Re: [expert] Got hands on RAID-1 or RAID-5?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greg Meyer wanted us to know: >> No hardware RAID (on i586 architechture) supports this to my knowledge, >> but then it was attested that linux software raid was always better >> anyway:) When it comes to data recovery, definitely not. >No hardware RAID with IDE type devices. Not quite true. The *ONLY* *TRUE* hardware IDE RAID: http://www.3ware.com When they do comparisons against other RAID manufacturers, they compare to SCSI RAID, because the other "IDE RAID" manufacturers simply do not even come close. If you are using HighPoint or Promise or any of those other "IDE RAID" chipsets, you are *NOT* using hardware RAID, no matter what they claim. Having said that, Adaptec seems to have a card that is similar to the 3Ware card, but I've no experience with it. >SCSI is very well supported because >it does not rely upon device drivers. Linux does require device drivers to access the special scsi hardware. Most kernels come with IDE precompiled in, but not SCSI. Blue skies... Todd - -- A: No Q: Should I quote at the end of the message? Linux kernel 2.4.22-10mm.2mdk 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://www.mrball.net/todd.asc iD8DBQE/pX+7IBT1264ScBURAvgQAJ0bxKrPDfygxraVMDq10KUkn9eCwwCeOrgZ SkJ1afugUspEH2ZgujMnh0w= =mgq+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Got hands on RAID-1 or RAID-5?
On Saturday 01 November 2003 12:52 am, Jack Coates wrote: > Yeah, I always wondered about the Inexpensive part when it's typically > used with $1000 SCSI drives :-) Makes more sense if it was intended for > IDE at first. I think that it always was in relation to the cost of losing the data. eg, the disk is less expensive than the data. I just made that up, but it sounded good. -- /g "Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read" -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Got hands on RAID-1 or RAID-5?
On Friday 31 October 2003 10:18 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 16:21, Greg Meyer wrote: > > On Friday 31 October 2003 07:21 pm, Michael Adams wrote: > > > No hardware RAID (on i586 architechture) supports this to my knowledge, > > > but then it was attested that linux software raid was always better > > > anyway:) > > > > No hardware RAID with IDE type devices. SCSI is very well supported > > because it does not rely upon device drivers. > > Ironic, RAID stands for Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks and was > originally an IDE concept. > I was not aware of that. AFAIK, SCSI RAID has been around for eons. I think first used it on a Novell 3.12 server back in 1993 or something like that. The machine was a compaq P90 server with a smart array controller. 3-4.3 GB hard drives gave us 8.5 GB of usable spce, which was wyy more that we could have ever imagined using. -- /g "Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read" -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Got hands on RAID-1 or RAID-5?
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:52:52 -0800 Jack Coates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > Yeah, I always wondered about the Inexpensive part when it's typically > used with $1000 SCSI drives :-) Makes more sense if it was intended > for IDE at first. Originally (as per the Berkeley geekz), RAID stood for Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. However, it's now more commonly defined as Redundant Array of Independent Disks. Prolly because SCSI is used more often, and they ain't "inexpensive" ;-) -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ You can't take it with you -- especially when crossing a state line. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Got hands on RAID-1 or RAID-5?
On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 19:18, James Sparenberg wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 16:21, Greg Meyer wrote: > > On Friday 31 October 2003 07:21 pm, Michael Adams wrote: > > > No hardware RAID (on i586 architechture) supports this to my knowledge, > > > but then it was attested that linux software raid was always better > > > anyway:) > > > > No hardware RAID with IDE type devices. SCSI is very well supported because > > it does not rely upon device drivers. > > Ironic, RAID stands for Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks and was > originally an IDE concept. Yeah, I always wondered about the Inexpensive part when it's typically used with $1000 SCSI drives :-) Makes more sense if it was intended for IDE at first. > > James > > > > > __ > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Got hands on RAID-1 or RAID-5?
On Friday 31 October 2003 10:42 pm, Salane KIng wrote: > On Friday 31 October 2003 07:44 pm, Fajar Priyanto wrote: > > On Saturday 01 November 2003 07:21 am, Michael Adams wrote: > > > No hardware RAID (on i586 architechture) supports this to my knowledge, > > > but then it was attested that linux software raid was always better > > > anyway:) > > > > Hi Michael, > > Can you show me how to do that? > > Thanks > > Yes post it here. Never mind here is a good HOWTO http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Got hands on RAID-1 or RAID-5?
On Friday 31 October 2003 07:44 pm, Fajar Priyanto wrote: > On Saturday 01 November 2003 07:21 am, Michael Adams wrote: > > No hardware RAID (on i586 architechture) supports this to my knowledge, > > but then it was attested that linux software raid was always better > > anyway:) > > Hi Michael, > Can you show me how to do that? > Thanks Yes post it here. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Got hands on RAID-1 or RAID-5?
On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 16:21, Greg Meyer wrote: > On Friday 31 October 2003 07:21 pm, Michael Adams wrote: > > No hardware RAID (on i586 architechture) supports this to my knowledge, > > but then it was attested that linux software raid was always better > > anyway:) > > No hardware RAID with IDE type devices. SCSI is very well supported because > it does not rely upon device drivers. Ironic, RAID stands for Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks and was originally an IDE concept. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Got hands on RAID-1 or RAID-5?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 01 November 2003 07:21 am, Michael Adams wrote: > No hardware RAID (on i586 architechture) supports this to my knowledge, > but then it was attested that linux software raid was always better > anyway:) Hi Michael, Can you show me how to do that? Thanks - -- Fajar http://linux.arinet.org Linux mdk91.sistek.kom 2.4.21-0.13mdk GNU/Linux 07:43:47 up 23 min, 10 users, load average: 0.48, 0.85, 0.83 Quote of the day: Microsoft's website has moved: http://www.microsoft.eu.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/owINMai9kCFqACoRAn10AKDjxOVIREyFE39xQhDTwghQRh680ACgsdTq ChwCfSV+tUbnJEfk5I7HNr4= =+eVY -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Got hands on RAID-1 or RAID-5?
On Friday 31 October 2003 07:21 pm, Michael Adams wrote: > No hardware RAID (on i586 architechture) supports this to my knowledge, > but then it was attested that linux software raid was always better > anyway:) No hardware RAID with IDE type devices. SCSI is very well supported because it does not rely upon device drivers. -- /g "Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read" -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Got hands on RAID-1 or RAID-5?
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:52:29 -0500 Greg Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 31 October 2003 03:33 am, Fajar Priyanto wrote: > > Dear all, > > I'm planning to try RAID-1 or RAID-5. Does anyone have any > > experience on this? Can you pls tell me about it or give me an url? > > Thanks guys. > > I use RAID 1 here on a small samba server. Very easy to set up and > get going. > > There are a couple of really good HOWTO's on this topic over at > tldp.org-- > /g > > "Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside > a dog it's too dark to read" -Groucho Marx > > RAID 5 is the best, no arguement. It requires three disks though. It allows for one disk to be removed on failure, a new disk to be installed, and the data to be rebuilt from the other two disks. Excellent for mission critical stuff. The data effectively gets written 1.5 times across the three disks. No hardware RAID (on i586 architechture) supports this to my knowledge, but then it was attested that linux software raid was always better anyway:) -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Got hands on RAID-1 or RAID-5?
On Friday 31 October 2003 03:33 am, Fajar Priyanto wrote: > Dear all, > I'm planning to try RAID-1 or RAID-5. Does anyone have any experience on > this? Can you pls tell me about it or give me an url? > Thanks guys. I use RAID 1 here on a small samba server. Very easy to set up and get going. There are a couple of really good HOWTO's on this topic over at tldp.org -- /g "Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read" -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Got hands on RAID-1 or RAID-5?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear all, I'm planning to try RAID-1 or RAID-5. Does anyone have any experience on this? Can you pls tell me about it or give me an url? Thanks guys. - -- Fajar http://linux.arinet.org Linux mdk91.sistek.kom 2.4.21-0.13mdk GNU/Linux 15:31:15 up 7:55, 10 users, load average: 0.24, 0.08, 0.02 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/oh56Mai9kCFqACoRArJNAJ9G6NXcHbs2zsxbIo0GlRpqcpfkTACfczTs xK1joe9vsut720SolWOZ6V4= =bDbl -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
