Re: [Evolution] Conversion failure, Datastructure mess, Crashes
Sorry for the delay replying. I've been away from the list for a while. I thank you for your help, despite it's occasionally sharp tone. On Fri, 2011-07-08 at 09:29 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: I created the folder fred. It appeared to be created in local only; nothing showed up in local_mbox, though it did show up in evolution's folder list. Why would you expect it to be in local_mbox? local_mbox is a copy of the old, unconverted local files from before the initial conversion. It's not used for anything. Thanks for the info. The info It's not used for anything. is extremely interesting, and not clear from the documentation or earlier postings on this thread to the list. I suppose now I can delete it, or at least its contents. While deleting the mail folder fred, this message appeared in a red error panel: Error while Storing folder 'fred'. Cannot open maildir directory path: /home/jonrysh/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/.fred: No such file or directory This problem has gone away for unknown reasons. After you created the folder within Evolution under local, does the directory ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/.fred exist? What are its permissions and ownership? What are the permissions on the directory ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local? Directory ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/.fred does exist. Permissions are: $ ll -d .fred drwx--. 5 jonrysh jonrysh 4096 Jul 6 12:07 .fred/ What is the output of the command ls -la ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/ $ ls -la ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/ | head -20 total 302276 drwx--. 127 jonrysh jonrysh 20480 Jul 12 22:21 . drwx--. 11 jonrysh jonrysh 4096 Jul 6 11:55 .. -rw-rw-r--. 1 jonrysh jonrysh 7 Jul 12 20:40 ..#evolution.Junk.cmeta -rw-rw-r--. 1 jonrysh jonrysh13 Jul 12 22:21 ..cmeta -rw---. 1 jonrysh jonrysh 8080384 Jul 12 10:42 ..ibex.index -rw---. 1 jonrysh jonrysh 17086516 Jul 12 10:42 ..ibex.index.data -rw-rw-r--. 1 jonrysh jonrysh 9 Jul 6 11:55 ..maildir++ drwx--. 5 jonrysh jonrysh 4096 Jul 6 12:06 .Drafts -rw-rw-r--. 1 jonrysh jonrysh13 Jul 12 21:55 .Drafts.cmeta -rw---. 1 jonrysh jonrysh 17408 Jul 12 20:40 .Drafts.ibex.index -rw---. 1 jonrysh jonrysh 8288 Jul 12 20:40 .Drafts.ibex.index.data drwx--. 5 jonrysh jonrysh 4096 Jul 6 12:09 .Outbox -rw-rw-r--. 1 jonrysh jonrysh13 Jul 12 20:40 .Outbox.cmeta -rw---. 1 jonrysh jonrysh 7168 Jul 6 15:09 .Outbox.ibex.index -rw---. 1 jonrysh jonrysh 8 Jul 6 15:10 .Outbox.ibex.index.data drwx--. 5 jonrysh jonrysh 4096 Jul 6 12:09 .Sent -rw-rw-r--. 1 jonrysh jonrysh13 Jul 12 22:16 .Sent.cmeta -rw---. 1 jonrysh jonrysh771072 Jul 12 21:47 .Sent.ibex.index -rw---. 1 jonrysh jonrysh 1040308 Jul 12 21:47 .Sent.ibex.index.data What sort of filesystem is your home directory on? ext3 The datastructures are becoming clear. It seems that each folder (say fred) is matched by files and a directory in .../evolution/mail/local of the form: $ lf .fred* .fred.cmeta .fred.ibex.index .fred.ibex.index.data .fred: cur/ new/ tmp/ with the files forming an index into the messages, which are stored in .mackay/cur . I hadn't thought to do an ls -A on .local, and so didn't see any of these files. (Why are these named .fred, etc rather than fred?) Also, what is the function of the visible files: $ lf local cur/ folders.db new/ tmp/ that is to say, what kind of messages are stored in .../mail/local/cur ? The folder mackay was converted from the 2.26.x version to the 3.0.x version. While moving a message from mail folder Sent to mail folder mackay, this message appeared in a red error panel: Error while Moving messages to 'maildir:/home/jonrysh/.local/share/evolution/mail/local#mackay Cannot transfer message to destination folder: No such file or directory That doesn't look like a valid path, it should end in mail/local/.mackay I would think so too. But the message was cut from the error box and pasted into my posting. This problem has also gone away after *copying* a message into the folder mackay. The bottom line is that all the things you are talking about work fine for everyone else. One possibility is that you have corrupted binaries somewhere - you can test this by creating a new Linux account and setting up evolution on that - you don't need to connect it to a server or download any mail or convert anything. You should be able to do the operations you are talking about (like create folders etc.) without any problems on the pristine
Re: [Evolution] Conversion failure, Datastructure mess, Crashes
I created the folder fred. It appeared to be created in local only; nothing showed up in local_mbox, though it did show up in evolution's folder list. Why would you expect it to be in local_mbox? local_mbox is a copy of the old, unconverted local files from before the initial conversion. It's not used for anything. Thanks for the info. The info It's not used for anything. is extremely interesting, and not clear from the documentation or earlier postings on this thread to the list. I suppose now I can delete it, or at least its contents. The problem probably stems from the aborted initial conversion - after the conversion completes correctly you should be presented with a dialogue box that tells you about local_mbox. What sort of filesystem is your home directory on? ext3 The permissions all look fine - the reason I ask about the filesystem is that I've seen issues where people try to use an NFS mounted filesystem as their $HOME and locking becomes a major issue. You should also see the mess when someone was using an SMB filesystem as their home. The datastructures are becoming clear. It seems that each folder (say fred) is matched by files and a directory in .../evolution/mail/local of the form: $ lf .fred* .fred.cmeta .fred.ibex.index .fred.ibex.index.data .fred: cur/ new/ tmp/ with the files forming an index into the messages, which are stored in .mackay/cur . I hadn't thought to do an ls -A on .local, and so didn't see any of these files. (Why are these named .fred, etc rather than fred?) Because that's the Maildir standard - or rather in this case Maildir++ Also, what is the function of the visible files: $ lf local cur/ folders.db new/ tmp/ that is to say, what kind of messages are stored in .../mail/local/cur ? Again that's the Maildir standard - received messages are initially put in tmp, then when the whole of the message is written, they are moved to new. When an MUA reads the message it is moved to cur. This storage method is to ensure the integrity of the message during various operations. The other files you see are Evolution specific and contain indexes and meta data to speed up searches. There is information out there on the net about Maildir - I would suggest wikipedia, but the article about Maildir is not brilliant! P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Conversion failure, Datastructure mess, Crashes
I created the folder fred. It appeared to be created in local only; nothing showed up in local_mbox, though it did show up in evolution's folder list. Why would you expect it to be in local_mbox? local_mbox is a copy of the old, unconverted local files from before the initial conversion. It's not used for anything. While deleting the mail folder fred, this message appeared in a red error panel: Error while Storing folder 'fred'. Cannot open maildir directory path: /home/jonrysh/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/.fred: No such file or directory After you created the folder within Evolution under local, does the directory ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/.fred exist? What are its permissions and ownership? What are the permissions on the directory ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local ? What is the output of the command ls -la ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/ What sort of filesystem is your home directory on? The folder mackay was converted from the 2.26.x version to the 3.0.x version. While moving a message from mail folder Sent to mail folder mackay, this message appeared in a red error panel: Error while Moving messages to 'maildir:/home/jonrysh/.local/share/evolution/mail/local#mackay Cannot transfer message to destination folder: No such file or directory That doesn't look like a valid path, it should end in mail/local/.mackay The bottom line is that all the things you are talking about work fine for everyone else. One possibility is that you have corrupted binaries somewhere - you can test this by creating a new Linux account and setting up evolution on that - you don't need to connect it to a server or download any mail or convert anything. You should be able to do the operations you are talking about (like create folders etc.) without any problems on the pristine evolution. If you can't, then there is something seriously borked with your system. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Conversion failure, Datastructure mess, Crashes
On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 00:52 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: I have reinitialized Evolution starting with a backup that I made before upgrading Fedora. The problem continues, and seem to have nothing to do with the crash that happened when Evolution initialized itself the first time (reported in comment 3). The situation is rather worse than I had thought. I've submitted a long comment to bug 653957 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=653957 A summary of the problems follows; there's more info in the comment to the bug report. I created the folder fred. It appeared to be created in local only; nothing showed up in local_mbox, though it did show up in evolution's folder list. While deleting the mail folder fred, this message appeared in a red error panel: Error while Storing folder 'fred'. Cannot open maildir directory path: /home/jonrysh/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/.fred: No such file or directory The mail folder was deleted. The folder mackay was converted from the 2.26.x version to the 3.0.x version. While moving a message from mail folder Sent to mail folder mackay, this message appeared in a red error panel: Error while Moving messages to 'maildir:/home/jonrysh/.local/share/evolution/mail/local#mackay Cannot transfer message to destination folder: No such file or directory The message was not moved. If messages are copied from a newly created folder (not converted), to an old (converted) folder, the Sender: field is lost. That is, the Sender field appears as blank when the message is displayed. If there is a filter on outgoing mail which requires a message to be refiled into a converted folder, evolution crashes. (The original crash report is an example of this.) However if the folder is newly created (not converted) the sending process hangs, and the message is never sent. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Conversion failure, Datastructure mess, Crashes
On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 08:58 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: I have just upgraded from Fedora-13 to Fedora-15, which uses a maildir format rather than the mbox format previously used. Yet again: telling people the version of the OS is not helpful. You need to mention the version of Evolution. Since I also use Fedora, I happen to know that it's 3.0.x, but not everyone on the list will know that. Evolution crashed in the conversion process, leaving me in a mixed state with a few of the maildir folders, which are (I think) in ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/cur and most of the remaining data structure in mbox form in various files in ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local_mbox Did it say anything when it crashed? Is there anything in /var/log/messages? Did abrt intervene (since this is Fedora)? Since I've been using evolution about 4 days since the upgrade, some of my messages are in one format, and some in the other, and some in both. Also, Evolution now crashes whenever it has to file a message I have sent in a folder other than Sent, probably because there is no folder available of the right kind. A bug in the version of Evo 3 distributed with Fedora 15 (now corrected in updates) means you have to explicitly select your Sent, Drafts etc. folders the first time. However the symptom is not a crash but an error message. Which is it? You can import mbox files into Evo, so that might be a way of unifying your mailboxes. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Conversion failure, Datastructure mess, Crashes
On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 10:29 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: [...] Do you know the version of the buggy system, the version of the corrected one? (8-). No, but if you already ran Evo it doesn't matter as it won't try to convert again. Just go to the account info under Preferences, select Defaults and point to the Sent and Draft folders. That should be enough. You can import mbox files into Evo, so that might be a way of unifying your mailboxes. How can I avoid duplicate instances of the same message? There's supposed to be a Detect Duplicates plugin somewhere, though it doesn't seem to be in the default Fedora install. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Conversion failure, Datastructure mess, Crashes
On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 15:17 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: There's supposed to be a Detect Duplicates plugin somewhere, though it doesn't seem to be in the default Fedora install. It's built in now as of 3.0. Message - Remove Duplicate Messages However it's very conservative in what it considers a duplicate. It uses both the Message-ID and a SHA-256 checksum of the entire message to check for equality. Sometimes messages that appear to be duplicates in the message list actually aren't. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
