Re: Exchange alias naming
The proper format for POP3 or IMAP usernames is domain/NT_ID/Mailbox_Alias. That's the format I use all the time, every time[1] so it doesn't matter to in the least what the format is, as long as it minimizes the potential ambiguity associated with logon IDs. I also never use Exchange for NNTP, as I'd rather listen to a technical discussion by Tener than use Exchange for that. However, mailbox alias is about as close to a meaningless attribute as one can find in Exchange, so I'm not sure why it matters or why the customer would even notice or care. How would such a thing even come up in conversation? [1] In fact that's the format specified in my entourage profile even as I type. On 1/17/03 8:57, "Bendall, Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Exchange 5.5 I have always made my Exchange mailbox alias the same as the NT user ID this simplifies the authentication process for POP3, IMAP and NNTP and it makes it easy to rollout Outlook through an intellimirror mst file. However, one of my clients has a different naming convention in the form "firstname lastname" which they want to use. My question is what do other people standardise on for the naming convention of the alias and can you add any more weight to my argument. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange alias naming
It's amazing how anal-retentive customers can be about naming standards. Certainly you recall the many discussions about how the Exchange 5.5 directory name had to be such-and-such even though nobody can see this attribute and it could never be changed. Many idiotic organizations forced mailboxes to be deleted and recreated just so that the directory name could be "standardized". Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange alias naming The proper format for POP3 or IMAP usernames is domain/NT_ID/Mailbox_Alias. That's the format I use all the time, every time[1] so it doesn't matter to in the least what the format is, as long as it minimizes the potential ambiguity associated with logon IDs. I also never use Exchange for NNTP, as I'd rather listen to a technical discussion by Tener than use Exchange for that. However, mailbox alias is about as close to a meaningless attribute as one can find in Exchange, so I'm not sure why it matters or why the customer would even notice or care. How would such a thing even come up in conversation? [1] In fact that's the format specified in my entourage profile even as I type. On 1/17/03 8:57, "Bendall, Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Exchange 5.5 I have always made my Exchange mailbox alias the same as the NT user ID this simplifies the authentication process for POP3, IMAP and NNTP and it makes it easy to rollout Outlook through an intellimirror mst file. However, one of my clients has a different naming convention in the form "firstname lastname" which they want to use. My question is what do other people standardise on for the naming convention of the alias and can you add any more weight to my argument. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exchange alias naming
Which is why, as a consultant I didn't even bring the subject up, I just implemented it. Micro level discussionsb aren't particularly fruitful with customers, I try to keep them focused on the big picture, the details are what they pay me to worry about. (preaching to the choir I know) On 1/18/03 11:12, "Ed Crowley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's amazing how anal-retentive customers can be about naming standards. Certainly you recall the many discussions about how the Exchange 5.5 directory name had to be such-and-such even though nobody can see this attribute and it could never be changed. Many idiotic organizations forced mailboxes to be deleted and recreated just so that the directory name could be "standardized". Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 7:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange alias naming The proper format for POP3 or IMAP usernames is domain/NT_ID/Mailbox_Alias. That's the format I use all the time, every time[1] so it doesn't matter to in the least what the format is, as long as it minimizes the potential ambiguity associated with logon IDs. I also never use Exchange for NNTP, as I'd rather listen to a technical discussion by Tener than use Exchange for that. However, mailbox alias is about as close to a meaningless attribute as one can find in Exchange, so I'm not sure why it matters or why the customer would even notice or care. How would such a thing even come up in conversation? [1] In fact that's the format specified in my entourage profile even as I type. On 1/17/03 8:57, "Bendall, Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Exchange 5.5 I have always made my Exchange mailbox alias the same as the NT user ID this simplifies the authentication process for POP3, IMAP and NNTP and it makes it easy to rollout Outlook through an intellimirror mst file. However, one of my clients has a different naming convention in the form "firstname lastname" which they want to use. My question is what do other people standardise on for the naming convention of the alias and can you add any more weight to my argument. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange alias naming
Thanks for the reply Chris, Well posting this message was useful in that it has questioned possibly a long held belief. I have always made the alias for my Exchange deployments the same as the NT user ID because I am sure someone in the past told me this was Microsoft's recommendation, maybe I should have questioned this more. Anyway the reasons I continue to use this is if you are using POP3 or IMAP you don't have to provide all the domain\ntuser id\alias information you can just use alias because it is the same as NT user id. Secondly, when creating an MST file for an Office role out you can use the environment variable %username% to create the Outlook profile. Finally, your users only have to remember their NT user id when logging into OWA as the entry to the mailbox to present and then authenticate with the same NT user id. But I take on board that is not imperative that these rules are followed. Thanks, Paul -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 January 2003 15:22 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange alias naming The proper format for POP3 or IMAP usernames is domain/NT_ID/Mailbox_Alias. That's the format I use all the time, every time[1] so it doesn't matter to in the least what the format is, as long as it minimizes the potential ambiguity associated with logon IDs. I also never use Exchange for NNTP, as I'd rather listen to a technical discussion by Tener than use Exchange for that. However, mailbox alias is about as close to a meaningless attribute as one can find in Exchange, so I'm not sure why it matters or why the customer would even notice or care. How would such a thing even come up in conversation? [1] In fact that's the format specified in my entourage profile even as I type. On 1/17/03 8:57, "Bendall, Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Exchange 5.5 I have always made my Exchange mailbox alias the same as the NT user ID this simplifies the authentication process for POP3, IMAP and NNTP and it makes it easy to rollout Outlook through an intellimirror mst file. However, one of my clients has a different naming convention in the form "firstname lastname" which they want to use. My question is what do other people standardise on for the naming convention of the alias and can you add any more weight to my argument. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If you have received this e-mail in error or wish to read our e-mail disclaimer statement and monitoring policy, please refer to http://www.drkw.com/disc/email/ or contact the sender. -- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exchange alias naming
I always specify the full domain/id/alias in POP3 and IMAP even if the nt_id and mailbox alias match. I've found it impossible to train help desk monkeys in exceptions. They understand "I before E" just fine, but throw in the conditional "except after C" or heaven forbid "and sometimes Y" and suddenly cats and dogs are living together, the sky is on fire and Hanji has asked an intelligent question. %username% just helps with name resolution right, there are a number of attributes which can be used for name resolution and you could populate one of those with the same information. But, I don't argue with such things normally, if $way is the way I want to do things and I have what I feel is a good reason to do it, I generally just do it. I don't get caught up in minor implementation details with customers where it doesn't have any real effect on the final product they are getting. On 1/20/03 5:31, "Bendall, Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks for the reply Chris, Well posting this message was useful in that it has questioned possibly a long held belief. I have always made the alias for my Exchange deployments the same as the NT user ID because I am sure someone in the past told me this was Microsoft's recommendation, maybe I should have questioned this more. Anyway the reasons I continue to use this is if you are using POP3 or IMAP you don't have to provide all the domain\ntuser id\alias information you can just use alias because it is the same as NT user id. Secondly, when creating an MST file for an Office role out you can use the environment variable %username% to create the Outlook profile. Finally, your users only have to remember their NT user id when logging into OWA as the entry to the mailbox to present and then authenticate with the same NT user id. But I take on board that is not imperative that these rules are followed. Thanks, Paul -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 January 2003 15:22 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange alias naming The proper format for POP3 or IMAP usernames is domain/NT_ID/Mailbox_Alias. That's the format I use all the time, every time[1] so it doesn't matter to in the least what the format is, as long as it minimizes the potential ambiguity associated with logon IDs. I also never use Exchange for NNTP, as I'd rather listen to a technical discussion by Tener than use Exchange for that. However, mailbox alias is about as close to a meaningless attribute as one can find in Exchange, so I'm not sure why it matters or why the customer would even notice or care. How would such a thing even come up in conversation? [1] In fact that's the format specified in my entourage profile even as I type. On 1/17/03 8:57, "Bendall, Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Exchange 5.5 I have always made my Exchange mailbox alias the same as the NT user ID this simplifies the authentication process for POP3, IMAP and NNTP and it makes it easy to rollout Outlook through an intellimirror mst file. However, one of my clients has a different naming convention in the form "firstname lastname" which they want to use. My question is what do other people standardise on for the naming convention of the alias and can you add any more weight to my argument. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If you have received this e-mail in error or wish to read our e-mail disclaimer statement and monitoring policy, please refer to http://www.drkw.com/disc/email/ or contact the sender. -- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange alias naming
Some migration tools depend on it being that way for interorganizational moves, i.e., the alias being the same as the SAM account name. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bendall, Paul Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 3:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange alias naming Thanks for the reply Chris, Well posting this message was useful in that it has questioned possibly a long held belief. I have always made the alias for my Exchange deployments the same as the NT user ID because I am sure someone in the past told me this was Microsoft's recommendation, maybe I should have questioned this more. Anyway the reasons I continue to use this is if you are using POP3 or IMAP you don't have to provide all the domain\ntuser id\alias information you can just use alias because it is the same as NT user id. Secondly, when creating an MST file for an Office role out you can use the environment variable %username% to create the Outlook profile. Finally, your users only have to remember their NT user id when logging into OWA as the entry to the mailbox to present and then authenticate with the same NT user id. But I take on board that is not imperative that these rules are followed. Thanks, Paul -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 January 2003 15:22 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange alias naming The proper format for POP3 or IMAP usernames is domain/NT_ID/Mailbox_Alias. That's the format I use all the time, every time[1] so it doesn't matter to in the least what the format is, as long as it minimizes the potential ambiguity associated with logon IDs. I also never use Exchange for NNTP, as I'd rather listen to a technical discussion by Tener than use Exchange for that. However, mailbox alias is about as close to a meaningless attribute as one can find in Exchange, so I'm not sure why it matters or why the customer would even notice or care. How would such a thing even come up in conversation? [1] In fact that's the format specified in my entourage profile even as I type. On 1/17/03 8:57, "Bendall, Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Exchange 5.5 I have always made my Exchange mailbox alias the same as the NT user ID this simplifies the authentication process for POP3, IMAP and NNTP and it makes it easy to rollout Outlook through an intellimirror mst file. However, one of my clients has a different naming convention in the form "firstname lastname" which they want to use. My question is what do other people standardise on for the naming convention of the alias and can you add any more weight to my argument. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If you have received this e-mail in error or wish to read our e-mail disclaimer statement and monitoring policy, please refer to http://www.drkw.com/disc/email/ or contact the sender. -- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exchange alias naming
It's fairly trivial to make them the same if that becomes a requirement no? On 1/20/03 12:24, "Ed Crowley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Some migration tools depend on it being that way for interorganizational moves, i.e., the alias being the same as the SAM account name. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bendall, Paul Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 3:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange alias naming Thanks for the reply Chris, Well posting this message was useful in that it has questioned possibly a long held belief. I have always made the alias for my Exchange deployments the same as the NT user ID because I am sure someone in the past told me this was Microsoft's recommendation, maybe I should have questioned this more. Anyway the reasons I continue to use this is if you are using POP3 or IMAP you don't have to provide all the domain\ntuser id\alias information you can just use alias because it is the same as NT user id. Secondly, when creating an MST file for an Office role out you can use the environment variable %username% to create the Outlook profile. Finally, your users only have to remember their NT user id when logging into OWA as the entry to the mailbox to present and then authenticate with the same NT user id. But I take on board that is not imperative that these rules are followed. Thanks, Paul -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 January 2003 15:22 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange alias naming The proper format for POP3 or IMAP usernames is domain/NT_ID/Mailbox_Alias. That's the format I use all the time, every time[1] so it doesn't matter to in the least what the format is, as long as it minimizes the potential ambiguity associated with logon IDs. I also never use Exchange for NNTP, as I'd rather listen to a technical discussion by Tener than use Exchange for that. However, mailbox alias is about as close to a meaningless attribute as one can find in Exchange, so I'm not sure why it matters or why the customer would even notice or care. How would such a thing even come up in conversation? [1] In fact that's the format specified in my entourage profile even as I type. On 1/17/03 8:57, "Bendall, Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Exchange 5.5 I have always made my Exchange mailbox alias the same as the NT user ID this simplifies the authentication process for POP3, IMAP and NNTP and it makes it easy to rollout Outlook through an intellimirror mst file. However, one of my clients has a different naming convention in the form "firstname lastname" which they want to use. My question is what do other people standardise on for the naming convention of the alias and can you add any more weight to my argument. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If you have received this e-mail in error or wish to read our e-mail disclaimer statement and monitoring policy, please refer to http://www.drkw.com/disc/email/ or contact the sender. -- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange alias naming
Of course. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 11:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange alias naming It's fairly trivial to make them the same if that becomes a requirement no? On 1/20/03 12:24, "Ed Crowley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Some migration tools depend on it being that way for interorganizational moves, i.e., the alias being the same as the SAM account name. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bendall, Paul Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 3:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange alias naming Thanks for the reply Chris, Well posting this message was useful in that it has questioned possibly a long held belief. I have always made the alias for my Exchange deployments the same as the NT user ID because I am sure someone in the past told me this was Microsoft's recommendation, maybe I should have questioned this more. Anyway the reasons I continue to use this is if you are using POP3 or IMAP you don't have to provide all the domain\ntuser id\alias information you can just use alias because it is the same as NT user id. Secondly, when creating an MST file for an Office role out you can use the environment variable %username% to create the Outlook profile. Finally, your users only have to remember their NT user id when logging into OWA as the entry to the mailbox to present and then authenticate with the same NT user id. But I take on board that is not imperative that these rules are followed. Thanks, Paul -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 January 2003 15:22 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange alias naming The proper format for POP3 or IMAP usernames is domain/NT_ID/Mailbox_Alias. That's the format I use all the time, every time[1] so it doesn't matter to in the least what the format is, as long as it minimizes the potential ambiguity associated with logon IDs. I also never use Exchange for NNTP, as I'd rather listen to a technical discussion by Tener than use Exchange for that. However, mailbox alias is about as close to a meaningless attribute as one can find in Exchange, so I'm not sure why it matters or why the customer would even notice or care. How would such a thing even come up in conversation? [1] In fact that's the format specified in my entourage profile even as I type. On 1/17/03 8:57, "Bendall, Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Exchange 5.5 I have always made my Exchange mailbox alias the same as the NT user ID this simplifies the authentication process for POP3, IMAP and NNTP and it makes it easy to rollout Outlook through an intellimirror mst file. However, one of my clients has a different naming convention in the form "firstname lastname" which they want to use. My question is what do other people standardise on for the naming convention of the alias and can you add any more weight to my argument. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If you have received this e-mail in error or wish to read our e-mail disclaimer statement and monitoring policy, please refer to http://www.drkw.com/disc/email/ or contact the sender. -- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___
Re: Exchange alias naming
Just checking. ;) Makes one wonder why the $descriptor migration software can't key off of any field the admin chooses. On 1/20/03 16:26, "Ed Crowley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Of course. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 11:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange alias naming It's fairly trivial to make them the same if that becomes a requirement no? On 1/20/03 12:24, "Ed Crowley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Some migration tools depend on it being that way for interorganizational moves, i.e., the alias being the same as the SAM account name. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bendall, Paul Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 3:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange alias naming Thanks for the reply Chris, Well posting this message was useful in that it has questioned possibly a long held belief. I have always made the alias for my Exchange deployments the same as the NT user ID because I am sure someone in the past told me this was Microsoft's recommendation, maybe I should have questioned this more. Anyway the reasons I continue to use this is if you are using POP3 or IMAP you don't have to provide all the domain\ntuser id\alias information you can just use alias because it is the same as NT user id. Secondly, when creating an MST file for an Office role out you can use the environment variable %username% to create the Outlook profile. Finally, your users only have to remember their NT user id when logging into OWA as the entry to the mailbox to present and then authenticate with the same NT user id. But I take on board that is not imperative that these rules are followed. Thanks, Paul -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 January 2003 15:22 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange alias naming The proper format for POP3 or IMAP usernames is domain/NT_ID/Mailbox_Alias. That's the format I use all the time, every time[1] so it doesn't matter to in the least what the format is, as long as it minimizes the potential ambiguity associated with logon IDs. I also never use Exchange for NNTP, as I'd rather listen to a technical discussion by Tener than use Exchange for that. However, mailbox alias is about as close to a meaningless attribute as one can find in Exchange, so I'm not sure why it matters or why the customer would even notice or care. How would such a thing even come up in conversation? [1] In fact that's the format specified in my entourage profile even as I type. On 1/17/03 8:57, "Bendall, Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Exchange 5.5 I have always made my Exchange mailbox alias the same as the NT user ID this simplifies the authentication process for POP3, IMAP and NNTP and it makes it easy to rollout Outlook through an intellimirror mst file. However, one of my clients has a different naming convention in the form "firstname lastname" which they want to use. My question is what do other people standardise on for the naming convention of the alias and can you add any more weight to my argument. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If you have received this e-mail in error or wish to read our e-mail disclaimer statement and monitoring policy, please refer to http://www.drkw.com/disc/email/ or contact the sender. -- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.
RE: Exchange alias naming
The one I'm working with just now uses that or SID history. I think you can use a mapping table as well but the alias field works for us. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 3:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange alias naming Just checking. ;) Makes one wonder why the $descriptor migration software can't key off of any field the admin chooses. On 1/20/03 16:26, "Ed Crowley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Of course. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 11:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange alias naming It's fairly trivial to make them the same if that becomes a requirement no? On 1/20/03 12:24, "Ed Crowley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Some migration tools depend on it being that way for interorganizational moves, i.e., the alias being the same as the SAM account name. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bendall, Paul Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 3:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange alias naming Thanks for the reply Chris, Well posting this message was useful in that it has questioned possibly a long held belief. I have always made the alias for my Exchange deployments the same as the NT user ID because I am sure someone in the past told me this was Microsoft's recommendation, maybe I should have questioned this more. Anyway the reasons I continue to use this is if you are using POP3 or IMAP you don't have to provide all the domain\ntuser id\alias information you can just use alias because it is the same as NT user id. Secondly, when creating an MST file for an Office role out you can use the environment variable %username% to create the Outlook profile. Finally, your users only have to remember their NT user id when logging into OWA as the entry to the mailbox to present and then authenticate with the same NT user id. But I take on board that is not imperative that these rules are followed. Thanks, Paul -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 January 2003 15:22 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange alias naming The proper format for POP3 or IMAP usernames is domain/NT_ID/Mailbox_Alias. That's the format I use all the time, every time[1] so it doesn't matter to in the least what the format is, as long as it minimizes the potential ambiguity associated with logon IDs. I also never use Exchange for NNTP, as I'd rather listen to a technical discussion by Tener than use Exchange for that. However, mailbox alias is about as close to a meaningless attribute as one can find in Exchange, so I'm not sure why it matters or why the customer would even notice or care. How would such a thing even come up in conversation? [1] In fact that's the format specified in my entourage profile even as I type. On 1/17/03 8:57, "Bendall, Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Exchange 5.5 I have always made my Exchange mailbox alias the same as the NT user ID this simplifies the authentication process for POP3, IMAP and NNTP and it makes it easy to rollout Outlook through an intellimirror mst file. However, one of my clients has a different naming convention in the form "firstname lastname" which they want to use. My question is what do other people standardise on for the naming convention of the alias and can you add any more weight to my argument. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If you have received this e-mail in error or wish to read our e-mail disclaimer statement and monitoring policy, please refer to http://www.drkw.com/disc/email/ or contact the sender. -- _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange
RE: Exchange alias naming
Thanks for all the input guys, it has cleared things up for me no-end. I will continue to use the NT user ID as alias unless requested otherwise in which case I won't loose any sleep. Regards, Paul -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 20 January 2003 23:45 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange alias naming The one I'm working with just now uses that or SID history. I think you can use a mapping table as well but the alias field works for us. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 3:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange alias naming Just checking. ;) Makes one wonder why the $descriptor migration software can't key off of any field the admin chooses. On 1/20/03 16:26, "Ed Crowley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Of course. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 11:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange alias naming It's fairly trivial to make them the same if that becomes a requirement no? On 1/20/03 12:24, "Ed Crowley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Some migration tools depend on it being that way for interorganizational moves, i.e., the alias being the same as the SAM account name. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bendall, Paul Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 3:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange alias naming Thanks for the reply Chris, Well posting this message was useful in that it has questioned possibly a long held belief. I have always made the alias for my Exchange deployments the same as the NT user ID because I am sure someone in the past told me this was Microsoft's recommendation, maybe I should have questioned this more. Anyway the reasons I continue to use this is if you are using POP3 or IMAP you don't have to provide all the domain\ntuser id\alias information you can just use alias because it is the same as NT user id. Secondly, when creating an MST file for an Office role out you can use the environment variable %username% to create the Outlook profile. Finally, your users only have to remember their NT user id when logging into OWA as the entry to the mailbox to present and then authenticate with the same NT user id. But I take on board that is not imperative that these rules are followed. Thanks, Paul -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 January 2003 15:22 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Exchange alias naming The proper format for POP3 or IMAP usernames is domain/NT_ID/Mailbox_Alias. That's the format I use all the time, every time[1] so it doesn't matter to in the least what the format is, as long as it minimizes the potential ambiguity associated with logon IDs. I also never use Exchange for NNTP, as I'd rather listen to a technical discussion by Tener than use Exchange for that. However, mailbox alias is about as close to a meaningless attribute as one can find in Exchange, so I'm not sure why it matters or why the customer would even notice or care. How would such a thing even come up in conversation? [1] In fact that's the format specified in my entourage profile even as I type. On 1/17/03 8:57, "Bendall, Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Exchange 5.5 I have always made my Exchange mailbox alias the same as the NT user ID this simplifies the authentication process for POP3, IMAP and NNTP and it makes it easy to rollout Outlook through an intellimirror mst file. However, one of my clients has a different naming convention in the form "firstname lastname" which they want to use. My question is what do other people standardise on for the naming convention of the alias and can you add any more weight to my argument. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If you have received this e-mail in error or wish to read our e-mail d
