RE: exchange 2007 cluster failover issue
Yep, include the entire event log error and message. Minimally the event source as well as the event id. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: phil levine [mailto:plevin...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:53 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: exchange 2007 cluster failover issue i'm working with a customer that is having an issue where their CCR cluster is failing over between 2 and 3 the last 3 mornings. the failure starts with several 1012 event ID. there is no backup going on at this time, there are no network connectivity errors, this just seems to pop up. the cluster has an 1135 error followed by 1564 where the file share witness fails to arbitrate and then an 1177 comes up saying the quorum is lost. Any ideas? Thanks as usual Phil --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: exchange 2007 cluster failover issue
there are several of these. one for each storage group Log Name: Application Source: MSExchange Cluster Date: 9/1/2010 2:10:29 AM Event ID: 1012 Task Category: ExRes Level: Error Keywords: Classic User: N/A Computer: Description: Accounting/Accounting (MailCluster): The RPC call to the service to take the cluster resource offline failed. Event Xml: Event xmlns=http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event; System Provider Name=MSExchange Cluster / EventID Qualifiers=491581012/EventID Level2/Level Task6/Task Keywords0x80/Keywords TimeCreated SystemTime=2010-09-01T06:10:29.000Z / EventRecordID153858/EventRecordID ChannelApplication/Channel Computer/Computer Security / /System EventData DataAccounting/Accounting (MailCluster)/Data BinaryBA06/Binary /EventData /Event --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: From: Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com Subject: RE: exchange 2007 cluster failover issue To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 9:21 AM Yep, include the entire event log error and message. Minimally the event source as well as the event id. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: phil levine [mailto:plevin...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:53 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: exchange 2007 cluster failover issue i'm working with a customer that is having an issue where their CCR cluster is failing over between 2 and 3 the last 3 mornings. the failure starts with several 1012 event ID. there is no backup going on at this time, there are no network connectivity errors, this just seems to pop up. the cluster has an 1135 error followed by 1564 where the file share witness fails to arbitrate and then an 1177 comes up saying the quorum is lost. Any ideas? Thanks as usual Phil --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: exchange 2007 cluster failover issue
This also: Log Name: Application Source: MSExchange Cluster Date: 9/1/2010 2:10:29 AM Event ID: 1030 Task Category: ExRes Level: Warning Keywords: Classic User: N/A Computer: MAIL02. Description: Clustered Mailbox Server: MailCluster Physical Server: MAIL02 Exchange System Attendant Instance (MailCluster): Terminate process called for MSExchangeSA (ProcessId 11796). Event Xml: Event xmlns=http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event; System Provider Name=MSExchange Cluster / EventID Qualifiers=327741030/EventID Level3/Level Task6/Task Keywords0x80/Keywords TimeCreated SystemTime=2010-09-01T06:10:29.000Z / EventRecordID153863/EventRecordID ChannelApplication/Channel Computer/Computer Security / /System EventData DataMailCluster/Data DataMAIL02/Data DataExchange System Attendant Instance (MailCluster)/Data DataMSExchangeSA/Data Data11796/Data Binary/Binary /EventData /Event --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: From: Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com Subject: RE: exchange 2007 cluster failover issue To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 9:21 AM Yep, include the entire event log error and message. Minimally the event source as well as the event id. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: phil levine [mailto:plevin...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:53 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: exchange 2007 cluster failover issue i'm working with a customer that is having an issue where their CCR cluster is failing over between 2 and 3 the last 3 mornings. the failure starts with several 1012 event ID. there is no backup going on at this time, there are no network connectivity errors, this just seems to pop up. the cluster has an 1135 error followed by 1564 where the file share witness fails to arbitrate and then an 1177 comes up saying the quorum is lost. Any ideas? Thanks as usual Phil --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: exchange 2007 cluster failover issue
Both of the errors you posted are so-called downstream errors. We will need the first error or two in the sequence in order to get some good data. Worst case, you can cluster.exe log /g and examine the detailed log file. If it isn't there - you have a ghost. :) In fact, that's probably what you should go ahead and do at this point. Log files are stored at %windir%\Cluster\Reports. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: phil levine [mailto:plevin...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:34 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: exchange 2007 cluster failover issue This also: Log Name: Application Source:MSExchange Cluster Date: 9/1/2010 2:10:29 AM Event ID: 1030 Task Category: ExRes Level: Warning Keywords: Classic User: N/A Computer: MAIL02. Description: Clustered Mailbox Server: MailCluster Physical Server: MAIL02 Exchange System Attendant Instance (MailCluster): Terminate process called for MSExchangeSA (ProcessId 11796). Event Xml: Event xmlns=http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event; System Provider Name=MSExchange Cluster / EventID Qualifiers=327741030/EventID Level3/Level Task6/Task Keywords0x80/Keywords TimeCreated SystemTime=2010-09-01T06:10:29.000Z / EventRecordID153863/EventRecordID ChannelApplication/Channel Computer/Computer Security / /System EventData DataMailCluster/Data DataMAIL02/Data DataExchange System Attendant Instance (MailCluster)/Data DataMSExchangeSA/Data Data11796/Data Binary/Binary /EventData /Event --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote: From: Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com Subject: RE: exchange 2007 cluster failover issue To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 9:21 AM Yep, include the entire event log error and message. Minimally the event source as well as the event id. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: phil levine [mailto:plevin...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:53 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: exchange 2007 cluster failover issue i'm working with a customer that is having an issue where their CCR cluster is failing over between 2 and 3 the last 3 mornings. the failure starts with several 1012 event ID. there is no backup going on at this time, there are no network connectivity errors, this just seems to pop up. the cluster has an 1135 error followed by 1564 where the file share witness fails to arbitrate and then an 1177 comes up saying the quorum is lost. Any ideas? Thanks as usual Phil --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.comhttp://us.mc365.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.comhttp://us.mc365.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster with Forefront
Did you install the forefront in the default location on the system disk? Did you recently update forefront? From: Valerie Jergens [mailto:valerie_jerg...@live.com] Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 4:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2007 Cluster with Forefront My virus engines are not updating in the Exchange 2007 mailbox cluster. However, they update just fine on the Hub and Edge Transport Servers. When I check EventViewer on the mailbox cluster, I see Scan Engine: Kaspersky5 Error Code: 0x80090005 Description: The product license has expired. However, if I check Help - About Forefront, I see Component License Type Expiration Date Forefront Subscription Thursday, February 14, 2013 Is it 2013 already and I don't know it? Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/
RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster with Forefront
See if this fixes it: This is normally caused by one of two issues. Either the license file is corrupted, in which case you can try to copy the license.cfg file from your source CD and restart the services or it can be caused by a corruption in either the proxy server password credentials or UNC path password credentials within the registry. To address this:- 1) Open Regedit on the Server and navigate to - HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Forefront Server Security\ForefrontCredentials. 2) Within this key you should see 2 values, ProxyPassword and UNCPassword. Please delete any data that is contained within the 2 values. 3) Open the Forefront Administrator MMC and place some information in all of the fields within the Proxy Server Name/IP Address, Proxy Username, Proxy Password, UNC Username, and UNC Password fields. Click Save. 4) Next, delete all the information that you previously placed within these fields, click save and, if appropriate, reconfigure the settings as they were previous to our procedure. From: Senter, John Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:48 AM To: 'MS-Exchange Admin Issues' Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster with Forefront Did you install the forefront in the default location on the system disk? Did you recently update forefront? From: Valerie Jergens [mailto:valerie_jerg...@live.com] Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 4:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2007 Cluster with Forefront My virus engines are not updating in the Exchange 2007 mailbox cluster. However, they update just fine on the Hub and Edge Transport Servers. When I check EventViewer on the mailbox cluster, I see Scan Engine: Kaspersky5 Error Code: 0x80090005 Description: The product license has expired. However, if I check Help - About Forefront, I see Component License Type Expiration Date Forefront Subscription Thursday, February 14, 2013 Is it 2013 already and I don't know it? Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/
RE: Exchange 2007 cluster
Are you saying that you've inherited a 2 node A/P cluster with both Exchange (200x?) and SQL (200x?), and one node is 2003 x64 while the other is 2008 x86? Please, please tell me I read this wrong. Even if they're both 64 bit, let me guess. One Cluster group, right? From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:li...@levelfive.us] Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:52 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2007 cluster I recently took over a network that's running an exchange and sql cluster. One of the boxes is 2003x64 and the other is 2008. The cluster seems to be working just fine. However, we have a 3rd server running BES 4.1 and the exchange mgmt. tools. Apparently the backup was using this server to get exchange backups. The problem is it hasn't run correctly in over a month. When I run the backup I can see both storage groups and all the databases are selected, however the backup ends successfully at about 55gb. The store is about 1.1 TB. I'm thinking of dropping the BEX11 mgmt agent on each cluster server to get a more precise backup. Just not sure what would be causing it to fall so short. Thanks
RE: Exchange 2007 cluster
I haven't looked at it too much so far, Im just getting into it. I believe when the help desk tech (not the IT member) was flipping through the servers he said here is node1 and it was 2003x64 and then he got to node2 and it was a 2008x64. Im working my way from top down and backups was one of their big issues so it was near the top of my task list. From: Richard Stovall [mailto:richard.stov...@researchdata.com] Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:51 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 cluster Are you saying that you've inherited a 2 node A/P cluster with both Exchange (200x?) and SQL (200x?), and one node is 2003 x64 while the other is 2008 x86? Please, please tell me I read this wrong. Even if they're both 64 bit, let me guess. One Cluster group, right? From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:li...@levelfive.us] Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:52 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2007 cluster I recently took over a network that's running an exchange and sql cluster. One of the boxes is 2003x64 and the other is 2008. The cluster seems to be working just fine. However, we have a 3rd server running BES 4.1 and the exchange mgmt. tools. Apparently the backup was using this server to get exchange backups. The problem is it hasn't run correctly in over a month. When I run the backup I can see both storage groups and all the databases are selected, however the backup ends successfully at about 55gb. The store is about 1.1 TB. I'm thinking of dropping the BEX11 mgmt agent on each cluster server to get a more precise backup. Just not sure what would be causing it to fall so short. Thanks
RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster
Hi Jason You need at least one extra server as no other roles can exist on either node of an exchange CCR cluster. If you are going to go to effort and expense of clustering the mailboxes I would strongly recommend you run the Client Access Server and Hub Transport Server roles on a NLBS Cluster. What's the point of clustering the mailbox server if you have no redundancy on the Hub Transport and CAS roles? In this scenario if the Hub transport role is on a single server and the server dies no e-mail will be delivered even between mailboxes on the mailbox server since all e-mail has to be handled by the Hub Transport role. As someone has already mentioned you need a third server to host the quorum file share but this doesn't need to be a dedicated server. You will need IIRC Enterprise Edition of the OS and Enterprise Edition of Exchange for each node of the cluster. The servers that hold the CAS and HTS roles won't need to be Enterprise Edition. From: Jason Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 June 2008 20:32 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2007 Cluster I have a customer interested in migrating their Windows 2003/Exchange 2003 FE/BE environment into a W2K8/E2K7 Cluster (for the mailboxes only). As this is not my usual area of expertise, I would appreciate any advice you have to offer. My thoughts are that we need two new servers to make up the CCR cluster and the E2K7 MBOX servers. From what I can tell, CCR is not a Windows cluster, but an Exchange thing, so I don't need to worry about quorums and the like. The existing FE would be upgraded to an E2K7 CAS. I guess my question is, what happens to the other roles? There are only 500 users or so and things run really well on two servers now. They aren't really interested in an Edge server, but obviously the Hub Transport role (and maybe an internal CAS) needs to go somewhere. They can run on the CCR, right? Thanks for your help! Jason Tierney, MCITP Vice President, Consulting Services Corporate Network Services Count on Us 20010 Fisher Ave, Suite E Poolesville, MD 20837 direct: 240-425-4441 | main: 301.948.8077 | fax: 301.349.2518 http://www.cornetser.com Best Place to Work, Alliance for Workplace Excellence - 2006, 2007, 2008 ...ask me how to better manage your IT costs with Disclaimer: The Development Bank of Southern Africa exercises no control over information contained in any e-mail message originating from within the organisation. The Bank makes no representation relating to the completeness or accuracy and accepts no responsibility for any loss, damage or liability that is incurred by reliance on the content hereof by the recipient or any other party. Each page attached hereto must also be read in conjunction with any disclaimer, which forms part of it. Confidentiality: The e-mail is privileged and confidential and for use of the addressee only. Should you have received this e-mail in error, please return it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dissemination, disclosure, copying or any similar actions of the content of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~image001.jpg
RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster
Until servers come with redundant motherboards, CPU and Memory a server can have raid234 and 5 power supplies and could still fail if a memory stick gets flaky. Ehren J. Benson, MCSE Windows Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] 517-884-5469 -Original Message- From: Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 1:38 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster Why run a cluster? A cluster does nothing to mitigate a site level disaster, and you still have the problem of database corruption to deal with. Build your installation with fault tolerant hardware and you should have little to zero downtime. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag.. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people. Teddy Roosevelt; 1907 -Original Message- From: Jason Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 11:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2007 Cluster I have a customer interested in migrating their Windows 2003/Exchange 2003 FE/BE environment into a W2K8/E2K7 Cluster (for the mailboxes only). As this is not my usual area of expertise, I would appreciate any advice you have to offer. My thoughts are that we need two new servers to make up the CCR cluster and the E2K7 MBOX servers. From what I can tell, CCR is not a Windows cluster, but an Exchange thing, so I don't need to worry about quorums and the like. The existing FE would be upgraded to an E2K7 CAS. I guess my question is, what happens to the other roles? There are only 500 users or so and things run really well on two servers now. They aren't really interested in an Edge server, but obviously the Hub Transport role (and maybe an internal CAS) needs to go somewhere. They can run on the CCR, right? Thanks for your help! Jason Tierney, MCITP Vice President, Consulting Services Corporate Network Services Count on Us 20010 Fisher Ave, Suite E Poolesville, MD 20837 direct: 240-425-4441 | main: 301.948.8077 | fax: 301.349.2518 http://www.cornetser.com http://www.cornetser.com Best Place to Work, Alliance for Workplace Excellence - 2006, 2007, 2008 ...ask me how to better manage your IT costs with cid:image001.jpg@01C7A23F.5BB079C0 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster
-Original Message- From: Ehren Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster Until servers come with redundant motherboards, CPU and Memory a server can have raid234 and 5 power supplies and could still fail if a memory stick gets flaky. Most high quality servers come with the option of redundant RAM. Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster
So, the best solution now seems to be: Server1 - CCR Cluster Node 1 Server 2 - CCR Cluster Node 2 Server 3 - NLB Hub/CAS Node 1 Server 4 - NLB Hub/CAS Node 2 Server 5 - Witness (this seems to be a single point of failure) So, all that remains is how to secure OWA (without ISA). Right now, there is a FE server in a screened subnet. Do I need another NLB cluster in a DMZ? Arrgh. Should I just get Doubletake? Jason Tierney, MCITP Vice President, Consulting Services Corporate Network Services Count on Us direct: 240-425-4441 From: Peter Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:20 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster Hi Jason You need at least one extra server as no other roles can exist on either node of an exchange CCR cluster. If you are going to go to effort and expense of clustering the mailboxes I would strongly recommend you run the Client Access Server and Hub Transport Server roles on a NLBS Cluster. What's the point of clustering the mailbox server if you have no redundancy on the Hub Transport and CAS roles? In this scenario if the Hub transport role is on a single server and the server dies no e-mail will be delivered even between mailboxes on the mailbox server since all e-mail has to be handled by the Hub Transport role. As someone has already mentioned you need a third server to host the quorum file share but this doesn't need to be a dedicated server. You will need IIRC Enterprise Edition of the OS and Enterprise Edition of Exchange for each node of the cluster. The servers that hold the CAS and HTS roles won't need to be Enterprise Edition. From: Jason Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 June 2008 20:32 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2007 Cluster I have a customer interested in migrating their Windows 2003/Exchange 2003 FE/BE environment into a W2K8/E2K7 Cluster (for the mailboxes only). As this is not my usual area of expertise, I would appreciate any advice you have to offer. My thoughts are that we need two new servers to make up the CCR cluster and the E2K7 MBOX servers. From what I can tell, CCR is not a Windows cluster, but an Exchange thing, so I don't need to worry about quorums and the like. The existing FE would be upgraded to an E2K7 CAS. I guess my question is, what happens to the other roles? There are only 500 users or so and things run really well on two servers now. They aren't really interested in an Edge server, but obviously the Hub Transport role (and maybe an internal CAS) needs to go somewhere. They can run on the CCR, right? Thanks for your help! Jason Tierney, MCITP Vice President, Consulting Services Corporate Network Services Count on Us 20010 Fisher Ave, Suite E Poolesville, MD 20837 direct: 240-425-4441 | main: 301.948.8077 | fax: 301.349.2518 http://www.cornetser.com Best Place to Work, Alliance for Workplace Excellence - 2006, 2007, 2008 ...ask me how to better manage your IT costs with [cid:image001.jpg@01C8D060.1F19EE10] Disclaimer: The Development Bank of Southern Africa exercises no control over information contained in any e-mail message originating from within the organisation. The Bank makes no representation relating to the completeness or accuracy and accepts no responsibility for any loss, damage or liability that is incurred by reliance on the content hereof by the recipient or any other party. Each page attached hereto must also be read in conjunction with any disclaimer, which forms part of it. Confidentiality: The e-mail is privileged and confidential and for use of the addressee only. Should you have received this e-mail in error, please return it to [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. Dissemination, disclosure, copying or any similar actions of the content of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~inline: image001.jpg
RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster
From: Jason Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster So, the best solution now seems to be: Server1 - CCR Cluster Node 1 Server 2 - CCR Cluster Node 2 Server 3 - NLB Hub/CAS Node 1 Server 4 - NLB Hub/CAS Node 2 Server 5 - Witness (this seems to be a single point of failure) Microsoft recommends the File Share Witness be on the HT server. http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2008/04/03/448615.aspx Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster
And the best come with hot-swap RAM and hot-swap processors. Datacenter server speaks both. I think Enterprise only speaks hot-swap RAM. Standard speaks neither. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:EM/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:09 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster -Original Message- From: Ehren Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster Until servers come with redundant motherboards, CPU and Memory a server can have raid234 and 5 power supplies and could still fail if a memory stick gets flaky. Most high quality servers come with the option of redundant RAM. Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster
OK, here's my latest thought. I just can't stand the idea of six servers for 500 users. Seems a bit too many. Setup a failover cluster with Exchange 2007 running in a hyper-v VM. This way all of the roles can run on a single (heck even multiple) VM and failover as needed. Thoughts? things I should be worried about? You know, besides Hyper-v not even being released yet :) Jason Tierney, MCITP Vice President, Consulting Services Corporate Network Services Count on Us direct: 240-425-4441 -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster And the best come with hot-swap RAM and hot-swap processors. Datacenter server speaks both. I think Enterprise only speaks hot-swap RAM. Standard speaks neither. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:EM/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:09 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster -Original Message- From: Ehren Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster Until servers come with redundant motherboards, CPU and Memory a server can have raid234 and 5 power supplies and could still fail if a memory stick gets flaky. Most high quality servers come with the option of redundant RAM. Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster
Sorry, I wasn't paying attention to the entire thread. Huh? What is the goal? Four servers gives you completely redundant, with clustering. (CAS/HT times 2, MB times 2) You can get completely redundant with manual failover with two (CAS/HT/MB with LCR). Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:EM/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Jason Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 1:23 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster OK, here's my latest thought. I just can't stand the idea of six servers for 500 users. Seems a bit too many. Setup a failover cluster with Exchange 2007 running in a hyper-v VM. This way all of the roles can run on a single (heck even multiple) VM and failover as needed. Thoughts? things I should be worried about? You know, besides Hyper-v not even being released yet :) Jason Tierney, MCITP Vice President, Consulting Services Corporate Network Services Count on Us direct: 240-425-4441 -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster And the best come with hot-swap RAM and hot-swap processors. Datacenter server speaks both. I think Enterprise only speaks hot-swap RAM. Standard speaks neither. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:EM/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:09 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster -Original Message- From: Ehren Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster Until servers come with redundant motherboards, CPU and Memory a server can have raid234 and 5 power supplies and could still fail if a memory stick gets flaky. Most high quality servers come with the option of redundant RAM. Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster
Ha, manual does not enter the vocabulary. How about this scenario: 2 servers in a failover cluster running a single VM with Hub Transport and Mailboxes on private LAN. 2 servers in a failover cluster running a single VM with CAS in a DMZ. I think I am getting muddled translating FE/BE to the new E2K7 roles. Where will clients go to authenticate? The DMZ? Jason Tierney, MCITP Vice President, Consulting Services Corporate Network Services Count on Us direct: 240-425-4441 -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 1:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster Sorry, I wasn't paying attention to the entire thread. Huh? What is the goal? Four servers gives you completely redundant, with clustering. (CAS/HT times 2, MB times 2) You can get completely redundant with manual failover with two (CAS/HT/MB with LCR). Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:EM/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Jason Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 1:23 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster OK, here's my latest thought. I just can't stand the idea of six servers for 500 users. Seems a bit too many. Setup a failover cluster with Exchange 2007 running in a hyper-v VM. This way all of the roles can run on a single (heck even multiple) VM and failover as needed. Thoughts? things I should be worried about? You know, besides Hyper-v not even being released yet :) Jason Tierney, MCITP Vice President, Consulting Services Corporate Network Services Count on Us direct: 240-425-4441 -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster And the best come with hot-swap RAM and hot-swap processors. Datacenter server speaks both. I think Enterprise only speaks hot-swap RAM. Standard speaks neither. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:EM/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:09 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster -Original Message- From: Ehren Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster Until servers come with redundant motherboards, CPU and Memory a server can have raid234 and 5 power supplies and could still fail if a memory stick gets flaky. Most high quality servers come with the option of redundant RAM. Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster
No. The ONLY role supported in a failover-cluster in Exchange 2007 is mailbox. HT load-balancing is done automatically. CAS load-balancing is handled by NLBS. You can consider CAS+HT to be FE (more or less) and MB to be BE (more or less). Clients authenticate via the CAS. CAS should not be in DMZ. You either publish it with ISA (or similar), or punch 443 through the firewall. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:EM/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Jason Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:18 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster Ha, manual does not enter the vocabulary. How about this scenario: 2 servers in a failover cluster running a single VM with Hub Transport and Mailboxes on private LAN. 2 servers in a failover cluster running a single VM with CAS in a DMZ. I think I am getting muddled translating FE/BE to the new E2K7 roles. Where will clients go to authenticate? The DMZ? Jason Tierney, MCITP Vice President, Consulting Services Corporate Network Services Count on Us direct: 240-425-4441 -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 1:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster Sorry, I wasn't paying attention to the entire thread. Huh? What is the goal? Four servers gives you completely redundant, with clustering. (CAS/HT times 2, MB times 2) You can get completely redundant with manual failover with two (CAS/HT/MB with LCR). Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:EM/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Jason Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 1:23 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster OK, here's my latest thought. I just can't stand the idea of six servers for 500 users. Seems a bit too many. Setup a failover cluster with Exchange 2007 running in a hyper-v VM. This way all of the roles can run on a single (heck even multiple) VM and failover as needed. Thoughts? things I should be worried about? You know, besides Hyper-v not even being released yet :) Jason Tierney, MCITP Vice President, Consulting Services Corporate Network Services Count on Us direct: 240-425-4441 -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster And the best come with hot-swap RAM and hot-swap processors. Datacenter server speaks both. I think Enterprise only speaks hot-swap RAM. Standard speaks neither. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:EM/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:09 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster -Original Message- From: Ehren Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster Until servers come with redundant motherboards, CPU and Memory a server can have raid234 and 5 power supplies and could still fail if a memory stick gets flaky. Most high quality servers come with the option of redundant RAM. Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster
SO even if I run my Exchange servers in a VM through HyperV, I can't fail over that entire VM? Jason Tierney, MCITP Vice President, Consulting Services Corporate Network Services Count on Us direct: 240-425-4441 -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:42 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster No. The ONLY role supported in a failover-cluster in Exchange 2007 is mailbox. HT load-balancing is done automatically. CAS load-balancing is handled by NLBS. You can consider CAS+HT to be FE (more or less) and MB to be BE (more or less). Clients authenticate via the CAS. CAS should not be in DMZ. You either publish it with ISA (or similar), or punch 443 through the firewall. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:EM/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Jason Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:18 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster Ha, manual does not enter the vocabulary. How about this scenario: 2 servers in a failover cluster running a single VM with Hub Transport and Mailboxes on private LAN. 2 servers in a failover cluster running a single VM with CAS in a DMZ. I think I am getting muddled translating FE/BE to the new E2K7 roles. Where will clients go to authenticate? The DMZ? Jason Tierney, MCITP Vice President, Consulting Services Corporate Network Services Count on Us direct: 240-425-4441 -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 1:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster Sorry, I wasn't paying attention to the entire thread. Huh? What is the goal? Four servers gives you completely redundant, with clustering. (CAS/HT times 2, MB times 2) You can get completely redundant with manual failover with two (CAS/HT/MB with LCR). Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:EM/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Jason Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 1:23 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster OK, here's my latest thought. I just can't stand the idea of six servers for 500 users. Seems a bit too many. Setup a failover cluster with Exchange 2007 running in a hyper-v VM. This way all of the roles can run on a single (heck even multiple) VM and failover as needed. Thoughts? things I should be worried about? You know, besides Hyper-v not even being released yet :) Jason Tierney, MCITP Vice President, Consulting Services Corporate Network Services Count on Us direct: 240-425-4441 -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster And the best come with hot-swap RAM and hot-swap processors. Datacenter server speaks both. I think Enterprise only speaks hot-swap RAM. Standard speaks neither. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:EM/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:09 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster -Original Message- From: Ehren Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster Until servers come with redundant motherboards, CPU and Memory a server can have raid234 and 5 power supplies and could still fail if a memory stick gets flaky. Most high quality servers come with the option of redundant RAM. Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster
You've completely lost me. Use smaller words. I've had a long day. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:EM/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Jason Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 4:48 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster SO even if I run my Exchange servers in a VM through HyperV, I can't fail over that entire VM? Jason Tierney, MCITP Vice President, Consulting Services Corporate Network Services Count on Us direct: 240-425-4441 -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:42 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster No. The ONLY role supported in a failover-cluster in Exchange 2007 is mailbox. HT load-balancing is done automatically. CAS load-balancing is handled by NLBS. You can consider CAS+HT to be FE (more or less) and MB to be BE (more or less). Clients authenticate via the CAS. CAS should not be in DMZ. You either publish it with ISA (or similar), or punch 443 through the firewall. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:EM/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Jason Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:18 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster Ha, manual does not enter the vocabulary. How about this scenario: 2 servers in a failover cluster running a single VM with Hub Transport and Mailboxes on private LAN. 2 servers in a failover cluster running a single VM with CAS in a DMZ. I think I am getting muddled translating FE/BE to the new E2K7 roles. Where will clients go to authenticate? The DMZ? Jason Tierney, MCITP Vice President, Consulting Services Corporate Network Services Count on Us direct: 240-425-4441 -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 1:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster Sorry, I wasn't paying attention to the entire thread. Huh? What is the goal? Four servers gives you completely redundant, with clustering. (CAS/HT times 2, MB times 2) You can get completely redundant with manual failover with two (CAS/HT/MB with LCR). Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:EM/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Jason Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 1:23 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster OK, here's my latest thought. I just can't stand the idea of six servers for 500 users. Seems a bit too many. Setup a failover cluster with Exchange 2007 running in a hyper-v VM. This way all of the roles can run on a single (heck even multiple) VM and failover as needed. Thoughts? things I should be worried about? You know, besides Hyper-v not even being released yet :) Jason Tierney, MCITP Vice President, Consulting Services Corporate Network Services Count on Us direct: 240-425-4441 -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster And the best come with hot-swap RAM and hot-swap processors. Datacenter server speaks both. I think Enterprise only speaks hot-swap RAM. Standard speaks neither. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:EM/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:09 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster -Original Message- From: Ehren Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster Until servers come with redundant motherboards, CPU and Memory a server can have raid234 and 5 power supplies and could still fail if a memory stick gets flaky. Most high quality servers come with the option of redundant RAM. Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security
RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster
You're going to need a HUB Role in there too, you can run the CAS and HUB roles on the same box. You still need Windows Clustering Services for a CCR cluster. Here's some highlevel reading: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb124521.aspx From: Jason Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2007 Cluster I have a customer interested in migrating their Windows 2003/Exchange 2003 FE/BE environment into a W2K8/E2K7 Cluster (for the mailboxes only). As this is not my usual area of expertise, I would appreciate any advice you have to offer. My thoughts are that we need two new servers to make up the CCR cluster and the E2K7 MBOX servers. From what I can tell, CCR is not a Windows cluster, but an Exchange thing, so I don't need to worry about quorums and the like. The existing FE would be upgraded to an E2K7 CAS. I guess my question is, what happens to the other roles? There are only 500 users or so and things run really well on two servers now. They aren't really interested in an Edge server, but obviously the Hub Transport role (and maybe an internal CAS) needs to go somewhere. They can run on the CCR, right? Thanks for your help! Jason Tierney, MCITP Vice President, Consulting Services Corporate Network Services Count on Us 20010 Fisher Ave, Suite E Poolesville, MD 20837 direct: 240-425-4441 | main: 301.948.8077 | fax: 301.349.2518 http://www.cornetser.com Best Place to Work, Alliance for Workplace Excellence - 2006, 2007, 2008 ...ask me how to better manage your IT costs with ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~image001.jpg
RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster
Just implemented my first (very painful) Ex 07 CCR system. You will need at least 3 servers: 1 for the CAS/HT/File Share Witness, 2 for the Windows Cluster/Exchange Cluster Henrik Walther has an excellent set of articles on this (but they need to be updated for SP1): http://www.msexchange.org/tutorials/Installing-Configuring-Testing-Exchange- 2007-Cluster-Continuous-Replication-Based-Mailbox-Server-Part1.html http://www.msexchange.org/tutorials/Installing-Configuring-Testing-Exchange- 2007-Cluster-Continuous-Replication-Based-Mailbox-Server-Part2.html http://www.msexchange.org/tutorials/Installing-Configuring-Testing-Exchange- 2007-Cluster-Continuous-Replication-Based-Mailbox-Server-Part3.html These are the articles I used to assist in setting up the cluster I just completed. Once all the issues were resolved with the misconfiguration of the Blades and SAN, setting up the cluster and CCR was fairly easy. Webster From: Jason Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Exchange 2007 Cluster I have a customer interested in migrating their Windows 2003/Exchange 2003 FE/BE environment into a W2K8/E2K7 Cluster (for the mailboxes only). As this is not my usual area of expertise, I would appreciate any advice you have to offer. My thoughts are that we need two new servers to make up the CCR cluster and the E2K7 MBOX servers. From what I can tell, CCR is not a Windows cluster, but an Exchange thing, so I don't need to worry about quorums and the like. The existing FE would be upgraded to an E2K7 CAS. I guess my question is, what happens to the other roles? There are only 500 users or so and things run really well on two servers now. They aren't really interested in an Edge server, but obviously the Hub Transport role (and maybe an internal CAS) needs to go somewhere. They can run on the CCR, right? Thanks for your help! ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster
What were the misconfigurations you ran into? Ehren J. Benson, MCSE Windows Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 517-884-5469 From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 2:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster Just implemented my first (very painful) Ex 07 CCR system. You will need at least 3 servers: 1 for the CAS/HT/File Share Witness, 2 for the Windows Cluster/Exchange Cluster Henrik Walther has an excellent set of articles on this (but they need to be updated for SP1): http://www.msexchange.org/tutorials/Installing-Configuring-Testing-Exchange-2007-Cluster-Continuous-Replication-Based-Mailbox-Server-Part1.html http://www.msexchange.org/tutorials/Installing-Configuring-Testing-Exchange-2007-Cluster-Continuous-Replication-Based-Mailbox-Server-Part2.html http://www.msexchange.org/tutorials/Installing-Configuring-Testing-Exchange-2007-Cluster-Continuous-Replication-Based-Mailbox-Server-Part3.html These are the articles I used to assist in setting up the cluster I just completed. Once all the issues were resolved with the misconfiguration of the Blades and SAN, setting up the cluster and CCR was fairly easy. Webster From: Jason Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Exchange 2007 Cluster I have a customer interested in migrating their Windows 2003/Exchange 2003 FE/BE environment into a W2K8/E2K7 Cluster (for the mailboxes only). As this is not my usual area of expertise, I would appreciate any advice you have to offer. My thoughts are that we need two new servers to make up the CCR cluster and the E2K7 MBOX servers. From what I can tell, CCR is not a Windows cluster, but an Exchange thing, so I don't need to worry about quorums and the like. The existing FE would be upgraded to an E2K7 CAS. I guess my question is, what happens to the other roles? There are only 500 users or so and things run really well on two servers now. They aren't really interested in an Edge server, but obviously the Hub Transport role (and maybe an internal CAS) needs to go somewhere. They can run on the CCR, right? Thanks for your help! ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster
Oh Carl did a great job. He just expected everyone else to be as thorough and complete as HE is. J Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:EM/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Ehren Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 4:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster What were the misconfigurations you ran into? Ehren J. Benson, MCSE Windows Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] 517-884-5469 From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 2:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster Just implemented my first (very painful) Ex 07 CCR system. You will need at least 3 servers: 1 for the CAS/HT/File Share Witness, 2 for the Windows Cluster/Exchange Cluster Henrik Walther has an excellent set of articles on this (but they need to be updated for SP1): http://www.msexchange.org/tutorials/Installing-Configuring-Testing-Exchange- 2007-Cluster-Continuous-Replication-Based-Mailbox-Server-Part1.html http://www.msexchange.org/tutorials/Installing-Configuring-Testing-Exchange- 2007-Cluster-Continuous-Replication-Based-Mailbox-Server-Part2.html http://www.msexchange.org/tutorials/Installing-Configuring-Testing-Exchange- 2007-Cluster-Continuous-Replication-Based-Mailbox-Server-Part3.html These are the articles I used to assist in setting up the cluster I just completed. Once all the issues were resolved with the misconfiguration of the Blades and SAN, setting up the cluster and CCR was fairly easy. Webster From: Jason Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Exchange 2007 Cluster I have a customer interested in migrating their Windows 2003/Exchange 2003 FE/BE environment into a W2K8/E2K7 Cluster (for the mailboxes only). As this is not my usual area of expertise, I would appreciate any advice you have to offer. My thoughts are that we need two new servers to make up the CCR cluster and the E2K7 MBOX servers. From what I can tell, CCR is not a Windows cluster, but an Exchange thing, so I don't need to worry about quorums and the like. The existing FE would be upgraded to an E2K7 CAS. I guess my question is, what happens to the other roles? There are only 500 users or so and things run really well on two servers now. They aren't really interested in an Edge server, but obviously the Hub Transport role (and maybe an internal CAS) needs to go somewhere. They can run on the CCR, right? Thanks for your help! ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster
From: Ehren Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster What were the misconfigurations you ran into? 1. Whoever installed the OS and updates did something wrong as Exchange 2007 refused to install on any of the blades. The blades had to be completely rebuilt. After that, there were no issues with installed Ex 07. 2. Whoever installed the software on the blades to allow the blades to connect with the SAN did something wrong. The blades refused to see the SAN/LUNs or anything else. After #1 and reinstalling the SAN software on just the blades to be used for the CCR cluster, all SAN access was fine. 3. For some reason, setting up the first node in the Windows cluster didn't go very well. Even though the Majority Node Set was selected during the setup, a second node could not be added. When checking the configuration of the cluster it was set to Single Node with no option to change it to anything else. #1 fixed that issue. 4. Whoever setup the blade knew which two blades were going to be used for the cluster but failed to setup a private VLAN for the heartbeat NICs. So, every 10 minutes, the nodes would stop seeing each other and the cluster would failover. If it weren't file the File Share Witness, I am sure the nodes would have been failing continuously. A new hardcore blade engineer was sent out and he resolved that issue in short time. 5. Whoever was in charge of handing out internal and external IPs and making changes to their external DNS is an absolute PITA. He yelled at me for asking for a copy of their zone file. And yelled at me again for not planning the DNS changes ahead of time even though it wasn't me who was in charge of the fiasco, err I mean project. 6. The rest I will not mention in a public forum but without the help of Michael B. Smith I would have quit my job that week. Matter of fact, I almost did the last day I was there for the pilot phase. 7. Why did I almost quit? Never had worked with blades, nor an Enterprise class SAN, nor a Windows cluster, not an Exchange cluster, nor CCR and never a full transition from Ex 03 to Ex 07 on a scale this large before with no help (besides MBS that is). Oh, did I mention I got chewed out for using MBS? As you can probably tell, I am still just a little upset over the whole fiasco. And yes, I did tell everyone in project mgmt that I had ZERO experience with anything on this project. OK, I'll shut up now. Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster
WOW... Thanks for the insight into your organization. *suddenly less miffed at management* -troy From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 2:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster From: Ehren Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster What were the misconfigurations you ran into? 1. Whoever installed the OS and updates did something wrong as Exchange 2007 refused to install on any of the blades. The blades had to be completely rebuilt. After that, there were no issues with installed Ex 07. 2. Whoever installed the software on the blades to allow the blades to connect with the SAN did something wrong. The blades refused to see the SAN/LUNs or anything else. After #1 and reinstalling the SAN software on just the blades to be used for the CCR cluster, all SAN access was fine. 3. For some reason, setting up the first node in the Windows cluster didn't go very well. Even though the Majority Node Set was selected during the setup, a second node could not be added. When checking the configuration of the cluster it was set to Single Node with no option to change it to anything else. #1 fixed that issue. 4. Whoever setup the blade knew which two blades were going to be used for the cluster but failed to setup a private VLAN for the heartbeat NICs. So, every 10 minutes, the nodes would stop seeing each other and the cluster would failover. If it weren't file the File Share Witness, I am sure the nodes would have been failing continuously. A new hardcore blade engineer was sent out and he resolved that issue in short time. 5. Whoever was in charge of handing out internal and external IPs and making changes to their external DNS is an absolute PITA. He yelled at me for asking for a copy of their zone file. And yelled at me again for not planning the DNS changes ahead of time even though it wasn't me who was in charge of the fiasco, err I mean project. 6. The rest I will not mention in a public forum but without the help of Michael B. Smith I would have quit my job that week. Matter of fact, I almost did the last day I was there for the pilot phase. 7. Why did I almost quit? Never had worked with blades, nor an Enterprise class SAN, nor a Windows cluster, not an Exchange cluster, nor CCR and never a full transition from Ex 03 to Ex 07 on a scale this large before with no help (besides MBS that is). Oh, did I mention I got chewed out for using MBS? As you can probably tell, I am still just a little upset over the whole fiasco. And yes, I did tell everyone in project mgmt that I had ZERO experience with anything on this project. OK, I'll shut up now. Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster
OK, three servers it is. But, what about fault tolerance on the CAS/HT servers. Can the servers in the cluster be configured to run these roles as well, or an I looking at a fourth server? Jason Tierney, MCITP Vice President, Consulting Services Corporate Network Services Count on Us direct: 240-425-4441 From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 2:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster Just implemented my first (very painful) Ex 07 CCR system. You will need at least 3 servers: 1 for the CAS/HT/File Share Witness, 2 for the Windows Cluster/Exchange Cluster Henrik Walther has an excellent set of articles on this (but they need to be updated for SP1): http://www.msexchange.org/tutorials/Installing-Configuring-Testing-Exchange-2007-Cluster-Continuous-Replication-Based-Mailbox-Server-Part1.html http://www.msexchange.org/tutorials/Installing-Configuring-Testing-Exchange-2007-Cluster-Continuous-Replication-Based-Mailbox-Server-Part2.html http://www.msexchange.org/tutorials/Installing-Configuring-Testing-Exchange-2007-Cluster-Continuous-Replication-Based-Mailbox-Server-Part3.html These are the articles I used to assist in setting up the cluster I just completed. Once all the issues were resolved with the misconfiguration of the Blades and SAN, setting up the cluster and CCR was fairly easy. Webster From: Jason Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Exchange 2007 Cluster I have a customer interested in migrating their Windows 2003/Exchange 2003 FE/BE environment into a W2K8/E2K7 Cluster (for the mailboxes only). As this is not my usual area of expertise, I would appreciate any advice you have to offer. My thoughts are that we need two new servers to make up the CCR cluster and the E2K7 MBOX servers. From what I can tell, CCR is not a Windows cluster, but an Exchange thing, so I don't need to worry about quorums and the like. The existing FE would be upgraded to an E2K7 CAS. I guess my question is, what happens to the other roles? There are only 500 users or so and things run really well on two servers now. They aren't really interested in an Edge server, but obviously the Hub Transport role (and maybe an internal CAS) needs to go somewhere. They can run on the CCR, right? Thanks for your help! ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster
Clustered mailbox servers in Exchange 2007 can hold no other roles. Henrik Walther also has articles on load balancing the HT role: http://www.msexchange.org/articles_tutorials/exchange-server-2007/planning-a rchitecture/load-balancing-exchange-2007-sp1-hub-transport-servers-windows-n etwork-load-balancing-technology-part1.html http://www.msexchange.org/articles_tutorials/exchange-server-2007/planning-a rchitecture/load-balancing-exchange-2007-sp1-hub-transport-servers-windows-n etwork-load-balancing-technology-part2.html Webster From: Jason Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 4:30 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster OK, three servers it is. But, what about fault tolerance on the CAS/HT servers. Can the servers in the cluster be configured to run these roles as well, or an I looking at a fourth server? Jason Tierney, MCITP Vice President, Consulting Services Corporate Network Services Count on Us direct: 240-425-4441 From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 2:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster Just implemented my first (very painful) Ex 07 CCR system. You will need at least 3 servers: 1 for the CAS/HT/File Share Witness, 2 for the Windows Cluster/Exchange Cluster Henrik Walther has an excellent set of articles on this (but they need to be updated for SP1): http://www.msexchange.org/tutorials/Installing-Configuring-Testing-Exchange- 2007-Cluster-Continuous-Replication-Based-Mailbox-Server-Part1.html http://www.msexchange.org/tutorials/Installing-Configuring-Testing-Exchange- 2007-Cluster-Continuous-Replication-Based-Mailbox-Server-Part2.html http://www.msexchange.org/tutorials/Installing-Configuring-Testing-Exchange- 2007-Cluster-Continuous-Replication-Based-Mailbox-Server-Part3.html These are the articles I used to assist in setting up the cluster I just completed. Once all the issues were resolved with the misconfiguration of the Blades and SAN, setting up the cluster and CCR was fairly easy. Webster From: Jason Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Exchange 2007 Cluster I have a customer interested in migrating their Windows 2003/Exchange 2003 FE/BE environment into a W2K8/E2K7 Cluster (for the mailboxes only). As this is not my usual area of expertise, I would appreciate any advice you have to offer. My thoughts are that we need two new servers to make up the CCR cluster and the E2K7 MBOX servers. From what I can tell, CCR is not a Windows cluster, but an Exchange thing, so I don't need to worry about quorums and the like. The existing FE would be upgraded to an E2K7 CAS. I guess my question is, what happens to the other roles? There are only 500 users or so and things run really well on two servers now. They aren't really interested in an Edge server, but obviously the Hub Transport role (and maybe an internal CAS) needs to go somewhere. They can run on the CCR, right? Thanks for your help! ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster
We wanted to do the blade, SAN and OS installs but the customer wanted to save money. It cost them more for me to wipe everything out and redo. The customer also went cheapo on their SAN cert and it cost them 10 hours of billable time to convince them it was a certificate issue causing Outlook Anywhere to not work. I had already generated the SAN cert request from the CAS/HT server but the customer didn't want to use it. Went with a cert provider that essentially rolled their own. Lost 1.5 days of work because of that. So it wasn't entirely my org's fault. A lot of the blame goes to the customer who wanted to save money and wound up costing themselves a lot more money. Webster From: Troy Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 4:25 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster WOW. Thanks for the insight into your organization. *suddenly less miffed at management* -troy From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 2:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster From: Ehren Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster What were the misconfigurations you ran into? 1. Whoever installed the OS and updates did something wrong as Exchange 2007 refused to install on any of the blades. The blades had to be completely rebuilt. After that, there were no issues with installed Ex 07. 2. Whoever installed the software on the blades to allow the blades to connect with the SAN did something wrong. The blades refused to see the SAN/LUNs or anything else. After #1 and reinstalling the SAN software on just the blades to be used for the CCR cluster, all SAN access was fine. 3. For some reason, setting up the first node in the Windows cluster didn't go very well. Even though the Majority Node Set was selected during the setup, a second node could not be added. When checking the configuration of the cluster it was set to Single Node with no option to change it to anything else. #1 fixed that issue. 4. Whoever setup the blade knew which two blades were going to be used for the cluster but failed to setup a private VLAN for the heartbeat NICs. So, every 10 minutes, the nodes would stop seeing each other and the cluster would failover. If it weren't file the File Share Witness, I am sure the nodes would have been failing continuously. A new hardcore blade engineer was sent out and he resolved that issue in short time. 5. Whoever was in charge of handing out internal and external IPs and making changes to their external DNS is an absolute PITA. He yelled at me for asking for a copy of their zone file. And yelled at me again for not planning the DNS changes ahead of time even though it wasn't me who was in charge of the fiasco, err I mean project. 6. The rest I will not mention in a public forum but without the help of Michael B. Smith I would have quit my job that week. Matter of fact, I almost did the last day I was there for the pilot phase. 7. Why did I almost quit? Never had worked with blades, nor an Enterprise class SAN, nor a Windows cluster, not an Exchange cluster, nor CCR and never a full transition from Ex 03 to Ex 07 on a scale this large before with no help (besides MBS that is). Oh, did I mention I got chewed out for using MBS? As you can probably tell, I am still just a little upset over the whole fiasco. And yes, I did tell everyone in project mgmt that I had ZERO experience with anything on this project. OK, I'll shut up now. Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exchange 2007 Cluster
Why run a cluster? A cluster does nothing to mitigate a site level disaster, and you still have the problem of database corruption to deal with. Build your installation with fault tolerant hardware and you should have little to zero downtime. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems Forward Operating Base Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium SatPhone - 717.633.3823 Roshain Mobile - 079 - 736 - 3832 In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag.. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people. Teddy Roosevelt; 1907 -Original Message- From: Jason Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 11:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange 2007 Cluster I have a customer interested in migrating their Windows 2003/Exchange 2003 FE/BE environment into a W2K8/E2K7 Cluster (for the mailboxes only). As this is not my usual area of expertise, I would appreciate any advice you have to offer. My thoughts are that we need two new servers to make up the CCR cluster and the E2K7 MBOX servers. From what I can tell, CCR is not a Windows cluster, but an Exchange thing, so I don't need to worry about quorums and the like. The existing FE would be upgraded to an E2K7 CAS. I guess my question is, what happens to the other roles? There are only 500 users or so and things run really well on two servers now. They aren't really interested in an Edge server, but obviously the Hub Transport role (and maybe an internal CAS) needs to go somewhere. They can run on the CCR, right? Thanks for your help! Jason Tierney, MCITP Vice President, Consulting Services Corporate Network Services Count on Us 20010 Fisher Ave, Suite E Poolesville, MD 20837 direct: 240-425-4441 | main: 301.948.8077 | fax: 301.349.2518 http://www.cornetser.com http://www.cornetser.com Best Place to Work, Alliance for Workplace Excellence - 2006, 2007, 2008 ...ask me how to better manage your IT costs with cid:image001.jpg@01C7A23F.5BB079C0 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
