RE: anti-spam DNS requests

2011-01-20 Thread Paul Hutchings
Maybe it queries more RBLs, maybe it does root hint lookups rather than
forwarders, it could be a lot of things depending on how it's configured
vs. the old product.

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Osborne, Richard [mailto:richard.osbo...@wth.org] 
Sent: 20 January 2011 16:03
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: anti-spam DNS requests

Our anti-spam solution sits behind our firewall with the necessary ports
open to the Internet.  We recently changed from a Windows-based
(Symantec Mail Security) to a Linux-based (SpamTitan) anti-spam system.
My firewall guy is concerned that the number of DNS connections on the
firewall (Checkpoint Firewall-1) has more than doubled.  We saw the same
behavior when we demo'ed Untangle (also Linux-based).

Both anti-spam solutions use RBL's, so of course there will be a lot of
DNS requests. 

Any ideas why the number has grown so much higher and whether it should
be a concern?  Should we just move our anti-spam server outside the
firewall?

Thanks.


Richard Osborne
Information Systems
Jackson-Madison County General Hospital

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RE: anti-spam DNS requests

2011-01-20 Thread Alex Eckelberry
Spamtitan, like many open-source based appliances, queries a bunch of RBLs, 
like SURBL, Spamhaus, etc.   Look at what RBLs are listed, there's going to be 
a bunch of lookups. 

I am not surprised that you saw a jump.  

Alex

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-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:07 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: anti-spam DNS requests

Maybe it queries more RBLs, maybe it does root hint lookups rather than 
forwarders, it could be a lot of things depending on how it's configured vs. 
the old product.

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Osborne, Richard [mailto:richard.osbo...@wth.org]
Sent: 20 January 2011 16:03
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: anti-spam DNS requests

Our anti-spam solution sits behind our firewall with the necessary ports open 
to the Internet.  We recently changed from a Windows-based (Symantec Mail 
Security) to a Linux-based (SpamTitan) anti-spam system.
My firewall guy is concerned that the number of DNS connections on the firewall 
(Checkpoint Firewall-1) has more than doubled.  We saw the same behavior when 
we demo'ed Untangle (also Linux-based).

Both anti-spam solutions use RBL's, so of course there will be a lot of DNS 
requests. 

Any ideas why the number has grown so much higher and whether it should be a 
concern?  Should we just move our anti-spam server outside the firewall?

Thanks.


Richard Osborne
Information Systems
Jackson-Madison County General Hospital

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RE: anti-spam DNS requests

2011-01-20 Thread Osborne, Richard
Our previous Windows-based anti-spam queried the same 3 RBLs, so I don't
understand the increase.

-Original Message-
From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:al...@sunbelt-software.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:31 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: anti-spam DNS requests

Spamtitan, like many open-source based appliances, queries a bunch of
RBLs, like SURBL, Spamhaus, etc.   Look at what RBLs are listed, there's
going to be a bunch of lookups. 

I am not surprised that you saw a jump.  

Alex

Alex Eckelberry
General Manager, Security Business Unit
GFI Software, Inc. (formerly Sunbelt Software)
33 N. Garden Avenue, Clearwater, FL 33755 
p: 919-297-1347  f: 727-562-5199
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-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:07 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: anti-spam DNS requests

Maybe it queries more RBLs, maybe it does root hint lookups rather than
forwarders, it could be a lot of things depending on how it's configured
vs. the old product.

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Osborne, Richard [mailto:richard.osbo...@wth.org]
Sent: 20 January 2011 16:03
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: anti-spam DNS requests

Our anti-spam solution sits behind our firewall with the necessary ports
open to the Internet.  We recently changed from a Windows-based
(Symantec Mail Security) to a Linux-based (SpamTitan) anti-spam system.
My firewall guy is concerned that the number of DNS connections on the
firewall (Checkpoint Firewall-1) has more than doubled.  We saw the same
behavior when we demo'ed Untangle (also Linux-based).

Both anti-spam solutions use RBL's, so of course there will be a lot of
DNS requests. 

Any ideas why the number has grown so much higher and whether it should
be a concern?  Should we just move our anti-spam server outside the
firewall?

Thanks.


Richard Osborne
Information Systems
Jackson-Madison County General Hospital

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RE: anti-spam DNS requests

2011-01-20 Thread Steve Hart
It might be that SpamTitan caches DNS entries for a shorter time than Windows.



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-Original Message-
From: Osborne, Richard [mailto:richard.osbo...@wth.org] 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:37 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: anti-spam DNS requests

Our previous Windows-based anti-spam queried the same 3 RBLs, so I don't
understand the increase.

-Original Message-
From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:al...@sunbelt-software.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:31 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: anti-spam DNS requests

Spamtitan, like many open-source based appliances, queries a bunch of
RBLs, like SURBL, Spamhaus, etc.   Look at what RBLs are listed, there's
going to be a bunch of lookups. 

I am not surprised that you saw a jump.  

Alex

Alex Eckelberry
General Manager, Security Business Unit
GFI Software, Inc. (formerly Sunbelt Software)
33 N. Garden Avenue, Clearwater, FL 33755 
p: 919-297-1347  f: 727-562-5199
e: al...@gfi.com MSN: alex...@hotmail.com 
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-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:07 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: anti-spam DNS requests

Maybe it queries more RBLs, maybe it does root hint lookups rather than
forwarders, it could be a lot of things depending on how it's configured
vs. the old product.

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Osborne, Richard [mailto:richard.osbo...@wth.org]
Sent: 20 January 2011 16:03
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: anti-spam DNS requests

Our anti-spam solution sits behind our firewall with the necessary ports
open to the Internet.  We recently changed from a Windows-based
(Symantec Mail Security) to a Linux-based (SpamTitan) anti-spam system.
My firewall guy is concerned that the number of DNS connections on the
firewall (Checkpoint Firewall-1) has more than doubled.  We saw the same
behavior when we demo'ed Untangle (also Linux-based).

Both anti-spam solutions use RBL's, so of course there will be a lot of
DNS requests. 

Any ideas why the number has grown so much higher and whether it should
be a concern?  Should we just move our anti-spam server outside the
firewall?

Thanks.


Richard Osborne
Information Systems
Jackson-Madison County General Hospital

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RE: anti-spam DNS requests

2011-01-20 Thread Kennedy, Jim
Perhaps it is doing other DNS lookups. For example it might be doing what I 
call a circular DNS check.

Sending server connects to you from IP  10.55.1.1 and HELO's mail.fubar.com

The spam appliance checks the A record for mail.fubar.com, and it better be 
10.55.1.1
Then it checks the PTR record for 10.55.1.1 and it better be mail.fubar.com

Not RFC required but very common and pretty effective.

Just an example, there are other DNS lookups it could have added besides RBL's 
that your old unit did not do. Should it be moved out is a question for the 
firewall guy. If it is hurting the firewall's performance then he needs a new 
firewall or you need to move it. And that is the question, is the spike causing 
issues or just causing him worry?

-Original Message-
From: Osborne, Richard [mailto:richard.osbo...@wth.org] 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:37 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: anti-spam DNS requests

Our previous Windows-based anti-spam queried the same 3 RBLs, so I don't 
understand the increase.

-Original Message-
From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:al...@sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:31 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: anti-spam DNS requests

Spamtitan, like many open-source based appliances, queries a bunch of
RBLs, like SURBL, Spamhaus, etc.   Look at what RBLs are listed, there's
going to be a bunch of lookups. 

I am not surprised that you saw a jump.  

Alex

Alex Eckelberry
General Manager, Security Business Unit
GFI Software, Inc. (formerly Sunbelt Software)
33 N. Garden Avenue, Clearwater, FL 33755
p: 919-297-1347  f: 727-562-5199
e: al...@gfi.com MSN: alex...@hotmail.com
Skype: alexeckelberry oovoo: alexeck
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-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:07 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: anti-spam DNS requests

Maybe it queries more RBLs, maybe it does root hint lookups rather than 
forwarders, it could be a lot of things depending on how it's configured vs. 
the old product.

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Osborne, Richard [mailto:richard.osbo...@wth.org]
Sent: 20 January 2011 16:03
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: anti-spam DNS requests

Our anti-spam solution sits behind our firewall with the necessary ports open 
to the Internet.  We recently changed from a Windows-based (Symantec Mail 
Security) to a Linux-based (SpamTitan) anti-spam system.
My firewall guy is concerned that the number of DNS connections on the firewall 
(Checkpoint Firewall-1) has more than doubled.  We saw the same behavior when 
we demo'ed Untangle (also Linux-based).

Both anti-spam solutions use RBL's, so of course there will be a lot of DNS 
requests. 

Any ideas why the number has grown so much higher and whether it should be a 
concern?  Should we just move our anti-spam server outside the firewall?

Thanks.


Richard Osborne
Information Systems
Jackson-Madison County General Hospital

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RE: anti-spam DNS requests

2011-01-20 Thread Randal, Phil
Or that SpamTitan's Use DNS Cache option has been turned off.

Cheers,

Phil

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-Original Message-
From: Steve Hart [mailto:sh...@wrightbg.com] 
Sent: 20 January 2011 16:39
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: anti-spam DNS requests

It might be that SpamTitan caches DNS entries for a shorter time than Windows.



Steve Hart

Network Administrator

503.491.4343 -Direct | 503.492.8160 - Fax


-Original Message-
From: Osborne, Richard [mailto:richard.osbo...@wth.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:37 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: anti-spam DNS requests

Our previous Windows-based anti-spam queried the same 3 RBLs, so I don't 
understand the increase.

-Original Message-
From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:al...@sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:31 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: anti-spam DNS requests

Spamtitan, like many open-source based appliances, queries a bunch of
RBLs, like SURBL, Spamhaus, etc.   Look at what RBLs are listed, there's
going to be a bunch of lookups. 

I am not surprised that you saw a jump.  

Alex

Alex Eckelberry
General Manager, Security Business Unit
GFI Software, Inc. (formerly Sunbelt Software)
33 N. Garden Avenue, Clearwater, FL 33755
p: 919-297-1347  f: 727-562-5199
e: al...@gfi.com MSN: alex...@hotmail.com
Skype: alexeckelberry oovoo: alexeck
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-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:07 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: anti-spam DNS requests

Maybe it queries more RBLs, maybe it does root hint lookups rather than 
forwarders, it could be a lot of things depending on how it's configured vs. 
the old product.

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Osborne, Richard [mailto:richard.osbo...@wth.org]
Sent: 20 January 2011 16:03
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: anti-spam DNS requests

Our anti-spam solution sits behind our firewall with the necessary ports open 
to the Internet.  We recently changed from a Windows-based (Symantec Mail 
Security) to a Linux-based (SpamTitan) anti-spam system.
My firewall guy is concerned that the number of DNS connections on the firewall 
(Checkpoint Firewall-1) has more than doubled.  We saw the same behavior when 
we demo'ed Untangle (also Linux-based).

Both anti-spam solutions use RBL's, so of course there will be a lot of DNS 
requests. 

Any ideas why the number has grown so much higher and whether it should be a 
concern?  Should we just move our anti-spam server outside the firewall?

Thanks.


Richard Osborne
Information Systems
Jackson-Madison County General Hospital

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RE: anti-spam DNS requests

2011-01-20 Thread Osborne, Richard
Thanks everyone for the input.

SpamTitan's DNS cache is on; I'm waiting for an answer from support about how 
long it caches lookups and whether that can be changed.

My guess is that Steve's, Jim's, or Paul's ideas about DNS behavior being 
different between the two products is correct.  Jim hit the nail on the head 
when he said is the spike causing issues or just causing him [my firewall guy] 
worry?.  I suspect the latter. :)

-Original Message-
From: Randal, Phil [mailto:pran...@herefordshire.gov.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:59 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: anti-spam DNS requests

Or that SpamTitan's Use DNS Cache option has been turned off.

Cheers,

Phil

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-Original Message-
From: Steve Hart [mailto:sh...@wrightbg.com] 
Sent: 20 January 2011 16:39
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: anti-spam DNS requests

It might be that SpamTitan caches DNS entries for a shorter time than Windows.



Steve Hart

Network Administrator

503.491.4343 -Direct | 503.492.8160 - Fax


-Original Message-
From: Osborne, Richard [mailto:richard.osbo...@wth.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:37 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: anti-spam DNS requests

Our previous Windows-based anti-spam queried the same 3 RBLs, so I don't 
understand the increase.

-Original Message-
From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:al...@sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:31 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: anti-spam DNS requests

Spamtitan, like many open-source based appliances, queries a bunch of
RBLs, like SURBL, Spamhaus, etc.   Look at what RBLs are listed, there's
going to be a bunch of lookups. 

I am not surprised that you saw a jump.  

Alex

Alex Eckelberry
General Manager, Security Business Unit
GFI Software, Inc. (formerly Sunbelt Software)
33 N. Garden Avenue, Clearwater, FL 33755
p: 919-297-1347  f: 727-562-5199
e: al...@gfi.com MSN: alex...@hotmail.com
Skype: alexeckelberry oovoo: alexeck
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-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:07 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: anti-spam DNS requests

Maybe it queries more RBLs, maybe it does root hint lookups rather than 
forwarders, it could be a lot of things depending on how it's configured vs. 
the old product.

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Osborne, Richard [mailto:richard.osbo...@wth.org]
Sent: 20 January 2011 16:03
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: anti-spam DNS requests

Our anti-spam solution sits behind our firewall with the necessary ports open 
to the Internet.  We recently changed from a Windows-based (Symantec Mail 
Security) to a Linux-based (SpamTitan) anti-spam system.
My firewall guy is concerned that the number of DNS connections on the firewall 
(Checkpoint Firewall-1) has more than doubled.  We saw the same behavior when 
we demo'ed Untangle (also Linux-based).

Both anti-spam solutions use RBL's, so of course there will be a lot of DNS 
requests. 

Any ideas why the number has grown so much higher and whether it should be a 
concern?  Should we just move our anti-spam server outside the firewall?

Thanks.


Richard Osborne
Information Systems
Jackson-Madison County General Hospital

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Re: anti-spam DNS requests

2011-01-20 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
Indeed.  Perhaps look into cache settings for redundant lookups.

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On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Paul Hutchings
paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukwrote:

 Maybe it queries more RBLs, maybe it does root hint lookups rather than
 forwarders, it could be a lot of things depending on how it's configured
 vs. the old product.

 Paul

 -Original Message-
 From: Osborne, Richard [mailto:richard.osbo...@wth.org]
 Sent: 20 January 2011 16:03
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 Subject: anti-spam DNS requests

 Our anti-spam solution sits behind our firewall with the necessary ports
 open to the Internet.  We recently changed from a Windows-based
 (Symantec Mail Security) to a Linux-based (SpamTitan) anti-spam system.
 My firewall guy is concerned that the number of DNS connections on the
 firewall (Checkpoint Firewall-1) has more than doubled.  We saw the same
 behavior when we demo'ed Untangle (also Linux-based).

 Both anti-spam solutions use RBL's, so of course there will be a lot of
 DNS requests.

 Any ideas why the number has grown so much higher and whether it should
 be a concern?  Should we just move our anti-spam server outside the
 firewall?

 Thanks.


 Richard Osborne
 Information Systems
 Jackson-Madison County General Hospital

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