Re: [Evolution] Msg Selection
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 16:39 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Wish I knew. I'm not a devel and have no insight into how their minds > work :-) In fact I thought I had filed a BZ report a long time ago but I > can't seem to find it. Feel free to file it yourself and post the BZ > number here for others to add comments. > > poc > > ___ Hopefully this will get /some/ attention... The BZ # is 621839 Cheers, Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Msg Selection/date ordering/POC
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 14:15 -0700, Brewster Gillett wrote: > > I don't use Evo for newsgroups, but most of my mail is on IMAP > servers > > and I do see it from time to time. > > > > poc > > Brewster chimes in: > > This is probably the juncture at which I need to point out that > I am using strictly POP in this home network... no IMAP anywhere > hereabouts to the best of my knowledge :-) That makes it even wierder. If it were a question of synch problems with a remote server one could let it pass, as these things can be tricky, but all POP info is completely local. In particular, the notion of which messages have been read doesn't depend on anything on the server. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Msg Selection/date ordering/POC
Brewster wrote: > > > > The other one that is a bit disconcerting is that there seems to > > > be a > > > > bug in Evo's reporting on the left-hand pane where the folders > > > list > > > > appears, of how many unreads are in a given folder. I can be > > > staring > > > > right at a main screen that shows all eight messages in a folder, > > > with > > > > every single one of the eight displaying as "read", yet the > > > left-hand > > > > list pane entry shows that folder as having one (or sometimes > > > two) > > > > unread messages. Has anyone else noticed that one? POC: > > > Yes, it's a known bug and is quite annoying. If you're talking about > > > IMAP folders you can sometimes fix it by unsubscribing from the > > > folder > > > and resubscribing it. This forces Evo to update everything. I can't > > > recall seeing the bug on non-IMAP folders. > > > I don't use Evo for newsgroups, but most of my mail is on IMAP servers > and I do see it from time to time. > > poc Brewster chimes in: This is probably the juncture at which I need to point out that I am using strictly POP in this home network... no IMAP anywhere hereabouts to the best of my knowledge :-) Brewster -- *** Embrace a sharing community of sustainable justice low-carbon diversity *** W. Brewster Gillett b...@fdi.usPortland, OR USA *** Simply because you don't like to hear it, that doesn't make it untrue. *** ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Msg Selection
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 12:49 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > > On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 09:20 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 07:30 +0100, Gavin Simpson wrote: > > > On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 22:44 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 21:31 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > > > > If you click a folder Evo forces the auto-selection of the newest > > > > > unread message and worked back from there. > > > > > > > > It's not that sophisticated. It remembers the highlighted message ID > > > > and automatically selects that when you return to the folder. If that > > > > message doesn't exist or isn't visible, it either selects the first in > > > > the list or none at all, depending on the context. > > > > > > Is that configurable in any way? I like my newest mail to be at the end > > > (bottom) of a list. The "jump to first in list" is mildly annoying in > > > such circumstances, especially in folders with a lot of mail. Now I > > > know /why/ this is happening I can try to work around it; hadn't > > > realised that that was what was causing it. > > > > I'm in the same boat. I've complained about it in the past (so long ago > > I can't even remember) but to no effect, I suspect because the devels > > probably use the default "newest at the top" layout. In my view the > > algorithm should be: > > > > Show the last selected message if it still exists > > else show the oldest unread message in the folder, if any > > else show the newest message in the folder > > > > This is independant of the sorting order. > > > > poc > > > Patrick, > > That is /exactly/ what I not only want but would expect as a logical > sorting. To do the opposite -which is the default in Evo, goes against > logic. We always advocate/preach on this list about logical order, > namely top vs. bottom posting and the like, yet we're faced with this, > rather contradicting "flow". > > Assuming there is already been a request for this is there anything > that can be done to push that through? Wish I knew. I'm not a devel and have no insight into how their minds work :-) In fact I thought I had filed a BZ report a long time ago but I can't seem to find it. Feel free to file it yourself and post the BZ number here for others to add comments. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Msg Selection/date ordering
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 20:18 +0200, Han Pilmeyer wrote: > On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 10:29 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > The other one that is a bit disconcerting is that there seems to > > be a > > > bug in Evo's reporting on the left-hand pane where the folders > > list > > > appears, of how many unreads are in a given folder. I can be > > staring > > > right at a main screen that shows all eight messages in a folder, > > with > > > every single one of the eight displaying as "read", yet the > > left-hand > > > list pane entry shows that folder as having one (or sometimes > > two) > > > unread messages. Has anyone else noticed that one? > > > > Yes, it's a known bug and is quite annoying. If you're talking about > > IMAP folders you can sometimes fix it by unsubscribing from the > > folder > > and resubscribing it. This forces Evo to update everything. I can't > > recall seeing the bug on non-IMAP folders. > > I see this on usenet newsgroups quite regularly. But it's been a long > time (probably years) that I have seen this on imap. I don't use Evo for newsgroups, but most of my mail is on IMAP servers and I do see it from time to time. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Msg Selection/date ordering
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 10:29 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > The other one that is a bit disconcerting is that there seems to be > a > > bug in Evo's reporting on the left-hand pane where the folders list > > appears, of how many unreads are in a given folder. I can be staring > > right at a main screen that shows all eight messages in a folder, > with > > every single one of the eight displaying as "read", yet the > left-hand > > list pane entry shows that folder as having one (or sometimes two) > > unread messages. Has anyone else noticed that one? > > Yes, it's a known bug and is quite annoying. If you're talking about > IMAP folders you can sometimes fix it by unsubscribing from the folder > and resubscribing it. This forces Evo to update everything. I can't > recall seeing the bug on non-IMAP folders. I see this on usenet newsgroups quite regularly. But it's been a long time (probably years) that I have seen this on imap. -- Han Pilmeyer pilux_at_pilmeyer_dot_nl ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Msg Selection
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 09:20 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 07:30 +0100, Gavin Simpson wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 22:44 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: > > > On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 21:31 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > > > If you click a folder Evo forces the auto-selection of the newest > > > > unread message and worked back from there. > > > > > > It's not that sophisticated. It remembers the highlighted message ID > > > and automatically selects that when you return to the folder. If that > > > message doesn't exist or isn't visible, it either selects the first in > > > the list or none at all, depending on the context. > > > > Is that configurable in any way? I like my newest mail to be at the end > > (bottom) of a list. The "jump to first in list" is mildly annoying in > > such circumstances, especially in folders with a lot of mail. Now I > > know /why/ this is happening I can try to work around it; hadn't > > realised that that was what was causing it. > > I'm in the same boat. I've complained about it in the past (so long ago > I can't even remember) but to no effect, I suspect because the devels > probably use the default "newest at the top" layout. In my view the > algorithm should be: > > Show the last selected message if it still exists > else show the oldest unread message in the folder, if any > else show the newest message in the folder > > This is independant of the sorting order. > > poc > Patrick, That is /exactly/ what I not only want but would expect as a logical sorting. To do the opposite -which is the default in Evo, goes against logic. We always advocate/preach on this list about logical order, namely top vs. bottom posting and the like, yet we're faced with this, rather contradicting "flow". Assuming there is already been a request for this is there anything that can be done to push that through? Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Msg Selection/date ordering
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 07:32 -0700, Brewster Gillett wrote: > I sort by date, oldest first. So my unreads generally appear at the > bottom, unless they're a spam dated 1969 which somehow slipped through > the filters :-) Sort by Received Date and you take care of that. The sender's date is often pure fantasy. > But here's an Evo artifact I have never understood - > sometimes, not consistently, when I click on an unread to highlight > that line, the entire body of messages will shift around, usually > pushing the bottom ones off the screen. There does not appear to be > any logical purpose for this motion, and worst, it doesn't always take > place. Has anyone else encountered this phenomenon? Not sure what you mean here. When you say the messages shift around, do you mean the sort order changes? Also, do you have threading enabled? Threading modifies the strict date order. > The other one that is a bit disconcerting is that there seems to be a > bug in Evo's reporting on the left-hand pane where the folders list > appears, of how many unreads are in a given folder. I can be staring > right at a main screen that shows all eight messages in a folder, with > every single one of the eight displaying as "read", yet the left-hand > list pane entry shows that folder as having one (or sometimes two) > unread messages. Has anyone else noticed that one? Yes, it's a known bug and is quite annoying. If you're talking about IMAP folders you can sometimes fix it by unsubscribing from the folder and resubscribing it. This forces Evo to update everything. I can't recall seeing the bug on non-IMAP folders. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Msg Selection/date ordering
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 13:10 +0530, chen wrote: > > Is that configurable in any way? I like my newest mail to be at the end > > (bottom) of a list. The "jump to first in list" is mildly annoying in > > such circumstances, especially in folders with a lot of mail. Now I > > know /why/ this is happening I can try to work around it; hadn't > > realised that that was what was causing it. > Its not configurable. > > - Chenthill. brewster: This is interesting, and raises an additional question or two. I always get my newest at the bottom, and here's how... I have over twenty different folders, for things like interest areas, personal business categories, or e-group memberships, like this group. I tend to leave a lot of messages in the folders, because I will eventually perform differing operations on various ones, depending upon the subject, and I don't always have time to do those things right away. So where new (unread) messages show up is decidedly an issue. I sort by date, oldest first. So my unreads generally appear at the bottom, unless they're a spam dated 1969 which somehow slipped through the filters :-) But here's an Evo artifact I have never understood - sometimes, not consistently, when I click on an unread to highlight that line, the entire body of messages will shift around, usually pushing the bottom ones off the screen. There does not appear to be any logical purpose for this motion, and worst, it doesn't always take place. Has anyone else encountered this phenomenon? The other one that is a bit disconcerting is that there seems to be a bug in Evo's reporting on the left-hand pane where the folders list appears, of how many unreads are in a given folder. I can be staring right at a main screen that shows all eight messages in a folder, with every single one of the eight displaying as "read", yet the left-hand list pane entry shows that folder as having one (or sometimes two) unread messages. Has anyone else noticed that one? Thanks, Brewster -- *** Embrace a sharing community of sustainable justice low-carbon diversity *** W. Brewster Gillett b...@fdi.usPortland, OR USA *** Simply because you don't like to hear it, that doesn't make it untrue. *** ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Msg Selection
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 07:30 +0100, Gavin Simpson wrote: > On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 22:44 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 21:31 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > > If you click a folder Evo forces the auto-selection of the newest > > > unread message and worked back from there. > > > > It's not that sophisticated. It remembers the highlighted message ID > > and automatically selects that when you return to the folder. If that > > message doesn't exist or isn't visible, it either selects the first in > > the list or none at all, depending on the context. > > Is that configurable in any way? I like my newest mail to be at the end > (bottom) of a list. The "jump to first in list" is mildly annoying in > such circumstances, especially in folders with a lot of mail. Now I > know /why/ this is happening I can try to work around it; hadn't > realised that that was what was causing it. I'm in the same boat. I've complained about it in the past (so long ago I can't even remember) but to no effect, I suspect because the devels probably use the default "newest at the top" layout. In my view the algorithm should be: Show the last selected message if it still exists else show the oldest unread message in the folder, if any else show the newest message in the folder This is independant of the sorting order. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Msg Selection
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 06:24 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 22:44 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: > > > On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 21:31 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > > If you click a folder Evo forces the auto-selection of the newest > > > unread message and worked back from there. > > > > It's not that sophisticated. It remembers the highlighted message ID > > and automatically selects that when you return to the folder. If that > > message doesn't exist or isn't visible, it either selects the first in > > the list or none at all, depending on the context. > > > > So in order to achieve the desired effect I'll have to sort by date, > descending so that I have the newest on top. The annoying thing about > that solution is that I think Evo seems to default to the exact > opposite and isn't each folder setting independent? > > PHil > > ___ Ooops. Apparently I'm loosing my mind and had already asked that question. http://www.mail-archive.com/evolution-list@gnome.org/msg12356.html Sorry for the double post. I guess I'm finding this more annoying than originally thought. Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Msg Selection
On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 22:44 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: > On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 21:31 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > If you click a folder Evo forces the auto-selection of the newest > > unread message and worked back from there. > > It's not that sophisticated. It remembers the highlighted message ID > and automatically selects that when you return to the folder. If that > message doesn't exist or isn't visible, it either selects the first in > the list or none at all, depending on the context. > So in order to achieve the desired effect I'll have to sort by date, descending so that I have the newest on top. The annoying thing about that solution is that I think Evo seems to default to the exact opposite and isn't each folder setting independent? PHil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Msg Selection
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 07:30 +0100, Gavin Simpson wrote: > On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 22:44 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 21:31 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > > If you click a folder Evo forces the auto-selection of the newest > > > unread message and worked back from there. > > > > It's not that sophisticated. It remembers the highlighted message ID > > and automatically selects that when you return to the folder. If that > > message doesn't exist or isn't visible, it either selects the first in > > the list or none at all, depending on the context. To add to what matt has said, the message would also be unselected if evolution terminates abruptly, either by a crash or process kill (evolution --force-shutdown). This is to ensure that we don't keep crashing on start-up selecting the same message. > > Is that configurable in any way? I like my newest mail to be at the end > (bottom) of a list. The "jump to first in list" is mildly annoying in > such circumstances, especially in folders with a lot of mail. Now I > know /why/ this is happening I can try to work around it; hadn't > realised that that was what was causing it. Its not configurable. - Chenthill. > > G > ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Msg Selection
On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 22:44 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: > On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 21:31 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > If you click a folder Evo forces the auto-selection of the newest > > unread message and worked back from there. > > It's not that sophisticated. It remembers the highlighted message ID > and automatically selects that when you return to the folder. If that > message doesn't exist or isn't visible, it either selects the first in > the list or none at all, depending on the context. Is that configurable in any way? I like my newest mail to be at the end (bottom) of a list. The "jump to first in list" is mildly annoying in such circumstances, especially in folders with a lot of mail. Now I know /why/ this is happening I can try to work around it; hadn't realised that that was what was causing it. G -- %~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Dr. Gavin Simpson [t] +44 (0)20 7679 0522 ECRC, UCL Geography, [f] +44 (0)20 7679 0565 Pearson Building, [e] gavin.simpsonATNOSPAMucl.ac.uk Gower Street, London [w] http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucfagls/ UK. WC1E 6BT. [w] http://www.freshwaters.org.uk %~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Msg Selection
On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 21:31 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > If you click a folder Evo forces the auto-selection of the newest > unread message and worked back from there. It's not that sophisticated. It remembers the highlighted message ID and automatically selects that when you return to the folder. If that message doesn't exist or isn't visible, it either selects the first in the list or none at all, depending on the context. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Msg Selection
Hi Everyone, I'm a bit confused about how Evo is suppose to act when I click on a given folder. I thought... If you click a folder Evo forces the auto-selection of the newest unread message and worked back from there. Instead... Evo brings me all the way back up to the oldest msg in that given folder. To my knowledge there is no setting related to this function. Help?! I just got Evo 2.30.1.2 but I was on 2.28.3 and the same thing was occurring. Cheers, Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
