RE: Removing the first server...possible stupid question
We recently did the same thing (remove the first server from a site) and several users were hit by delays in Outlook. On inspecting the MAPI profile registry sections of the affected client machines, we discovered more than one reference to the removed server. This was the result of something we did to our Outlook configuration, as opposed to any fault with Exchange or Outlook. (Before firing up the registry editor, check an affected user's Control Panel-Mail settings to see if there are any service entries that refer to the old box.) FWIW, you could check an affected machine's registry under : HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ Software\ Microsoft\ Windows NT\ CurrentVersion\ Windows Messaging Subsystem\ Profiles\ MS Exchange Settings (or whatever the user's mapi profile is called) for any entries that refer to the old server. If you use REGEDIT.EXE, you can easily search for the server's name. We ended up deleting some of the registry keys because they referred to a default mailbox (part of a ghost image configuration) on the removed server. After deleting these particular subkeys the affected machines seemed to recover. Please be careful if you do see anything and decide to delete - BACKUP THE REGISTRY FIRST. Of course, this may have nothing to do with your problem(!) Cheers, Loftus. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 29 April 2002 16:10 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Removing the first server...possible stupid question What happened? Did I all of a sudden wind up on everyone's ::Plonk!:: list? Let me know if you have any insights please. Jim Blunt -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 3:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Stupid Question...Removing the first server This particular server is Exchange 5.5 Sp1, NT 4.0 SP5. The rest of the site is Ex5.5, SP4 / Win2k, SP2. I have one server in my site that isn't doing anything. It is one that was installed before I took over the admin duties. It's a converted PC, so we're going to remove it from the site and shut it down. I have followed Q152959 for removing the first server in the site. I have also reviewed all the gotcha's! listed in Q189286. 1) The bridgehead server duties have been migrated over to another server. 2) The public folders have all been rehomed to another server. 3) There are no mailboxes on this server. 4) The distribution lists are all set to expand on a different server. 5) There are no replicas of the Free/Busy information on this server 6) There is no replica of the OAB on the server 7) There are no organizational forms on the server 8) Routing calculation has been moved to another server 9) There are no connectors of any kind on this server 10)When I look at the Instances tab of the Public store on this server, the only public folder left on this server is called Eventconfig_servername. Yet, when I go to the Age Limits tab, there is another folder listed there called Nntp Control Folder, which I can't find anywhere else. The exchange databases that exist on this server are as follows: \\servername\c$\exchsrvr\dsadata\dir.edb - 105 mb \\servername\c$\exchsrvr\dsadata\temp.edb - 1 mb \\servername\c$\exchsrvr\mdbdata\tmp.edb - 7 mb \\servername\e$\exchsrvr\mdbdata\pub.edb - 162 mb \\servername\e$\exchsrvr\mdbdata\priv.edb - 13 mb None of them have been modified since 02/26/02 Even with nothing on this server, I am still getting 5 to 10 people per day logging on to the Public Store. Is this normal? What are these people logging on to? A replica of the public folders? Should I?: 1) Stop all the Exchange services and leave it for a week 2) Restart the services 3) Remove the server from the site 4) Leave the server up for a day or two 5) Turn it off. I stopped all the services on this server for the weekend, about a month and a half ago, thinking that nobody would holler. When I did that, I had whole bunches of people complaining about how slow their Outlook clients were. As soon as I started everything back up, things were fine. What am I missing? TIA, Jim Blunt _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To
RE: Removing the first server...possible stupid question
Make sure all public folder replicas are gone, and that the Event Service (if installed) is shut down. Leave it that way for a while, and monitor the activity. -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Monday, April 29, 2002 10:10 AM Posted To: Exchange List Conversation: Removing the first server...possible stupid question Subject: Removing the first server...possible stupid question What happened? Did I all of a sudden wind up on everyone's ::Plonk!:: list? Let me know if you have any insights please. Jim Blunt -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 3:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Stupid Question...Removing the first server This particular server is Exchange 5.5 Sp1, NT 4.0 SP5. The rest of the site is Ex5.5, SP4 / Win2k, SP2. I have one server in my site that isn't doing anything. It is one that was installed before I took over the admin duties. It's a converted PC, so we're going to remove it from the site and shut it down. I have followed Q152959 for removing the first server in the site. I have also reviewed all the gotcha's! listed in Q189286. 1) The bridgehead server duties have been migrated over to another server. 2) The public folders have all been rehomed to another server. 3) There are no mailboxes on this server. 4) The distribution lists are all set to expand on a different server. 5) There are no replicas of the Free/Busy information on this server 6) There is no replica of the OAB on the server 7) There are no organizational forms on the server 8) Routing calculation has been moved to another server 9) There are no connectors of any kind on this server 10)When I look at the Instances tab of the Public store on this server, the only public folder left on this server is called Eventconfig_servername. Yet, when I go to the Age Limits tab, there is another folder listed there called Nntp Control Folder, which I can't find anywhere else. The exchange databases that exist on this server are as follows: \\servername\c$\exchsrvr\dsadata\dir.edb - 105 mb \\servername\c$\exchsrvr\dsadata\temp.edb - 1 mb \\servername\c$\exchsrvr\mdbdata\tmp.edb - 7 mb \\servername\e$\exchsrvr\mdbdata\pub.edb - 162 mb \\servername\e$\exchsrvr\mdbdata\priv.edb - 13 mb None of them have been modified since 02/26/02 Even with nothing on this server, I am still getting 5 to 10 people per day logging on to the Public Store. Is this normal? What are these people logging on to? A replica of the public folders? Should I?: 1) Stop all the Exchange services and leave it for a week 2) Restart the services 3) Remove the server from the site 4) Leave the server up for a day or two 5) Turn it off. I stopped all the services on this server for the weekend, about a month and a half ago, thinking that nobody would holler. When I did that, I had whole bunches of people complaining about how slow their Outlook clients were. As soon as I started everything back up, things were fine. What am I missing? TIA, Jim Blunt _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Removing the first server...possible stupid question
The server you removed had Public Folders on it. Now the users (Outlook) are still trying to access that as their PF server. The fix is to either recreate all profiles or bring another box up with that same name then have everyone in the site hit the PF's so it redirects the client to the new PF server. A nice link sent out to all will work great. Tom Mezyk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 11:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Removing the first server...possible stupid question We recently did the same thing (remove the first server from a site) and several users were hit by delays in Outlook. On inspecting the MAPI profile registry sections of the affected client machines, we discovered more than one reference to the removed server. This was the result of something we did to our Outlook configuration, as opposed to any fault with Exchange or Outlook. (Before firing up the registry editor, check an affected user's Control Panel-Mail settings to see if there are any service entries that refer Panel-to the old box.) FWIW, you could check an affected machine's registry under : HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ Software\ Microsoft\ Windows NT\ CurrentVersion\ Windows Messaging Subsystem\ Profiles\ MS Exchange Settings (or whatever the user's mapi profile is called) for any entries that refer to the old server. If you use REGEDIT.EXE, you can easily search for the server's name. We ended up deleting some of the registry keys because they referred to a default mailbox (part of a ghost image configuration) on the removed server. After deleting these particular subkeys the affected machines seemed to recover. Please be careful if you do see anything and decide to delete - BACKUP THE REGISTRY FIRST. Of course, this may have nothing to do with your problem(!) Cheers, Loftus. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 29 April 2002 16:10 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Removing the first server...possible stupid question What happened? Did I all of a sudden wind up on everyone's ::Plonk!:: list? Let me know if you have any insights please. Jim Blunt -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 3:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Stupid Question...Removing the first server This particular server is Exchange 5.5 Sp1, NT 4.0 SP5. The rest of the site is Ex5.5, SP4 / Win2k, SP2. I have one server in my site that isn't doing anything. It is one that was installed before I took over the admin duties. It's a converted PC, so we're going to remove it from the site and shut it down. I have followed Q152959 for removing the first server in the site. I have also reviewed all the gotcha's! listed in Q189286. 1) The bridgehead server duties have been migrated over to another server. 2) The public folders have all been rehomed to another server. 3) There are no mailboxes on this server. 4) The distribution lists are all set to expand on a different server. 5) There are no replicas of the Free/Busy information on this server 6) There is no replica of the OAB on the server 7) There are no organizational forms on the server 8) Routing calculation has been moved to another server 9) There are no connectors of any kind on this server 10)When I look at the Instances tab of the Public store on this server, the only public folder left on this server is called Eventconfig_servername. Yet, when I go to the Age Limits tab, there is another folder listed there called Nntp Control Folder, which I can't find anywhere else. The exchange databases that exist on this server are as follows: \\servername\c$\exchsrvr\dsadata\dir.edb - 105 mb \\servername\c$\exchsrvr\dsadata\temp.edb - 1 mb \\servername\c$\exchsrvr\mdbdata\tmp.edb - 7 mb \\servername\e$\exchsrvr\mdbdata\pub.edb - 162 mb \\servername\e$\exchsrvr\mdbdata\priv.edb - 13 mb None of them have been modified since 02/26/02 Even with nothing on this server, I am still getting 5 to 10 people per day logging on to the Public Store. Is this normal? What are these people logging on to? A replica of the public folders? Should I?: 1) Stop all the Exchange services and leave it for a week 2) Restart the services 3) Remove the server from the site 4) Leave the server up for a day or two 5) Turn it off. I stopped all the services on this server for the weekend, about a month and a half ago, thinking that nobody would holler. When I did that, I had whole bunches of people complaining about how slow their Outlook clients were. As soon as I started everything back up, things were fine. What am I missing? TIA, Jim Blunt _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp
RE: Removing the first server...possible stupid question (Solutio n Found)
Thanks to everyone for all their responses. They were all great ideas, but this server has been up for weeks since making the changes indicated below, giving everyone ample time to connect to the server that has inherited this server's duties. Thanks to an offline response from Geoff Mason, I found what I believe is the answer to my problem. While Geoff's answer didn't fix my problem, he did point me to Q235396, which in turn pointed me to Q152960. In reading that Q article, I found the following section: Changing the Site Folder Server If the Site Folder Server is removed from the site, Exchange will automatically discover the problem and select another server, but this may take several hours or longer. The site folder server has responsibility for verifying the validity and existence of the Offline Address Book (OAB) and the Schedule+ Free Busy (F/B) folders. Well DUH! That makes sense now, why I was still getting people that show up as logging onto the server. Followed the instructions for altering the Site Folder Server, and sure enough!, there was the name of the first server in the Org. Changed it to point to the OAB/Free+Busy server and am letting it replicate now. Thanks again to everyone for the great responses! Jim Blunt -Original Message- From: Mezyk, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Removing the first server...possible stupid question The server you removed had Public Folders on it. Now the users (Outlook) are still trying to access that as their PF server. The fix is to either recreate all profiles or bring another box up with that same name then have everyone in the site hit the PF's so it redirects the client to the new PF server. A nice link sent out to all will work great. Tom Mezyk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 11:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Removing the first server...possible stupid question We recently did the same thing (remove the first server from a site) and several users were hit by delays in Outlook. On inspecting the MAPI profile registry sections of the affected client machines, we discovered more than one reference to the removed server. This was the result of something we did to our Outlook configuration, as opposed to any fault with Exchange or Outlook. (Before firing up the registry editor, check an affected user's Control Panel-Mail settings to see if there are any service entries that refer Panel-to the old box.) FWIW, you could check an affected machine's registry under : HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ Software\ Microsoft\ Windows NT\ CurrentVersion\ Windows Messaging Subsystem\ Profiles\ MS Exchange Settings (or whatever the user's mapi profile is called) for any entries that refer to the old server. If you use REGEDIT.EXE, you can easily search for the server's name. We ended up deleting some of the registry keys because they referred to a default mailbox (part of a ghost image configuration) on the removed server. After deleting these particular subkeys the affected machines seemed to recover. Please be careful if you do see anything and decide to delete - BACKUP THE REGISTRY FIRST. Of course, this may have nothing to do with your problem(!) Cheers, Loftus. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 29 April 2002 16:10 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Removing the first server...possible stupid question What happened? Did I all of a sudden wind up on everyone's ::Plonk!:: list? Let me know if you have any insights please. Jim Blunt -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 3:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Stupid Question...Removing the first server This particular server is Exchange 5.5 Sp1, NT 4.0 SP5. The rest of the site is Ex5.5, SP4 / Win2k, SP2. I have one server in my site that isn't doing anything. It is one that was installed before I took over the admin duties. It's a converted PC, so we're going to remove it from the site and shut it down. I have followed Q152959 for removing the first server in the site. I have also reviewed all the gotcha's! listed in Q189286. 1) The bridgehead server duties have been migrated over to another server. 2) The public folders have all been rehomed to another server. 3) There are no mailboxes on this server. 4) The distribution lists are all set to expand on a different server. 5) There are no replicas of the Free/Busy information on this server 6) There is no replica of the OAB on the server 7) There are no organizational forms on the server 8) Routing calculation has been moved to another server 9) There are no connectors of any kind on this server 10)When I look at the Instances tab of the Public store on this server, the only public folder
