Re: [Evolution] How to use maildir as storage format?
Greetings, On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 13:32 +0200, Frederic Crozat wrote: Le lundi 04 août 2008 à 06:36 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan a écrit : On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 10:36 -0500, Miguel Angel Cañedo wrote: El vie, 01-08-2008 a las 00:36 +0200, Philipp Riegger escribió: Having a file with about 1 GB is not that robust, and almost all incremental backup methods store the new version of this file every time. This two simple arguments should be enought to consider maildir as default for evolution I don't know about default, but it should certainly be supported. I never understood why it was dropped in the first place. It isn't dropped, it works fine (apart from specific bugs). Like, oh, say, delete, and differentiating between read and new mail? I'd say those are significant bugs! BTW, the bugs exist, both if you are using a remote-store or a local store under 2.12, and since there are other bugs that would be a workflow stopper for me under 2.22, no, I am not upgrading. -dkap ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] How to use maildir as storage format?
Greetings, On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 07:41 -0400, Reid Thompson wrote: Frederic Crozat wrote: Le lundi 04 août 2008 à 06:36 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan a écrit : On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 10:36 -0500, Miguel Angel Cañedo wrote: El vie, 01-08-2008 a las 00:36 +0200, Philipp Riegger escribió: Having a file with about 1 GB is not that robust, and almost all incremental backup methods store the new version of this file every time. This two simple arguments should be enought to consider maildir as default for evolution I don't know about default, but it should certainly be supported. I never understood why it was dropped in the first place. It isn't dropped, it works fine (apart from specific bugs). Where would one find instruction(s) for configuring use of maildir??? Remote: you set it up with/on your server. Locally, you can only use it as a local store, not for your default inbox, though, as far as I can tell. EDIT-PREFERENCES-ADD On the second screen, it allows you to select the type of mailbox. Maildir is one of them. -dkap ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] How to use maildir as storage format?
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 12:42 -0500, Miguel Angel Cañedo wrote: I know that there is some kind of maildir support in order to configure an incoming account from a maildir. But I want to have my regular pop3 account to store all my files in a maildir, how can I do that? Email is my main tool at work and I send and receive a lot of messages. I switched to evolution when I switched to ubuntu, but my inbox in evolution gets some kind of des-synchrnozation with the index, very often... My experience is that maildir is more robust. This was possible in the not too distant past (maybe two years ago), but is not longer possible. I used evolution successfully with folders in maildir instead of mbox form for at about a year, till the capability was removed. Does anyone know how difficult it would be to restore it? The code for handling maildir folders doesn't seem to be in the current source. I downloaded the source for the current version, namely: evolution-2.22.3.1-1.fc9.src.rpm but grepping for maildir, namely: find `ls | grep -v help` -type f | xargs fgrep -i maildir didn't show anything interesting. Any info would be helpful - jon ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] How to use maildir as storage format?
On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 16:38 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 12:42 -0500, Miguel Angel Cañedo wrote: I know that there is some kind of maildir support in order to configure an incoming account from a maildir. But I want to have my regular pop3 account to store all my files in a maildir, how can I do that? Email is my main tool at work and I send and receive a lot of messages. I switched to evolution when I switched to ubuntu, but my inbox in evolution gets some kind of des-synchrnozation with the index, very often... My experience is that maildir is more robust. This was possible in the not too distant past (maybe two years ago), but is not longer possible. I used evolution successfully with folders in maildir instead of mbox form for at about a year, till the capability was removed. Does anyone know how difficult it would be to restore it? The code for handling maildir folders doesn't seem to be in the current source. I downloaded the source for the current version, namely: evolution-2.22.3.1-1.fc9.src.rpm but grepping for maildir, namely: find `ls | grep -v help` -type f | xargs fgrep -i maildir didn't show anything interesting. There are *two* essential RPMs for Evo (plus several optional ones). evolution.version.rpm and evolution-data-server.version.rpm. I'm pretty sure the maildir stuff would be in the latter if it's anywhere. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] How to use maildir as storage format?
On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 21:05 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: There are *two* essential RPMs for Evo (plus several optional ones). evolution.version.rpm and evolution-data-server.version.rpm. I'm pretty sure the maildir stuff would be in the latter if it's anywhere. It's a Camel module. The maildir source is located in: evolution-data-server/camel/providers/local Matthew Barnes ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] How to use maildir as storage format?
On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 13:32 +0200, Frederic Crozat wrote: I don't know about default, but it should certainly be supported. I never understood why it was dropped in the first place. It isn't dropped, it works fine (apart from specific bugs). Where can i find more information about the specific bugs? Philipp ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] How to use maildir as storage format?
On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 05:03:09PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I Googled for maildir mbox conversion and got a bunch of hits. One thing that might cause trouble: the Evo way of representing a folder hierarchy is non-standard (because AFAIK there is no standard) so you might have to do it folder by folder. So after this thread caught my eye (having suffered from mbox corruption one time too many), I decided to convert all of my 'local mail' to maildir format folders. So I did the following: - Added a new account with 'Maildir-format mail directories' - Pointed it at an empty top-level directory. - Did right-click 'Copy..' on the top-level folders under 'On This Computer' and selected the new account as the target. - Deleted the copied folder once I was happy with the result. Now I have everything in maildir format and things like folder updates and searches are peppy again. This took a little bit for the 2+ G of mail I've managed to accumulate, but worked pretty much flawlessly. I tried a couple of the script solutions, but they had about a 90% success rate and I wasn't going to convert all 100+ folders thru mutt (which seemed to be the only other completely robust solution available). John A. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] How to use maildir as storage format?
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 11:25 -0400, John Affleck wrote: On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 05:03:09PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I Googled for maildir mbox conversion and got a bunch of hits. One thing that might cause trouble: the Evo way of representing a folder hierarchy is non-standard (because AFAIK there is no standard) so you might have to do it folder by folder. So after this thread caught my eye (having suffered from mbox corruption one time too many), I decided to convert all of my 'local mail' to maildir format folders. So I did the following: - Added a new account with 'Maildir-format mail directories' - Pointed it at an empty top-level directory. Is this within .evolution or somewhere else? I'm thinking of backup scripts and when you eventually transport your setup to another machine. - Did right-click 'Copy..' on the top-level folders under 'On This Computer' and selected the new account as the target. - Deleted the copied folder once I was happy with the result. Now I have everything in maildir format and things like folder updates and searches are peppy again. This took a little bit for the 2+ G of mail I've managed to accumulate, but worked pretty much flawlessly. I tried a couple of the script solutions, but they had about a 90% success rate and I wasn't going to convert all 100+ folders thru mutt (which seemed to be the only other completely robust solution available). Sounds good John. I'm tempted to try it. Perhaps you'd like to add this to the FAQ, say in the Interoperability section (somewhere around http://www.go-evolution.org/FAQ#How_can_I_import_my_emails_from_KMail_to_Evolution.3F). poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] How to use maildir as storage format?
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 12:42 -0500, Miguel Angel Cañedo wrote: I know that there is some kind of maildir support in order to configure an incoming account from a maildir. But I want to have my regular pop3 account to store all my files in a maildir, how can I do that? I (too?) have an existing account with a large number of folders stored in Unix mbox format. What is a convenient way to convert these folders to maildir format? A Google search didn't turn up anything promising. Thanks - jon ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] How to use maildir as storage format?
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 10:30 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 12:42 -0500, Miguel Angel Cañedo wrote: I know that there is some kind of maildir support in order to configure an incoming account from a maildir. But I want to have my regular pop3 account to store all my files in a maildir, how can I do that? I (too?) have an existing account with a large number of folders stored in Unix mbox format. What is a convenient way to convert these folders to maildir format? A Google search didn't turn up anything promising. I Googled for maildir mbox conversion and got a bunch of hits. One thing that might cause trouble: the Evo way of representing a folder hierarchy is non-standard (because AFAIK there is no standard) so you might have to do it folder by folder. Alternatively, try copying folders to an IMAP server and back again to their new destination. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] How to use maildir as storage format?
On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 10:36 -0500, Miguel Angel Cañedo wrote: El vie, 01-08-2008 a las 00:36 +0200, Philipp Riegger escribió: Having a file with about 1 GB is not that robust, and almost all incremental backup methods store the new version of this file every time. This two simple arguments should be enought to consider maildir as default for evolution I don't know about default, but it should certainly be supported. I never understood why it was dropped in the first place. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] How to use maildir as storage format?
Le lundi 04 août 2008 à 06:36 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan a écrit : On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 10:36 -0500, Miguel Angel Cañedo wrote: El vie, 01-08-2008 a las 00:36 +0200, Philipp Riegger escribió: Having a file with about 1 GB is not that robust, and almost all incremental backup methods store the new version of this file every time. This two simple arguments should be enought to consider maildir as default for evolution I don't know about default, but it should certainly be supported. I never understood why it was dropped in the first place. It isn't dropped, it works fine (apart from specific bugs). -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mandriva ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] How to use maildir as storage format?
Frederic Crozat wrote: Le lundi 04 août 2008 à 06:36 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan a écrit : On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 10:36 -0500, Miguel Angel Cañedo wrote: El vie, 01-08-2008 a las 00:36 +0200, Philipp Riegger escribió: Having a file with about 1 GB is not that robust, and almost all incremental backup methods store the new version of this file every time. This two simple arguments should be enought to consider maildir as default for evolution I don't know about default, but it should certainly be supported. I never understood why it was dropped in the first place. It isn't dropped, it works fine (apart from specific bugs). Where would one find instruction(s) for configuring use of maildir??? ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] How to use maildir as storage format?
On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 13:32 +0200, Frederic Crozat wrote: Le lundi 04 août 2008 à 06:36 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan a écrit : On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 10:36 -0500, Miguel Angel Cañedo wrote: El vie, 01-08-2008 a las 00:36 +0200, Philipp Riegger escribió: Having a file with about 1 GB is not that robust, and almost all incremental backup methods store the new version of this file every time. This two simple arguments should be enought to consider maildir as default for evolution I don't know about default, but it should certainly be supported. I never understood why it was dropped in the first place. It isn't dropped, it works fine (apart from specific bugs). Yes, I see it now. I hadn't expected it to be under the Server drop-down when creating an account. Also, it appears to be impossible to set up a POP account using Maildir local storage, which is probably what a lot of people want (of course one could do it using Fetchmail, but that's hardly user-friendly) IMHO the setup wizard should separate two issues: how the mail is fetched, and how it is stored locally (if at all). Mixing both things in the same menu limits the possibilities and is confusing to the user. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] How to use maildir as storage format?
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Yes, I see it now. I hadn't expected it to be under the Server drop-down when creating an account. Also, it appears to be impossible to set up a POP account using Maildir local storage, which is probably what a lot of people want (of course one could do it using Fetchmail, but that's hardly user-friendly) IMHO the setup wizard should separate two issues: how the mail is fetched, and how it is stored locally (if at all). Mixing both things in the same menu limits the possibilities and is confusing to the user. poc +1 what Patrick stated... ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] How to use maildir as storage format?
El vie, 01-08-2008 a las 00:36 +0200, Philipp Riegger escribió: Having a file with about 1 GB is not that robust, and almost all incremental backup methods store the new version of this file every time. This two simple arguments should be enought to consider maildir as default for evolution ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] How to use maildir as storage format?
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 12:42 -0500, Miguel Angel Cañedo wrote: I know that there is some kind of maildir support in order to configure an incoming account from a maildir. But I want to have my regular pop3 account to store all my files in a maildir, how can I do that? Email is my main tool at work and I send and receive a lot of messages. I switched to evolution when I switched to ubuntu, but my inbox in evolution gets some kind of des-synchrnozation with the index, very often... My experience is that maildir is more robust. I'm very interested in that, too. I have some huge mailinglists (lkml, ...) and I'm a big fan of keeping some backlog for searching. Having a file with about 1 GB is not that robust, and almost all incremental backup methods store the new version of this file every time. Philipp ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
