Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
On Fri, 2015-03-13 at 15:45 +, Pete Biggs wrote: Another change that would help with the same issues would be the ability to save the reply message in the same folder with the received message, rather than having it automatically go to the Sent folder. Edit - Preferences - select account - Edit - Defaults - Save replies in the folder of the message being replied to. P. Thanks, I'm glad to see that this has been added--it does not exist in version 2.32.3 that I use because it comes with RedHat 6.6. George Reeke ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 15:38 +, Joakim Tjernlund wrote: Are memo/task evolution specific? If so, that is a blocker for me. Hi, not at all, those are just iCalendar sources containing tasks or memos, just like calendars contain events. The disadvantage is that you need the same calendar/task list/memo list accessible from all machines you want to use for notes on mail messages. With compare of a note being stored on the message itself, at least readable by any client (it might depend on actual implementation). Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
For one, you could argue about the security of e-mail compared to other means of communication. However, opening up a possibility to change a message at it is still on a server by an outside party is inviting fraud. The usability you have requested, notes in an e-mail and have it available in all clients, can easily be achieved through either a mail to task or mail to note command that is already available. A simple flag-toggle will make it easy to find for later reference. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
Hi, Another change that would help with the same issues would be the ability to save the reply message in the same folder with the received message, rather than having it automatically go to the Sent folder. I currently don't have access to my Evolution installation, but this feature is already available (IIRC in the account settings). Bye, Christoph ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 14:25 +0100, Matthijs van Wolferen LL.M wrote: For one, you could argue about the security of e-mail compared to other means of communication. However, opening up a possibility to change a message at it is still on a server by an outside party is inviting fraud. The usability you have requested, notes in an e-mail and have it available in all clients, can easily be achieved through either a mail to task or mail to note command that is already available. A simple flag-toggle will make it easy to find for later reference. I don't know about anybody else, but I was never talking about changing mail on some server. I was talking about changing emails on my machine that I have downloaded from a POP server. I would really like to be able to delete repeated parts of threads, add notes on how I responded, etc. Nobody else will ever see it. Another change that would help with the same issues would be the ability to save the reply message in the same folder with the received message, rather than having it automatically go to the Sent folder. Regards, George Reeke ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
Another change that would help with the same issues would be the ability to save the reply message in the same folder with the received message, rather than having it automatically go to the Sent folder. Edit - Preferences - select account - Edit - Defaults - Save replies in the folder of the message being replied to. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 23:49 +, Joakim Tjernlund wrote: Sure but I should not have to. I really would like to see this feature in a future release. Hi, you can right-click the message in the message list and choose Edit as New, but it is still not the same as editing existing message. Messages are not office documents, they are not meant to be changed. You cannot change the past, not yet at least. :-) I mean, do not expect anything more direct than the Edit as New in Evolution. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 15:26 +, Joakim Tjernlund wrote: Sometimes I want to add comments to an existing email but I cannot find how to, if possible. Altering the content of an existing email and adding a comment to an email sound like different things, but both are not possible currently. andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 17:06 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote: On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 15:26 +, Joakim Tjernlund wrote: Sometimes I want to add comments to an existing email but I cannot find how to, if possible. Altering the content of an existing email and adding a comment to an email sound like different things, but both are not possible currently. IMHO this is not a limitation of Evo specifically. I don't know of any server implementation that allows you to alter an existing message. What you do on your own local copy of a message is another thing, but I wouldn't expect an MUA to support it directly. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 12:17 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: It makes no sense to do this. [snip] ? How about a message that's digitally signed? Maybe what you actually want is not exactly what you said, but I for one am at a loss to understand what your point is. I don't know what the OP wants, anyway, some people might like to get an option to underline something, to ad a Post-it note, bookmarks and similar. IOW there's no need to modify the original message, just editing it in the same way a letter written on paper can be edited should be possible. Something like this might be a good feature, OTOH it would make Evolution more bloated and likely would be a seldom used feature. I guess that I don't need such a feature, but sometimes it could be handy. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Milan Crha mc...@redhat.com wrote: Hi, right. I think there was a feature request for this (the initial thread subject) in GNOME's bugzilla, but I cannot find it right now. Rather than Edit existing email it might be Add a note to existing email. I think Milans' proposal is good. FYI, pure 'create a new memo from or create a task from options are not as good since they create a copy of the full information in the email rather than linking to the email. -- Emre ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:06 AM, Bart Hollis b...@conures.us wrote: I guess I don't understand. I sure wouldn't want you to be able to modify a message I sent to you and claim it was my message! And, if it was your message originally, you obviously wouldn't be able to change it once it's on my machine! (Yay POP!) So, why would you want to change a message after the fact? I think this is a legitimate request for usability. I also sometimes find myself in corporate emailing to put some thoughts or notes onto emails that came from others, and I want this note to be available in all my clients. Else I find myself putting such notes elsewhere, without a proper hard link to that email message. If you need your email to be secure, you can sign it. The topic of such request, in my understanding, is not counterfeiting, since it can always be done if one wants it (even when simply forwarding!). Email is inherently not secure. +1 from me on this request. -- Emre ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 17:08 +0400, Emre Erenoglu wrote: On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:06 AM, Bart Hollis b...@conures.us wrote: I guess I don't understand. I sure wouldn't want you to be able to modify a message I sent to you and claim it was my message! And, if it was your message originally, you obviously wouldn't be able to change it once it's on my machine! (Yay POP!) So, why would you want to change a message after the fact? I think this is a legitimate request for usability. I also sometimes find myself in corporate emailing to put some thoughts or notes onto emails that came from others, and I want this note to be available in all my clients. Else I find myself putting such notes elsewhere, without a proper hard link to that email message. I understand the workflow. I would recommend you use the Create a Task or Create a Memo options - this is pretty much what they are for. That copies the e-mail to a task or memo to which you can perform a variety of operations. Memos are great, and overlooked. If you need your email to be secure, you can sign it. The topic of such request, in my understanding, is not counterfeiting, Yea, but you don't work this users. Users will get *very* confused by this, I guarantee it. They will edit an e-mail, read it later, and think that was the contents - unless the edit is *very* clearly distinct from the message. I guarantee it. -- Adam Tauno Williams mailto:awill...@whitemice.org GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 17:08 +0400, Emre Erenoglu wrote: I think this is a legitimate request for usability. I also sometimes find myself in corporate emailing to put some thoughts or notes onto emails that came from others, and I want this note to be available in all my clients. Reply to that email, sent the reply only to yourself or to store your reply in the same folder use threaded view. andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 08:47 +0100, Milan Crha wrote: On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 23:49 +, Joakim Tjernlund wrote: Sure but I should not have to. I really would like to see this feature in a future release. you can right-click the message in the message list and choose Edit as New, but it is still not the same as editing existing message. Messages are not office documents, they are not meant to be changed. You cannot change the past, not yet at least. :-) I mean, do not expect anything more direct than the Edit as New in Evolution. Or nothing more direct than the excellent functionality of Create a Task or Create a memo which has been available for decades. -- Adam Tauno Williams mailto:awill...@whitemice.org GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 09:37 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Or nothing more direct than the excellent functionality of Create a Task or Create a memo which has been available for decades. Hi, right. I think there was a feature request for this (the initial thread subject) in GNOME's bugzilla, but I cannot find it right now. Rather than Edit existing email it might be Add a note to existing email. That's different in a way that I would not let users change the original content. Briefly thinking of it, changing message content into multipart/mixed (or similar) and having the first subpart the original message content (thus the encryption or signatures are preserved and working), and the second subpart being the actual note (which can be also multipart or anything). That would not fix the message ID on the server, each save would delete the original message and add a new one in the folder, which would look like the original message with added content. Kind of an opposite operation to Remove attachments function. Just a quick idea on the subject. There are many options, like edit and have only one note on the message, or have it like a conversation with timestamp without a way to edit old conversations - probably each would find its use. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 15:26 +, Joakim Tjernlund wrote: Sometimes I want to add comments to an existing email but I cannot find how to, if possible. I brought this up on this list about 5 years ago and was told that incoming emails should never be edited because there should be a record of exactly what was received. This obviously could be important in some business environments, but it seemed absurd to me because anybody with a little bit of skill can edit the message after it is stored (and fake the timestamp if they want). I still would like this and second your request to have the feature added to evolution, if necessary with an administrative option to inactivate it. Please publish the number here if you put this on bugzilla and I will add a comment. George Reeke ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 20:12 +0400, Emre Erenoglu wrote: 2) Finding that email with the comment (or even remembering that you had commented on it), would be troublesome. If I forward it, it would be coming from me in my mailbox, and it would take extra steps to locate that mail in the future (ie after a few months, a year, etc.) You could add labels to the original and to the copied/edited mails. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 17:25 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 20:12 +0400, Emre Erenoglu wrote: 2) Finding that email with the comment (or even remembering that you had commented on it), would be troublesome. If I forward it, it would be coming from me in my mailbox, and it would take extra steps to locate that mail in the future (ie after a few months, a year, etc.) You could add labels to the original and to the copied/edited mails. This is getting ridiculous, would you be prepared do all that extra work to add a simple note? This is same as sending patches inline or as attachments, lots of extra work to comment on patches when attached and generally frowned upon. Jocke ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 18:22 +0400, Emre Erenoglu wrote: On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Milan Crha mc...@redhat.com wrote: Hi, right. I think there was a feature request for this (the initial thread subject) in GNOME's bugzilla, but I cannot find it right now. Rather than Edit existing email it might be Add a note to existing email. I think Milans' proposal is good. FYI, pure 'create a new memo from or create a task from options are not as good since they create a copy of the full information in the email rather than linking to the email. Are memo/task evolution specific? If so, that is a blocker for me. Jocke ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 15:44 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote: On Thu, 2015-03-12 at 17:08 +0400, Emre Erenoglu wrote: I think this is a legitimate request for usability. I also sometimes find myself in corporate emailing to put some thoughts or notes onto emails that came from others, and I want this note to be available in all my clients. Reply to that email, sent the reply only to yourself or to store your reply in the same folder use threaded view. To the man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Some things are better handled by different tools and email was never intended to do every possible kind of communication or information management. Case in point: http://nyti.ms/19cPNJG (which coincidentally appeared today). poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
I guess I don't understand. I sure wouldn't want you to be able to modify a message I sent to you and claim it was my message! And, if it was your message originally, you obviously wouldn't be able to change it once it's on my machine! (Yay POP!) So, why would you want to change a message after the fact? To add a note how the sender thought it appropriate to ask this of you or how you responded to the message. George Reeke ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 6:44 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: Reply to that email, sent the reply only to yourself or to store your reply in the same folder use threaded view. Hi Andre, yes, but 1) This would create another copy of same message, not efficient. 2) Finding that email with the comment (or even remembering that you had commented on it), would be troublesome. If I forward it, it would be coming from me in my mailbox, and it would take extra steps to locate that mail in the future (ie after a few months, a year, etc.) -- Emre ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 23:49 +, Joakim Tjernlund wrote: On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 20:46 +, Emilio Recio wrote: Hello, the way around is to copy the email you want to annotate (it could be your or someone else's email) to your draft folder. After copying it there, open the email you just copied. You should then be set to Edit as new... as the feature from Thunderbird. Sure but I should not have to. I really would like to see this feature in a future release. Jocke -e On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 15:26 +, Joakim Tjernlund wrote: Sometimes I want to add comments to an existing email but I cannot find how to, if possible. I guess I don't understand. I sure wouldn't want you to be able to modify a message I sent to you and claim it was my message! And, if it was your message originally, you obviously wouldn't be able to change it once it's on my machine! (Yay POP!) So, why would you want to change a message after the fact? ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 23:49 +, Joakim Tjernlund wrote: On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 20:46 +, Emilio Recio wrote: Hello, the way around is to copy the email you want to annotate (it could be your or someone else's email) to your draft folder. After copying it there, open the email you just copied. You should then be set to Edit as new... as the feature from Thunderbird. Sure but I should not have to. I really would like to see this feature in a future release. It makes no sense to do this. As others have said, you can create a new message by editing an old one, but it's a *new message*. Being able to edit an old message is a can of worms. Are you going to edit all the copies everyone else received? How about editing a message sent by someone else? Are you going to change the copy they have on their own mailstore? How about a message that's digitally signed? Maybe what you actually want is not exactly what you said, but I for one am at a loss to understand what your point is. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
Hello, the way around is to copy the email you want to annotate (it could be your or someone else's email) to your draft folder. After copying it there, open the email you just copied. You should then be set to Edit as new... as the feature from Thunderbird. -e On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 15:26 +, Joakim Tjernlund wrote: Sometimes I want to add comments to an existing email but I cannot find how to, if possible. The information contained in this transmission contains privileged and confidential information. It is intended only for the use of the person named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. CAUTION: Intended recipients should NOT use email communication for emergent or urgent health care matters. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Edit an existing email?
On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 20:46 +, Emilio Recio wrote: Hello, the way around is to copy the email you want to annotate (it could be your or someone else's email) to your draft folder. After copying it there, open the email you just copied. You should then be set to Edit as new... as the feature from Thunderbird. Sure but I should not have to. I really would like to see this feature in a future release. Jocke -e On Wed, 2015-03-11 at 15:26 +, Joakim Tjernlund wrote: Sometimes I want to add comments to an existing email but I cannot find how to, if possible. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
