RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)

2002-01-11 Thread Roger Seielstad

Fix the routing.

We route a mixture of RFC1918 and public addresses on our networks with no
problems. And we've got a LOT of networks.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Senior Systems Administrator
Peregrine Systems
Atlanta, GA
http://www.peregrine.com


 -Original Message-
 From: John Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 2:31 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)
 
 
 Yes,  I know it does not work on NATed addresses.
 I was just hoping some one had a easy fix.
 
 -John Q Jr.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Morgan, Joshua [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:25 AM
 Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)
 
 
 Is the Internet address that they are being translated to a 
 NAT address ?
 
 
 
 
 
 PROFITLAB
 Network Engineer
 PH: (864) 250-1350 Ext 133
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:04 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)
 
 
 I am having a serious problem with new mail notifications 
 over a WAN. Basically they don't update until a user clicks 
 on a nether message or waits in excess of 20 minutes. 
 Needless to say users are frustrated by this due to the fact 
 that they don't think their mail has been sent. Is there a 
 work arround for this? Client side notification of disabeling 
 new mail notifications? The description of why this 
 particular situation does not work is below, read into if you wish.
 
 -John Q Jr.
 
 Currently machines on the WAN network are using internal IP 
 addresses (which are not routable via our network). When the 
 machines send packets to our network, the WAN  router 
 converts the IP addresses into a public IP address (an 
 address our router can actually reply to). The problem in 
 hand is that when Exchange receives packets from the client, 
 it looks into the payload information (information inside the 
 packet, not the header) to figure out where it should be sent.
 
 Case in point: Workstation 10.10.2.15 is connected to 
 x.230.24156/57. Due to NAT, the Exchange servers sees 
 x.154.10.42 connected (it can communicate back fine). Once 
 the user receives a piece of mail, the Exchange server 
 replies to 10.10.2.15 (it had to have looked this information 
 up from the payload data) and of course this IP is not routable.
 
 
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Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)

2002-01-10 Thread John Q

I am having a serious problem with new mail notifications over a WAN.
Basically they don't update until a user clicks on a nether message or waits
in excess of 20 minutes. Needless to say users are frustrated by this due to
the fact that they don't think their mail has been sent.
Is there a work arround for this? Client side notification of disabeling
new mail notifications?
The description of why this particular situation does not work is below,
read into if you wish.

-John Q Jr.

Currently machines on the WAN network are using internal IP addresses (which
are not routable via our network). When the machines send packets to our
network, the WAN  router converts the IP addresses into a public IP address
(an address our router can actually reply to). The problem in hand is that
when Exchange receives packets from the client, it looks into the payload
information (information inside the packet, not the header) to figure out
where it should be sent.

Case in point: Workstation 10.10.2.15 is connected to x.230.24156/57. Due to
NAT, the Exchange servers sees x.154.10.42 connected (it can communicate
back fine). Once the user receives a piece of mail, the Exchange server
replies to 10.10.2.15 (it had to have looked this information up from the
payload data) and of course this IP is not routable.


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RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)

2002-01-10 Thread Andy David

I dont think anyone here has ever heard of this problem.


-Original Message-
From: John Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:04 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


I am having a serious problem with new mail notifications over a WAN.
Basically they don't update until a user clicks on a nether message or waits
in excess of 20 minutes. Needless to say users are frustrated by this due to
the fact that they don't think their mail has been sent.
Is there a work arround for this? Client side notification of disabeling
new mail notifications?
The description of why this particular situation does not work is below,
read into if you wish.

-John Q Jr.

Currently machines on the WAN network are using internal IP addresses (which
are not routable via our network). When the machines send packets to our
network, the WAN  router converts the IP addresses into a public IP address
(an address our router can actually reply to). The problem in hand is that
when Exchange receives packets from the client, it looks into the payload
information (information inside the packet, not the header) to figure out
where it should be sent.

Case in point: Workstation 10.10.2.15 is connected to x.230.24156/57. Due to
NAT, the Exchange servers sees x.154.10.42 connected (it can communicate
back fine). Once the user receives a piece of mail, the Exchange server
replies to 10.10.2.15 (it had to have looked this information up from the
payload data) and of course this IP is not routable.


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Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)

2002-01-10 Thread John Q

WOW!  I have NEVER seen that statement made before on this list, that's
scary.  Is the sky still blue?

-John Q Jr.

- Original Message -
From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


I dont think anyone here has ever heard of this problem.


-Original Message-
From: John Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:04 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


I am having a serious problem with new mail notifications over a WAN.
Basically they don't update until a user clicks on a nether message or waits
in excess of 20 minutes. Needless to say users are frustrated by this due to
the fact that they don't think their mail has been sent.
Is there a work arround for this? Client side notification of disabeling
new mail notifications?
The description of why this particular situation does not work is below,
read into if you wish.

-John Q Jr.

Currently machines on the WAN network are using internal IP addresses (which
are not routable via our network). When the machines send packets to our
network, the WAN  router converts the IP addresses into a public IP address
(an address our router can actually reply to). The problem in hand is that
when Exchange receives packets from the client, it looks into the payload
information (information inside the packet, not the header) to figure out
where it should be sent.

Case in point: Workstation 10.10.2.15 is connected to x.230.24156/57. Due to
NAT, the Exchange servers sees x.154.10.42 connected (it can communicate
back fine). Once the user receives a piece of mail, the Exchange server
replies to 10.10.2.15 (it had to have looked this information up from the
payload data) and of course this IP is not routable.


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RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)

2002-01-10 Thread Thomas Di Nardo

You forgot to add the sarcasm tags. There are those that still require
them.

Tom.

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:08 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)

I dont think anyone here has ever heard of this problem.


-Original Message-
From: John Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:04 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


I am having a serious problem with new mail notifications over a WAN.
Basically they don't update until a user clicks on a nether message or
waits
in excess of 20 minutes. Needless to say users are frustrated by this
due to
the fact that they don't think their mail has been sent.
Is there a work arround for this? Client side notification of disabeling
new mail notifications?
The description of why this particular situation does not work is below,
read into if you wish.

-John Q Jr.

Currently machines on the WAN network are using internal IP addresses
(which
are not routable via our network). When the machines send packets to our
network, the WAN  router converts the IP addresses into a public IP
address
(an address our router can actually reply to). The problem in hand is
that
when Exchange receives packets from the client, it looks into the
payload
information (information inside the packet, not the header) to figure
out
where it should be sent.

Case in point: Workstation 10.10.2.15 is connected to x.230.24156/57.
Due to
NAT, the Exchange servers sees x.154.10.42 connected (it can communicate
back fine). Once the user receives a piece of mail, the Exchange server
replies to 10.10.2.15 (it had to have looked this information up from
the
payload data) and of course this IP is not routable.


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RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)

2002-01-10 Thread Thomas Di Nardo

Check the archives. I believe we have discussed this about four times in
the last month or so.

Tom.

-Original Message-
From: John Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)

WOW!  I have NEVER seen that statement made before on this list, that's
scary.  Is the sky still blue?

-John Q Jr.

- Original Message -
From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


I dont think anyone here has ever heard of this problem.


-Original Message-
From: John Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:04 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


I am having a serious problem with new mail notifications over a WAN.
Basically they don't update until a user clicks on a nether message or
waits
in excess of 20 minutes. Needless to say users are frustrated by this
due to
the fact that they don't think their mail has been sent.
Is there a work arround for this? Client side notification of disabeling
new mail notifications?
The description of why this particular situation does not work is below,
read into if you wish.

-John Q Jr.

Currently machines on the WAN network are using internal IP addresses
(which
are not routable via our network). When the machines send packets to our
network, the WAN  router converts the IP addresses into a public IP
address
(an address our router can actually reply to). The problem in hand is
that
when Exchange receives packets from the client, it looks into the
payload
information (information inside the packet, not the header) to figure
out
where it should be sent.

Case in point: Workstation 10.10.2.15 is connected to x.230.24156/57.
Due to
NAT, the Exchange servers sees x.154.10.42 connected (it can communicate
back fine). Once the user receives a piece of mail, the Exchange server
replies to 10.10.2.15 (it had to have looked this information up from
the
payload data) and of course this IP is not routable.


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RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)

2002-01-10 Thread Hunter, Lori

I think you missed Andy's blazing sarcasm tag.  I just assume it's always
there unless someone else tells me he had a right answer.  :)

-Original Message-
From: John Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:20 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


WOW!  I have NEVER seen that statement made before on this list, that's
scary.  Is the sky still blue?

-John Q Jr.

- Original Message -
From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


I dont think anyone here has ever heard of this problem.


-Original Message-
From: John Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:04 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


I am having a serious problem with new mail notifications over a WAN.
Basically they don't update until a user clicks on a nether message or waits
in excess of 20 minutes. Needless to say users are frustrated by this due to
the fact that they don't think their mail has been sent.
Is there a work arround for this? Client side notification of disabeling
new mail notifications?
The description of why this particular situation does not work is below,
read into if you wish.

-John Q Jr.

Currently machines on the WAN network are using internal IP addresses (which
are not routable via our network). When the machines send packets to our
network, the WAN  router converts the IP addresses into a public IP address
(an address our router can actually reply to). The problem in hand is that
when Exchange receives packets from the client, it looks into the payload
information (information inside the packet, not the header) to figure out
where it should be sent.

Case in point: Workstation 10.10.2.15 is connected to x.230.24156/57. Due to
NAT, the Exchange servers sees x.154.10.42 connected (it can communicate
back fine). Once the user receives a piece of mail, the Exchange server
replies to 10.10.2.15 (it had to have looked this information up from the
payload data) and of course this IP is not routable.


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RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)

2002-01-10 Thread Robert Moir

 -Original Message-
 From: John Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: 10 January 2002 17:20
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)
 
 
 WOW!  I have NEVER seen that statement made before on this 
 list, that's scary.  Is the sky still blue?

He forgot the sarcasm tags. And also to add that the list's own elite squad
of marines has been dispatched to the poster's work address to tattoo I
*WILL ALWAYS* spend at least some time reading archives and maybe trying
google, technet, asking around the office before posting. Especially given
that the poster mentioned the beast that is causing his problem in the post
itself.

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RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)

2002-01-10 Thread Benjamin Winzenz

You haven't been here long then.  And you don't know Andy.  The combination
of the 2 can be lethal if you aren't careful.  And that is also why you
should check the archives before asking common questions like yours that get
asked many times per week/month/day/whatever.  But the quick answer to what
you are looking for (because I am feeling nice today) is that you are
probably blocking UDP on your firewall, or it could also be due to the fact
that you are NAT'ing.  New mail notifications are UDP packets.

Ben Winzenz, MCSE
Network/Systems Administrator
Peregrine Systems


-Original Message-
From: John Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)

WOW!  I have NEVER seen that statement made before on this list, that's
scary.  Is the sky still blue?

-John Q Jr.

- Original Message -
From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


I dont think anyone here has ever heard of this problem.


-Original Message-
From: John Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:04 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


I am having a serious problem with new mail notifications over a WAN.
Basically they don't update until a user clicks on a nether message or waits
in excess of 20 minutes. Needless to say users are frustrated by this due to
the fact that they don't think their mail has been sent.
Is there a work arround for this? Client side notification of disabeling
new mail notifications?
The description of why this particular situation does not work is below,
read into if you wish.

-John Q Jr.

Currently machines on the WAN network are using internal IP addresses (which
are not routable via our network). When the machines send packets to our
network, the WAN  router converts the IP addresses into a public IP address
(an address our router can actually reply to). The problem in hand is that
when Exchange receives packets from the client, it looks into the payload
information (information inside the packet, not the header) to figure out
where it should be sent.

Case in point: Workstation 10.10.2.15 is connected to x.230.24156/57. Due to
NAT, the Exchange servers sees x.154.10.42 connected (it can communicate
back fine). Once the user receives a piece of mail, the Exchange server
replies to 10.10.2.15 (it had to have looked this information up from the
payload data) and of course this IP is not routable.


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RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)

2002-01-10 Thread Chris Scharff

Yeah, well.. just don't post the Koan link for him until Monday please, I
still haven't transferred it from the old mail-resources.com website. 

Chris
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 -Original Message-
 From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:08 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)
 
 
 I dont think anyone here has ever heard of this problem.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:04 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)
 
 
 I am having a serious problem with new mail notifications 
 over a WAN. Basically they don't update until a user clicks 
 on a nether message or waits in excess of 20 minutes. 
 Needless to say users are frustrated by this due to the fact 
 that they don't think their mail has been sent. Is there a 
 work arround for this? Client side notification of disabeling 
 new mail notifications? The description of why this 
 particular situation does not work is below, read into if you wish.
 
 -John Q Jr.
 
 Currently machines on the WAN network are using internal IP 
 addresses (which are not routable via our network). When the 
 machines send packets to our network, the WAN  router 
 converts the IP addresses into a public IP address (an 
 address our router can actually reply to). The problem in 
 hand is that when Exchange receives packets from the client, 
 it looks into the payload information (information inside the 
 packet, not the header) to figure out where it should be sent.
 
 Case in point: Workstation 10.10.2.15 is connected to 
 x.230.24156/57. Due to NAT, the Exchange servers sees 
 x.154.10.42 connected (it can communicate back fine). Once 
 the user receives a piece of mail, the Exchange server 
 replies to 10.10.2.15 (it had to have looked this information 
 up from the payload data) and of course this IP is not routable.
 
 
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RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)

2002-01-10 Thread Andy David

Have you changed jobs again?  ;)



-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:27 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


Yeah, well.. just don't post the Koan link for him until Monday please, I
still haven't transferred it from the old mail-resources.com website. 

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 -Original Message-
 From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:08 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)
 
 
 I dont think anyone here has ever heard of this problem.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:04 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)
 
 
 I am having a serious problem with new mail notifications 
 over a WAN. Basically they don't update until a user clicks 
 on a nether message or waits in excess of 20 minutes. 
 Needless to say users are frustrated by this due to the fact 
 that they don't think their mail has been sent. Is there a 
 work arround for this? Client side notification of disabeling 
 new mail notifications? The description of why this 
 particular situation does not work is below, read into if you wish.
 
 -John Q Jr.
 
 Currently machines on the WAN network are using internal IP 
 addresses (which are not routable via our network). When the 
 machines send packets to our network, the WAN  router 
 converts the IP addresses into a public IP address (an 
 address our router can actually reply to). The problem in 
 hand is that when Exchange receives packets from the client, 
 it looks into the payload information (information inside the 
 packet, not the header) to figure out where it should be sent.
 
 Case in point: Workstation 10.10.2.15 is connected to 
 x.230.24156/57. Due to NAT, the Exchange servers sees 
 x.154.10.42 connected (it can communicate back fine). Once 
 the user receives a piece of mail, the Exchange server 
 replies to 10.10.2.15 (it had to have looked this information 
 up from the payload data) and of course this IP is not routable.
 
 
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RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)

2002-01-10 Thread Benjamin Winzenz

That is a safe thing to assume when referring to Andy.

Ben Winzenz, MCSE
Network/Systems Administrator
Peregrine Systems


-Original Message-
From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:25 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)

I think you missed Andy's blazing sarcasm tag.  I just assume it's always
there unless someone else tells me he had a right answer.  :)

-Original Message-
From: John Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:20 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


WOW!  I have NEVER seen that statement made before on this list, that's
scary.  Is the sky still blue?

-John Q Jr.

- Original Message -
From: Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


I dont think anyone here has ever heard of this problem.


-Original Message-
From: John Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:04 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


I am having a serious problem with new mail notifications over a WAN.
Basically they don't update until a user clicks on a nether message or waits
in excess of 20 minutes. Needless to say users are frustrated by this due to
the fact that they don't think their mail has been sent.
Is there a work arround for this? Client side notification of disabeling
new mail notifications?
The description of why this particular situation does not work is below,
read into if you wish.

-John Q Jr.

Currently machines on the WAN network are using internal IP addresses (which
are not routable via our network). When the machines send packets to our
network, the WAN  router converts the IP addresses into a public IP address
(an address our router can actually reply to). The problem in hand is that
when Exchange receives packets from the client, it looks into the payload
information (information inside the packet, not the header) to figure out
where it should be sent.

Case in point: Workstation 10.10.2.15 is connected to x.230.24156/57. Due to
NAT, the Exchange servers sees x.154.10.42 connected (it can communicate
back fine). Once the user receives a piece of mail, the Exchange server
replies to 10.10.2.15 (it had to have looked this information up from the
payload data) and of course this IP is not routable.


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RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)

2002-01-10 Thread Chris Scharff

Well, so far this morning I've been a sales engineer, technical writer,
product tester, marketing rep and product manager. So I guess the answer to
that question would be yes.

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 -Original Message-
 From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:41 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)
 
 
 Have you changed jobs again?  ;)
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:27 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)
 
 
 Yeah, well.. just don't post the Koan link for him until 
 Monday please, I still haven't transferred it from the old 
 mail-resources.com website. 
 
 Chris
 -- 
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 Senior Sales Engineer
 MessageOne
 If you can't measure, you can't manage! 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:08 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail 
 notifications)
  
  
  I dont think anyone here has ever heard of this problem.
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: John Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:04 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail 
 notifications)
  
  
  I am having a serious problem with new mail notifications
  over a WAN. Basically they don't update until a user clicks 
  on a nether message or waits in excess of 20 minutes. 
  Needless to say users are frustrated by this due to the fact 
  that they don't think their mail has been sent. Is there a 
  work arround for this? Client side notification of disabeling 
  new mail notifications? The description of why this 
  particular situation does not work is below, read into if you wish.
  
  -John Q Jr.
  
  Currently machines on the WAN network are using internal IP
  addresses (which are not routable via our network). When the 
  machines send packets to our network, the WAN  router 
  converts the IP addresses into a public IP address (an 
  address our router can actually reply to). The problem in 
  hand is that when Exchange receives packets from the client, 
  it looks into the payload information (information inside the 
  packet, not the header) to figure out where it should be sent.
  
  Case in point: Workstation 10.10.2.15 is connected to
  x.230.24156/57. Due to NAT, the Exchange servers sees 
  x.154.10.42 connected (it can communicate back fine). Once 
  the user receives a piece of mail, the Exchange server 
  replies to 10.10.2.15 (it had to have looked this information 
  up from the payload data) and of course this IP is not routable.
  
  
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RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)

2002-01-10 Thread Morgan, Joshua

Is the Internet address that they are being translated to a NAT address ?

 
 
 
 
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-Original Message-
From: John Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:04 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


I am having a serious problem with new mail notifications over a WAN.
Basically they don't update until a user clicks on a nether message or waits
in excess of 20 minutes. Needless to say users are frustrated by this due to
the fact that they don't think their mail has been sent. Is there a work
arround for this? Client side notification of disabeling new mail
notifications? The description of why this particular situation does not
work is below, read into if you wish.

-John Q Jr.

Currently machines on the WAN network are using internal IP addresses (which
are not routable via our network). When the machines send packets to our
network, the WAN  router converts the IP addresses into a public IP address
(an address our router can actually reply to). The problem in hand is that
when Exchange receives packets from the client, it looks into the payload
information (information inside the packet, not the header) to figure out
where it should be sent.

Case in point: Workstation 10.10.2.15 is connected to x.230.24156/57. Due to
NAT, the Exchange servers sees x.154.10.42 connected (it can communicate
back fine). Once the user receives a piece of mail, the Exchange server
replies to 10.10.2.15 (it had to have looked this information up from the
payload data) and of course this IP is not routable.


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Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)

2002-01-10 Thread John Q

ouch, ou, my a** is on fire from all the flames. I appreciate you
all pointing out the obvious.
But what I was looking for,  YES I have read the archives, hence why I sent
the issue in the post, is what's the fix?
(i.e. I know the UDP packets are not being routed.)
Now I will do some more research, as you have all pointed out the answer is
probably out there! (X-files)
But I just wanted to clarify why I posted, since, just as I missed Andy's
sarcasm, some of you missed the point of my post.

Thanks for making my day different,
- John Q Jr.


- Original Message -
From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:46 AM
Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


Well, so far this morning I've been a sales engineer, technical writer,
product tester, marketing rep and product manager. So I guess the answer to
that question would be yes.

Chris
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Senior Sales Engineer
MessageOne
If you can't measure, you can't manage!


 -Original Message-
 From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:41 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


 Have you changed jobs again?  ;)



 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:27 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


 Yeah, well.. just don't post the Koan link for him until
 Monday please, I still haven't transferred it from the old
 mail-resources.com website.

 Chris
 --
 Chris Scharff
 Senior Sales Engineer
 MessageOne
 If you can't measure, you can't manage!


  -Original Message-
  From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:08 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail
 notifications)
 
 
  I dont think anyone here has ever heard of this problem.
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: John Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:04 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail
 notifications)
 
 
  I am having a serious problem with new mail notifications
  over a WAN. Basically they don't update until a user clicks
  on a nether message or waits in excess of 20 minutes.
  Needless to say users are frustrated by this due to the fact
  that they don't think their mail has been sent. Is there a
  work arround for this? Client side notification of disabeling
  new mail notifications? The description of why this
  particular situation does not work is below, read into if you wish.
 
  -John Q Jr.
 
  Currently machines on the WAN network are using internal IP
  addresses (which are not routable via our network). When the
  machines send packets to our network, the WAN  router
  converts the IP addresses into a public IP address (an
  address our router can actually reply to). The problem in
  hand is that when Exchange receives packets from the client,
  it looks into the payload information (information inside the
  packet, not the header) to figure out where it should be sent.
 
  Case in point: Workstation 10.10.2.15 is connected to
  x.230.24156/57. Due to NAT, the Exchange servers sees
  x.154.10.42 connected (it can communicate back fine). Once
  the user receives a piece of mail, the Exchange server
  replies to 10.10.2.15 (it had to have looked this information
  up from the payload data) and of course this IP is not routable.
 
 
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Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)

2002-01-10 Thread John Q

Yes,  I know it does not work on NATed addresses.
I was just hoping some one had a easy fix.

-John Q Jr.

- Original Message -
From: Morgan, Joshua [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:25 AM
Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


Is the Internet address that they are being translated to a NAT address ?





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PH: (864) 250-1350 Ext 133
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: John Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:04 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


I am having a serious problem with new mail notifications over a WAN.
Basically they don't update until a user clicks on a nether message or waits
in excess of 20 minutes. Needless to say users are frustrated by this due to
the fact that they don't think their mail has been sent. Is there a work
arround for this? Client side notification of disabeling new mail
notifications? The description of why this particular situation does not
work is below, read into if you wish.

-John Q Jr.

Currently machines on the WAN network are using internal IP addresses (which
are not routable via our network). When the machines send packets to our
network, the WAN  router converts the IP addresses into a public IP address
(an address our router can actually reply to). The problem in hand is that
when Exchange receives packets from the client, it looks into the payload
information (information inside the packet, not the header) to figure out
where it should be sent.

Case in point: Workstation 10.10.2.15 is connected to x.230.24156/57. Due to
NAT, the Exchange servers sees x.154.10.42 connected (it can communicate
back fine). Once the user receives a piece of mail, the Exchange server
replies to 10.10.2.15 (it had to have looked this information up from the
payload data) and of course this IP is not routable.


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RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)

2002-01-10 Thread Morgan, Joshua

Are you in charge of your network config or  do you have to go to another
department?

 
 
 
 
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-Original Message-
From: John Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 2:31 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


Yes,  I know it does not work on NATed addresses.
I was just hoping some one had a easy fix.

-John Q Jr.

- Original Message -
From: Morgan, Joshua [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:25 AM
Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


Is the Internet address that they are being translated to a NAT address ?





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PH: (864) 250-1350 Ext 133
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: John Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:04 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


I am having a serious problem with new mail notifications over a WAN.
Basically they don't update until a user clicks on a nether message or waits
in excess of 20 minutes. Needless to say users are frustrated by this due to
the fact that they don't think their mail has been sent. Is there a work
arround for this? Client side notification of disabeling new mail
notifications? The description of why this particular situation does not
work is below, read into if you wish.

-John Q Jr.

Currently machines on the WAN network are using internal IP addresses (which
are not routable via our network). When the machines send packets to our
network, the WAN  router converts the IP addresses into a public IP address
(an address our router can actually reply to). The problem in hand is that
when Exchange receives packets from the client, it looks into the payload
information (information inside the packet, not the header) to figure out
where it should be sent.

Case in point: Workstation 10.10.2.15 is connected to x.230.24156/57. Due to
NAT, the Exchange servers sees x.154.10.42 connected (it can communicate
back fine). Once the user receives a piece of mail, the Exchange server
replies to 10.10.2.15 (it had to have looked this information up from the
payload data) and of course this IP is not routable.


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Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)

2002-01-10 Thread John Q

That's another guy! But I can get him do pretty much what ever I want! Why?

- Original Message -
From: Morgan, Joshua [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:25 PM
Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


Are you in charge of your network config or  do you have to go to another
department?





PROFITLAB
Network Engineer
PH: (864) 250-1350 Ext 133
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-Original Message-
From: John Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 2:31 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


Yes,  I know it does not work on NATed addresses.
I was just hoping some one had a easy fix.

-John Q Jr.

- Original Message -
From: Morgan, Joshua [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:25 AM
Subject: RE: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


Is the Internet address that they are being translated to a NAT address ?





PROFITLAB
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-Original Message-
From: John Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:04 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Exchange 5.5 over WAN connection (new mail notifications)


I am having a serious problem with new mail notifications over a WAN.
Basically they don't update until a user clicks on a nether message or waits
in excess of 20 minutes. Needless to say users are frustrated by this due to
the fact that they don't think their mail has been sent. Is there a work
arround for this? Client side notification of disabeling new mail
notifications? The description of why this particular situation does not
work is below, read into if you wish.

-John Q Jr.

Currently machines on the WAN network are using internal IP addresses (which
are not routable via our network). When the machines send packets to our
network, the WAN  router converts the IP addresses into a public IP address
(an address our router can actually reply to). The problem in hand is that
when Exchange receives packets from the client, it looks into the payload
information (information inside the packet, not the header) to figure out
where it should be sent.

Case in point: Workstation 10.10.2.15 is connected to x.230.24156/57. Due to
NAT, the Exchange servers sees x.154.10.42 connected (it can communicate
back fine). Once the user receives a piece of mail, the Exchange server
replies to 10.10.2.15 (it had to have looked this information up from the
payload data) and of course this IP is not routable.


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