RE: changing Outlook client mail profile

2002-01-18 Thread Andy David

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on-list rebuttals...


-Original Message-
From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 9:09 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: FW: changing Outlook client mail profile


I don't do this off-list.  You have something to say to me, you can say it
in front of the other thousands of people here.

Had you really read the FAQ you should have cited your resource.  Had you
really read the FAQ you would already know what is required to get an answer
to your question.  You did not provide that info.  I routinely post
questions saying that so and so told me this, I want others to confirm or
deny.  I see nothing wrong with that and if you or your colleague do, you
need to hop over to http://www/getabackbone.com.

-Original Message-
From: Sakti Chakravarty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 4:43 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: changing Outlook client mail profile


Thankyou for your confirmation.

Yes, so some of us out here are misinformed, that's why we come to this
list.  My colleague may be misinformed, but I do not subscribe to the I am
right and you are wrong school of thought.  There's a little thing called
RESPECT, which goes a long way when you apply it in the workplace.  Unlike
you, I respect my colleagues and their opinions, so I am not going to write
to the list and say hey, I think my colleague is wrong but can you confirm
  Indeed I have performed migrations where there were no problems with
clients reconnecting, but I just wanted to check!

Sorry if my post ticked you off, but I'm not responsible for the way you
react, and I cannot know everything you require to answer a question without
being rude.

-Original Message-
From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 1:15 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: changing Outlook client mail profile

I have never had trouble with OL97 or OL98 reconnecting to the server after
a move.  Perhaps Sakti just has a bad setup, or bad colleagues.  At a
minimum they are clearly misinformed.

Now to your response.  You never once said that a colleague had planted this
erroneous information in your head did you?  Did you say that you've got
Ed's Move Server method in hand?  Er, no.  You also said you were about to
go hacking registries which as those of us who have actually read the FAQ
already know, is completely unnecesary.  But go right ahead anyway, please,
don't, stop.

-Original Message-
From: Smith, Ronni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 6:50 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: changing Outlook client mail profile


FWIW (and certainly not to be argumentative) none of my Outlook 97 clients
had any issues finding the new server when I moved Exchange to the new
server using the ECMSM. I thought it was some really cool automagical $h!t.
Perhaps I am easily impressed. I did leave the old server up for a few days
so that people on travel would get back and reconnect. I don't know that I
can come up with the version number of Outlook 97 that we used at that time
though since everyone is now on Outlook 2000 but I know we were supposed to
be at a very specific version of Outlook 97 which was decreed as good (in
general not just for moving servers). Although I would be very surprised if
every single machine was at that version.

Ronni


 -Original Message-
 From: Sakti Chakravarty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:26 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: changing Outlook client mail profile
 
 
 For your information I have been a member of this list for 
 long enough to
 have read the FAQs.  If a colleague of mine has suggested 
 that Outlook 97
 clients do not reconnect automatically to the new server, 
 what harm is there
 in sending a message to this list to check up?  That's what 
 it's here for!
 
 If you cannot respond to such questions without being useless 
 and sarcastic,
 don't respond at all, I would hope you might have something 
 better to do
 with your time.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:45 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: changing Outlook client mail profile
 
 You don't do a thing except go read Ed's Move Server Method, which you
 clearly did not yet read, or you would have brilliantly awed 
 us with your
 knowledge that you do not need to do a thing on the client.
 
 FAQ FAQ FAQ FAQ
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Sakti Chakravarty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:26 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: changing Outlook client mail profile
 
 
 Hi folks,
 
 We are installing an Exchange 5.5 server in an organisation 
 with one other
 Exchange 5.5 server and are going to move everything from the 
 old server to
 the new server.
 
 There are about 150 clients running Outlook version 
 5.0.2653.22 or less
 (which

RE: changing Outlook client mail profile

2002-01-17 Thread Chris Scharff

Her response may have been sarcastic, but it was hardly useless. It was the
correct answer to the question as asked.

After moving the mailboxes, we need to point mail profiles to the new
server, what is the best way to go about doing this?

Now, had you phrased a proper technical question[1], Mrs. Hunter's response
would have been different (and possibly even less sarcastic). Looking ant
the quality, depth and breadth of Mrs. Hunter's answers to this list over
the last several years I certainly hope she doesn't find something better to
do with her time.

If the ECMSM did not apply to all clients using the Exchange Server service
there would likely be a caveat in the method, especially since OL97 was the
predominant client in use at the time it was codified into a FAQ appendix.

[1] One which even vaguely described the actual question you were trying to
ascertain the answer to.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sakti
Chakravarty
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: changing Outlook client mail profile


For your information I have been a member of this list for long enough
to
have read the FAQs.  If a colleague of mine has suggested that Outlook
97
clients do not reconnect automatically to the new server, what harm is
there
in sending a message to this list to check up?  That's what it's here
for!

If you cannot respond to such questions without being useless and
sarcastic,
don't respond at all, I would hope you might have something better to do
with your time.

-Original Message-
From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: changing Outlook client mail profile

You don't do a thing except go read Ed's Move Server Method, which you
clearly did not yet read, or you would have brilliantly awed us with
your
knowledge that you do not need to do a thing on the client.

FAQ FAQ FAQ FAQ

-Original Message-
From: Sakti Chakravarty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:26 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: changing Outlook client mail profile


Hi folks,

We are installing an Exchange 5.5 server in an organisation with one
other
Exchange 5.5 server and are going to move everything from the old server
to
the new server.

There are about 150 clients running Outlook version 5.0.2653.22 or less
(which I understand implies they are all on Outlook97?).

After moving the mailboxes, we need to point mail profiles to the new
server, what is the best way to go about doing this?

We were thinking of enforcing a registry change on each Windows client
using
the logon script (obviously this won't work for the Macs, but that's
ok).
I've discovered utilities like NEWPROF ... but I wonder if anyone can
confirm this is the best way?

Thanks
Sakti


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RE: changing Outlook client mail profile

2002-01-16 Thread Hunter, Lori

I have never had trouble with OL97 or OL98 reconnecting to the server after
a move.  Perhaps Sakti just has a bad setup, or bad colleagues.  At a
minimum they are clearly misinformed.

Now to your response.  You never once said that a colleague had planted this
erroneous information in your head did you?  Did you say that you've got
Ed's Move Server method in hand?  Er, no.  You also said you were about to
go hacking registries which as those of us who have actually read the FAQ
already know, is completely unnecesary.  But go right ahead anyway, please,
don't, stop.

-Original Message-
From: Smith, Ronni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 6:50 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: changing Outlook client mail profile


FWIW (and certainly not to be argumentative) none of my Outlook 97 clients
had any issues finding the new server when I moved Exchange to the new
server using the ECMSM. I thought it was some really cool automagical $h!t.
Perhaps I am easily impressed. I did leave the old server up for a few days
so that people on travel would get back and reconnect. I don't know that I
can come up with the version number of Outlook 97 that we used at that time
though since everyone is now on Outlook 2000 but I know we were supposed to
be at a very specific version of Outlook 97 which was decreed as good (in
general not just for moving servers). Although I would be very surprised if
every single machine was at that version.

Ronni


 -Original Message-
 From: Sakti Chakravarty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:26 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: changing Outlook client mail profile
 
 
 For your information I have been a member of this list for 
 long enough to
 have read the FAQs.  If a colleague of mine has suggested 
 that Outlook 97
 clients do not reconnect automatically to the new server, 
 what harm is there
 in sending a message to this list to check up?  That's what 
 it's here for!
 
 If you cannot respond to such questions without being useless 
 and sarcastic,
 don't respond at all, I would hope you might have something 
 better to do
 with your time.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:45 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: changing Outlook client mail profile
 
 You don't do a thing except go read Ed's Move Server Method, which you
 clearly did not yet read, or you would have brilliantly awed 
 us with your
 knowledge that you do not need to do a thing on the client.
 
 FAQ FAQ FAQ FAQ
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Sakti Chakravarty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:26 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: changing Outlook client mail profile
 
 
 Hi folks,
 
 We are installing an Exchange 5.5 server in an organisation 
 with one other
 Exchange 5.5 server and are going to move everything from the 
 old server to
 the new server.
 
 There are about 150 clients running Outlook version 
 5.0.2653.22 or less
 (which I understand implies they are all on Outlook97?).
 
 After moving the mailboxes, we need to point mail profiles to the new
 server, what is the best way to go about doing this?
 
 We were thinking of enforcing a registry change on each 
 Windows client using
 the logon script (obviously this won't work for the Macs, but 
 that's ok).
 I've discovered utilities like NEWPROF ... but I wonder if anyone can
 confirm this is the best way?
 
 Thanks
 Sakti
 
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RE: changing Outlook client mail profile

2002-01-16 Thread Soysal, Serdar


Sakti,

Lori's response is precisely what your original post asked for.  So don't
get whiny.  Furthermore, she actually answered your question as well.  

Two more things:
1- The automatic profile update has been there since Exchange 4.0
client/server as far as I remember.  
2- You don't need to complete a certain amount of time as a member of the
list before you read the FAQ.  You do it WHEN you join the list.  You go
back and review the FAQ every month to look for updates.

S.



-Original Message-
From: Sakti Chakravarty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 5:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: changing Outlook client mail profile


For your information I have been a member of this list for long enough to
have read the FAQs.  If a colleague of mine has suggested that Outlook 97
clients do not reconnect automatically to the new server, what harm is there
in sending a message to this list to check up?  That's what it's here for!

If you cannot respond to such questions without being useless and sarcastic,
don't respond at all, I would hope you might have something better to do
with your time.

-Original Message-
From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: changing Outlook client mail profile

You don't do a thing except go read Ed's Move Server Method, which you
clearly did not yet read, or you would have brilliantly awed us with your
knowledge that you do not need to do a thing on the client.

FAQ FAQ FAQ FAQ

-Original Message-
From: Sakti Chakravarty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:26 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: changing Outlook client mail profile


Hi folks,

We are installing an Exchange 5.5 server in an organisation with one other
Exchange 5.5 server and are going to move everything from the old server to
the new server.

There are about 150 clients running Outlook version 5.0.2653.22 or less
(which I understand implies they are all on Outlook97?).

After moving the mailboxes, we need to point mail profiles to the new
server, what is the best way to go about doing this?

We were thinking of enforcing a registry change on each Windows client using
the logon script (obviously this won't work for the Macs, but that's ok).
I've discovered utilities like NEWPROF ... but I wonder if anyone can
confirm this is the best way?

Thanks
Sakti

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RE: changing Outlook client mail profile

2002-01-16 Thread Ed Crowley

If that was what you wanted to know it is what you should have asked.  I
didn't get that from your original post either.

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Tech Consultant
Compaq Computer
There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sakti
Chakravarty
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: changing Outlook client mail profile


For your information I have been a member of this list for long enough to
have read the FAQs.  If a colleague of mine has suggested that Outlook 97
clients do not reconnect automatically to the new server, what harm is there
in sending a message to this list to check up?  That's what it's here for!

If you cannot respond to such questions without being useless and sarcastic,
don't respond at all, I would hope you might have something better to do
with your time.

-Original Message-
From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: changing Outlook client mail profile

You don't do a thing except go read Ed's Move Server Method, which you
clearly did not yet read, or you would have brilliantly awed us with your
knowledge that you do not need to do a thing on the client.

FAQ FAQ FAQ FAQ

-Original Message-
From: Sakti Chakravarty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:26 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: changing Outlook client mail profile


Hi folks,

We are installing an Exchange 5.5 server in an organisation with one other
Exchange 5.5 server and are going to move everything from the old server to
the new server.

There are about 150 clients running Outlook version 5.0.2653.22 or less
(which I understand implies they are all on Outlook97?).

After moving the mailboxes, we need to point mail profiles to the new
server, what is the best way to go about doing this?

We were thinking of enforcing a registry change on each Windows client using
the logon script (obviously this won't work for the Macs, but that's ok).
I've discovered utilities like NEWPROF ... but I wonder if anyone can
confirm this is the best way?

Thanks
Sakti

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RE: changing Outlook client mail profile

2002-01-16 Thread Ed Crowley

As to your point #1, you are correct sir.  I practiced The Method back in
the days of Exchange 4.0.  Some things don't change a whole lot.

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Tech Consultant
Compaq Computer
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Soysal, Serdar
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 10:07 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: changing Outlook client mail profile



Sakti,

Lori's response is precisely what your original post asked for.  So don't
get whiny.  Furthermore, she actually answered your question as well.

Two more things:
1- The automatic profile update has been there since Exchange 4.0
client/server as far as I remember.
2- You don't need to complete a certain amount of time as a member of the
list before you read the FAQ.  You do it WHEN you join the list.  You go
back and review the FAQ every month to look for updates.

S.



-Original Message-
From: Sakti Chakravarty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 5:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: changing Outlook client mail profile


For your information I have been a member of this list for long enough to
have read the FAQs.  If a colleague of mine has suggested that Outlook 97
clients do not reconnect automatically to the new server, what harm is there
in sending a message to this list to check up?  That's what it's here for!

If you cannot respond to such questions without being useless and sarcastic,
don't respond at all, I would hope you might have something better to do
with your time.

-Original Message-
From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: changing Outlook client mail profile

You don't do a thing except go read Ed's Move Server Method, which you
clearly did not yet read, or you would have brilliantly awed us with your
knowledge that you do not need to do a thing on the client.

FAQ FAQ FAQ FAQ

-Original Message-
From: Sakti Chakravarty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:26 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: changing Outlook client mail profile


Hi folks,

We are installing an Exchange 5.5 server in an organisation with one other
Exchange 5.5 server and are going to move everything from the old server to
the new server.

There are about 150 clients running Outlook version 5.0.2653.22 or less
(which I understand implies they are all on Outlook97?).

After moving the mailboxes, we need to point mail profiles to the new
server, what is the best way to go about doing this?

We were thinking of enforcing a registry change on each Windows client using
the logon script (obviously this won't work for the Macs, but that's ok).
I've discovered utilities like NEWPROF ... but I wonder if anyone can
confirm this is the best way?

Thanks
Sakti

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RE: changing Outlook client mail profile

2002-01-15 Thread Hunter, Lori

You don't do a thing except go read Ed's Move Server Method, which you
clearly did not yet read, or you would have brilliantly awed us with your
knowledge that you do not need to do a thing on the client.

FAQ FAQ FAQ FAQ

-Original Message-
From: Sakti Chakravarty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:26 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: changing Outlook client mail profile


Hi folks,

We are installing an Exchange 5.5 server in an organisation with one other
Exchange 5.5 server and are going to move everything from the old server to
the new server.

There are about 150 clients running Outlook version 5.0.2653.22 or less
(which I understand implies they are all on Outlook97?).

After moving the mailboxes, we need to point mail profiles to the new
server, what is the best way to go about doing this?

We were thinking of enforcing a registry change on each Windows client using
the logon script (obviously this won't work for the Macs, but that's ok).
I've discovered utilities like NEWPROF ... but I wonder if anyone can
confirm this is the best way?

Thanks
Sakti

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RE: changing Outlook client mail profile

2002-01-15 Thread Paul Bouzan

No reconfiguration needed.

Bring up new box and move the mailboxes.  Once done just leave the old
server running and Outlook will magically notice that the mailboxes have
moved and connect to the new box.

PBB
~ndi


-Original Message-
From: Sakti Chakravarty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 15 January 2002 06:26
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: changing Outlook client mail profile


Hi folks,

We are installing an Exchange 5.5 server in an organisation with one other
Exchange 5.5 server and are going to move everything from the old server to
the new server.

There are about 150 clients running Outlook version 5.0.2653.22 or less
(which I understand implies they are all on Outlook97?).

After moving the mailboxes, we need to point mail profiles to the new
server, what is the best way to go about doing this?

We were thinking of enforcing a registry change on each Windows client using
the logon script (obviously this won't work for the Macs, but that's ok).
I've discovered utilities like NEWPROF ... but I wonder if anyone can
confirm this is the best way?

Thanks
Sakti

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RE: changing Outlook client mail profile

2002-01-15 Thread Mark Peoples

You would really only have a trouble if you turned off the first server
...

The *last job* I was at, I did what you will be doing and it caused a
bit of trouble on some clients - they needed there mail profile
re-created.

It may have been a registry setting somewhere on the client that caused
the problem, but I can't remember the details...

BTW - is this the 'better place'?? hehehe

TTYS
MP

-Original Message-
From: Sakti Chakravarty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 15 January 2002 5:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: changing Outlook client mail profile


Hi folks,

We are installing an Exchange 5.5 server in an organisation with one
other
Exchange 5.5 server and are going to move everything from the old server
to
the new server.

There are about 150 clients running Outlook version 5.0.2653.22 or less
(which I understand implies they are all on Outlook97?).

After moving the mailboxes, we need to point mail profiles to the new
server, what is the best way to go about doing this?

We were thinking of enforcing a registry change on each Windows client
using
the logon script (obviously this won't work for the Macs, but that's
ok).
I've discovered utilities like NEWPROF ... but I wonder if anyone can
confirm this is the best way?

Thanks
Sakti

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RE: changing Outlook client mail profile

2002-01-15 Thread Sakti Chakravarty

For your information I have been a member of this list for long enough to
have read the FAQs.  If a colleague of mine has suggested that Outlook 97
clients do not reconnect automatically to the new server, what harm is there
in sending a message to this list to check up?  That's what it's here for!

If you cannot respond to such questions without being useless and sarcastic,
don't respond at all, I would hope you might have something better to do
with your time.

-Original Message-
From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: changing Outlook client mail profile

You don't do a thing except go read Ed's Move Server Method, which you
clearly did not yet read, or you would have brilliantly awed us with your
knowledge that you do not need to do a thing on the client.

FAQ FAQ FAQ FAQ

-Original Message-
From: Sakti Chakravarty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:26 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: changing Outlook client mail profile


Hi folks,

We are installing an Exchange 5.5 server in an organisation with one other
Exchange 5.5 server and are going to move everything from the old server to
the new server.

There are about 150 clients running Outlook version 5.0.2653.22 or less
(which I understand implies they are all on Outlook97?).

After moving the mailboxes, we need to point mail profiles to the new
server, what is the best way to go about doing this?

We were thinking of enforcing a registry change on each Windows client using
the logon script (obviously this won't work for the Macs, but that's ok).
I've discovered utilities like NEWPROF ... but I wonder if anyone can
confirm this is the best way?

Thanks
Sakti

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RE: changing Outlook client mail profile

2002-01-15 Thread Jennifer Baker

Earth rumbling
Uh-oh.
/Earth rumbling

-Original Message-
From: Sakti Chakravarty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: changing Outlook client mail profile


For your information I have been a member of this list for long enough to
have read the FAQs.  If a colleague of mine has suggested that Outlook 97
clients do not reconnect automatically to the new server, what harm is there
in sending a message to this list to check up?  That's what it's here for!

If you cannot respond to such questions without being useless and sarcastic,
don't respond at all, I would hope you might have something better to do
with your time.

-Original Message-
From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: changing Outlook client mail profile

You don't do a thing except go read Ed's Move Server Method, which you
clearly did not yet read, or you would have brilliantly awed us with your
knowledge that you do not need to do a thing on the client.

FAQ FAQ FAQ FAQ

-Original Message-
From: Sakti Chakravarty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:26 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: changing Outlook client mail profile


Hi folks,

We are installing an Exchange 5.5 server in an organisation with one other
Exchange 5.5 server and are going to move everything from the old server to
the new server.

There are about 150 clients running Outlook version 5.0.2653.22 or less
(which I understand implies they are all on Outlook97?).

After moving the mailboxes, we need to point mail profiles to the new
server, what is the best way to go about doing this?

We were thinking of enforcing a registry change on each Windows client using
the logon script (obviously this won't work for the Macs, but that's ok).
I've discovered utilities like NEWPROF ... but I wonder if anyone can
confirm this is the best way?

Thanks
Sakti

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