RE: Small Fopah
One large store in Exchange 2003 isn't a good thing. I know in Exchange 2000, one giant store worked fine, but in 2003, it changed. We had a gigantic store, 163 GB (or some ridiculous number like that). We never could have recovered it, and it wasn't backing up properly because one backup wouldn't be finished when the next one wanted to start. No matter how we tried to tweak the timing, it never seemed to work. Log files never purged, hard drives filled up, Exchange went offline. It was ugliness all around. We broke the one store into 4 information stores with several databases in each one, trying to keep the database files smaller than 30 GB. I can't remember where I found that magic number, very well could have been some random thing I dreamed up, but we didn't have problems with Exchange going offline after that. We had no mailbox quotas and no limit to attachments either. A silly, silly way to run Exchange, but the very importants didn't seem to care much for the finer points of the technology. They just wanted complete freedom. I spent a month moving mailboxes into the other stores, after hours, then ran an offline defrag on the emptied store to get the space back. Every month I'd send notes to people with extremely large mailboxes (more than 500 MB). The subject line read Piggy mailboxes, and I included instructions for cleaning up mailboxes. It offended many customers, but it also shamed them into cleaning out the garbage. Remember, if the size of the database is 100 GB prior to a big purge effort and the customers delete 50 GB of crap, the size of the database remains 100 GB, but the store still has 50 GB to grow before it will get bigger than the 100 GB it was before the cleanup. An offline defrag is required to get the empty space back, but the store won't grow again until the amount of data grows back to the original size, as if that empty 50 GB of data is just a placeholder, waiting to be filled. Either way, you didn't commit a faux pas. The way you're running it, with the exception of the no quota thing, is considered best practice, not one large store. Michelle Weaver Systems Administrator, Materials Research Institute Penn State University -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 10/8/2008 8:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Small Fopah Oh magic genies of Exchange, (Rubbing furiously) Well I believe about a year ago I made a Exchange Fopah with my Stores. Exch 2003 Sp2, Enterprise The thinking was that data in the main Store is growing quite large and the recovery time with our current backup tape drive would have taken 12 to 14 hours..So Veritas estimated.. verified with a tech on the line..yadda yadda.. Mgmt was not happy with that wanted it to be lower without spending money and wanted the stores broken up by Groups.. Admin Staff, Finance, Sales, etc.. The desire was to be able to recover someone's folder or data more quickly than having to do an entire IS recovery of all mailboxes and just recover the depts. Store data.. So I broke it up knowing that SIS would be lost if Email went across stores.. It was brought up to mgmt but they said the majority of email was dept localized. I didn't think so and did not fight hard enough, but.. Now fast forward a year and we are sitting with 5 stores but oh look they all have grown at about the same rate because they send email to everyone regardless so I now make a copy 5 times for every email and attachment.. Did I mention that they refused to set store limits and mandated 20gig file transfers allowed via SMTP..Oh I lost that one hard... CEO had to be able to send videos to his other buddies and the dept heads as well.. So now the question...I am 99.% sure that moving all of the mailboxes back into the same store will result in one store being the size of the sum of all 5 stores combined... Am I right there?? Any suggestions now that they are separated and essentially is just taking up more space... Thanks Greg ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Removing mailboxes (for good dang it!)
Have you tried this:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb124076(EXCHG.80).aspx
This is clean-mailbox, and it's to get rid of mailboxes that don't get
marked properly in system manager.
-Original Message-
From: Ehren Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:15 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Removing mailboxes (for good dang it!)
Since they are still in the system I believe there is a way you can
get the guid of the bad mailbox and get rid of it with a powershell
command but of course I haven't figured out how to do that.
I already tried what you suggest and it is suprising that it didn't
work. Generally when you 'disable' a mailbox it goes into the
disconnected area and I use the PS command I pasted before to get rid of
it. Its unexpected that it not show up in the disconnected area.
If anyone knows how to do what I think works above I would love to know
the commands, I will keep looking in the meantime.
Ehren J. Benson, MCSE
Windows Systems Administrator
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
517-884-5469
-Original Message-
From: Michelle Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:45 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Removing mailboxes (for good dang it!)
So you didn't disconnect. You just disabled. I must have missed that
little tidbit (you know, the important part).
If you have a little time and a cooperative customer, disconnect her
current mailbox, re-enable the old one, delete it, then reconnect the
current. It shouldn't take more than 5 minutes. You could also get
creative about the mail that might get bounced in those five minutes, by
forwarding it to another account then deleting the forwarding. It
depends on how important it is that mail always be deliverable, if 5 -
10 minutes really matter that much (or time it so you do it at night).
I don't know how else you can get rid of a disabled mailbox since I
don't think disabled mailboxes will ever purge. Hopefully someone else
has an ingenious plan. I'd just do it the hard way.
Michelle
-Original Message-
From: Ehren Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:29 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Removing mailboxes (for good dang it!)
I can not reconnect it because it is not listed in the disconnected
mailboxes list, which is the original issue. :)
Thanks
Ehren J. Benson, MCSE
Windows Systems Administrator
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
517-884-5469
-Original Message-
From: Michelle Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:56 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Removing mailboxes (for good dang it!)
Can you connect it to another user object and then delete? You
obviously can't reconnect it to the orignal user.
Michelle Weaver
System Administrator - Materials Research Institute Pennsylvania State
University
-Original Message-
From: Ehren Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:10 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Removing mailboxes (for good dang it!)
Sorry, if it wasn't clear this is exchange 2007.
Thanks
Ehren J. Benson, MCSE
Windows Systems Administrator
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
517-884-5469
From: Ehren Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:04 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Removing mailboxes (for good dang it!)
Hi-
This should be a quickie
I learned a while back (the hard way) the difference between disable
and remove for mailboxes. Luckily (or not) it was on my own mailbox.
Anyway...there is a user on our systems whose data got completely
convoluted by their own doingsso I DISABLED their mailbox and
created a new one. Now presumably the old one would go to the
disconnected mailboxes list and I would delete it for good with this
powershell command
Get-MailboxStatistics
http://www.exchangeninjas.com/Get-mailboxstatistics -database
server\db | where {$_.disconnectdate -ne $null} | foreach
{Remove-mailbox -database $_.database -storemailboxidentity
$_.mailboxguid}
However for some reason it does not go to the disconnected mailbox
list, but I still want to delete it because I don't want this 3.3GB
mailbox floating around in limbo somewhere. When I run the powershell
command...
Get-MailboxStatistics | sort-object TotalItemSize | format-table
DisplayName,
@{expression={$_.TotalItemSize.Value.ToMB()};label=TotalItemSize(MB)}
To see a list of all of our mailboxes with the sizes in MB sorted
smallest to biggest I can still see the old one at the bottom of the
list (because its huge) and the new one which I am currently filling
with all of his good data closer to the top. So its in the system
somewhere but not in the disconnected list.
How do I smoke the thing?
Many thanks!
Feel free to copy my PS commands if you don't currently have them in
your handy commands list J
Ehren J. Benson, MCSE
Windows Systems Administrator
Department of Physics
RE: Removing mailboxes (for good dang it!)
Can you connect it to another user object and then delete? You
obviously can't reconnect it to the orignal user.
Michelle Weaver
System Administrator - Materials Research Institute
Pennsylvania State University
-Original Message-
From: Ehren Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:10 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Removing mailboxes (for good dang it!)
Sorry, if it wasn't clear this is exchange 2007.
Thanks
Ehren J. Benson, MCSE
Windows Systems Administrator
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
517-884-5469
From: Ehren Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:04 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Removing mailboxes (for good dang it!)
Hi-
This should be a quickie
I learned a while back (the hard way) the difference between disable
and remove for mailboxes. Luckily (or not) it was on my own mailbox.
Anyway...there is a user on our systems whose data got completely
convoluted by their own doingsso I DISABLED their mailbox and
created a new one. Now presumably the old one would go to the
disconnected mailboxes list and I would delete it for good with this
powershell command
Get-MailboxStatistics
http://www.exchangeninjas.com/Get-mailboxstatistics -database
server\db | where {$_.disconnectdate -ne $null} | foreach
{Remove-mailbox -database $_.database -storemailboxidentity
$_.mailboxguid}
However for some reason it does not go to the disconnected mailbox
list, but I still want to delete it because I don't want this 3.3GB
mailbox floating around in limbo somewhere. When I run the powershell
command...
Get-MailboxStatistics | sort-object TotalItemSize | format-table
DisplayName,
@{expression={$_.TotalItemSize.Value.ToMB()};label=TotalItemSize(MB)}
To see a list of all of our mailboxes with the sizes in MB sorted
smallest to biggest I can still see the old one at the bottom of the
list (because its huge) and the new one which I am currently filling
with all of his good data closer to the top. So its in the system
somewhere but not in the disconnected list.
How do I smoke the thing?
Many thanks!
Feel free to copy my PS commands if you don't currently have them in
your handy commands list J
Ehren J. Benson, MCSE
Windows Systems Administrator
Department of Physics and Astronomy
Michigan State University
1209 A Biomed Phys Sci
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
517-884-5469
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RE: outlook inbox disappeared
I meant his incoming protocol - POP3, IMAP, MAPI? Michelle From: Sohail Qadir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:17 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: outlook inbox disappeared He is using smtp and no it is not in cached mode. On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Sohail Qadir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is using outlook 2003. On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Michelle Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What mail protocol is he using and is it in cached mode? Michelle ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: outlook inbox disappeared
What mail protocol is he using and is it in cached mode? Michelle From: Sohail Qadir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 4:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: outlook inbox disappeared I have admin rights to the mailbox. Also I read somewhere that some users with office 2003 sp1 might see this problem I just installed sp2 and it did not fix the problem. I am so confused. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: DC not working?
Exchange requires access to the GC in order to function. Michelle -Original Message- From: Jim Dandy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 2:55 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: DC not working? 1) I'm using RPC over HTTPS to connect to my Exchange server. 2) I have both front end and back end Exchange 2003 servers. 3) I have two DCs (server 2003). I rebooted one of my DCs and lost connectivity to mail while the DC was rebooting. Does that mean that the other DC which was up was not working properly? Note: the DC that was rebooted is handling all 5 of the FSMO roles and it is the Global Catalog server. Perhaps RPC over HTTPS needs one of the FSMO roles or the GC to function? Can someone clarify? Thanks for your help. Curt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
