Re: [expert] Grmbl: Evolution to Outlook

2003-10-02 Thread Guy Van Sanden
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 01:01, Phil G. wrote:
 On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 15:45:10 -0700, Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  This one is very old and has spawned a few flamefests. The workaround is
  to use inline message signing instead of MIME... only, Evolution doesn't
  support and doesn't intend to support inline signing. Yet another reason
  why PGP/GPG is essentially stillborn in terms of widespread usage.
 

Sorry I didn't know that.
It is frustrating though, for the most part I wouldn't worry about it,
but I'm trying to find a job at the moment, so I can't just say 'your
mailer is broken'.
I just discovered it since the only person I know to use outlook express
is my sister.

I really don't get that MS doesn't fix their implementation, it is even
different between Outlook and outlook express.

 
 Is this the same with Opera 7?  Half the e-mail I get from linux users, in 
 order to read it, I have to click forward.  I deal with it because I 
 otherwise like Opera M2 but it's a PIA.

Could be, check the message source to see if there are attachments in
it.

 
 Phil


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[expert] Grmbl: Evolution to Outlook

2003-10-01 Thread Guy Van Sanden
Hello everyone

I just discovered that my Evolution PGP signed mails are completely
messed up in outlook express... It shows two attachments, one with the
signature and one with the message.

Now, I know this is outlooks fault (it handles MIME in a pretty weird
way), but it is very irritating since I sign *all* outgoing messages (on
my ISP account that is).

BTW, I haven't tested this, but Kmail (with PGP/MIME plugins) should
suffer the same faith.

The gory details as I can see is that outlook express has the strange
way to encapsulate everything as attachment (when there is at least one
attachment) and encapsulating other attachments in that.
The problem is that it doesn't know how to treat correct messages, so
they seem screwed up.

The problem that this causes is that most people don't know or care
about this, they use Outlook and everything else is wrong...
Some even think my signatures are viruses.

It is insane!

Kind regards

Guy


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Re: [expert] Grmbl: Evolution to Outlook

2003-10-01 Thread Jack Coates
This one is very old and has spawned a few flamefests. The workaround is
to use inline message signing instead of MIME... only, Evolution doesn't
support and doesn't intend to support inline signing. Yet another reason
why PGP/GPG is essentially stillborn in terms of widespread usage.

On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 14:21, Guy Van Sanden wrote:
 Hello everyone
 
 I just discovered that my Evolution PGP signed mails are completely
 messed up in outlook express... It shows two attachments, one with the
 signature and one with the message.
 
 Now, I know this is outlooks fault (it handles MIME in a pretty weird
 way), but it is very irritating since I sign *all* outgoing messages (on
 my ISP account that is).
 
 BTW, I haven't tested this, but Kmail (with PGP/MIME plugins) should
 suffer the same faith.
 
 The gory details as I can see is that outlook express has the strange
 way to encapsulate everything as attachment (when there is at least one
 attachment) and encapsulating other attachments in that.
 The problem is that it doesn't know how to treat correct messages, so
 they seem screwed up.
 
 The problem that this causes is that most people don't know or care
 about this, they use Outlook and everything else is wrong...
 Some even think my signatures are viruses.
 
 It is insane!
 
 Kind regards
 
 Guy
 
 
 
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Re: [expert] Grmbl: Evolution to Outlook

2003-10-01 Thread Phil G.
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 15:45:10 -0700, Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

This one is very old and has spawned a few flamefests. The workaround is
to use inline message signing instead of MIME... only, Evolution doesn't
support and doesn't intend to support inline signing. Yet another reason
why PGP/GPG is essentially stillborn in terms of widespread usage.
Is this the same with Opera 7?  Half the e-mail I get from linux users, in 
order to read it, I have to click forward.  I deal with it because I 
otherwise like Opera M2 but it's a PIA.

Phil

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