Re: [Evolution] Evolution Editor needs serious attention
> > > Personally I find Evo's built-in search perfectly > > > adequate, though I keep the entire list in an IMAP folder and never > > > delete anything, which might not suit everyone. > > So I'm not the only one to do that :-) 17 years of Evolution list > > messages ... > > Nope, and that's sorta the point. I have 'private' archives of lists > stretching back years - it is far more effective than searching-the- > internet [which brings in all manner of noise, duplicates, questions > with no solutions]. > Yes of course. How silly of me. I should have subscribed to the list some 15 or 17 years ago, because you know, I might need some solution now. Err... please excuse my sarcasm. What you wrote might work for you if you provide the solutions to those who seek help. For people like me there is again no other way than to ask. You know, you kinda brought over my point even better than I could, in two ways: 1. Google did NOT bring up the solution for my current question, only an outdated way. I don't remember what I searched for, though, I am quite sure it did not contain "debug" but something like "evolution stuck on fetching pop3 mail" or so. 2. A public archive - like a forum, or in this case, the list archive - can be searched for solutions by each individual. One question I totally cannot answer for myself easily is, tho: Why do I find a forum way more attractive, more helpful, better browseable? One point might be if a list archive can only be accessed via the standard tree view (aka clickathon), while you simply scroll your way through a forum. Another is the retro charm of said view. Probably there is more to it. Maybe also the fact that I used mailing lists some n years ago where n>10 and at some point I (or the internet around me?) "evolved" into forums? Just my 0.02€ Funny where this discussion turned, no? EDIT: I just stumbled over: http://gnome-evolution-general.1774414.n4.nabble.com/Stuck-on-fetching-POP3-mail-how-to-debug-td4671122.html which is totally neat (it's my own issue even). <3 !!! ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution Editor needs serious attention
> More constructively: Evolution 3.38 will have an updated composer > backend. You might want to check that version to be released next > month, but no idea when or how your distribution might ship it. Will > likely require an upgrade but that's a question for you distribution. Please don't consider me ignorant or anything, but is there a beta testing version somewhere out there, preferrably in .deb format? I'd love to give it a test ride! Concerning the whole content of this discussion: Yes, I love plain text mails too, and prefer them by... 98% I guess. I started using Ximian Evolution around the early 2000s, both privately and for my business. I have had an issue here and there, but this may be an average of 1 issue per 5 years, and none related ti the "disasters" mentioned here. The current issue (why I am subscribed) hasn't occurred again since I start Evolution with debugging, and the one before was a deleted (empty) folder Evolution needs to check on its mail storage format (blame fslint on that one...) Evolution certainly HAS its kinks and stuff, but that does by no means justify the form of this "support demand", and folks on this list here are incredibly patient, friendly and helpful. Thank you for offering this help! Ok, I admit, I have to add another question here: Is there a reason why this is done vial mailing list, and not using some forum platform? I'd clearly prefer the latter form, and with some issues you could just find the solution using the web search of your choice without having to bother this whole group by asking. Pls feel free to fork off this question, if it's worth more than a smol simple answer, that is :-) Cheers, keep up the great work! Martin ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution forces conversion from mbox to maildir
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. Dezember 2019 um 13:35 Uhr > Von: "Milan Crha via evolution-list" > An: evolution-list@gnome.org > Betreff: Re: [Evolution] Evolution forces conversion from mbox to maildir > > On Wed, 2019-12-11 at 13:08 +0100, Martin Wagner wrote: > > Thank you very much @Milan for pointing out the actuall issue, which > > was anough information for me to search and solve the rest. > > Hi, > the main question, at least from my point of view, is: how did that > happen? It looks like a data corruption to me. Evolution surely did not > delete the Outbox folder, neither your mails. I'd be cautious and watch > for other issues, maybe it'll reoccur, until you find and fix the cause > of it. > > In any case, I'm happy you made it work again. > Bye, > Milan Good question, and the combination of circumstances may lead to the solution: The culprit may be FSlint (and me, myself and I ofc.), and Evolution itself to a certain extent. Let me sum up. 1. It happened just before the backup, because Evolution worked before. I fetched my mails to have them included in that backup. 2. The Outbox folder is empty, usually, except for three more empty folders, I assume?! 3. FSlint has an option to batch delete all empty folders under ~/ 4. I ran FSlint last thing before the latest backup. I surely think you see what I did there. The only question Evolution has to take responsibility for is this: Is it really the best and safest way to determine the mail storage format by the presence of an empty folder (and maybe the presence of the corresponding meta file)? This part looks to me like a little programming shortcut, not to name it q programming (no insult intended). And the lack of documentation of that fact. At least I didn't find any of it before I entered the mailing list. Well, I'll add an article on it to my measly tiny half abandoned blog over at mwrsa.de (in German though, obviously), documenting the progress and what I mentioned above. @Milan again: Do you have a clue why simply recreating the Outbox folder did not work, and neither worked copying the folder and its meta file out of the backup? Like I wrote yesterday: I could open Evolution that way, but no other folder but the inbox were accessible. I would love to include a solution for those wo do not have a regular backup like I do. Next question: Is there an easy way to ask for that little change in Evolution? Like adding a value to its ~/.config/evolution folder somewhere, like AND a routine if the value is absent then checking for the Outbox folder and - to make sure - maybe another one or two indicators and then adding the value accordingly. TC, Martin ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution forces conversion from mbox to maildir
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. Dezember 2019 um 09:43 Uhr
> Von: mw...@web.de
> An: evolution-list@gnome.org
> Betreff: Re: [Evolution] Evolution forces conversion from mbox to maildir
>
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. Dezember 2019 um 09:17 Uhr
> > Von: "Milan Crha via evolution-list"
> > An: evolution-list@gnome.org
> > Betreff: Re: [Evolution] Evolution forces conversion from mbox to maildir
> >
> > On Tue, 2019-12-10 at 21:45 +0100, Martin Wagner wrote:
> > > Do you have any solution for a working batch conversion please?
> >
> > Hi,
> > which version did you update from, please? The only forced conversion
> > from mbox to Maildir is done for On This Computer account, located at
> >
> >~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/
> >
> > No other accounts should be affected by it. The more importantly, the
> > switch to Maildir for On This Computer account had been done years ago,
> > even before 3.6.0 release (which is the second half of 2012).
> >
> > To know whether the migration is needed Evolution checks whether
> >
> >~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/.Outbox/
> >
> > directory exists. If not, and if the local storage exists, then the
> > migration is needed. Is that directory gone in your installation?
> > Bye,
> > Milan
> >
>
> Thank you for the responses. @Milan:
>
> ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/ is where all of my email is stored. I
> have five mail adresses and two for work, and on top of that I have setup a
> number of folders in Evolution where I store a ton of emails I need or want
> to keep. Out of these seven mail accounts, six are POP3. The one IMAP works
> flawlessly ofc., it isn't local anyway. I have set a number of filters and
> rules to do a little of basic sorting of fetched mails into folders, and
> spamassassin to get me rid of the spam, though that has more false positives
> for me than filtered junk. Different story.
>
> Everything in there is gone now, aka moved to the inaccessible local mbox
> account, I started with a total of zero mails after the failed conversion,
> only the newly fetched mails appeared after a few seconds.
>
> You say the conversion should have taken place years ago? Well in that case -
> how can Evolution mistake the Maildir storage for mbox and force the
> conversion? That would explain the failed attempt though! Converning the
> .Outbox folder, that has to wait until my lunchbreak or tonight. I am on my
> work laptop rn. I didn't change anything there either, didn't delete it nor
> move it nor even look at it the wrong way >.<
>
> I will check later and report back.
>
> Thanks again, Martin
>
Ok this seems to be the initial issue really.
~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/.Outbox/ is missing. I manually unpacked my
backup and replaced ~/.local/share/evolution/ completely, then I tried to just
create the .Outbox - now Evolution starts correctly, but I still cannot access
any other folder than the Inbox, all others cannot be read ("Not a valid
maildir folder") or just appear empty.
One exception is the folder "Work Inbox" which is filled by the filters I
mentioned earlier. It displays the error (not valid ...) but shows some unread
messages. in the overview on the left.
Next I am gonna try and apply an older update to see if that fixes the issue.
Replacing both ~/.local/share/evolution/ and ~/.config/evolution/ from the
latest backup had the very same result I just described.
I would be grateful for any further input. Thank you. Martin
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution forces conversion from mbox to maildir
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. Dezember 2019 um 09:17 Uhr > Von: "Milan Crha via evolution-list" > An: evolution-list@gnome.org > Betreff: Re: [Evolution] Evolution forces conversion from mbox to maildir > > On Tue, 2019-12-10 at 21:45 +0100, Martin Wagner wrote: > > Do you have any solution for a working batch conversion please? > > Hi, > which version did you update from, please? The only forced conversion > from mbox to Maildir is done for On This Computer account, located at > >~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/ > > No other accounts should be affected by it. The more importantly, the > switch to Maildir for On This Computer account had been done years ago, > even before 3.6.0 release (which is the second half of 2012). > > To know whether the migration is needed Evolution checks whether > >~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/.Outbox/ > > directory exists. If not, and if the local storage exists, then the > migration is needed. Is that directory gone in your installation? > Bye, > Milan > Thank you for the responses. @Milan: ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/ is where all of my email is stored. I have five mail adresses and two for work, and on top of that I have setup a number of folders in Evolution where I store a ton of emails I need or want to keep. Out of these seven mail accounts, six are POP3. The one IMAP works flawlessly ofc., it isn't local anyway. I have set a number of filters and rules to do a little of basic sorting of fetched mails into folders, and spamassassin to get me rid of the spam, though that has more false positives for me than filtered junk. Different story. Everything in there is gone now, aka moved to the inaccessible local mbox account, I started with a total of zero mails after the failed conversion, only the newly fetched mails appeared after a few seconds. You say the conversion should have taken place years ago? Well in that case - how can Evolution mistake the Maildir storage for mbox and force the conversion? That would explain the failed attempt though! Converning the .Outbox folder, that has to wait until my lunchbreak or tonight. I am on my work laptop rn. I didn't change anything there either, didn't delete it nor move it nor even look at it the wrong way >.< I will check later and report back. Thanks again, Martin ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
