RE: Stupid Question

2002-02-11 Thread Andy David

Why U no answer my question?


-Original Message-
From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 3:47 AM
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Well the thread was called stupid question.
That's the stupidest question I ever did see. You win Mark.

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 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: 09 February 2002 11:00
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Stupid Question
 
 
 Have you find a product to BLB to AD?!
 
 For E2K there are, for AD I haven't seen..
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Chris Haaker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 10:27 PM
 Subject: Stupid Question
 
 
  My boss is looking for the definitive answer. I KNOW the answer for 
  XCH
 5.5.
  but in XCH 2K does MS support the use of brick - level 
 backups (ducks
  quickly)
 
  Thanks!
 
  I know Ed's EMail signature *should* say it all; I have 
 even passed it
 along
  to my boss!
 
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Re: Stupid Question

2002-02-10 Thread missy koslosky

Oh. My. Ghod.
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Have you find a product to BLB to AD?!

For E2K there are, for AD I haven't seen..

- Original Message -
From: Chris Haaker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 10:27 PM
Subject: Stupid Question


 My boss is looking for the definitive answer. I KNOW the answer for XCH
5.5.
 but in XCH 2K does MS support the use of brick - level backups (ducks
 quickly)

 Thanks!

 I know Ed's EMail signature *should* say it all; I have even passed it
along
 to my boss!

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RE: Stupid Question

2002-02-10 Thread Martin Blackstone

::shudder::

-Original Message-
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Oh. My. Ghod.
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From: Mark Hanji [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: Stupid Question


Have you find a product to BLB to AD?!

For E2K there are, for AD I haven't seen..

- Original Message -
From: Chris Haaker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 10:27 PM
Subject: Stupid Question


 My boss is looking for the definitive answer. I KNOW the answer for 
 XCH
5.5.
 but in XCH 2K does MS support the use of brick - level backups (ducks
 quickly)

 Thanks!

 I know Ed's EMail signature *should* say it all; I have even passed it
along
 to my boss!

 Destiny...is not a matter of chance, it is a matter of choice;
it is not a thing to be waited for, it is a thing to be achieved.
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RE: Stupid Question

2002-02-10 Thread Andy David

picks up jaw off of floor


-Original Message-
From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 9:41 AM
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Subject: Re: Stupid Question


Oh. My. Ghod.
- Original Message - 
From: Mark Hanji [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: Stupid Question


Have you find a product to BLB to AD?!

For E2K there are, for AD I haven't seen..

- Original Message -
From: Chris Haaker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 10:27 PM
Subject: Stupid Question


 My boss is looking for the definitive answer. I KNOW the answer for XCH
5.5.
 but in XCH 2K does MS support the use of brick - level backups (ducks
 quickly)

 Thanks!

 I know Ed's EMail signature *should* say it all; I have even passed it
along
 to my boss!

 Destiny...is not a matter of chance, it is a matter of choice;
it is not a thing to be waited for, it is a thing to be achieved.
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RE: Stupid Question

2002-02-10 Thread Martin Blackstone

Excuse me. Can I have my jaw back?

-Original Message-
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picks up jaw off of floor


-Original Message-
From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 9:41 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Stupid Question


Oh. My. Ghod.
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From: Mark Hanji [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: Stupid Question


Have you find a product to BLB to AD?!

For E2K there are, for AD I haven't seen..

- Original Message -
From: Chris Haaker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 10:27 PM
Subject: Stupid Question


 My boss is looking for the definitive answer. I KNOW the answer for 
 XCH
5.5.
 but in XCH 2K does MS support the use of brick - level backups (ducks
 quickly)

 Thanks!

 I know Ed's EMail signature *should* say it all; I have even passed it
along
 to my boss!

 Destiny...is not a matter of chance, it is a matter of choice;
it is not a thing to be waited for, it is a thing to be achieved.
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RE: Stupid Question

2002-02-10 Thread Ryan Finnesey

I was told at a MEC by CommVault  that they can do a type of BLB of AD
but I have to used it.



Ryan,


-Original Message-
From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 6:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
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Have you find a product to BLB to AD?!

For E2K there are, for AD I haven't seen..

- Original Message -
From: Chris Haaker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 10:27 PM
Subject: Stupid Question


 My boss is looking for the definitive answer. I KNOW the answer for 
 XCH
5.5.
 but in XCH 2K does MS support the use of brick - level backups (ducks
 quickly)

 Thanks!

 I know Ed's EMail signature *should* say it all; I have even passed it
along
 to my boss!

 Destiny...is not a matter of chance, it is a matter of choice;
it is not a thing to be waited for, it is a thing to be achieved.
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Re: Stupid Question

2002-02-09 Thread Mark Hanji

Have you find a product to BLB to AD?!

For E2K there are, for AD I haven't seen..

- Original Message -
From: Chris Haaker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 10:27 PM
Subject: Stupid Question


 My boss is looking for the definitive answer. I KNOW the answer for XCH
5.5.
 but in XCH 2K does MS support the use of brick - level backups (ducks
 quickly)

 Thanks!

 I know Ed's EMail signature *should* say it all; I have even passed it
along
 to my boss!

 Destiny...is not a matter of chance, it is a matter of choice;
it is not a thing to be waited for, it is a thing to be achieved.
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RE: Stupid Question

2002-02-08 Thread Dupler, Craig

Can it be done?  Yes.  It is possible to write a backup system that in
effect copies off the contents of individual mailboxes one at a time, thus
exploding single instance storage into some unfathomable large number that
will require Enron accounting to pay for the backup media.

Do any shipping backup products support it?  I don't know, but would be very
surprised if they didn't.  Lots of people make procurement decisions on
dubious criteria.

Tell you boss that there is no such thing a an individual mailbox and that
it's all an illusion.  There is one big group account.  It is called the
store.  Different users get to see different content based on their
permissions.  Regular backup is bricked, since it takes a single image of
the single mailbox that is the store.  Maybe that will cause the lights to
come on.


-Original Message-
From: Chris Haaker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 12:27 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Stupid Question


My boss is looking for the definitive answer. I KNOW the answer for XCH 5.5.
but in XCH 2K does MS support the use of brick - level backups (ducks
quickly)

Thanks!

I know Ed's EMail signature *should* say it all; I have even passed it along
to my boss!

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   it is not a thing to be waited for, it is a thing to be achieved.
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RE: Stupid Question

2002-02-08 Thread Ed Crowley

I don't know that Microsoft supports brick-level backup.  Add-on
products do.  The Veritas web site might be a good place to start.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
Compaq Computer Corporation
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Haaker
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 12:27 PM
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Subject: Stupid Question


My boss is looking for the definitive answer. I KNOW the answer for XCH
5.5. but in XCH 2K does MS support the use of brick - level backups
(ducks
quickly)

Thanks!

I know Ed's EMail signature *should* say it all; I have even passed it
along to my boss!

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RE: Stupid Question

2002-02-08 Thread Etts, Russell

Hi there

I know that Veritas does do a BLB on E2k - I just spoke with them today.

Thanks

Russell

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Stupid Question


I don't know that Microsoft supports brick-level backup.  Add-on
products do.  The Veritas web site might be a good place to start.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
Compaq Computer Corporation
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Haaker
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 12:27 PM
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Subject: Stupid Question


My boss is looking for the definitive answer. I KNOW the answer for XCH
5.5. but in XCH 2K does MS support the use of brick - level backups
(ducks
quickly)

Thanks!

I know Ed's EMail signature *should* say it all; I have even passed it
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RE: Stupid Question

2002-02-08 Thread Andrey Fyodorov

You can do better than brick with CommVault Galaxy - this product backs up
individual mailboxes and preserves the single instance storage, i.e. if a
message was received by 100 users, CommVault backs it up once and then backs
up 100 pointers.


http://www.commvault.com/




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Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:27 PM
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Subject: Stupid Question


My boss is looking for the definitive answer. I KNOW the answer for XCH 5.5.
but in XCH 2K does MS support the use of brick - level backups (ducks
quickly)

Thanks!

I know Ed's EMail signature *should* say it all; I have even passed it along
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RE: Stupid Question

2002-02-08 Thread Webb, Andy

They all claim to do it.  None do it accurately or well.  They all use the
MAPI client interfaces to access the data.  But the MAPI client interfaces
don't get the data out in  a way that can be put back in without loss and
change.  The MAPI interfaces, like Craig alluded to, only present a view
of the database.  So, there's no way to actually back up all the data that
way. Nor is there a way to put the data back into the database using the
MAPI client interfaces that will result in the same view again.

Microsoft has not provided a separate API that will make a fully reversible
backup/restore work on a single mailbox level.  The only fully reversible
method acts on an entire store.

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-Original Message-
From: Chris Haaker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 2:44 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Stupid Question


ARCServe 2000 has an Exchange Agent just as in previous version (as does
Backup Exec) that allow for brick level backups. In Exchange 5.5 I know MS
does not support this (as in screw something up via Bricked Backups and
you'll get no tech support from us!) But I am just starting to design my XCH
2K and I dont know due to some new technology in XCH2K if they've changed
their stance on this or not . . .

- Original Message -
From: Dupler, Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:37 PM
Subject: RE: Stupid Question


 Can it be done?  Yes.  It is possible to write a backup system that in
 effect copies off the contents of individual mailboxes one at a time, thus
 exploding single instance storage into some unfathomable large number that
 will require Enron accounting to pay for the backup media.

 Do any shipping backup products support it?  I don't know, but would be
very
 surprised if they didn't.  Lots of people make procurement decisions on
 dubious criteria.

 Tell you boss that there is no such thing a an individual mailbox and that
 it's all an illusion.  There is one big group account.  It is called the
 store.  Different users get to see different content based on their
 permissions.  Regular backup is bricked, since it takes a single image of
 the single mailbox that is the store.  Maybe that will cause the lights to
 come on.


 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Haaker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 12:27 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Stupid Question


 My boss is looking for the definitive answer. I KNOW the answer for XCH
5.5.
 but in XCH 2K does MS support the use of brick - level backups (ducks
 quickly)

 Thanks!

 I know Ed's EMail signature *should* say it all; I have even passed it
along
 to my boss!

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