, Jean-Claude Tergal wrote:
> > > 2009/11/19 L :
> > > >>> One of main reasons for upgrade  F11 to F12 was to hope to connect
> > > >>> evolution 2.28 to Exchange 2007. After a smooth upgrade to F12. I
> > > >>> tried to connect evolution 2.28 with evo-mapi to M$ exchange server.
> > > >>> no luck at all, it crashed every time. The insttiute's exchange 
> > server
> > > >>> does not open imap port.   i you have sucessful connection, please
> > > >>> share with me
> > >
> > > I have a successful connection, but my compagny is using Exchange 2003
> > > ; and the evolution-exchange RPM of Mandriva 2010 says "Currently,
> > > only Exchange 2000 and 2003 are supported". So, it seems that Exchange
> > > 2007 is not supported at all ; I think you have to stay with
> > > VirtualBox, or use the bloody Outlook Web Access in Firefox.
> > >
> > > Nicolas
> > > Strasbourg (France)
> >
> > I have a successful connection with Exchange 2007. Evo-mapi crashes
> > immediately in release 2.28.0, you need 2.28.1 where the fixes are. I'm
> > not familiar with F12 or indeed anything about Fedora, but you may need
> > to talk to the maintainer of gnome/evolution/evo-mapi for your distro.
> >
> You are lucky.  I have 2.28.1, but evolution crashes as soon as I try to 
> authenticate.  Thunderbird works fine with DAVMail, but Lightning as the 
> calendar provider is quite flaky.  Evolution's caldav won't connect to 
> davmail at all.  Nothing seems to connect to the GAL.
> 
> So, I run Tbird/DavMail for mail and installed a stripped down version 
> of XP in virtual box, stripped it down some more, installed Outlook, set 
> the registry so that shell=outlook.exe, and am using it as a 
> calendar/addressbook appliance.  I am patiently hoping that 
> evolution-mapi will work as well as evolution-exchange some day and I 
> can go back to using a native Linux solution.
> 
> Evolution was the reason I ran gnome on my work machine. 
> 
> 
> 
I don't think it has anything to do with luck, I simply looked for a
version that works and compiled it. Various distros patch things up
according to my needs, mine doesn't so less possibility of introduced
bugs.

If you're okay with compiling from source, get the git of evo-mapi from
the 2.28.0 label and apply the next 4 patches in git, that's the ones
that fix crashing for me.


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Re: [Evolution] connect Evolution 2.28 to MS exchange 2007 on Fedora 12

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On Sat, 2009-11-21 at 08:35 +0100, Jean-Claude Tergal wrote:
> 2009/11/19 L :
> >>> One of main reasons for upgrade  F11 to F12 was to hope to connect
> >>> evolution 2.28 to Exchange 2007. After a smooth upgrade to F12. I
> >>> tried to connect evolution 2.28 with evo-mapi to M$ exchange server.
> >>> no luck at all, it crashed every time. The insttiute's exchange server
> >>> does not open imap port.   i you have sucessful connection, please
> >>> share with me
> 
> I have a successful connection, but my compagny is using Exchange 2003
> ; and the evolution-exchange RPM of Mandriva 2010 says "Currently,
> only Exchange 2000 and 2003 are supported". So, it seems that Exchange
> 2007 is not supported at all ; I think you have to stay with
> VirtualBox, or use the bloody Outlook Web Access in Firefox.
> 
> Nicolas
> Strasbourg (France)

I have a successful connection with Exchange 2007. Evo-mapi crashes
immediately in release 2.28.0, you need 2.28.1 where the fixes are. I'm
not familiar with F12 or indeed anything about Fedora, but you may need
to talk to the maintainer of gnome/evolution/evo-mapi for your distro.

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Re: [Evolution] removing my name from mailing list

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 13:12 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 12:56 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 11:45 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > > Maybe the list software [or even the MTA] can generate a bounce
> > > message back to any user who posts a message with "unsubscribe" in the
> > > subject that says something along the lines of "If your message was a
> > > request to be unsubscribed from this list please see the instructions
> > > at http://x.  Otherwise you may ignore this message, this is
> > > merely an automated assistance message."  I'd wager that would be much
> > > more successful.  How often to legitimate message have "unsubscribe"
> > > in the subject?
> > 
> > I won't catch the ones that say "Remove me from this lsit". Are we going
> > to forbid "remove" in the Subject? How about "delete", or "erase"?
> 
> Oops: should be "It won't" not "I won't". I have nothing to do with the
> list management.
> 
> poc

To complete the list of phrases above, how about 'stop sending me mail'
or 'don't spam me anymore' =)

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Re: [Evolution] evolution mapi issues

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On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 09:09 -0500, Art Alexion wrote:
> 
> On Oct 30, 2009, at 7:49 PM, "Ng Oon-Ee"  wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 15:05 -0400, Ben May wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 14:50 -0400, Art Alexion wrote:
> >>> My exchange account was just migrated to a 2007 server.  I  
> >>> disabled the 2003 account, and am trying to set up the 2007  
> >>> account with evolution-mapi.  Every time I get to the point in the  
> >>> new account wizard where I authenticate, evo crashes.  Here is the  
> >>> command line output.  Thanks for any help or suggestions.  I  
> >>> really don't want to use OWA, and I can't get MailDAV to recognize  
> >>> my java re.
> >>>
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >> I've never gotten evolution to work correctly with Exchange 2007. I
> >> ended up having to completely remove the evolution MAPI plugin  
> >> because
> >> all it did was cause evo to segfault.
> >
> > If this is Evo 2.28.0, you need the first four git commits after its
> > release, which fixes segfaulting on my system.
> >
> > Or get 2.28.1 (or get your distro to do that).
> >
> >
> 
> Not at work today, but I'm pretty sure it's Evo 2.26.1 (ubuntu 9.04  
> jaunty).  I plan to upgrade Monday. Is the mapi plugin more stable in  
> 2.28?

I used 2.26.1 also, it was partly stable in my experience. 2.28.1 is
rock-solid for me. As mentioned, 2.28.0 is (IMO) crap, but it was fixed
REALLY fast. Unfortunately due to gnome's release system, the fix was
only released at 2.28.1, unless you want to compile it yourself (that's
what I did).

I haven't touched my Buntu install for ages, so I have no idea what
version Karmic has. You should check, and lobby for 2.28.1 if you have
to.

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Re: [Evolution] evolution mapi issues

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On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 15:05 -0400, Ben May wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 14:50 -0400, Art Alexion wrote:
> > My exchange account was just migrated to a 2007 server.  I disabled the 
> > 2003 account, and am trying to set up the 2007 account with evolution-mapi. 
> >  Every time I get to the point in the new account wizard where I 
> > authenticate, evo crashes.  Here is the command line output.  Thanks for 
> > any help or suggestions.  I really don't want to use OWA, and I can't get 
> > MailDAV to recognize my java re.
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> I've never gotten evolution to work correctly with Exchange 2007. I
> ended up having to completely remove the evolution MAPI plugin because
> all it did was cause evo to segfault.

If this is Evo 2.28.0, you need the first four git commits after its
release, which fixes segfaulting on my system.

Or get 2.28.1 (or get your distro to do that).

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Re: [Evolution] Unreadable email from evo-mapi plugin

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Re: [Evolution] Unreadable email from evo-mapi plugin

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On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 04:50 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 11:10 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> > Precisely. Should I file an enhancement request?
> 
> No need.  I just committed the feature for 2.29.2:
> http://git.gnome.org/cgit/evolution/commit/?id=f43bc7ed11621ab41bbae861c81d4ddb8b5bb0ab
> 
> Matthew Barnes

Thank you. My original question on the unreadable .dat attachment still
stands though.

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Re: [Evolution] Why I must stop using Evolution

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On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 15:15 +, Harald Beck wrote:
*snip*
> (I also don't see why the operating system should have to do so much
> with editing an appointment in Evo.)
*snip*

Distro. Not operating system. Distros like Ubuntu basically select a
certain version of software and stick to it no matter what. Of course,
they don't do this randomly, but the hassle involved in changing this
version for something as integral to Gnome as Evolution means that if
you're using an old (or even current) Ubuntu version you're almost
certain to be running old Evo.

Add to that the fact that some distros (including Ubuntu) like to add
their own patches for perceived problems in the software and you begin
to see why the distro does make a big difference. Something simple like
misconfiguration (ex. Pulseaudio in 8.04) or the patches introducing
bugs.

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Re: [Evolution] Unreadable email from evo-mapi plugin

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On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 23:02 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 09:18 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> > On a slightly related note, why is it that the Forward button doesn't
> > have a simple way for us to select whether to forward as an attachment
> > or inline? Not too difficult to go into the menus to change it, but
> > wouldn't it be better to have a small drop-down arrow where this can
> > be selected?
> 
> Next to the forward button in the toolbar you mean?  With Bonobo finally
> gone, we can easily do that now.  This is a good example of the kind of
> simple enhancements that Bonobo was preventing us from doing for years.
> 
> Matthew Barnes

Precisely. Should I file an enhancement request?

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[Evolution] Unreadable email from evo-mapi plugin

[Ng Oon-Ee]

Hi all,

I get some unreadable .dat files when using evo-mapi to access my
exchange 2007 account, is this expected? Forwarding an example here.

On a slightly related note, why is it that the Forward button doesn't
have a simple way for us to select whether to forward as an attachment
or inline? Not too difficult to go into the menus to change it, but
wouldn't it be better to have a small drop-down arrow where this can be
selected?
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Re: [Evolution] Moving from Claws-Mail (pop/maildir) to Evo

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 00:37 -0500, Chris wrote:
> Thanks everyone. While some didn't understand what I meant (my fault
> for not articulating) others did but gave indirect answers.
> 
> The goal (for redundancy and clarity) was to move away from Claws
> (that happens to store my retrieved pop mail in maildir format) to
> Evolution (providing that it did the same, retrieve my pop mail and
> store it in maildir format) without the use of other programs (case in
> point fetchmail, procmail and or what have you).
> 
> It's looking more and more like this is not a supported (as far as I
> can tell) feature and may not be a wanted one.
> 
> That being said, I do want to thank all that replied. It just seems at
> this point in time, Evolution still is not the app for me to use.
> 
> For now, Claws and Sunbird will have to do (mind you, both are great
> products, I would have liked to use the suite that comes with Evo).

I'm unsure why you have the (seemingly artificial) limitation that the
app should not use 'other programs'. One of the biggest advantages of
linux is the usage of targetted applications for each task, in this
case, one application (perhaps fetchmail) handles downloading mail and
the other (evolution) handles the reading of that mail. Evolution can
access a maildir just fine.

Having said that, you know your own requirements. I just wished to point
out that the requirement 'without the use of other programs' is
artificial and pointless in my opinion.

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Re: [Evolution] Moving from Claws-Mail (pop/maildir) to Evo

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 11:27 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-10-25 at 10:29 -0500, Chris wrote:
> > I wish to move from Claws-Mail to Evo. My Claws is setup to make use
> > of maildir format of storing mail.
> > 
> > I would like to use Evo (pop) and have it store in the same format. I
> > understand that the default is mbox - can I change this? If so, please
> > let me know.
> 
>   Hi,
> you cannot change it, unfortunately. You can create a maildir account
> and a message filter which will move all your incoming mails to that
> account, as a workaround.
>   Bye,
>   Milan
You can also serve up your existing maildir store using dovecot or
similar. Fetchmail or offlineimap or similar to get your new mail.

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Re: [Evolution] Reliable Palm device?

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Sun, 2009-10-18 at 21:53 -0700, Simon Roberts wrote:
> 
> - Original Message 
> > From: Ng Oon-Ee 
> > To: Christopher M Bailey 
> > Cc: Simon Roberts ; Evolution e-list 
> > 
> > Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 3:57:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Evolution] Reliable Palm device?
> > 
> > On Sun, 2009-10-18 at 18:54 +1100, Christopher M Bailey wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 22:50 -0700, Simon Roberts wrote:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > 
> > > > I've never had great luck with palm devices and Evolution. Partly, 
> > > > perhaps, 
> > because I'm using versions that come with distros (usually either SuSE or 
> > Ubuntu) and they're never "the latest".
> > > > 
> > > > Anyway, my girlfriend has been clinging to windows because of my 
> > > > inability 
> > to make Linux behave properly with her palm, but now her palm has died. So, 
> > I 
> > figure maybe now is the time to influence her purchase and try to get her 
> > to buy 
> > one that is known to be rock solid with Evolution (including "not the 
> > latest" 
> > versions).
> > > > 
> > > > What should she get? She doesn't need a fancy one, and doesn't want to 
> > > > spend 
> > a bunch on it. But it must be reliable, and must work 100% with Linux.
> > > > 
> > > > Indeed, is this the right list, or should I direct this question 
> > > > elsewhere?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > Simon
> > > > 
> > > >  "You can tell whether a man is clever by his answers. You can tell 
> > > > whether 
> > a man is wise by his questions." — Naguib Mahfouz
> > > If you want something solid with Linux, would a net book do the job? Or
> > > are you looking more at a smart phone?
> > 
> > Considering this is the evo-list... The only 100% reliable palm
> > synchronization app I've found on Linux is J-Pilot (honest response,
> > don't flame please). Evo syncs well enough, but data goes missing
> > (birthdays and addresses mainly).
> > 
> > The type of Palm shouldn't really matter, you're going to be getting an
> > OS5 anyway (unless you're looking at the Palm Pre and up, with WebOS,
> > then its a totally different ballgame, no Linux sync yet I believe).
> > 
> > What I do is use JPilot to sync, and I have my own script which I run
> > from time to time to export an address book to Evo. Not the best of
> > solutions, but it works for me. Also I don't sync calendars...
> 
> Ah, yeah, I use JPilot myself, but she needs calendars as well as address 
> book,, and is accustomed to running those in the same app as mail. Might be 
> able to work on the accustomed style thing, but we'll see.
> 
> Thanks,
> Simon
> 
I'm not sure what the export options are for j-pilot, but I believe it
shouldn't be hard to dump the j-pilot calendar in the same way as the
contact database.

If you're using the newer Contacts type database, jpilot 1.6.2 doesn't
support dumping it to a script, I submitted a patch for that but there's
no new version yet. Ask on the jpilot list if you're interested in that.


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Re: [Evolution] Reliable Palm device?

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On Sun, 2009-10-18 at 18:54 +1100, Christopher M Bailey wrote:
> On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 22:50 -0700, Simon Roberts wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I've never had great luck with palm devices and Evolution. Partly, perhaps, 
> > because I'm using versions that come with distros (usually either SuSE or 
> > Ubuntu) and they're never "the latest".
> > 
> > Anyway, my girlfriend has been clinging to windows because of my inability 
> > to make Linux behave properly with her palm, but now her palm has died. So, 
> > I figure maybe now is the time to influence her purchase and try to get her 
> > to buy one that is known to be rock solid with Evolution (including "not 
> > the latest" versions).
> > 
> > What should she get? She doesn't need a fancy one, and doesn't want to 
> > spend a bunch on it. But it must be reliable, and must work 100% with Linux.
> > 
> > Indeed, is this the right list, or should I direct this question elsewhere?
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > Simon
> > 
> >  "You can tell whether a man is clever by his answers. You can tell whether 
> > a man is wise by his questions." — Naguib Mahfouz
> If you want something solid with Linux, would a net book do the job? Or
> are you looking more at a smart phone?

Considering this is the evo-list... The only 100% reliable palm
synchronization app I've found on Linux is J-Pilot (honest response,
don't flame please). Evo syncs well enough, but data goes missing
(birthdays and addresses mainly).

The type of Palm shouldn't really matter, you're going to be getting an
OS5 anyway (unless you're looking at the Palm Pre and up, with WebOS,
then its a totally different ballgame, no Linux sync yet I believe).

What I do is use JPilot to sync, and I have my own script which I run
from time to time to export an address book to Evo. Not the best of
solutions, but it works for me. Also I don't sync calendars...

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Re: [Evolution] evolution 2.28 starts automatically in off-line mode! howto change that?

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On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 13:22 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > 
> > After upgrading to 2.28 in Debian SID evolution does no longer start in
> > on-line mode, but in off-line mode. I have look into preferences and the
> > manual but was unable to find a way to change this behaviour. Can
> > someone please point me to a successfull solution?
> > 
> Do you have NetworkManager running?  Evo uses NetworkManager to
> determine if the machine is on- or off-line and adjusts its status
> accordingly.  I *thought* that if NM wasn't active it just ignored it,
> but some of the logic may have changed in the new version.
> 
> P.

I can confirm that on my 2.28 (no networkmanager in sight, not even
installed) it does NOT start in off-line mode. Perhaps if its installed
and idle?

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Re: [Evolution] Reply-To: field on the evolution list

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On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 20:06 -0500, Matthew Barnes wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 19:56 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > There is an outstanding request (from many years ago) for
> > user-configurable keyboard shortcuts, which for some reason never seem
> > to get any attention from the devels. I guess once they do that then a
> > customizable icon bar (which Firefox and Thunderbird already have)
> > would be next.
> 
> See my previous comments on this:
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2009-August/msg00149.html
> 
> With Bonobo finally out of the way, you'll get the configurable keyboard
> shortcuts in 2.29.1, and customizable toolbars are now feasible (but not
> yet a priority -- we've got some bigger fish to fry first).
> 
> Also, I and I think most of the other developers -do- read the list.  We
> just tend to refrain from participating in the same tired old arguments
> about email etiquette and how the project is going down the tubes.
> 
> That said, a little more reassurance from us that we're still here and
> we're listening would not be a bad thing.
> 
> Matthew Barnes

A random idea, why not put a FAQ somewhere on the Gnome website to that
effect, and people can just be referred to it when questions arise about
devs reading this list.

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Re: [Evolution] Reply-To: field on the evolution list

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 16:08 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 23:56 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 15:38 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> > > There should be one.  That is of the form:
> > >   Reply-To: evolution-list@gnome.org
> > > 
> > > Recently (and not for the first time) I hit Reply to a posting rather
> > > than Reply-to-All, and send a message to a poster when I meant to send
> > > it to the list.
> > > 
> > 
> > It's another religious issue - as I see it, the message in your inbox is
> > "From:" a person, so hitting reply should make that reply go to that
> > person, not to a few thousand other people as well.  I've seen worse
> > embarrassing miss-posts on mailing lists set with the Reply-To: header
> > of the type you suggest than the mild annoyance that you got when your
> > mail went to an individual rather than the list.
> 
> I see your point and take back my request.
> 
> > If you want the message to go to the mailing list, hit "Reply To
> > List" (Ctrl-L), not "Reply to All", that will make your reply go to the
> > proper place as derived from the mail headers and makes sure the person
> > you are replying to doesn't get two copies.  (Another bit of netiquette
> > that seems to be forgotten about.)
> 
> Thanks for the magic.  I'll use it in the future.  What would be
> *really* nice would be for evolution (this list is about evolution) to
> have a icon for this purpose in the panels at the top of the windows.
> What would be *really* *really* nice would be to allow the user to
> choose which icons appear in these panels.
> 
> jon

+1 for an icon for this purpose. I've never know there was this feature
(hence always using reply-to-all instead). Of course, now that its been
mentioned I kick myself for not reading the 'Messages' tab properly...

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Re: [Evolution] stability/DavidL

[Ng Oon-Ee]

On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 18:09 -0700, bg wrote:
> 
> Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
> 
> > I've found that for multi-part messages, if instead of clicking
> > 'Reply' (or 'Reply to all'), you select the text of the message and then
> > click the appropriate button, it replies properly to the text, meaning
> > no dotted box and no problems formatting. Try it out.
> 
> bg:
> 
> I did, just now, and it didn't fly. Maybe my version of Evo is
> too ancient (a distinct possibility) or maybe I'm not understanding the
> instructions. I highlighted the entire block in the original message as
> received, and assumed that by "the appropriate button"
> you meant "REPLY". Smacking that with the original selected, though
> it did shift me, as expected, into REPLY EDIT mode,  did *not*
> banish the dotted line box around the text, nor any of the
> formatting as near as I could determine.
> 
> Brewster


Try with just one part of the message. Start with a single paragraph.
I'm not sure exactly what its doing, but generally works for me when
replying to emails from product suppliers, only reply to their own part
(which is generally text) while ignoring all the advertorials which make
up 90% of the email.

So, if the email looks like:-

-

XXX has said:-



/* LOTS OF COLOURFUL ADVERTS */

-

I'd just highlight the part labelled .

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Re: [Evolution] stability/DavidL

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On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 10:02 -0700, bg wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 09:48, David L wrote:
> > This only happens with
> > certain emails... these emails get a little dotted box around
> > the text of the original message whenever I click anywhere
> > in the message.  Any ideas?
> 
> bg:
> 
> I wish I knew an answer to that, but I doubt there is one.
> As near as I can tell, the dotted-line box is an artifact of
> the sender, who has chosen to format their message in other
> than plain old unvarnished ASCII text, apparently in a
> desire to make their emails "prettier", or perhaps just from
> general cluelessness.
> 
> The latter category might benefit from some remediation.
> The former should just be disemboweled and their messy corpses
> left in the ditch as a caution to others. Which would include
> any and all users of "IncrediMail", if it's still around :-)
> 
> Brewster

I've found that for multi-part messages, if instead of clicking
'Reply' (or 'Reply to all'), you select the text of the message and then
click the appropriate button, it replies properly to the text, meaning
no dotted box and no problems formatting. Try it out.

Of course, all formatting is lost (even paragraphing), but if they
didn't send you a well-formatted email, why not return the favour. Works
with forwarding too.

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Re: [Evolution] stability

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On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 00:54 -0400, B. Joshua Rosen wrote:
> Evolution has been essentially unusable for almost a year. I'm still on
> Fedora 9 because it has Evolution 2.22 which is the last working
> release, they wemt to SQLite after that which completely broke the
> virtual folders. 
> 
> Are there any developers still working on Evolution? I can't understand
> how it could be so completely broken for so long unless it's been
> abandoned.

First, please don't top-post.

Secondly, I've been using evolution's latest versions and haven't had
stability problems. It may be broken for you, but that doesn't indicate
a general breakage for every user.

This thread is going nowhere.

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Re: [Evolution] connect to echange 2007 Brutus server HOW-TO

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On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 15:58 +1100, L wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> My system is
> 
> Name: evolutionRelocations: (not relocatable)
> Version : 2.24.5Vendor: Fedora Project
> Release : 2.fc10Build Date: Mon 01 Jun
> 2009 11:17:43 PM EST
> Install Date: Mon 20 Jul 2009 06:45:36 PM EST  Build Host:
> x86-3.fedora.phx.redhat.com
> 
> on fedora 10 X86_64.
> 
> I can't find mapi for this evolution version. some suggest using
> brutus server. I can't find how to set up this?
> 
> any help?
> 
> thanks
> 
> Y

evolution-mapi was only workable for 2.26 and above. I recommend
upgrading your distro to latest stable, I believe for Fedora its 11
currently.

Brutus server, as far as I can recall, needs you to have a windows
machine somewhere. It may be easier to ask your IT admin to allow IMAP
connections to the exchange server.

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Re: [Evolution] evolution-mapi broken in Ubuntu Karmic

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On Fri, 2009-10-02 at 00:28 +0200, Thomas Novin wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 11:02 -0500, steve carl wrote:
> > 2.28 made it there a couple days later, although it is not working for
> > me yet:
> > 
> > here are the packages I have as of today (October 1st: Beta due
> > today!)
> > 
> > ii  evolution-mapi   0.28.0-0ubuntu1
> > Evolution extension for MS Exchange 2007 ser
> > ii  libexchangemapi1.0-0 0.28.0-0ubuntu1
> > Client library for accessing MAPI servers
> > ii  libmapi0 1:0.8.2+svn1423-1ubuntu1
> > Client library for the MAPI protocol
> > 
> > And here are the bugs I have filed on the MAPI related failures /
> > crashes
> > 
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/438247
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/436751
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/434907
> > 
> > At the end of it all, while I am not experienced at reading the
> > tracebacks and dump info, it appears to me to all be one basic bug
> > where Evolution, via MAPI, is trying to read from a non-readable
> > Virtual Memory Area (VMA). 
> > 
> > That seems a bit odd to me, as I would not have thought Evolution
> > would be directly involved in memory management, so I am guessing
> > something in MAPI is not compiled against the correct version of
> > something. Maybe a security permission is not there? Who knows...
> > 
> > Bugs are marked as medium right now, but they are keeping me from
> > being able to use MAPI against Exchange 2007 at all. 
> > 
> 
> Same for me. I am able to start Evolution (fresh install in VirtualBox),
> configure my Exchange-account and also download all headers. As soon as
> I try to download a message Evolution crashes though.
> 
> Rgds

I had similar, but this was fixed in the following GIT commits:-
Bug #595480 - Crash on GAL retrieval
Bug #595355 - Crash on header parsing
Bug #595260 - crash in mapi_sync_deleted
Bug #588453 - Slow retrieval of message IDs

If you're able to compile from source, you could check if that fixes.
Else, you'd have to wait for 0.28.1 to come out.

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Re: [Evolution] Sig placement [Was: newbie questions]

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On Sun, 2009-09-27 at 14:09 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > - Is there a way to make my signature appear in every email without
> > having to explicitly pick it? Also, if I am replying to a message it
> > appears to put my sig at the bottom of the entire message, whereas I
> > want to appear at the bottom only of my text. 
> 
> Arg!  That means you are top-posing - please use e-mail correctly.
> 
> Anyway, in composer preferences / general I think "keep signature above
> the original message on replying" does what you want.  But this is in
> the "Top Posting (Not Recommended)" sub-section.  Note the "Not
> Recommended".  Signatures *ALWAYS* belong at the *END* of the message.

Excuse me for butting in on this thread, but as much as I'm aware of the
'natural-ness' of bottom-posting and its usefulness for long threads, I
believe top-posting is still a relatively common general choice for
emails. While generality doesn't translate to correctness, shouldn't
such a choice be up to the user(s) who are in communication? Doesn't
seem the place of an email client to 'dictate' (in a minor sense) to the
user the right way to send his/her mails.

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Re: [Evolution] evolution fails to start

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On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 06:35 -0400, Glen Tupling wrote:
> I have a copy of the evolution folder, if someone can tell me how to import
> it into a new installation of evolution, that would be wonderful.

For starters, please don't top post. It irritates a majority here.

Assuming its a complete copy, you shouldn't need to import, just paste
it whole-sale and it should work.

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Re: [Evolution] Replies to text + html e-mail

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On Wed, 2009-09-09 at 18:54 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-09-09 at 18:22 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 15:28 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > > I only send text/plain e-mail.  But I get lots of text/plain + text/html
> > > messages.  But when I go to reply to these messages Evolution still
> > > seems to be replying to the text/html part and not the text/plain part;
> > > for instance quoting is weird, occasionally there are unremovable blank
> > > lines, etc...  Editing the reply message can be frustrating.  Is there a
> > > setting to reply using the text/plain part?
> > Do you have Edit->Preferences->Mail Preferences->HTML Messages->HTML
> > Mode set to Prefer Plain?
> 
> It is set to Only-ever-show-PLAIN

I can confirm the OP's situation, it does not seem possible to specify
that your reply email to an email with HTML be in plain text. I'm using
'Prefer Plain' myself, and I resort to copy-pasting the contents of the
mail into a newly composed mail. In my case, the combination of a dark
theme with white words and users who email me with white backgrounds
makes some of my replies 'typing blind'.

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