Re: [expert] Missing RAM - an old chestnut
Glyn Millington wrote: > Having removed the "append" line in lilo.conf I'm back where I > was with 23M of RAM reported at the log-in screen. > The diagnosis that the on-board video card is grabbing 8MB sounds > right. > I append my lilo.conf file - any one see anything sinister about > it? This looks okay -- you can remove the "append" line completely if you don't need it, though. -Stephen-
Re: [expert] Missing RAM - an old chestnut
On Fri, 07 Apr 2000, you wrote: > Have you tried typing lilo to effect your changes? > The problem the person had turned out to be shared memory for VGA. John
Re: [expert] Missing RAM - an old chestnut
I don't know why but on some systems you have to go one less than the number. Since below your total is (23 at boot plus 8 meg for video) 31 then try append="mem=31M" and rerun lilo. Then reboot. Regards Dan - Original Message - > > The crash came at re-boot time (after adjusting /etc/lilo.conf > and running Lilo). > The BIOS reports a full 32M. > > Having removed the "append" line in lilo.conf I'm back where I > was with 23M of RAM reported at the log-in screen. > The diagnosis that the on-board video card is grabbing 8MB sounds > right. > I append my lilo.conf file - any one see anything sinister about > it?
Re: [expert] Missing RAM - an old chestnut
The crash came at re-boot time (after adjusting /etc/lilo.conf and running Lilo). The BIOS reports a full 32M. Having removed the "append" line in lilo.conf I'm back where I was with 23M of RAM reported at the log-in screen. The diagnosis that the on-board video card is grabbing 8MB sounds right. I append my lilo.conf file - any one see anything sinister about it? Many thanks for all the help. Glyn M. - boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b vga=normal default=linux keytable=/boot/uk.klt prompt timeout=50 message=/boot/message other=/dev/fd0 label=floppy unsafe image=/boot/vmlinuz label=linux root=/dev/hda1 append="" read-only On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 08:16:29AM -0800, thus spake Civileme: > Glyn Millington wrote: > > > > Wow! I tried this and it threw > > > The kernel footprint is about 500K. This is not windows where it runs > about 4Mb (at least for NT) > > A kernel panic when? When you ran LILO? When you rebooted as well or > just when you rebooted? > > What does your BIOS say when it tests memory at the opening screen? > This sounds suspiciously like a memory problem. The kernel normally > accepts the amount of memory reported by the BIOS, and the append is to > workaround BIOSes that fail to report all of it, but almost always this > is upwards of 64M or 15 or 14M depending on whether the "hole" from > 15-16M is activated in the BIOS. > > Civileme > > -- ** * "The soul is greater than the hum of it's parts. " * * Douglas Hoftstatder* **
Re: [expert] Missing RAM - an old chestnut
Not only is it possible, it is in fact the case here! Should have remembered that this is the set-up - I'm going to add more memory soon, and it's not bad even now, but the inconsistency was worrying. Thanks to all for help with this. Glyn M. On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 08:27:59AM -0700, thus spake Russ Johnson: > Is it possible you have one of those systems that "shares" the ram with the > video? In that case, you're motherboard is using 8 megs of ram for video, > leaving you 23 megs for the system. > > Russ > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Glyn Millington > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 1:49 AM > To: Mandrake Expert > Subject: [expert] Missing RAM - an old chestnut > > > This is an old question but for me its a new machine. > > It's an AMd K6 450 with 32 mb RAM (soon to be increased!) > > On firing up Mandrake 7 (with kernel 2.2.15-0.18mdk), it tells me > I have 23MB ram. I've added > append = "mem=32m" > to lilo.conf with no effect. > Can anyone tell me what is going on here? > Is Linux not detecting the RAM? > Is it discounting space used by the kernel? > > I've trawled the docs but couldn't find any clues. > > TIA > > Glyn M. -- ** * "The soul is greater than the hum of it's parts. " * * Douglas Hoftstatder* **
RE: [expert] Missing RAM - an old chestnut
Russ Johnson said: > Is it possible you have one of those systems that "shares" the ram with the > video? In that case, you're motherboard is using 8 megs of ram for video, > leaving you 23 megs for the system. Good point. I had that problem until I used "mem=124M" because my onboard video uses 4M. -- Lane Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA Using Linux to get where I want to go...
Re: [expert] Missing RAM - an old chestnut
Have you tried typing lilo to effect your changes? On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, Glyn Millington wrote: > Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:48:45 +0100 > To: Mandrake Expert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: Glyn Millington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [expert] Missing RAM - an old chestnut > > This is an old question but for me its a new machine. > > It's an AMd K6 450 with 32 mb RAM (soon to be increased!) > > On firing up Mandrake 7 (with kernel 2.2.15-0.18mdk), it tells me > I have 23MB ram. I've added > append = "mem=32m" > to lilo.conf with no effect. > Can anyone tell me what is going on here? > Is Linux not detecting the RAM? > Is it discounting space used by the kernel? > > I've trawled the docs but couldn't find any clues. > > TIA > > Glyn M. > -- >** >* "The soul is greater than the hum of it's parts. " * >* Douglas Hoftstatder* >**
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Civileme wrote: > Glyn Millington wrote: > > > > Wow! I tried this and it threw > > The kernel footprint is about 500K. This is not windows where it runs > about 4Mb (at least for NT) As it turned out, he had a motherboard that shared system memory with the onboard video. Linux puked because he used LILO to report more available memory than actually existed. -Stephen-
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On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, Brian T. Schellenberger wrote: > > A guess: 8Meg for video ram (no seperate video memory) + 1Meg for the > 640k "regular" memory. (Thank you, Bill.) > Actually (and I don't like Micro$oft), Bill didn't have much to do with this. IBM designed the PC with 10 times as much memory as the then current machines (the z80, CP/M crowd), and use the area from 640K to the top, which was 1 megabyte, for video cards, BIOS, extra card bioses for scsi controllers, etc. MSDOS simply dealt with it. when Intel came out with the 286, it was really bad. MSDOS did not change to work with it (thanks, Bill). Third parties adapted to it, and M$ was brought along kicking and screaming. Windows started working with it, and now we have Windows 2000. Note that versions of Linux will run in as little as 4 megabytes, and do something useful. Not M$ products. bug
RE: [expert] Missing RAM - an old chestnut
Is it possible you have one of those systems that "shares" the ram with the video? In that case, you're motherboard is using 8 megs of ram for video, leaving you 23 megs for the system. Russ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Glyn Millington Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 1:49 AM To: Mandrake Expert Subject: [expert] Missing RAM - an old chestnut This is an old question but for me its a new machine. It's an AMd K6 450 with 32 mb RAM (soon to be increased!) On firing up Mandrake 7 (with kernel 2.2.15-0.18mdk), it tells me I have 23MB ram. I've added append = "mem=32m" to lilo.conf with no effect. Can anyone tell me what is going on here? Is Linux not detecting the RAM? Is it discounting space used by the kernel? I've trawled the docs but couldn't find any clues. TIA Glyn M. -- ** * "The soul is greater than the hum of it's parts. " * * Douglas Hoftstatder* **
Re: [expert] Missing RAM - an old chestnut
A guess: 8Meg for video ram (no seperate video memory) + 1Meg for the 640k "regular" memory. (Thank you, Bill.) On Thu, 06 Apr 2000, you wrote: | Wow! I tried this and it threw my kernel into a panic - had to | dig out the rescue disk etc. My first real emergency! | | I'm only guessing - is the kernel using up 9 MB? and panics when | not allowed that space? | All explantions welcome! | | TIA | | Glyn | | | | | | On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 06:48:11AM -0400, thus spake Dan Westlake: | > Hi Glyn | > | > Change it to append ="mem=32M" then type lilo to run the change and | > reboot. | > > | > > It's an AMd K6 450 with 32 mb RAM (soon to be increased!) | > > | > > On firing up Mandrake 7 (with kernel 2.2.15-0.18mdk), it tells me | > > I have 23MB ram. I've added | > > append = "mem=32m" | > > to lilo.conf with no effect. | > > Can anyone tell me what is going on here? | > > Is Linux not detecting the RAM? | > > Is it discounting space used by the kernel? | > > | > > I've trawled the docs but couldn't find any clues. | > > | > > TIA | > > | > > Glyn M. | -- |** |* "The soul is greater than the hum of it's parts. " * |* Douglas Hoftstatder* |** -- "Brian, the man from babbleon-on" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian T. Schellenberger http://www.babbleon.org Support http://www.eff.org. Support decss defendents. Support http://www.programming-freedom.org. Boycott amazon.com.
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Glyn Millington wrote: > > Wow! I tried this and it threw The kernel footprint is about 500K. This is not windows where it runs about 4Mb (at least for NT) A kernel panic when? When you ran LILO? When you rebooted as well or just when you rebooted? What does your BIOS say when it tests memory at the opening screen? This sounds suspiciously like a memory problem. The kernel normally accepts the amount of memory reported by the BIOS, and the append is to workaround BIOSes that fail to report all of it, but almost always this is upwards of 64M or 15 or 14M depending on whether the "hole" from 15-16M is activated in the BIOS. Civileme
Re: [expert] Missing RAM - an old chestnut
That's it - the graphics board uses 8MB. Thanks for this; glad I don't need to play with Lilo any more! TVM Glyn M. On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 03:32:29PM +0200, thus spake Wolfgang Bornath: > On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 09:48 +0100, Glyn Millington wrote: > > This is an old question but for me its a new machine. > > > > It's an AMd K6 450 with 32 mb RAM (soon to be increased!) > > > > On firing up Mandrake 7 (with kernel 2.2.15-0.18mdk), it tells me > > I have 23MB ram. I've added > > append = "mem=32m" > > to lilo.conf with no effect. > > Try Dan's advice (mem=32M, run /sbin/lilo after change). If that > is not the solution then look at your graphics board. Does it > have all it's memory on the board or does it use a part of RAM? > Some graphics boards use 8 or 16M of the system's memory so you > have to substract that amount from RAM. > > wobo > -- > GPG-Fingerprint: FE5A 0891 7027 8D1B 4E3F 73C1 AD9B D732 A698 82EE > For Public Key mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: GPG-Request > --- > ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html -- ** * "The soul is greater than the hum of it's parts. " * * Douglas Hoftstatder* **
Re: [expert] Missing RAM - an old chestnut
On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 09:48 +0100, Glyn Millington wrote: > This is an old question but for me its a new machine. > > It's an AMd K6 450 with 32 mb RAM (soon to be increased!) > > On firing up Mandrake 7 (with kernel 2.2.15-0.18mdk), it tells me > I have 23MB ram. I've added > append = "mem=32m" > to lilo.conf with no effect. Try Dan's advice (mem=32M, run /sbin/lilo after change). If that is not the solution then look at your graphics board. Does it have all it's memory on the board or does it use a part of RAM? Some graphics boards use 8 or 16M of the system's memory so you have to substract that amount from RAM. wobo -- GPG-Fingerprint: FE5A 0891 7027 8D1B 4E3F 73C1 AD9B D732 A698 82EE For Public Key mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: GPG-Request --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html
Re: [expert] Missing RAM - an old chestnut
Wow! I tried this and it threw my kernel into a panic - had to dig out the rescue disk etc. My first real emergency! I'm only guessing - is the kernel using up 9 MB? and panics when not allowed that space? All explantions welcome! TIA Glyn On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 06:48:11AM -0400, thus spake Dan Westlake: > Hi Glyn > > Change it to append ="mem=32M" then type lilo to run the change and > reboot. > > > > It's an AMd K6 450 with 32 mb RAM (soon to be increased!) > > > > On firing up Mandrake 7 (with kernel 2.2.15-0.18mdk), it tells me > > I have 23MB ram. I've added > > append = "mem=32m" > > to lilo.conf with no effect. > > Can anyone tell me what is going on here? > > Is Linux not detecting the RAM? > > Is it discounting space used by the kernel? > > > > I've trawled the docs but couldn't find any clues. > > > > TIA > > > > Glyn M. -- ** * "The soul is greater than the hum of it's parts. " * * Douglas Hoftstatder* **
RE: [expert] Missing RAM - an old chestnut
Hve you restarted Lilo??? Regards Fred de Klein tel: 01908 656106 (w) 0780 8254445(mob) http://www.bigfoot.com/~klein_it <http://www.bigfoot.com/~klein_it> -Original Message- From: Glyn Millington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 06 April 2000 09:49 To: Mandrake Expert Subject: [expert] Missing RAM - an old chestnut This is an old question but for me its a new machine. It's an AMd K6 450 with 32 mb RAM (soon to be increased!) On firing up Mandrake 7 (with kernel 2.2.15-0.18mdk), it tells me I have 23MB ram. I've added append = "mem=32m" to lilo.conf with no effect. Can anyone tell me what is going on here? Is Linux not detecting the RAM? Is it discounting space used by the kernel? I've trawled the docs but couldn't find any clues. TIA Glyn M. -- ** * "The soul is greater than the hum of it's parts. " * * Douglas Hoftstatder* **
Re: [expert] Missing RAM - an old chestnut
Hi Glyn Change it to append ="mem=32M" then type lilo to run the change and reboot. - Original Message - > This is an old question but for me its a new machine. > > It's an AMd K6 450 with 32 mb RAM (soon to be increased!) > > On firing up Mandrake 7 (with kernel 2.2.15-0.18mdk), it tells me > I have 23MB ram. I've added > append = "mem=32m" > to lilo.conf with no effect. > Can anyone tell me what is going on here? > Is Linux not detecting the RAM? > Is it discounting space used by the kernel? > > I've trawled the docs but couldn't find any clues. > > TIA > > Glyn M. > -- >** >* "The soul is greater than the hum of it's parts. " * >* Douglas Hoftstatder* >**
[expert] Missing RAM - an old chestnut
This is an old question but for me its a new machine. It's an AMd K6 450 with 32 mb RAM (soon to be increased!) On firing up Mandrake 7 (with kernel 2.2.15-0.18mdk), it tells me I have 23MB ram. I've added append = "mem=32m" to lilo.conf with no effect. Can anyone tell me what is going on here? Is Linux not detecting the RAM? Is it discounting space used by the kernel? I've trawled the docs but couldn't find any clues. TIA Glyn M. -- ** * "The soul is greater than the hum of it's parts. " * * Douglas Hoftstatder* **
