Re: [expert] 9.1 KDE problems
Jack Coates wrote: it depends :-) RPM's great weakness is that everything depends on the naming convention chosen by the RPM author. It is the _RedHat_ Package Manager after all, and when they wrote it I don't think it occurred that other distro companies would exist, much less adopt the package format (IIRC Slackware was the only other distro when RH got started, though TurboLinux came up very quickly too). When packages are selected, the urpmi mechanism looks at [name][version]. When [name] matches, [version] is compared and the requires rules are applied. If [name] doesn't match, you end up with a problem because the two packages are considered different by the RPM database, but they contain the same files. You get an error "foo-bar.3.0.i586.mdk.rpm is trying to overwrite /bin/foobar which is owned by foobar.2.9.i586.mdk.rpm". If [version] doesn't sort the way you expect, you might end up with packages not getting updated. Example left to imagination. If urpmi just can't figure it out, it'll ask: "You need to choose one of the following packages: 1) libfoobar3-devel-0.i586.mdk.rpm 2) libfoobar-devel.3.0.i586.mdk.rpm Please enter your choice or cancel: " Jack On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 08:42, Trey Sizemore wrote: If I have Cooker and Texstar both installed, how will running: urpmi --auto --auto-select handle duplicate packages (for example, Texstar's kdebase and the Cooker kdebase)? Thanks. Beware that urpmi will automatically choose the most recent version of your installed package(s) to install, i.e., cooker. For that reason, you probably should not have a cooker source configured unless you are running cooker. Alternatively, you can specify which media to use when running urpmi, e.g.: urpmi --media texstar --auto-select Rolf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.1 KDE problems
it depends :-) RPM's great weakness is that everything depends on the naming convention chosen by the RPM author. It is the _RedHat_ Package Manager after all, and when they wrote it I don't think it occurred that other distro companies would exist, much less adopt the package format (IIRC Slackware was the only other distro when RH got started, though TurboLinux came up very quickly too). When packages are selected, the urpmi mechanism looks at [name][version]. When [name] matches, [version] is compared and the requires rules are applied. If [name] doesn't match, you end up with a problem because the two packages are considered different by the RPM database, but they contain the same files. You get an error "foo-bar.3.0.i586.mdk.rpm is trying to overwrite /bin/foobar which is owned by foobar.2.9.i586.mdk.rpm". If [version] doesn't sort the way you expect, you might end up with packages not getting updated. Example left to imagination. If urpmi just can't figure it out, it'll ask: "You need to choose one of the following packages: 1) libfoobar3-devel-0.i586.mdk.rpm 2) libfoobar-devel.3.0.i586.mdk.rpm Please enter your choice or cancel: " Jack On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 08:42, Trey Sizemore wrote: > If I have Cooker and Texstar both installed, how will running: > > urpmi --auto --auto-select > > handle duplicate packages (for example, Texstar's kdebase and the Cooker > kdebase)? > > Thanks. > > On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 08:13, James Sparenberg wrote: > > On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 21:51, Trey Sizemore wrote: > > > What is the easiest way to determine what packages are exactly needed > > > from the ibilio site. I know kdebase, kdenetwork, etc., but what about > > > the libs and other file dependencies that may exist? This is why I > > > liked urpmi, but I've had some issues with it of late. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > Trey, > > > >The easiest and most reliable is to use urpmi. It will solve the > > problem for you. > > > > just do > > > > urpmi.addmedia texstar > > http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.1/rpms/i586 > > with ./hdlist.cz > > > > (this should all be one line but wordwrap is a bear.) > > > > Then do > > > > urpmi --auto --auto-select > > > > This will add/update the correct rpms and maintain a working system for > > you. This is one of the few times I'd recommend automation over a > > controlled manual process. But I've done it now on 7 installations and > > not a single one has had a problem. > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 14:16, Robert Crawford wrote: > > > > On Monday 02 June 2003 11:47, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > > > > > I decided to post this here because it looks way beyond newbie stuff. > > > > > > > > > > I'm running 9.1 (download edition) on an AMD XP2100, Soyo Dragon Plus MB, > > > > > 512 megs of Corsair DDR ram. > > > > > > > > > > Installation went smooth with no errors that I know of. > > > > > > > > > > As root, I can open 2 windows, try to copy something (anything) between > > > > > them and both windows competely disappear. No warnings or error messages. > > > > > > > > > > With my normal user account, I can open an icon window (home for example) > > > > > and close it, always with a crash and a KDE error message: > > > > > > > > > Anyone have any ideas? Makes it darned hard to use, ya know? > > > > > > > > > > Never had these problems with v9.0 or 8.2. Oh, I did a complete install and > > > > > not an upgrade. > > > > > > > > There are various weird problems with the stock kde 3.1 with 9.1. A lot of > > > > users have problems such as yours, and others too. > > > > > > > > I suggest reading the kde threads on pclinuxonline under the RPM announcements > > > > forum, then downloading ALL of Texstar's kde 3.1.2 packages from his ibiblio > > > > site to their own directory in /home, then log out of kde into gnome or Ice, > > > > and rename your /home/user/.kde folder to kdeold. Then go to init 3, su to > > > > root, and cd to the directory you downloaded to and install Tex's kde > > > > packages with (takes a few minutes). Be sure and get all the required > > > > packages and dependencies. Use this command to install in init 3. > > > > > > > > rpm -Uvh --force *.rpm > > > > > > > > --force replaces files and packages, but you must not be running kde at the > > > > time of install. > > > > > > > > Then you need to restart the box with the halt command- if you just go > > > > directly back to init 5 after the packages install, you might have trouble- I > > > > did. Kmail shows up with all your email, but you'll need to re-enter your > > > > info and accounts. In the kdeold folder you saved, there is a bookmark.xml > > > > file in /share/apps/konqueror- just replace the new one in the same location > > > > in /home/user/.kde, and your bookmarks are back. You might need to resetup > > > > the kppp info. > > > > > > > > Robert Crawford > > > > >
Re: [expert] 9.1 KDE problems
If I have Cooker and Texstar both installed, how will running: urpmi --auto --auto-select handle duplicate packages (for example, Texstar's kdebase and the Cooker kdebase)? Thanks. On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 08:13, James Sparenberg wrote: > On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 21:51, Trey Sizemore wrote: > > What is the easiest way to determine what packages are exactly needed > > from the ibilio site. I know kdebase, kdenetwork, etc., but what about > > the libs and other file dependencies that may exist? This is why I > > liked urpmi, but I've had some issues with it of late. > > > > Thanks. > > Trey, > >The easiest and most reliable is to use urpmi. It will solve the > problem for you. > > just do > > urpmi.addmedia texstar > http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.1/rpms/i586 > with ./hdlist.cz > > (this should all be one line but wordwrap is a bear.) > > Then do > > urpmi --auto --auto-select > > This will add/update the correct rpms and maintain a working system for > you. This is one of the few times I'd recommend automation over a > controlled manual process. But I've done it now on 7 installations and > not a single one has had a problem. > > James > > > > > > > On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 14:16, Robert Crawford wrote: > > > On Monday 02 June 2003 11:47, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > > > > I decided to post this here because it looks way beyond newbie stuff. > > > > > > > > I'm running 9.1 (download edition) on an AMD XP2100, Soyo Dragon Plus MB, > > > > 512 megs of Corsair DDR ram. > > > > > > > > Installation went smooth with no errors that I know of. > > > > > > > > As root, I can open 2 windows, try to copy something (anything) between > > > > them and both windows competely disappear. No warnings or error messages. > > > > > > > > With my normal user account, I can open an icon window (home for example) > > > > and close it, always with a crash and a KDE error message: > > > > > > > Anyone have any ideas? Makes it darned hard to use, ya know? > > > > > > > > Never had these problems with v9.0 or 8.2. Oh, I did a complete install and > > > > not an upgrade. > > > > > > There are various weird problems with the stock kde 3.1 with 9.1. A lot of > > > users have problems such as yours, and others too. > > > > > > I suggest reading the kde threads on pclinuxonline under the RPM announcements > > > forum, then downloading ALL of Texstar's kde 3.1.2 packages from his ibiblio > > > site to their own directory in /home, then log out of kde into gnome or Ice, > > > and rename your /home/user/.kde folder to kdeold. Then go to init 3, su to > > > root, and cd to the directory you downloaded to and install Tex's kde > > > packages with (takes a few minutes). Be sure and get all the required > > > packages and dependencies. Use this command to install in init 3. > > > > > > rpm -Uvh --force *.rpm > > > > > > --force replaces files and packages, but you must not be running kde at the > > > time of install. > > > > > > Then you need to restart the box with the halt command- if you just go > > > directly back to init 5 after the packages install, you might have trouble- I > > > did. Kmail shows up with all your email, but you'll need to re-enter your > > > info and accounts. In the kdeold folder you saved, there is a bookmark.xml > > > file in /share/apps/konqueror- just replace the new one in the same location > > > in /home/user/.kde, and your bookmarks are back. You might need to resetup > > > the kppp info. > > > > > > Robert Crawford > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > __ > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] 9.1 KDE problems
You could look in MCC under remove packages (alphabetical list button) and see what kde related packages you currently have installed. You'll need the qt and arts libs for sure, and probably find a few more. Then get those from Texstar's ibiblio. If you only get the ones you currently have installed, you should already have all dependencies covered, as they would have been installed originally with the kde stuff. I haven't found urpmi that reliable, but haven't really gotten into it and set it up correctly, as I only have dialup, and need to download packages individually. If I had broadband, I'd definitely give it a good try. Robert Crawford On Sunday 08 June 2003 00:51, Trey Sizemore wrote: > What is the easiest way to determine what packages are exactly needed > from the ibilio site. I know kdebase, kdenetwork, etc., but what about > the libs and other file dependencies that may exist? This is why I > liked urpmi, but I've had some issues with it of late. > > Thanks. > > On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 14:16, Robert Crawford wrote: > > On Monday 02 June 2003 11:47, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > > > I decided to post this here because it looks way beyond newbie stuff. > > > > > > I'm running 9.1 (download edition) on an AMD XP2100, Soyo Dragon Plus > > > MB, 512 megs of Corsair DDR ram. > > > > > > Installation went smooth with no errors that I know of. > > > > > > As root, I can open 2 windows, try to copy something (anything) between > > > them and both windows competely disappear. No warnings or error > > > messages. > > > > > > With my normal user account, I can open an icon window (home for > > > example) and close it, always with a crash and a KDE error message: > > > > > > Anyone have any ideas? Makes it darned hard to use, ya know? > > > > > > Never had these problems with v9.0 or 8.2. Oh, I did a complete install > > > and not an upgrade. > > > > There are various weird problems with the stock kde 3.1 with 9.1. A lot > > of users have problems such as yours, and others too. > > > > I suggest reading the kde threads on pclinuxonline under the RPM > > announcements forum, then downloading ALL of Texstar's kde 3.1.2 packages > > from his ibiblio site to their own directory in /home, then log out of > > kde into gnome or Ice, and rename your /home/user/.kde folder to kdeold. > > Then go to init 3, su to root, and cd to the directory you downloaded to > > and install Tex's kde packages with (takes a few minutes). Be sure and > > get all the required packages and dependencies. Use this command to > > install in init 3. > > > > rpm -Uvh --force *.rpm > > > > --force replaces files and packages, but you must not be running kde at > > the time of install. > > > > Then you need to restart the box with the halt command- if you just go > > directly back to init 5 after the packages install, you might have > > trouble- I did. Kmail shows up with all your email, but you'll need to > > re-enter your info and accounts. In the kdeold folder you saved, there is > > a bookmark.xml file in /share/apps/konqueror- just replace the new one in > > the same location in /home/user/.kde, and your bookmarks are back. You > > might need to resetup the kppp info. > > > > Robert Crawford > > > > > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.1 KDE problems
On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 21:51, Trey Sizemore wrote: > What is the easiest way to determine what packages are exactly needed > from the ibilio site. I know kdebase, kdenetwork, etc., but what about > the libs and other file dependencies that may exist? This is why I > liked urpmi, but I've had some issues with it of late. > > Thanks. Trey, The easiest and most reliable is to use urpmi. It will solve the problem for you. just do urpmi.addmedia texstar http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.1/rpms/i586 with ./hdlist.cz (this should all be one line but wordwrap is a bear.) Then do urpmi --auto --auto-select This will add/update the correct rpms and maintain a working system for you. This is one of the few times I'd recommend automation over a controlled manual process. But I've done it now on 7 installations and not a single one has had a problem. James > > On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 14:16, Robert Crawford wrote: > > On Monday 02 June 2003 11:47, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > > > I decided to post this here because it looks way beyond newbie stuff. > > > > > > I'm running 9.1 (download edition) on an AMD XP2100, Soyo Dragon Plus MB, > > > 512 megs of Corsair DDR ram. > > > > > > Installation went smooth with no errors that I know of. > > > > > > As root, I can open 2 windows, try to copy something (anything) between > > > them and both windows competely disappear. No warnings or error messages. > > > > > > With my normal user account, I can open an icon window (home for example) > > > and close it, always with a crash and a KDE error message: > > > > > Anyone have any ideas? Makes it darned hard to use, ya know? > > > > > > Never had these problems with v9.0 or 8.2. Oh, I did a complete install and > > > not an upgrade. > > > > There are various weird problems with the stock kde 3.1 with 9.1. A lot of > > users have problems such as yours, and others too. > > > > I suggest reading the kde threads on pclinuxonline under the RPM announcements > > forum, then downloading ALL of Texstar's kde 3.1.2 packages from his ibiblio > > site to their own directory in /home, then log out of kde into gnome or Ice, > > and rename your /home/user/.kde folder to kdeold. Then go to init 3, su to > > root, and cd to the directory you downloaded to and install Tex's kde > > packages with (takes a few minutes). Be sure and get all the required > > packages and dependencies. Use this command to install in init 3. > > > > rpm -Uvh --force *.rpm > > > > --force replaces files and packages, but you must not be running kde at the > > time of install. > > > > Then you need to restart the box with the halt command- if you just go > > directly back to init 5 after the packages install, you might have trouble- I > > did. Kmail shows up with all your email, but you'll need to re-enter your > > info and accounts. In the kdeold folder you saved, there is a bookmark.xml > > file in /share/apps/konqueror- just replace the new one in the same location > > in /home/user/.kde, and your bookmarks are back. You might need to resetup > > the kppp info. > > > > Robert Crawford > > > > > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.1 KDE problems
What is the easiest way to determine what packages are exactly needed from the ibilio site. I know kdebase, kdenetwork, etc., but what about the libs and other file dependencies that may exist? This is why I liked urpmi, but I've had some issues with it of late. Thanks. On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 14:16, Robert Crawford wrote: > On Monday 02 June 2003 11:47, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > > I decided to post this here because it looks way beyond newbie stuff. > > > > I'm running 9.1 (download edition) on an AMD XP2100, Soyo Dragon Plus MB, > > 512 megs of Corsair DDR ram. > > > > Installation went smooth with no errors that I know of. > > > > As root, I can open 2 windows, try to copy something (anything) between > > them and both windows competely disappear. No warnings or error messages. > > > > With my normal user account, I can open an icon window (home for example) > > and close it, always with a crash and a KDE error message: > > > Anyone have any ideas? Makes it darned hard to use, ya know? > > > > Never had these problems with v9.0 or 8.2. Oh, I did a complete install and > > not an upgrade. > > There are various weird problems with the stock kde 3.1 with 9.1. A lot of > users have problems such as yours, and others too. > > I suggest reading the kde threads on pclinuxonline under the RPM announcements > forum, then downloading ALL of Texstar's kde 3.1.2 packages from his ibiblio > site to their own directory in /home, then log out of kde into gnome or Ice, > and rename your /home/user/.kde folder to kdeold. Then go to init 3, su to > root, and cd to the directory you downloaded to and install Tex's kde > packages with (takes a few minutes). Be sure and get all the required > packages and dependencies. Use this command to install in init 3. > > rpm -Uvh --force *.rpm > > --force replaces files and packages, but you must not be running kde at the > time of install. > > Then you need to restart the box with the halt command- if you just go > directly back to init 5 after the packages install, you might have trouble- I > did. Kmail shows up with all your email, but you'll need to re-enter your > info and accounts. In the kdeold folder you saved, there is a bookmark.xml > file in /share/apps/konqueror- just replace the new one in the same location > in /home/user/.kde, and your bookmarks are back. You might need to resetup > the kppp info. > > Robert Crawford > > > > __ > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] 9.1 KDE problems
On Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:16:13 -0400 Robert Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 02 June 2003 11:47, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > > I decided to post this here because it looks way beyond newbie stuff. > > > > I'm running 9.1 (download edition) on an AMD XP2100, Soyo Dragon Plus MB, > > 512 megs of Corsair DDR ram. > > > > Installation went smooth with no errors that I know of. > > > > As root, I can open 2 windows, try to copy something (anything) between > > them and both windows competely disappear. No warnings or error messages. > > > > With my normal user account, I can open an icon window (home for example) > > and close it, always with a crash and a KDE error message: > > > Anyone have any ideas? Makes it darned hard to use, ya know? > > > > Never had these problems with v9.0 or 8.2. Oh, I did a complete install and > > not an upgrade. > > There are various weird problems with the stock kde 3.1 with 9.1. A lot of > users have problems such as yours, and others too. > > I suggest reading the kde threads on pclinuxonline under the RPM announcements > forum, then downloading ALL of Texstar's kde 3.1.2 packages from his ibiblio > site to their own directory in /home, then log out of kde into gnome or Ice, > and rename your /home/user/.kde folder to kdeold. Then go to init 3, su to > root, and cd to the directory you downloaded to and install Tex's kde > packages with (takes a few minutes). Be sure and get all the required > packages and dependencies. Use this command to install in init 3. > > rpm -Uvh --force *.rpm > > --force replaces files and packages, but you must not be running kde at the > time of install. > > Then you need to restart the box with the halt command- if you just go > directly back to init 5 after the packages install, you might have trouble- I > did. Kmail shows up with all your email, but you'll need to re-enter your > info and accounts. In the kdeold folder you saved, there is a bookmark.xml > file in /share/apps/konqueror- just replace the new one in the same location > in /home/user/.kde, and your bookmarks are back. You might need to resetup > the kppp info. > > Robert Crawford > > > If you're not wanting to go to 3.1.2, you can use the updated KDE rpms from Mandrake Update to fix many of the KDE problems. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.1 KDE problems
On Monday 02 June 2003 02:16 pm, Robert Crawford wrote: > There are various weird problems with the stock kde 3.1 with 9.1. A lot of > users have problems such as yours, and others too. Thanks Robert, I'll look into this. Nice to know I'm not the only one! -- /\ Dark< >Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.1 KDE problems
On Monday 02 June 2003 11:47, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > I decided to post this here because it looks way beyond newbie stuff. > > I'm running 9.1 (download edition) on an AMD XP2100, Soyo Dragon Plus MB, > 512 megs of Corsair DDR ram. > > Installation went smooth with no errors that I know of. > > As root, I can open 2 windows, try to copy something (anything) between > them and both windows competely disappear. No warnings or error messages. > > With my normal user account, I can open an icon window (home for example) > and close it, always with a crash and a KDE error message: > Anyone have any ideas? Makes it darned hard to use, ya know? > > Never had these problems with v9.0 or 8.2. Oh, I did a complete install and > not an upgrade. There are various weird problems with the stock kde 3.1 with 9.1. A lot of users have problems such as yours, and others too. I suggest reading the kde threads on pclinuxonline under the RPM announcements forum, then downloading ALL of Texstar's kde 3.1.2 packages from his ibiblio site to their own directory in /home, then log out of kde into gnome or Ice, and rename your /home/user/.kde folder to kdeold. Then go to init 3, su to root, and cd to the directory you downloaded to and install Tex's kde packages with (takes a few minutes). Be sure and get all the required packages and dependencies. Use this command to install in init 3. rpm -Uvh --force *.rpm --force replaces files and packages, but you must not be running kde at the time of install. Then you need to restart the box with the halt command- if you just go directly back to init 5 after the packages install, you might have trouble- I did. Kmail shows up with all your email, but you'll need to re-enter your info and accounts. In the kdeold folder you saved, there is a bookmark.xml file in /share/apps/konqueror- just replace the new one in the same location in /home/user/.kde, and your bookmarks are back. You might need to resetup the kppp info. Robert Crawford Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] 9.1 KDE problems
I decided to post this here because it looks way beyond newbie stuff. I'm running 9.1 (download edition) on an AMD XP2100, Soyo Dragon Plus MB, 512 megs of Corsair DDR ram. Installation went smooth with no errors that I know of. As root, I can open 2 windows, try to copy something (anything) between them and both windows competely disappear. No warnings or error messages. With my normal user account, I can open an icon window (home for example) and close it, always with a crash and a KDE error message: (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... 0x41037677 in waitpid () from /lib/i686/libpthread.so.0 #0 0x41037677 in waitpid () from /lib/i686/libpthread.so.0 #1 0x4075de7b in KCrash::defaultCrashHandler(int) () from /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 #2 0x411a33b8 in __libc_sigaction () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6 #3 0x41b61745 in KonqKfmIconView::~KonqKfmIconView() () from /usr/lib/kde3/konq_iconview.so #4 0x4008d8ec in KonqView::~KonqView() () from /usr/lib/konqueror.so #5 0x4009633d in KonqViewManager::clear() () from /usr/lib/konqueror.so #6 0x4009255a in KonqViewManager::~KonqViewManager() () from /usr/lib/konqueror.so #7 0x40068848 in KonqMainWindow::~KonqMainWindow() () from /usr/lib/konqueror.so Anyone have any ideas? Makes it darned hard to use, ya know? Never had these problems with v9.0 or 8.2. Oh, I did a complete install and not an upgrade. -- /\ Dark< >Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
