Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[George Reeke]

On Fri, 2015-03-13 at 15:45 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > Another change that would help with the same issues would be the ability
> > to save the reply message in the same folder with the received message,
> > rather than having it automatically go to the "Sent" folder.
> 
> Edit -> Preferences ->  -> Edit -> Defaults -> "Save
> replies in the folder of the message being replied to".
> 
> P.
> 
Thanks, I'm glad to see that this has been added--it does not
exist in version 2.32.3 that I use because it comes with RedHat 6.6.
George Reeke


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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[Pete Biggs]

> Another change that would help with the same issues would be the ability
> to save the reply message in the same folder with the received message,
> rather than having it automatically go to the "Sent" folder.

Edit -> Preferences ->  -> Edit -> Defaults -> "Save
replies in the folder of the message being replied to".

P.

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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[Rissner, Christoph]

Hi,

> Another change that would help with the same issues would be the
> ability
> to save the reply message in the same folder with the received
> message,
> rather than having it automatically go to the "Sent" folder.

I currently don't have access to my Evolution installation, but this feature
is already available (IIRC in the account settings).

Bye,
Christoph
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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[George Reeke]

On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 14:25 +0100, Matthijs van Wolferen LL.M wrote:
> For one, you could argue about the security of e-mail compared to other
> means of communication. However, opening up a possibility to change a
> message at it is still on a server by  an outside party is inviting
> fraud. The usability you have requested, notes in an e-mail and have it
> available in all clients, can easily be achieved through either a "mail
> to task" or "mail to note" command that is already available. A simple
> flag-toggle will make it easy to find for later reference. 

I don't know about anybody else, but I was never talking about changing
mail on some server.  I was talking about changing emails on my machine
that I have downloaded from a POP server.  I would really like to be
able to delete repeated parts of threads, add notes on how I responded,
etc.  Nobody else will ever see it.
Another change that would help with the same issues would be the ability
to save the reply message in the same folder with the received message,
rather than having it automatically go to the "Sent" folder.
Regards,
George Reeke


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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[Matthijs van Wolferen LL.M]

For one, you could argue about the security of e-mail compared to other
means of communication. However, opening up a possibility to change a
message at it is still on a server by  an outside party is inviting
fraud. The usability you have requested, notes in an e-mail and have it
available in all clients, can easily be achieved through either a "mail
to task" or "mail to note" command that is already available. A simple
flag-toggle will make it easy to find for later reference. 

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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[Milan Crha]

On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 15:38 +, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
> Are memo/task evolution specific? If so, that is a blocker for me.

Hi,
not at all, those are just iCalendar sources containing tasks or 
memos, just like calendars contain events. The disadvantage is that 
you need the same calendar/task list/memo list accessible from all 
machines you want to use for notes on mail messages. With compare of a 
note being stored on the message itself, at least readable by any 
client (it might depend on actual implementation).
Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[Joakim Tjernlund]

On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 17:25 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 20:12 +0400, Emre Erenoglu wrote:
> > 2) Finding that email with the comment (or even remembering that you had 
> > commented on it), would be 
> > troublesome. If I forward it, it would be coming from me in my mailbox, and 
> > it would take extra steps to 
> > locate that mail in the future (ie after a few months, a year, etc.)
> 
> You could add labels to the original and to the copied/edited mails.

This is getting ridiculous, would you be prepared do all that extra work to
add a simple note?

This is same as sending patches inline or as attachments, lots of extra 
work to comment on patches when attached and generally frowned upon.

 Jocke
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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 20:12 +0400, Emre Erenoglu wrote:
> 2) Finding that email with the comment (or even remembering that you
> had commented on it), would be troublesome. If I forward it, it would
> be coming from me in my mailbox, and it would take extra steps to
> locate that mail in the future (ie after a few months, a year, etc.)

You could add labels to the original and to the copied/edited mails.

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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 09:36 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> I would recommend you use the "Create a [...]

Oops, indeed, in addition a user could add a label to mails that are
available by the memos, to remember that a memo is available.


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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[Emre Erenoglu]

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 6:44 PM, Andre Klapper  wrote:

>
> Reply to that email, sent the reply only to yourself or to store your
> reply in the same folder && use threaded view.
>

Hi Andre, yes, but
1) This would create another copy of same message, not efficient.
2) Finding that email with the comment (or even remembering that you had
commented on it), would be troublesome. If I forward it, it would be coming
from me in my mailbox, and it would take extra steps to locate that mail in
the future (ie after a few months, a year, etc.)

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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[Joakim Tjernlund]

On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 18:22 +0400, Emre Erenoglu wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Milan Crha  wrote:
> > Hi,
> > right.
> > 
> > I think there was a feature request for this (the initial thread subject) 
> > in GNOME's bugzilla, but I 
> > cannot find it right now. Rather than "Edit existing email" it might be 
> > "Add a note to existing email".
> I think Milans' proposal is good.  FYI, pure 'create a new memo from" or 
> "create a task from" options are 
> not as good since they create a copy of the full information in the email 
> rather than linking to the email. 

Are memo/task evolution specific? If so, that is a blocker for me.

 Jocke
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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[George Reeke]

> I guess I don't understand.  I sure wouldn't want you to be able to
> modify a message I sent to you and claim it was my message!  And, if it
> was your message originally, you obviously wouldn't be able to change it
> once it's on my machine!  (Yay POP!)  So, why would you want to change a
> message after the fact?
> 

To add a note how the sender thought it appropriate to ask this of
you or how you responded to the message.
George Reeke




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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 15:44 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
> On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 17:08 +0400, Emre Erenoglu wrote:
> > I think this is a legitimate request for usability. I also sometimes
> > find myself in corporate emailing to put some thoughts or notes onto
> > emails that came from others, and I want this note to be available in
> > all my clients.
> 
> Reply to that email, sent the reply only to yourself or to store your
> reply in the same folder && use threaded view.

"To the man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail". Some things
are better handled by different tools and email was never intended to do
every possible kind of communication or information management. Case in
point: http://nyti.ms/19cPNJG (which coincidentally appeared today).

poc

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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[George Reeke]

> > 
> > On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 15:26 +, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
> > > Sometimes I want to add comments to an existing email but
> > > I cannot find how to, if possible.
> > 

I brought this up on this list about 5 years ago and was told
that incoming emails should never be edited because there should
be a record of exactly what was received.  This obviously could
be important in some business environments, but it seemed absurd
to me because anybody with a little bit of skill can edit the
message after it is stored (and fake the timestamp if they want).
I still would like this and second your request to have the feature
added to evolution, if necessary with an administrative option
to inactivate it.  Please publish the number here if you
put this on bugzilla and I will add a comment.
George Reeke


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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[Andre Klapper]

On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 17:08 +0400, Emre Erenoglu wrote:
> I think this is a legitimate request for usability. I also sometimes
> find myself in corporate emailing to put some thoughts or notes onto
> emails that came from others, and I want this note to be available in
> all my clients.

Reply to that email, sent the reply only to yourself or to store your
reply in the same folder && use threaded view.

andre
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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[Emre Erenoglu]

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Milan Crha  wrote:

> Hi,
> right.
>
> I think there was a feature request for this (the initial thread
> subject) in GNOME's bugzilla, but I cannot find it right now. Rather
> than "Edit existing email" it might be "Add a note to existing email".
>

I think Milans' proposal is good.  FYI, pure 'create a new memo from" or
"create a task from" options are not as good since they create a copy of
the full information in the email rather than linking to the email.

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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[Milan Crha]

On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 09:37 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> Or nothing more direct than the excellent functionality of "Create a
> Task" or "Create a memo" which has been available for decades.

Hi,
right.

I think there was a feature request for this (the initial thread 
subject) in GNOME's bugzilla, but I cannot find it right now. Rather 
than "Edit existing email" it might be "Add a note to existing email". 
That's different in a way that I would not let users change the 
original content. Briefly thinking of it, changing message content 
into multipart/mixed (or similar) and having the first subpart the 
original message content (thus the encryption or signatures are 
preserved and working), and the second subpart being the actual note 
(which can be also multipart or anything). That would not fix the 
message ID on the server, each save would delete the original message 
and add a new one in the folder, which would "look like" the original 
message with added content. Kind of an opposite operation to "Remove 
attachments" function. Just a quick idea on the subject. There are 
many options, like edit and have only one note on the message, or have 
it like a conversation with timestamp without a way to edit old 
conversations - probably each would find its use.
Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 08:47 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 23:49 +, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
> > Sure but I should not have to. I really would like to see this 
> > feature in a future release.
> you can right-click the message in the message list and choose "Edit 
> as New", but it is still not the same as editing existing message. 
> Messages are not office documents, they are not meant to be changed. 
> You cannot change the past, not yet at least. :-)
> I mean, do not expect anything more direct than the "Edit as New" in 
> Evolution.

Or nothing more direct than the excellent functionality of "Create a
Task" or "Create a memo" which has been available for decades.

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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 17:08 +0400, Emre Erenoglu wrote:
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:06 AM, Bart Hollis  wrote:
>> I guess I don't understand.  I sure wouldn't want you to be able to
>> modify a message I sent to you and claim it was my message!  And, if
>> it was your message originally, you obviously wouldn't be able to 
>> change it once it's on my machine!  (Yay POP!)  So, why would you 
>> want to change a message after the fact?
> I think this is a legitimate request for usability. I also sometimes
> find myself in corporate emailing to put some thoughts or notes onto 
> emails that came from others, and I want this note to be available 
> in all my clients.  Else I find myself putting such notes elsewhere, 
> without a proper hard link to that email message.

I understand the workflow.  I would recommend you use the "Create a
Task" or "Create a Memo" options - this is pretty much what they are
for.  That copies the e-mail to a task or memo to which you can perform
a variety of operations.  Memos are great, and overlooked.

> If you need your email to be secure, you can sign it. The topic of 
> such request, in my understanding, is not counterfeiting,

Yea, but you don't work this users.  Users will get *very* confused by
this, I guarantee it.  They will edit an e-mail, read it later, and
think that was the contents - unless the edit is *very* clearly distinct
from the message.  I guarantee it.

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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[Emre Erenoglu]

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:06 AM, Bart Hollis  wrote:

>
> I guess I don't understand.  I sure wouldn't want you to be able to
> modify a message I sent to you and claim it was my message!  And, if it
> was your message originally, you obviously wouldn't be able to change it
> once it's on my machine!  (Yay POP!)  So, why would you want to change a
> message after the fact?
>

I think this is a legitimate request for usability. I also sometimes find
myself in corporate emailing to put some thoughts or notes onto emails that
came from others, and I want this note to be available in all my clients.
Else I find myself putting such notes elsewhere, without a proper hard link
to that email message.

If you need your email to be secure, you can sign it. The topic of such
request, in my understanding, is not counterfeiting, since it can always be
done if one wants it (even when simply forwarding!). Email is inherently
not secure.

+1 from me on this request.

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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[Bart Hollis]

On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 23:49 +, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 20:46 +, Emilio Recio wrote:
> > Hello, the way around is to copy the email you want to annotate (it could 
> > be your or someone else's email) 
> > to your draft folder. After copying it there, open the email you just 
> > copied. You should then be set to 
> > "Edit as new..." as the feature from Thunderbird.
> 
> Sure but I should not have to. I really would like to see this feature in a 
> future release.
> 
>  Jocke
> 
> > 
> > -e
> > 
> > On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 15:26 +, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
> > > Sometimes I want to add comments to an existing email but
> > > I cannot find how to, if possible.
> > > 

I guess I don't understand.  I sure wouldn't want you to be able to
modify a message I sent to you and claim it was my message!  And, if it
was your message originally, you obviously wouldn't be able to change it
once it's on my machine!  (Yay POP!)  So, why would you want to change a
message after the fact?

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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 12:17 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> It makes no sense to do this. [snip] ? How about a message that's digitally 
> signed?
> 
> Maybe what you actually want is not exactly what you said, but I for one
> am at a loss to understand what your point is.

I don't know what the OP wants, anyway, some people might like to get an
option to "underline something", to ad a "Post-it note", "bookmarks" and
similar. IOW there's no need to modify the original message, just
"editing" it in the same way a letter written on paper can be "edited"
should be possible.

Something like this might be a good feature, OTOH it would make
Evolution more bloated and likely would be a seldom used feature.

I guess that I don't need such a feature, but sometimes it could be
handy.

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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 23:49 +, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 20:46 +, Emilio Recio wrote:
> > Hello, the way around is to copy the email you want to annotate (it could 
> > be your or someone else's email) 
> > to your draft folder. After copying it there, open the email you just 
> > copied. You should then be set to 
> > "Edit as new..." as the feature from Thunderbird.
> 
> Sure but I should not have to. I really would like to see this feature in a 
> future release.

It makes no sense to do this. As others have said, you can create a new
message by editing an old one, but it's a *new message*. Being able to
edit an old message is a can of worms. Are you going to edit all the
copies everyone else received? How about editing a message sent by
someone else? Are you going to change the copy they have on their own
mailstore? How about a message that's digitally signed?

Maybe what you actually want is not exactly what you said, but I for one
am at a loss to understand what your point is.

poc

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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 17:06 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 15:26 +, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
> > Sometimes I want to add comments to an existing email but
> > I cannot find how to, if possible.
> 
> Altering the content of an existing email and adding a comment to an
> email sound like different things, but both are not possible currently.

IMHO this is not a limitation of Evo specifically. I don't know of any
server implementation that allows you to alter an existing message. What
you do on your own local copy of a message is another thing, but I
wouldn't expect an MUA to support it directly.

poc

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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[Andre Klapper]

On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 15:26 +, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
> Sometimes I want to add comments to an existing email but
> I cannot find how to, if possible.

Altering the content of an existing email and adding a comment to an
email sound like different things, but both are not possible currently.

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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[Milan Crha]

On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 23:49 +, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
> Sure but I should not have to. I really would like to see this 
> feature in a future release.

Hi,
you can right-click the message in the message list and choose "Edit 
as New", but it is still not the same as editing existing message. 
Messages are not office documents, they are not meant to be changed. 
You cannot change the past, not yet at least. :-)


I mean, do not expect anything more direct than the "Edit as New" in 
Evolution.
Bye,
Milan
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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[Joakim Tjernlund]

On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 20:46 +, Emilio Recio wrote:
> Hello, the way around is to copy the email you want to annotate (it could be 
> your or someone else's email) 
> to your draft folder. After copying it there, open the email you just copied. 
> You should then be set to 
> "Edit as new..." as the feature from Thunderbird.

Sure but I should not have to. I really would like to see this feature in a 
future release.

 Jocke

> 
> -e
> 
> On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 15:26 +, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
> > Sometimes I want to add comments to an existing email but
> > I cannot find how to, if possible.
> > 
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Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[Emilio Recio]

Hello, the way around is to copy the email you want to annotate (it
could be your or someone else's email) to your draft folder. After
copying it there, open the email you just copied. You should then be
set to "Edit as new..." as the feature from Thunderbird.

-e

On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 15:26 +, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
> Sometimes I want to add comments to an existing email but
> I cannot find how to, if possible.
>
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[Evolution] Edit an existing email?

[Joakim Tjernlund]

Sometimes I want to add comments to an existing email but
I cannot find how to, if possible.

 Jocke
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