RE: Delivery Attempt Standard

2010-10-04 Thread Ralph Smith

I pay for a similar service from dyndns.org called mailhop backup mx - about 
$40 per year.  They will store your messages and attempt to deliver them to 
your mail server for up to 10 days.


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 Our ISP provides a staging server that's pointed to by lower priority MX
 records and which holds the e-mail if there are any issues with our
 servers. Not sure how long for, but presumably it can be tweaked on
 request...
 
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  Subject: Re: Delivery Attempt Standard
 
  5 days.
 
  On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 05:41, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote:
   Quick question..
  
   Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail
   server is usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in
  the event
   the destenation server is not responding? Our exchange box was down
   over the weekend from Friday evening until now, due to enviromental
   issues [1] and we seem to be missing a lot of mail that I
  was kind of
   expecting to start coming in this morning.
  
   James
  
   [1] Our AC system is a piece of crap.
  
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RE: Delivery Attempt Standard

2010-10-04 Thread Michael B. Smith
Yeah, well, “back in the day” (granted, this is pre-historic for most of y’all) 
it took 3 days for an email to cross from the east coast of the US to the west 
coast of the US; as it would transit nine or ten different email systems – 
usually via dial-up.

So…that’s the historical basis. I agree that in today’s well-connected 
networks, that five days is far too long.

Regards,

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Consultant and Exchange MVP
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From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 9:02 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Delivery Attempt Standard

It really does vary.  Personally I prefer a shorter time period as if you send 
a message you typically want to know if it has (or hasn’t) been sent, not have 
it sat in a queue for 5 days (I’ve seen plenty of systems set to 120 hours or 5 
days or what seems a stupidly high period of time).

From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: 04 October 2010 13:41
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Delivery Attempt Standard

Quick question..

Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail server is 
usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the destenation 
server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over the weekend from 
Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1] and we seem to be 
missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to start coming in this 
morning.

James

[1] Our AC system is a piece of crap.

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Re: Delivery Attempt Standard

2010-10-04 Thread Don Andrews
We have ours set to 3 days I believe specifically to try to allow for weekend 
issues like this without getting into the stupid 4-5 day range. At least 
those whose attempted sends failed should have received delivery failure 
messages and can try again manually if they care.
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From: James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Mon Oct 04 07:02:01 2010
Subject: Re: Delivery Attempt Standard

Ok, so it looks like we're going to be missing some email then. C'est la vie, 
it is what it is.

Thanks,

James
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Subject: RE: Delivery Attempt Standard

Depends on the mail server. For Exchange, it’s 48 hours. For sendmail, it used 
to be 72 hours. Can’t speak to any others.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
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From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 8:49 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Delivery Attempt Standard

For some reason 24 hours is sticking in my mind... I can't seem to find 
documentation to that right now, though.
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:41 AM, James Kerr 
cluster...@gmail.commailto:cluster...@gmail.com wrote:
Quick question..

Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail server is 
usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the destenation 
server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over the weekend from 
Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1] and we seem to be 
missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to start coming in this 
morning.

James

[1] Our AC system is a piece of crap.

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Re: Delivery Attempt Standard

2010-10-04 Thread Jonathan Link
For some reason 24 hours is sticking in my mind... I can't seem to find
documentation to that right now, though.

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:41 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote:

  Quick question..

 Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail server
 is usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the
 destenation server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over the
 weekend from Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1] and we
 seem to be missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to start
 coming in this morning.

 James

 [1] Our AC system is a piece of crap.

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RE: Delivery Attempt Standard

2010-10-04 Thread Michael B. Smith
Depends on the mail server. For Exchange, it's 48 hours. For sendmail, it used 
to be 72 hours. Can't speak to any others.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 8:49 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Delivery Attempt Standard

For some reason 24 hours is sticking in my mind... I can't seem to find 
documentation to that right now, though.
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:41 AM, James Kerr 
cluster...@gmail.commailto:cluster...@gmail.com wrote:
Quick question..

Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail server is 
usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the destenation 
server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over the weekend from 
Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1] and we seem to be 
missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to start coming in this 
morning.

James

[1] Our AC system is a piece of crap.

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RE: Delivery Attempt Standard

2010-10-04 Thread Dave Wade

Our ISP provides a staging server that's pointed to by lower priority MX 
records and which holds the e-mail if there are any issues with our servers. 
Not sure how long for, but presumably it can be tweaked on request...

Dave Wade
 

 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
 Sent: 04 October 2010 14:17
 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Delivery Attempt Standard
 
 5 days.
 
 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 05:41, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote:
  Quick question..
 
  Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail 
  server is usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in 
 the event 
  the destenation server is not responding? Our exchange box was down 
  over the weekend from Friday evening until now, due to enviromental 
  issues [1] and we seem to be missing a lot of mail that I 
 was kind of 
  expecting to start coming in this morning.
 
  James
 
  [1] Our AC system is a piece of crap.
 
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Re: Delivery Attempt Standard

2010-10-04 Thread Kurt Buff
5 days isn't too long, IMHO. For exactly the kind of reasons the OP encountered.

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 06:06, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
 Yeah, well, “back in the day” (granted, this is pre-historic for most of
 y’all) it took 3 days for an email to cross from the east coast of the US to
 the west coast of the US; as it would transit nine or ten different email
 systems – usually via dial-up.



 So…that’s the historical basis. I agree that in today’s well-connected
 networks, that five days is far too long.



 Regards,



 Michael B. Smith

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com



 From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
 Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 9:02 AM
 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: Delivery Attempt Standard



 It really does vary.  Personally I prefer a shorter time period as if you
 send a message you typically want to know if it has (or hasn’t) been sent,
 not have it sat in a queue for 5 days (I’ve seen plenty of systems set to
 120 hours or 5 days or what seems a stupidly high period of time).



 From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
 Sent: 04 October 2010 13:41
 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
 Subject: Delivery Attempt Standard



 Quick question..



 Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail server is
 usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the destenation
 server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over the weekend from
 Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1] and we seem to be
 missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to start coming in this
 morning.



 James



 [1] Our AC system is a piece of crap.

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Re: Delivery Attempt Standard

2010-10-04 Thread Kurt Buff
5 days.

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 05:41, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote:
 Quick question..

 Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail server is
 usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the destenation
 server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over the weekend from
 Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1] and we seem to be
 missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to start coming in this
 morning.

 James

 [1] Our AC system is a piece of crap.

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RE: Delivery Attempt Standard

2010-10-04 Thread Jason Gurtz
As others have noted it varies widely, but remote sites will usually try
to deliver for at least a day or two before giving up.  W/o looking I'm
pretty confident at least one RFC recommends 3 days as reasonable but it's
definitely not adhered to in all cases.  If you feel/know there is some
mail that is expected from biz partners etc..., research the etrn command.
You could telnet to the remote site and try that command against the
server so they retry delivery to you.

~JasonG

 -Original Message-
 From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 08:41
 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
 Subject: Delivery Attempt Standard
 
 Quick question..
 
 Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail
server
 is usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the
 destenation server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over the
 weekend from Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1]
and
 we seem to be missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to
start
 coming in this morning.
 
 James
 
 [1] Our AC system is a piece of crap.
 
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Re: Delivery Attempt Standard

2010-10-04 Thread James Kerr
I always thought that it was 72 hours and that because our server came 
online before the 72 hours had expired, I was expecting a bunch of mail to 
flow but I was wrong. Times have changed I've discovered.


Well, more reason for facilities to get the backup AC system working as a 
backup AC. Having it run of the same cooling tower as all the other air 
handlers hardly seems like a great idea considering most of the reasons the 
AC has been broke recently has got something to do with the tower.


James

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From: Jason Gurtz jasongu...@npumail.com

To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 1:06 PM
Subject: RE: Delivery Attempt Standard



As others have noted it varies widely, but remote sites will usually try
to deliver for at least a day or two before giving up.  W/o looking I'm
pretty confident at least one RFC recommends 3 days as reasonable but it's
definitely not adhered to in all cases.  If you feel/know there is some
mail that is expected from biz partners etc..., research the etrn command.
You could telnet to the remote site and try that command against the
server so they retry delivery to you.

~JasonG


-Original Message-
From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 08:41
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Delivery Attempt Standard

Quick question..

Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail

server

is usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the
destenation server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over the
weekend from Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1]

and

we seem to be missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to

start

coming in this morning.

James

[1] Our AC system is a piece of crap.

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Re: Delivery Attempt Standard

2010-10-04 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
There is no real standard, other than the standards that the software
vendor uses for their own products.  24-72 hours typically as other people
have indicated.

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On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 5:41 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote:

  Quick question..

 Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail server
 is usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the
 destenation server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over the
 weekend from Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1] and we
 seem to be missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to start
 coming in this morning.

 James

 [1] Our AC system is a piece of crap.

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Re: Delivery Attempt Standard

2010-10-04 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
I've seen 72 hours, but I always change mine down to 24, with warnings
kicking off within an hour.  I want myself and my users to know about
communications problems in a much more timely fashion.

--
ME2


On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:54 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote:

 I always thought that it was 72 hours and that because our server came
 online before the 72 hours had expired, I was expecting a bunch of mail to
 flow but I was wrong. Times have changed I've discovered.

 Well, more reason for facilities to get the backup AC system working as a
 backup AC. Having it run of the same cooling tower as all the other air
 handlers hardly seems like a great idea considering most of the reasons the
 AC has been broke recently has got something to do with the tower.

 James

 - Original Message - From: Jason Gurtz jasongu...@npumail.com
 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 1:06 PM

 Subject: RE: Delivery Attempt Standard


  As others have noted it varies widely, but remote sites will usually try
 to deliver for at least a day or two before giving up.  W/o looking I'm
 pretty confident at least one RFC recommends 3 days as reasonable but it's
 definitely not adhered to in all cases.  If you feel/know there is some
 mail that is expected from biz partners etc..., research the etrn command.
 You could telnet to the remote site and try that command against the
 server so they retry delivery to you.

 ~JasonG

  -Original Message-
 From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 08:41
 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
 Subject: Delivery Attempt Standard

 Quick question..

 Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail

 server

 is usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the
 destenation server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over the
 weekend from Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1]

 and

 we seem to be missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to

 start

 coming in this morning.

 James

 [1] Our AC system is a piece of crap.

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Re: Delivery Attempt Standard

2010-10-04 Thread Kurt Buff
That's what delay warnings are for.

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:55, Micheal Espinola Jr
michealespin...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've seen 72 hours, but I always change mine down to 24, with warnings
 kicking off within an hour.  I want myself and my users to know about
 communications problems in a much more timely fashion.

 --
 ME2


 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:54 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote:

 I always thought that it was 72 hours and that because our server came
 online before the 72 hours had expired, I was expecting a bunch of mail to
 flow but I was wrong. Times have changed I've discovered.

 Well, more reason for facilities to get the backup AC system working as a
 backup AC. Having it run of the same cooling tower as all the other air
 handlers hardly seems like a great idea considering most of the reasons the
 AC has been broke recently has got something to do with the tower.

 James

 - Original Message - From: Jason Gurtz jasongu...@npumail.com
 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 1:06 PM
 Subject: RE: Delivery Attempt Standard


 As others have noted it varies widely, but remote sites will usually try
 to deliver for at least a day or two before giving up.  W/o looking I'm
 pretty confident at least one RFC recommends 3 days as reasonable but
 it's
 definitely not adhered to in all cases.  If you feel/know there is some
 mail that is expected from biz partners etc..., research the etrn
 command.
 You could telnet to the remote site and try that command against the
 server so they retry delivery to you.

 ~JasonG

 -Original Message-
 From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 08:41
 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
 Subject: Delivery Attempt Standard

 Quick question..

 Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail

 server

 is usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the
 destenation server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over the
 weekend from Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1]

 and

 we seem to be missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to

 start

 coming in this morning.

 James

 [1] Our AC system is a piece of crap.

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Re: Delivery Attempt Standard

2010-10-04 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
Surely.  What Im getting at is an overall reduction in all the timers -
especially the final failure.  I have worked in a number of places where the
defaults were not only problematic, but attributed to measurable loss in
productivity.

Of course it always depends on your environment and your overall user skill
levels.  I find users dont understand the concept of delays unless really
beaten into them.  But failures; they get.

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On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's what delay warnings are for.

 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:55, Micheal Espinola Jr
 michealespin...@gmail.com wrote:
  I've seen 72 hours, but I always change mine down to 24, with warnings
  kicking off within an hour.  I want myself and my users to know about
  communications problems in a much more timely fashion.
 
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  On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:54 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  I always thought that it was 72 hours and that because our server came
  online before the 72 hours had expired, I was expecting a bunch of mail
 to
  flow but I was wrong. Times have changed I've discovered.
 
  Well, more reason for facilities to get the backup AC system working as
 a
  backup AC. Having it run of the same cooling tower as all the other air
  handlers hardly seems like a great idea considering most of the reasons
 the
  AC has been broke recently has got something to do with the tower.
 
  James
 
  - Original Message - From: Jason Gurtz 
 jasongu...@npumail.com
  To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 
  Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 1:06 PM
  Subject: RE: Delivery Attempt Standard
 
 
  As others have noted it varies widely, but remote sites will usually
 try
  to deliver for at least a day or two before giving up.  W/o looking I'm
  pretty confident at least one RFC recommends 3 days as reasonable but
  it's
  definitely not adhered to in all cases.  If you feel/know there is some
  mail that is expected from biz partners etc..., research the etrn
  command.
  You could telnet to the remote site and try that command against the
  server so they retry delivery to you.
 
  ~JasonG
 
  -Original Message-
  From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 08:41
  To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
  Subject: Delivery Attempt Standard
 
  Quick question..
 
  Does anyone know if there is a standard amount of time that a mail
 
  server
 
  is usually set to keep retrying to deliver email in the event the
  destenation server is not responding? Our exchange box was down over
 the
  weekend from Friday evening until now, due to enviromental issues [1]
 
  and
 
  we seem to be missing a lot of mail that I was kind of expecting to
 
  start
 
  coming in this morning.
 
  James
 
  [1] Our AC system is a piece of crap.
 
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