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-- Forwarded message --
From: Jo-Erlend Schinstad 
Date: 2010/5/25
Subject: Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe
To: Krzysztof Błaszkowski 


2010/5/25 Krzysztof Błaszkowski :
>
> I know another joke like this and it goes as follow:

[snip confusing rant]

> Was it funny ?

No, after careful consideration, I've come to the conclusion that
you're no comedian.

> I think it is far more than winder dll story because it is regarding
> qualifications of evolution developers. (some readers must be told this
> directly)

Then perhaps you should mail them directly instead of wasting the time
of hundreds of innocent human beings.

[snip more rant]

> that's it. now i think about unsubscribing because it's a waste of time
> receiving more post.

Please do. Seriously, I'm begging you. At least stop posting to the list.

> one more. openSuse doesn't have gtksudo (why ?) i had to use kdesudo
> otherwise i wouldn't even bother with Gnome. Ksnapshot is also far more
> convenient.
> Krdc too, will not mention Kdiff3.

What the hell does this have to do with Evolution?

> i consider also moving back to Kmail (under Gnome of course)

Is that a threat? You can use telnet to write your emails for all I care.

> Krzysztof Blaszkowski

And now, Krzystof... Where is the URL to the bug you're complaining so
loudly about? I searched for it, but I couldn't find it. Where is your
bug report? Actually, I couldn't find any bugs related to you at all.
My question to you, then, is how do you expect people to solve your
problems if they don't know they exist?

I filed a bug and I probably spent a lot less time doing that, than
you spent ranting on about gtksudo (which we normally call gksu or
gksudo). You can find the bug here:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=619661

Am I employed by Novell? No. Am I employed by RedHat or Canonical or
any of the other significant distro companies? No. Then how come I
took the time to file a bug? Because that's the beauty of free and
open source software. If you know it's a bug and it's not in the
tracker, then add it and enable someone with time and competence to
fix it.

In summary, you have become butt of your own bad joke.

Hope that helps,

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On 10/20/2010 07:12 PM, evolution-list-requ...@gnome.org wrote:
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>3. Re:  evolution systray (Pablo Saavedra)
>4. Re:  evolution systray (George Reeke)
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> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:20:17 -0400
> From: Adam Tauno Williams 
> To: evolution-list@gnome.org
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] evolution systray
> Message-ID: <1287577217.4517.2.ca...@linux-yu4c.site>
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> On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 09:32 -0500, Christian wrote: 
>> On Thu, 2008-08-21 at 21:53 +0100, Calum Benson wrote: 
>>> On 14 Aug 2008, at 17:10, tim wrote
 i want to say my hat's off to you guys and all you do.  i have an idea
 for the next update of evolution...
 could you make it so when i close it the program still runs in the
 systray?  i like deluge because it minimizes to the systray and pidgin
 for the same reason.  even rhythmbox too.  everything runs great on  
 the
 program; that's just a feature i am looking forward to
>>> Note that minimising to system tray (at least by using the standard  
>>> minimise or close buttons) is a behaviour rather frowned upon by  
>>> GNOME's usability folks, however :)
>>> Minimise buttons should minimise, and close buttons should close.  If  
>>> you want to add a button that does something else, then fine, do that  
>>> and call it something else.  But please don't make the minimise or  
>>> close buttons do things they're not supposed to... 
>> An option to set what the close button does (close/minimize) is all it
>> takes. 
> -1 Options bad.  
>
> This is one [of the many] reason GNOME is far more productive an
> environment than KDE.  More options == more code == more effort.
>
> Close closes, minamize minamizes.  The systray is gone or reworked in
> GNOME 3 anyway.
>
>> Several programs have that option both on Linux and Windows. If
>> you want to follow the advice of the usability crowd don't enable this
>> option.
>> I'm using alltray and have edited the menu to open Evo in the tray (or
>> is it called notification area these days?) using alltray.
>> Personally I do not not care who frowns of what as long as it works for
>> me! :)
> If you use something like a dock (GNOME-Do, etc...) then minimize may be
> pretty much what your asking for [since you aren't closing the app
> anyway].
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Yes you can. You need to read the page and understand it, specifically
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If you have some specific difficulty I'm sure people will be glad to
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> He probably intended to do so - on most of mailing lists i was
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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

[Bart]

On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 11:03 +0200, Patryk Benderz wrote:
> [cut]
> > Read this and unsubscribe yourself 
> I just wonder... on most (or even all) of other ML I am subscribed to,
> it is sufficient to send a post with "unsubscribe" subject, and it
> automagically deletes your mail from ML. Why it is not solved this way
> here?
> 

I'm not a moderator or administrator so my answer may not be entirely
correct.  I would think that it is a difference in the software used to
run the list.  Looking at the web page referenced in every message, it
seems really easy to manage your account using this software.  On lists
using the method you mention, although it seems easier, I think it is
not quite as "user friendly" as I have seen as many requests for help as
on this list.  I guess it depends on personal preference.  Both systems
work, both systems seem to require help at times.  Hope that helps you.

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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 11:03 +0200, Patryk Benderz wrote:
> [cut]
> > Read this and unsubscribe yourself 
> I just wonder... on most (or even all) of other ML I am subscribed to,
> it is sufficient to send a post with "unsubscribe" subject, and it
> automagically deletes your mail from ML. Why it is not solved this way
> here?

This list is managed with Mailman (http://www.list.org), so that's how
it works. Mailman is used for all the GNU mailing lists, the Fedora
lists, and a huge number of other lists both public and private. Other
mailing lists use other software (much of it commercial), which works
differently.

It's trivially easy to unsubscribe if the user just reads the
instructions. Nothing can be done for people who can't be bothered to do
this, except encourage them to take the trouble.

However, you actually *can* unsubscribe via mail, see
http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030537. Thus, someone
could unsubscribe from this list by sending a message (any message, it
doesn't matter) to .

However saying this is probably a waste of time since the intended
audience isn't going to read it.

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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Tuesday, April 13, 2010 a las 09:34:13AM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan 
escribió:

> However, you actually *can* unsubscribe via mail, see
> http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030537. Thus, someone
> could unsubscribe from this list by sending a message (any message, it
> doesn't matter) to .
> 
> However saying this is probably a waste of time since the intended
> audience isn't going to read it.

Fully agree. This is just another example of: Nobody reads anything, who
does, will not understand in most of the cases, who understands, will
forget it soon. (based on Stanislav Lem, I think)

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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

[Alpar Juttner]

On Tue, 2010-04-13 at 16:37 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El día Tuesday, April 13, 2010 a las 09:34:13AM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan 
> escribió:
> 
> > However, you actually *can* unsubscribe via mail, see
> > http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030537. Thus, someone
> > could unsubscribe from this list by sending a message (any message, it
> > doesn't matter) to .
> > 
> > However saying this is probably a waste of time since the intended
> > audience isn't going to read it.
> 
> Fully agree. This is just another example of: Nobody reads anything, who
> does, will not understand in most of the cases, who understands, will
> forget it soon. (based on Stanislav Lem, I think)

These "unsubscribe" emails are posted regularly and the answer is always
an angry

> > ___
> > evolution-list mailing list
> > evolution-list@gnome.org
> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list

> Read this and unsubscribe yourself 
> 
To be honest, it is not very clear for me why the users are expected to
find out that they should follow that link in order to unsubscribe.

What about replacing this footer to something more informative instead
of blaming the users all the time for not clicking each and every link
the can see?

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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

[C de-Avillez]

On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 17:54 +0200, Alpar Juttner wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-04-13 at 16:37 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> > El día Tuesday, April 13, 2010 a las 09:34:13AM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan 
> > escribió:
> > 
> > > However, you actually *can* unsubscribe via mail, see
> > > http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030537. Thus, someone
> > > could unsubscribe from this list by sending a message (any message, it
> > > doesn't matter) to .
> > > 
> > > However saying this is probably a waste of time since the intended
> > > audience isn't going to read it.
> > 
> > Fully agree. This is just another example of: Nobody reads anything, who
> > does, will not understand in most of the cases, who understands, will
> > forget it soon. (based on Stanislav Lem, I think)
> 
> These "unsubscribe" emails are posted regularly and the answer is always
> an angry
> 
> > > ___
> > > evolution-list mailing list
> > > evolution-list@gnome.org
> > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
> 
> > Read this and unsubscribe yourself 
> > 
> To be honest, it is not very clear for me why the users are expected to
> find out that they should follow that link in order to unsubscribe.
> 
> What about replacing this footer to something more informative instead
> of blaming the users all the time for not clicking each and every link
> the can see?

I agree. It should, instead, say something like:

Modify settings or unsubscribe
at:http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list

It does not hurt to state it. Who manages the Evolution-list?

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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 17:54 +0200, Alpar Juttner wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-04-13 at 16:37 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> > El día Tuesday, April 13, 2010 a las 09:34:13AM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan 
> > escribió:
> > > However, you actually *can* unsubscribe via mail, see
> > > http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030537. Thus, someone
> > > could unsubscribe from this list by sending a message (any message, it
> > > doesn't matter) to .
> > > However saying this is probably a waste of time since the intended
> > > audience isn't going to read it.
> > Fully agree. This is just another example of: Nobody reads anything, who
> > does, will not understand in most of the cases, who understands, will
> > forget it soon. (based on Stanislav Lem, I think)
> These "unsubscribe" emails are posted regularly and the answer is always
> an angr
> > > ___
> > > evolution-list mailing list
> > > evolution-list@gnome.org
> > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
> > Read this and unsubscribe yourself 
> To be honest, it is not very clear for me why the users are expected to
> find out that they should follow that link in order to unsubscribe.
> What about replacing this footer to something more informative instead
> of blaming the users all the time for not clicking each and every link
> the can see?

I blame the users, and I don't feel bad about it at all.  This is the
same list software used by the majority of lists AND ** they had to go
to that page to subscribe themselves! ***  Seriously,  "unsubscribe me"
posts are ridiculous.

But changing the footer to "To change your settings or unsubscribe..."
will at least make the ire even more justified [it won't actually help,
they still won't read it].

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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 12:51 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 17:54 +0200, Alpar Juttner wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-04-13 at 16:37 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> > > El día Tuesday, April 13, 2010 a las 09:34:13AM -0430, Patrick 
> > > O'Callaghan escribió:
> > > > However, you actually *can* unsubscribe via mail, see
> > > > http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030537. Thus, someone
> > > > could unsubscribe from this list by sending a message (any message, it
> > > > doesn't matter) to .
> > > > However saying this is probably a waste of time since the intended
> > > > audience isn't going to read it.
> > > Fully agree. This is just another example of: Nobody reads anything, who
> > > does, will not understand in most of the cases, who understands, will
> > > forget it soon. (based on Stanislav Lem, I think)
> > These "unsubscribe" emails are posted regularly and the answer is always
> > an angr
> > > > ___
> > > > evolution-list mailing list
> > > > evolution-list@gnome.org
> > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
> > > Read this and unsubscribe yourself 
> > To be honest, it is not very clear for me why the users are expected to
> > find out that they should follow that link in order to unsubscribe.
> > What about replacing this footer to something more informative instead
> > of blaming the users all the time for not clicking each and every link
> > the can see?
> 
> I blame the users, and I don't feel bad about it at all.  This is the
> same list software used by the majority of lists AND ** they had to go
> to that page to subscribe themselves! ***  Seriously,  "unsubscribe me"
> posts are ridiculous.
> 
> But changing the footer to "To change your settings or unsubscribe..."
> will at least make the ire even more justified [it won't actually help,
> they still won't read it].

+1 on all points.

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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

[Matthew Barnes]

On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 12:51 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> But changing the footer to "To change your settings or unsubscribe..."
> will at least make the ire even more justified [it won't actually help,
> they still won't read it].

I tried to get this changed a few months ago but didn't get a response
from the infrastructure team.

http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-infrastructure/2009-November/msg00028.html

I guess my post passed unnoticed.  I could try to follow-up again, but
looks like it would have to be changed for all GNOME-related mailing
lists and like Adam said, I'm not convinced it would actually help.

Matthew Barnes

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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

[Matthew Barnes]

On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 14:10 -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
> I don't think it needs to be set for all mailing lists; certainly the
> GNU lists which I admin (and which also use Mailman) have individual
> header and footer settings on a per-mailing list basis and anyone with
> the admin password can change them.  If you can log into the admin pages
> then look at the "Non-digest options" page and the "Digest options" page
> to set the header/footer appropriately.

Oh okay thanks, that might explain why I didn't get a response.  I'll
check with the Novell guys that are named as list admins and see if I
can get myself added.

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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

[Paul Smith]

On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 14:04 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 12:51 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > But changing the footer to "To change your settings or unsubscribe..."
> > will at least make the ire even more justified [it won't actually help,
> > they still won't read it].
> 
> I tried to get this changed a few months ago but didn't get a response
> from the infrastructure team.
> 
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-infrastructure/2009-November/msg00028.html
> 
> I guess my post passed unnoticed.  I could try to follow-up again, but
> looks like it would have to be changed for all GNOME-related mailing
> lists and like Adam said, I'm not convinced it would actually help.

I don't think it needs to be set for all mailing lists; certainly the
GNU lists which I admin (and which also use Mailman) have individual
header and footer settings on a per-mailing list basis and anyone with
the admin password can change them.  If you can log into the admin pages
then look at the "Non-digest options" page and the "Digest options" page
to set the header/footer appropriately.

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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

[Patryk Benderz]

[cut]
> Fully agree. This is just another example of: Nobody reads anything, who
> does, will not understand in most of the cases, who understands, will
> forget it soon. (based on Stanislav Lem, I think)
Just for information purposes, his name is Stanislaw. (Stanisław, if one
have appropriate fonts installed ;)

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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

[Patryk Benderz]

[cut]
> This list is managed with Mailman (http://www.list.org), so that's how
> it works. Mailman is used for all the GNU mailing lists, the Fedora
> lists, and a huge number of other lists both public and private. Other
> mailing lists use other software (much of it commercial), which works
> differently.
Just for future reference - someone might find it helpful:
http://www.washington.edu/computing/mailman/faqs/mailman.email.html

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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 11:21 -0400, Rick Stanley wrote:
> To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ...
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list

Read the above.

poc

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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

[Pete Biggs]

On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 00:41 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 11:21 -0400, Rick Stanley wrote:
> > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ...
> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
> 
> Read the above.
> 

I think what I find surprising (and sad) is that the sig of the OP says
that they are "Computer System Consultants" and "Linux & Open Source
Specialists" - if they can't figure out how to unsubscribe from a
mailing list, what hope is there!

P.

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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

[Jo-Erlend Schinstad]

On 25 May 2010 11:12, Pete Biggs  wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 00:41 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 11:21 -0400, Rick Stanley wrote:
>> > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ...
>> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
>>
>> Read the above.
>>
>
> I think what I find surprising (and sad) is that the sig of the OP says
> that they are "Computer System Consultants" and "Linux & Open Source
> Specialists" - if they can't figure out how to unsubscribe from a
> mailing list, what hope is there!
>
> P.

That is a very good point...

Jo-Erlend
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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 10:12 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 00:41 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 11:21 -0400, Rick Stanley wrote:
> > > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ...
> > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
> > Read the above.
> I think what I find surprising (and sad) is that the sig of the OP says
> that they are "Computer System Consultants" and "Linux & Open Source
> Specialists" - if they can't figure out how to unsubscribe from a
> mailing list, what hope is there!

Hey, you should get out more.  I once explained to a "Computer System
Consultants" who was billing almost $200/hr how to check the version of
a Windows DLL file.

And I think I'm at +3 now!

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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

[Krzysztof Błaszkowski]

I know another joke like this and it goes as follow:

evolution user wants to write new mail to a recipient from address book.
the recipient has a few addresses (e.g. company) let's say he has 3. btw
it is not possible to assign more than 4, why ?

okay, user uses "contacts", selects right recipient and points some
address in the middle of the list displayed in bottom right window (that
one with contact's personal information).

user writes mail, sends it and oops, he notices that the mail was sent
to 1st address from the list of all defined mail addresses.

then he opens contacts again and does a few tests which make him sure
that no matter which address he pointed the mail composer would use
always the 1st address from the list.


Was it funny ? 
I think it is far more than winder dll story because it is regarding
qualifications of evolution developers. (some readers must be told this
directly)

I found also a rule how these addresses are sorted and it is not
alphabetical neither doesn't depend on position of email field from
"open" form (that one for editing contact's properties). cool. it
depends on something else. i will not tell.


But more seriously. I reckon that such errors are not supposed to happen
in a project which lasts for years. (i would make more allowances if the
project started 3 months ago). Such errors show only poor code quality
(people quality) and lack of QA or poor QA quality. (such people should
be fired out).


another my conclusion is that if Novell wants to sell SLEDx with such
applications then i can say to Novell sales (and i bet not only me),
sorry folks i will not spend a penny on such crap. (i hope if a few
"coding" kids were fired then maybe others would do theirs job more
carefully)

you may don't like words like "crap" or "rubbish" but have you ever
thought if it changes something ?

i can tell you that it doesn't matter. evolution will not work better if
you replace something you dislike by word like "a flaw". 

that's it. now i think about unsubscribing because it's a waste of time
receiving more post. 

one more. openSuse doesn't have gtksudo (why ?) i had to use kdesudo
otherwise i wouldn't even bother with Gnome. Ksnapshot is also far more
convenient.
Krdc too, will not mention Kdiff3.

i consider also moving back to Kmail (under Gnome of course)



On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 06:22 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 10:12 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 00:41 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 11:21 -0400, Rick Stanley wrote:
> > > > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ...
> > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
> > > Read the above.
> > I think what I find surprising (and sad) is that the sig of the OP says
> > that they are "Computer System Consultants" and "Linux & Open Source
> > Specialists" - if they can't figure out how to unsubscribe from a
> > mailing list, what hope is there!
> 
> Hey, you should get out more.  I once explained to a "Computer System
> Consultants" who was billing almost $200/hr how to check the version of
> a Windows DLL file.
> 
> And I think I'm at +3 now!
> 


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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

[Ng Oon-Ee]

Thanks for wasting my time reading through your rant. Have fun with
kmail.

On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 15:34 +0200, Krzysztof Błaszkowski wrote:
> I know another joke like this and it goes as follow:
> 
> evolution user wants to write new mail to a recipient from address book.
> the recipient has a few addresses (e.g. company) let's say he has 3. btw
> it is not possible to assign more than 4, why ?
> 
> okay, user uses "contacts", selects right recipient and points some
> address in the middle of the list displayed in bottom right window (that
> one with contact's personal information).
> 
> user writes mail, sends it and oops, he notices that the mail was sent
> to 1st address from the list of all defined mail addresses.
> 
> then he opens contacts again and does a few tests which make him sure
> that no matter which address he pointed the mail composer would use
> always the 1st address from the list.
> 
> 
> Was it funny ? 
> I think it is far more than winder dll story because it is regarding
> qualifications of evolution developers. (some readers must be told this
> directly)
> 
> I found also a rule how these addresses are sorted and it is not
> alphabetical neither doesn't depend on position of email field from
> "open" form (that one for editing contact's properties). cool. it
> depends on something else. i will not tell.
> 
> 
> But more seriously. I reckon that such errors are not supposed to happen
> in a project which lasts for years. (i would make more allowances if the
> project started 3 months ago). Such errors show only poor code quality
> (people quality) and lack of QA or poor QA quality. (such people should
> be fired out).
> 
> 
> another my conclusion is that if Novell wants to sell SLEDx with such
> applications then i can say to Novell sales (and i bet not only me),
> sorry folks i will not spend a penny on such crap. (i hope if a few
> "coding" kids were fired then maybe others would do theirs job more
> carefully)
> 
> you may don't like words like "crap" or "rubbish" but have you ever
> thought if it changes something ?
> 
> i can tell you that it doesn't matter. evolution will not work better if
> you replace something you dislike by word like "a flaw". 
> 
> that's it. now i think about unsubscribing because it's a waste of time
> receiving more post. 
> 
> one more. openSuse doesn't have gtksudo (why ?) i had to use kdesudo
> otherwise i wouldn't even bother with Gnome. Ksnapshot is also far more
> convenient.
> Krdc too, will not mention Kdiff3.
> 
> i consider also moving back to Kmail (under Gnome of course)

> 


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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

[Krzysztof Błaszkowski]

On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 22:10 +0200, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
> Damn gmail interface. :)
> 
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Jo-Erlend Schinstad 
> Date: 2010/5/25
> Subject: Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe
> To: Krzysztof Błaszkowski 
> 
> 
> 2010/5/25 Krzysztof Błaszkowski :
> >
> > I know another joke like this and it goes as follow:
> 
> [snip confusing rant]
> 
> > Was it funny ?
> 
> No, after careful consideration, I've come to the conclusion that
> you're no comedian.

good.

> 
> > I think it is far more than winder dll story because it is regarding
> > qualifications of evolution developers. (some readers must be told this
> > directly)
> 
> Then perhaps you should mail them directly instead of wasting the time
> of hundreds of innocent human beings.
> 
> [snip more rant]
> 
> > that's it. now i think about unsubscribing because it's a waste of time
> > receiving more post.
> 
> Please do. Seriously, I'm begging you. At least stop posting to the list.
> 
> > one more. openSuse doesn't have gtksudo (why ?) i had to use kdesudo
> > otherwise i wouldn't even bother with Gnome. Ksnapshot is also far more
> > convenient.
> > Krdc too, will not mention Kdiff3.
> 
> What the hell does this have to do with Evolution?

with revolution ? - of course nothing but it states how Gnome overall is
immature.

> 
> > i consider also moving back to Kmail (under Gnome of course)
> 
> Is that a threat?

don't be silly.

>  You can use telnet to write your emails for all I care.

and i am a bloody geek who can compute md5 digest in head.


> 
> > Krzysztof Blaszkowski
> 
> And now, Krzystof... Where is the URL to the bug you're complaining so
> loudly about? I searched for it, but I couldn't find it. Where is your
> bug report? 

you will not see me filling bug reports for such stupid things.
once upon i found that filling bugzilla, contacting authors of various
miseries - all these is useless.


> Actually, I couldn't find any bugs related to you at all.
> My question to you, then, is how do you expect people to solve your
> problems if they don't know they exist?

simple question - simple answer: these "developers" or QA stuff should
give a try by themselves. where was the QA ?

> 
> I filed a bug and I probably spent a lot less time doing that, than
> you spent ranting on about gtksudo (which we normally call gksu or
> gksudo). You can find the bug here:
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=619661
> 

ok. thank you very much. if i cared about this i would enter also a bug
about gnome-power-manager's power state flip-flop toggled by ac adapter
plug/unplug event which can run out of sync e.g. after hibernation on
batteries
and evolution contacts list and gnome window manager which sometimes
lives artificial shadows of windows with working close buttons. it may
happen after resize.


> Am I employed by Novell? No. Am I employed by RedHat or Canonical or
> any of the other significant distro companies? No. Then how come I
> took the time to file a bug? Because that's the beauty of free and
> open source software.

fortunately i didn't buy SLED otherwise such bugs would upset me.

i reckon that this is the problem of open source software and then we
users have to deal with semi-solution designed by semi-smart
semi-developers
or we users have a choice of being experts from everything like
bluetooth, usb, cups, evolution, v4l2, scsi, vtl, physical tapes,
hibernating/suspending (for very long time it didn't work), alsa,
gstreamer, rtsp and lots more.

otoh i start thinking that option could be Solaris or even Winder.



>  If you know it's a bug and it's not in the
> tracker, then add it and enable someone with time and competence to
> fix it.
> 
> In summary, you have become butt of your own bad joke.

the bad joke is attitude these competent someones to theirs work.

i guess they spend hours a day on watching porn like these wall street
brokers between calls to these brokers.

> 
> Hope that helps,

glad you share my point of view.


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[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 17:17 +0200, Krzysztof Błaszkowski wrote:
> > My question to you, then, is how do you expect people to solve your
> > problems if they don't know they exist?
> 
> simple question - simple answer: these "developers" or QA stuff should
> give a try by themselves. where was the QA ?

That attitude just about sums up your ignorance of the free software
development process. Don't you realize that the users *are* the QA?

Please confine your remarks to Evolution. Comments on other aspects of
Gnome are completely off-topic here. Many of us don't even use Gnome.

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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

[Jo-Erlend Schinstad]

2010/5/26 Krzysztof Błaszkowski :
>>
>> In summary, you have become butt of your own bad joke.
>
> the bad joke is attitude these competent someones to theirs work.
>
> i guess they spend hours a day on watching porn like these wall street
> brokers between calls to these brokers.
>
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>
> glad you share my point of view.

You're fired. Good luck,

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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

[Patryk Benderz]

[cut]
> And now, Krzystof... Where is the URL to the bug you're complaining so
> loudly about? I searched for it, but I couldn't find it. Where is your
> bug report? Actually, I couldn't find any bugs related to you at all.
> My question to you, then, is how do you expect people to solve your
> problems if they don't know they exist?
[cut]
> Am I employed by Novell? No. Am I employed by RedHat or Canonical or
> any of the other significant distro companies? No. Then how come I
> took the time to file a bug? Because that's the beauty of free and
> open source software. If you know it's a bug and it's not in the
> tracker, then add it and enable someone with time and competence to
> fix it.
Just a side note: If you would typed his mail's domain name into a web
browser you would find that he did something to contribute to the open
source projects. Although i do not approve his ranting.

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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

[Patryk Benderz]

[cut all]
After two days of reading this thread and digging through Krzysztof's
homepage (BTW, some his projects looks nice) I am getting impression
that he behaves like a troll, so please stop feeding.

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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

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On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 11:14 +0200, Mischa Capazario wrote:

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I looked at this and just started to laugh.
The more I stared, the more I laughed.

In light of all the comments here lately, and the changes to the sig
lines of the list, then this!

Obviously, I found it quite funny!

I know, there's something wrong with me.

Bart  (perhaps I should have top posted my comments)




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> I looked at this and just started to laugh.
> The more I stared, the more I laughed.
> In light of all the comments here lately, and the changes to the sig
> lines of the list, then this!



me +4

> Obviously, I found it quite funny!
> I know, there's something wrong with me.
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On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 23:10 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: 
> On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 19:57 -0500, E. Johnson wrote:
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me +5

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On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 19:00 +0100, Radoslaw Garbacz wrote:
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me +6

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Read at the end of your message!!

On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 09:09 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 19:00 +0100, Radoslaw Garbacz wrote:
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On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 15:19 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> Read at the end of your message!!

Read the link Adam gave 

(and the link within it )

> 
> On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 09:09 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 19:00 +0100, Radoslaw Garbacz wrote:
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Yes, THIS ONE HERE!!!

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On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 14:54 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 15:19 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > Read at the end of your message!!
> 
> Read the link Adam gave 
> 
> (and the link within it )

Yes, I see now! I thought it was a request to unsubscribe. Sorry for not
seeing it was a reply (and for shouting at the wrong person) :-)

> > 
> > On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 09:09 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 19:00 +0100, Radoslaw Garbacz wrote:
> > > > unsubscribe
> > > 
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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe

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On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 16:39 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 14:54 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 15:19 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > > Read at the end of your message!!
> > Read the link Adam gave 
> > (and the link within it )
> Yes, I see now! I thought it was a request to unsubscribe. Sorry for not
> seeing it was a reply (and for shouting at the wrong person) :-)

Don't feel bad; you made this thread amusingly meta.

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[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Mon, 2012-01-23 at 13:20 +0530, Velmurgan R wrote:

> all ready i send the mail to your team dont send the useless mail to
> me this is my third reminder ,

You need to subsubscribe. Use the link at the bottom of every useless
message you have received - including this one

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[Evolution] Unsubscribe from folders on an Exchange server

[Tom]

Hi there :-)

Little problem I have:
I access one of my accounts via EWS with Evolution.
(BTW: It's 3.36.3-0ubuntu1)
While the account has a lot of folders, that I personally do not need,
I unsubscribing from them everytime I see an error while connecting
them, but this does not seem to work as proposed. I still see them in
my user interface and EWS seems to still pull information from there.

Can I check (other way as the GUI), if unsubscribing has worked ?

Best,
Thomas

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Re: [Evolution] Unsubscribe from folders on an Exchange server

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Thu, 2020-08-06 at 15:11 +0200, Tom wrote:
> Can I check (other way as the GUI), if unsubscribing has worked ?

Hi,
the evolution-ews doesn't have any real folder Subscribe/Unsubscribe,
like the IMAP has, the Folder->Subscriptions is used for Public
Folders. You can "subscribe" to a folder of another user, to a foreign
folder, though it's similar like the Public Folders. Only Public
Folders and foreign folders can be unsubscribed.

In other words, user folders cannot be hidden by unsubscribing them.

The evolution-ews offers you all the mail folders the server reports as
existing, keeping the list in sync with the server.
Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe - a wider problem?(a little off-topic)

[Brewster Gillett]

On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 10:12 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 00:41 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 11:21 -0400, Rick Stanley wrote:
> > > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ...
> > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
> > 
> > Read the above.
> > 
> 
> I think what I find surprising (and sad) is that the sig of the OP says
> that they are "Computer System Consultants" and "Linux & Open Source
> Specialists" - if they can't figure out how to unsubscribe from a
> mailing list, what hope is there!
> 
> P.

bg:

I feel sorry for this guy's clients if this is indicative of his level
of awareness. Of course the fact that someone claiming to be a Linux
specialist is using a gmail address, rather than his own domain, is also
a trifle off-putting :-)

I am beginning to think, based on observing the clueless list-directed
unsub requests, and also on several other unrelated observations over
time, that what we may have here is a pandemic failure to read to the
end of documents of all kinds. I'm interested in hearing whether others
have noticed this. So very often, I see people uninformed about
something that they would have possessed full information about if only
they had read a given (something) all the way to the end, rather than
abandoning it partway through.

A good example is the discussion of op-eds. Many people seem to be
unaware that the essay form generally results in a summation of the
points, and sometimes even the first integration of the elements of the
points, in the final paragraph. So they read the first half of the 
editorial, and conclude from this that they know what the writer was
trying to communicate, and proceed to discuss it as if they knew all
about it, and fall flat on their faces because they never bothered
to finish it.

Your thoughts?

Brewster

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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe - a wider problem?(a little off-topic)

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 07:09 -0700, Brewster Gillett wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 10:12 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 00:41 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 11:21 -0400, Rick Stanley wrote:
> > > > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ...
> > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
> > > Read the above.
> > I think what I find surprising (and sad) is that the sig of the OP says
> > that they are "Computer System Consultants" and "Linux & Open Source
> > Specialists" - if they can't figure out how to unsubscribe from a
> > mailing list, what hope is there!
> > P.
> bg:
> I feel sorry for this guy's clients if this is indicative of his level
> of awareness. Of course the fact that someone claiming to be a Linux
> specialist is using a gmail address, rather than his own domain, is also
> a trifle off-putting :-)
> I am beginning to think, based on observing the clueless list-directed
> unsub requests, and also on several other unrelated observations over
> time, that what we may have here is a pandemic failure to read to the
> end of documents of all kinds. I'm interested in hearing whether others
> have noticed this. 

YES!  And certainly not just here.  Coworkers and I were just discussing
that this morning - about e-mails that say at the end of every message:
"This is an automated messages, DO NOT REPLY".  Guess what happens?

> A good example is the discussion of op-eds. Many people seem to be
> unaware that the essay form generally results in a summation of the
> points, and sometimes even the first integration of the elements of the
> points, in the final paragraph. So they read the first half of the 
> editorial, and conclude from this that they know what the writer was
> trying to communicate, and proceed to discuss it as if they knew all
> about it, and fall flat on their faces because they never bothered
> to finish it.
> Your thoughts?

It's hopeless.  It used to drive me crazy.  Learn to touch your inner
zen and move on.Often times the helpless cannot be helped, not
because no one will help them, but because they are unhelpable.

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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe - a wider problem?(a little off-topic)

[Philippe LeCavalier]

On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 10:18 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

> On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 07:09 -0700, Brewster Gillett wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 10:12 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 00:41 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 11:21 -0400, Rick Stanley wrote:
> > > > > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ...
> > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
> > > > Read the above.
> > bg:
> > I feel sorry for this guy's clients if this is indicative of his level
> > of awareness. Of course the fact that someone claiming to be a Linux
> > specialist is using a gmail address, rather than his own domain, is also
> > a trifle off-putting :-)
> > I am beginning to think, based on observing the clueless list-directed
> > unsub requests, and also on several other unrelated observations over
> > time, that what we may have here is a pandemic failure to read to the
> > end of documents of all kinds. I'm interested in hearing whether others
> > have noticed this. 
> 
> YES!  And certainly not just here.  Coworkers and I were just discussing
> that this morning - about e-mails that say at the end of every message:
> "This is an automated messages, DO NOT REPLY".  Guess what happens?
> 
> > A good example is the discussion of op-eds. Many people seem to be
> > unaware that the essay form generally results in a summation of the
> > points, and sometimes even the first integration of the elements of the
> > points, in the final paragraph. So they read the first half of the 
> > editorial, and conclude from this that they know what the writer was
> > trying to communicate, and proceed to discuss it as if they knew all
> > about it, and fall flat on their faces because they never bothered
> > to finish it.
> > Your thoughts?
> _

All this reinforces the severe need for top-posting to die a sudden
death. In fact , this discussion should serve as a proverbial
"nail-in-the-coffin" to that very topic :-))

Phil
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Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe - a wider problem?(a little off-topic)

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 10:44 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote:
[...]
> All this reinforces the severe need for top-posting to die a sudden
> death. In fact , this discussion should serve as a proverbial
> "nail-in-the-coffin" to that very topic :-))

Well said. Top-posting encourages the reader to look only at the
immediate reply without any of the context. The fact that top-posting is
almost invariably accompanied by a full quote of the entire message,
with no attempt at editing for relevance, only exacerbates the problem.

poc

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