Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....
On Sat, 2022-10-22 at 10:52 +0200, Philippe Lefèvre wrote: > Yes, this "Social Networks" orientation with these likes, badges and > other school gadgets is really appalling even though today's "majors" > (Facebook, Apple etc ...) are having a field day capturing kids (... > and big kids). > > An option in one's own personal Evolution profile to remove this > useless and uninteresting stuff would be welcome. > That's not really possible - as far as I can see the levels and badges are a fundamental part of what Discourse is. It's called "gamification". P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....
Yes, this "Social Networks" orientation with these likes, badges and other school gadgets is really appalling even though today's "majors" (Facebook, Apple etc ...) are having a field day capturing kids (... and big kids). An option in one's own personal Evolution profile to remove this useless and uninteresting stuff would be welcome. Regards, PhL Le 21/10/2022 à 18:03, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list a écrit : On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 17:29 +0200, Torsten Krah wrote: Am Freitag, dem 21.10.2022 um 14:51 + schrieb Sorin Srbu: Oh, great. LOL! Now I have to wipe off that coffee I blurted out on the monitors laughing while reading these two comments. :*) Same for me here, that made my day Hi, the best comedy comment was made by Sorin Srbu [1]. Here primary school children get a smiley stamp for good work and Pete pretty sure gets a badge for his hard work. For this forum folks we are circus monkeys or at best primary school children and we get rewarded with the sound of a click frog, if we do what they want. Basically, we are humiliated and insulted. Regards, Ralf [1] On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 14:10 +, Sorin Srbu wrote: I'm pretty sure you'll get a badge by tomorrow for your effort today! ;-) ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....
On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 21:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
wrote:
> As long as nobody succeeded, there is nobody who can help other to
> replicate success. It's at least my {,mis}understanding that nobody
> succeeded.
I overwhelmed by all the email about this topic and just deleted it
all.
You can count me in the category of people who have zero use for web
forums of any type and Discourse is in that category as well.
However I was able to get it to work, without too much effort, using
the example method linked in the announcement (the Gimp example).
I signed up (I used my actual email address to create an account, I
didn't link it to any other online account).
I clicked "all tags" and typed in "evolution" to find Evolution
messages. You can also scroll down in the "tags" list to find it.
Then I clicked the little bell icon on the upper right (next to "New
Topic") and switched the status to "Watching".
Then I went to my Preferences (under the upper right user icon),
"Emails", and changed "Email me when I am quoted, <...>" to "always".
I disabled everything below that ("Activity Summary" and "Mailing list
mode"). My understanding is you really DO NOT want to enable "Mailing
list mode" because it will send you an email for every post to the
Discourse system.
I then got busy and ignored it for a day. Maybe that helped me avoid
odd wait time errors etc. :)
This morning I noticed that I had a bunch of email from Discourse RE
Evolution. I was able to reply to one of those emails, and I see it
showed up OK including quoting etc. I have no idea what my "level" is,
or how to find it: I've not spent any time on the web site. Since I
don't go there, I also don't care about silly things like badges or
whatever.
The Discourse messages are being properly threaded from what I see, but
I haven't used it "in anger" enough to say there aren't some broken
thread issues here, somewhere.
I am having only these problems, already discussed here:
1. I have no good way to sort email into folders like I used to
because there are no email headers containing the tags that
Discourse uses to sort messages.
2. I have no idea how I can _reliably_ post new topics to the
Discourse system and have them assigned the right tag, and hence
get forwarded to other people who are watching the server using
this method.
3. Smaller annoyance: it really seems like Discourse batches up
email and only sends it once an hour or something like that. I
could be wrong about this as I've not done any real experiments.
If that's the case, that would also be frustrating.
These are definitely serious deficiencies in this new service, and I
hope that someone will find a way to address them.
But fundamentally it seems to work, in that I get email and I can
reply. So it meets the bare minimum definition of a "mailing list".
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Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....
On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 20:30 +0200, Andrea Veri wrote: > There will always be someone complaining but it's fundamental to give > things a try and helping out others to succeed as well making sure > their workflow is replicated to the new tool/platform/protocol. I think this diminishes the frustrations that people are having here in a way that is unhelpful. On the other hand it does allow another Douglas Adams quote, "It's a bypass. You've got to build bypasses." Dan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....
On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 13:37 -0500, Greg Oliver via evolution-list wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 1:31 PM Andrea Veri wrote:
> > There will always be someone complaining but it's fundamental to
> > give things a try and helping out others to succeed as well making
> > sure their workflow is replicated to the new tool/platform/protocol.
Hi,
I gave it a try, but it is an annoyance that doesn't work. Some minority
of subscribers is probably complaining, because the majority isn't aware
of the announcement, yet. As long as nobody succeeded, there is nobody
who can help other to replicate success. It's at least my
{,mis}understanding that nobody succeeded. My understanding is that some
are still willing to test it for while, but nobody seems to like the
experiences made until now.
> Good luck keeping those of us who are absolutely unwilling to join a
> forum.
As one of those who are unwilling to join Discourse, I wish good luck
with keeping those, who are still giving it a chance. Those who ignore
levels, badges and other oddities, are on the long run probably not
amused by HTML emails with remote content.
Regards,
Ralf
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Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....
On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 1:31 PM Andrea Veri wrote: > Pete, > > Emmanuele is looking into it, thanks for all your efforts here! With any > change it comes some pain, when we initially moved from cgit to GitLab a > lot of people complained on with more features comes additional complexity, > when we introduced Matrix to IRC many complained we were slowly going away > from a protocol that has been around in the community for ages. > > There will always be someone complaining but it's fundamental to give > things a try and helping out others to succeed as well making sure their > workflow is replicated to the new tool/platform/protocol. > > Thanks again for your efforts here! Really appreciate it! > Andrea, I really appreciate the efforts, but you also have to understand you are replacing something very simple with something more complex.. Anyhow - this is my last post on the subject, and while Pete is willing to at least try, I am not. Good luck keeping those of us who are absolutely unwilling to join a forum.. -Greg > On Fri, Oct 21, 2022, 19:24 Pete Biggs wrote: > >> On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 15:03 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: >> > What new fresh hell is this: >> > >> >We appreciate your enthusiasm, keep it up! That said, for the safety >> >of our community, you’ve reached the maximum number of replies a new >> >user can create on their first day. Please wait 21 hours and you’ll >> >be able to create more replies. >> > >> > I can't even reply to my own Topic in "Site Feedback". >> > >> > I wondered why my email reply to a user I WAS TRYING TO HELP hadn't >> > appeared. It looks like it was just silently dropped. >> >> The frustration is that I can see posts that I could comment on and >> help people with following what I've found today, but I can't because >> I've been banned for 21 hours - for what? Being too enthusiastic and >> trying to get to grips with the system in the disgustingly short >> timescale we've been given; trying to sort out the issues even though >> we were told it just works and that it's an oven-ready, pain-free >> solution. >> >> 20 years of helping people with Evolution and I've been told to sit >> down at the back of the class because I'm making too much noise. >> >> The first day of using this thing does not appear to have been an >> overwhelming success. For anyone. >> >> I may, or may not, return after being released from the sin-bin. >> >> P. >> >> ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....
Pete, Emmanuele is looking into it, thanks for all your efforts here! With any change it comes some pain, when we initially moved from cgit to GitLab a lot of people complained on with more features comes additional complexity, when we introduced Matrix to IRC many complained we were slowly going away from a protocol that has been around in the community for ages. There will always be someone complaining but it's fundamental to give things a try and helping out others to succeed as well making sure their workflow is replicated to the new tool/platform/protocol. Thanks again for your efforts here! Really appreciate it! On Fri, Oct 21, 2022, 19:24 Pete Biggs wrote: > On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 15:03 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > What new fresh hell is this: > > > >We appreciate your enthusiasm, keep it up! That said, for the safety > >of our community, you’ve reached the maximum number of replies a new > >user can create on their first day. Please wait 21 hours and you’ll > >be able to create more replies. > > > > I can't even reply to my own Topic in "Site Feedback". > > > > I wondered why my email reply to a user I WAS TRYING TO HELP hadn't > > appeared. It looks like it was just silently dropped. > > The frustration is that I can see posts that I could comment on and > help people with following what I've found today, but I can't because > I've been banned for 21 hours - for what? Being too enthusiastic and > trying to get to grips with the system in the disgustingly short > timescale we've been given; trying to sort out the issues even though > we were told it just works and that it's an oven-ready, pain-free > solution. > > 20 years of helping people with Evolution and I've been told to sit > down at the back of the class because I'm making too much noise. > > The first day of using this thing does not appear to have been an > overwhelming success. For anyone. > > I may, or may not, return after being released from the sin-bin. > > P. > > ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....
On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 15:03 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > What new fresh hell is this: > >We appreciate your enthusiasm, keep it up! That said, for the safety >of our community, you’ve reached the maximum number of replies a new >user can create on their first day. Please wait 21 hours and you’ll >be able to create more replies. > > I can't even reply to my own Topic in "Site Feedback". > > I wondered why my email reply to a user I WAS TRYING TO HELP hadn't > appeared. It looks like it was just silently dropped. The frustration is that I can see posts that I could comment on and help people with following what I've found today, but I can't because I've been banned for 21 hours - for what? Being too enthusiastic and trying to get to grips with the system in the disgustingly short timescale we've been given; trying to sort out the issues even though we were told it just works and that it's an oven-ready, pain-free solution. 20 years of helping people with Evolution and I've been told to sit down at the back of the class because I'm making too much noise. The first day of using this thing does not appear to have been an overwhelming success. For anyone. I may, or may not, return after being released from the sin-bin. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....
On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 17:29 +0200, Torsten Krah wrote: > Am Freitag, dem 21.10.2022 um 14:51 + schrieb Sorin Srbu: > > Oh, great. LOL! > > Now I have to wipe off that coffee I blurted out on the monitors > > laughing while reading these two comments. :*) > > Same for me here, that made my day Hi, the best comedy comment was made by Sorin Srbu [1]. Here primary school children get a smiley stamp for good work and Pete pretty sure gets a badge for his hard work. For this forum folks we are circus monkeys or at best primary school children and we get rewarded with the sound of a click frog, if we do what they want. Basically, we are humiliated and insulted. Regards, Ralf [1] On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 14:10 +, Sorin Srbu wrote: > I'm pretty sure you'll get a badge by tomorrow for your effort today! ;-) ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....
Am Freitag, dem 21.10.2022 um 14:51 + schrieb Sorin Srbu via evolution-list: > Oh, great. LOL! > Now I have to wipe off that coffee I blurted out on the monitors > laughing > while reading these two comments. :*) Same for me here, that made my day, although the whole topic about closing this list + moving to discourse is not really funny at all but you nailed it Ralf + Pete - I am still giggling now and than thinking about those 2 comments of yours. cheers Torsten -- ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....
On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 15:33 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 16:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 14:10 +, Sorin Srbu wrote: > > > I'm pretty sure you'll get a badge by tomorrow for your effort today! > > > ;-) > > > > He's close to the next level :D. > > > Close to something ... I can assure this subject of this was not the > first thing I typed. :D You were probably full of praise for the Social Credit System when you first started typing. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....
On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 15:33 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 14:10 +, Sorin Srbu via evolution-list wrote: > > > I'm pretty sure you'll get a badge by tomorrow for your effort today! > > > ;-) > > > > He's close to the next level :D. > > > Close to something ... I can assure this subject of this was not the > first thing I typed. > Oh, great. LOL! Now I have to wipe off that coffee I blurted out on the monitors laughing while reading these two comments. :*) -- Sorin Srbu, Serverdrift Tele: 08-524 84166 Karolinska Institutet Universitetsbibliotek Avdelningen för Verksamhetsstöd Enheten för Teknikstöd och Bildproduktion # They say you can't buy happiness, but you can buy a # motorcycle, and that's pretty damn close! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....
On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 16:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list wrote: > On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 14:10 +, Sorin Srbu via evolution-list wrote: > > I'm pretty sure you'll get a badge by tomorrow for your effort today! > > ;-) > > He's close to the next level :D. > Close to something ... I can assure this subject of this was not the first thing I typed. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....
On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 14:10 +, Sorin Srbu via evolution-list wrote: > I'm pretty sure you'll get a badge by tomorrow for your effort today! > ;-) He's close to the next level :D. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Oh for heavens sake ....
On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 15:03 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > What new fresh hell is this: > > We appreciate your enthusiasm, keep it up! That said, for the safety > of our community, you’ve reached the maximum number of replies a new > user can create on their first day. Please wait 21 hours and you’ll > be able to create more replies. > > I can't even reply to my own Topic in "Site Feedback". > > I wondered why my email reply to a user I WAS TRYING TO HELP hadn't > appeared. It looks like it was just silently dropped. > I'm pretty sure you'll get a badge by tomorrow for your effort today! ;-) -- Sorin Srbu, Serverdrift Tele: 08-524 84166 Karolinska Institutet Universitetsbibliotek Avdelningen för Verksamhetsstöd Enheten för Teknikstöd och Bildproduktion # They say you can't buy happiness, but you can buy a # motorcycle, and that's pretty damn close! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
