RE: [expert] OT: any quality PC keyboards?
Hey I just found this at buy.com: IBM 101 ENHANCED AT KEYBOARD 101 KEYS ($68.95) Your keyboard is your direct line of communication with your PC. It can affect your comfort, productivity, and even the quality or your work. That's why it's important to select a keyboard carefully. Evaluate all your options, and you won't find a better choice for your money than this keyboard. The Enhanced Keyboard is IBM's classic 101-key keyboard featuring patented buckling-spring technology that gives extraordinarily positive, tactile feedback. The incredibly sturdy construction makes it IBM's most rugged keyboard. Thought this might be of interest since so many noted that they thought the classic IBM keyboard was great. Norm
RE: [expert] OT: any quality PC keyboards?
Thanks to all those that responded (both on the list and privately)! I agree that the M$ keyboards feel fairly good, but I want a normal keyboard because I switch around from time to time. When I end up on one of the split-hand M$ keyboards I can barely type. Don't want to end up that way with a normal keyboard. I did find that insight lists a number of IBM keyboards. Unfortuntely, I could not find any info about them on either insight's or ibm's sites. One is $120 and another is $140, so I am guessing these are not junky keyboards. But how would I know. Unless I can find one to look at, I wouldn't want to order it. Thanks, Norm
Re: [expert] OT: any quality PC keyboards?
I used to use a M$ Natural, which worked well for me. I have a partially shattered elbow, which makes a normal 104 key keyboard very uncomfortable after about 5 minutes. The keyboard which I use now, is a PFU Happy Hacking Lite keyboard. Nice and small, and I can absolutely fly on this thing, now that I am used to the layout, which is a little different. I don't have the url for their website, but they may be worth checking out for you. FWIW, they also make a more expensive version that can be used with either a Sun/Mac/PC, but it is around $130US. Monte -- __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
RE: [expert] OT: any quality PC keyboards? (oh GOD no M$)
Oh God - the M$ keyboard where do I begin?? The stupid tiny 'delete' key is right next to the 'page up' and 'page down' keys, etc etc. It's also created such that it's supposed to fit 'everyone' - you can't move the keyboard keys closer or farther apart. I really wish I could still use the apple design keyboards that were all the rage a few years ago. Everyone I knew that had one loved it. &J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Fran Parker Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 4:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] OT: any quality PC keyboards? I use the M$ keyboard at home and like it, have used many different ones at work. One of the best, in my opinion, is the Alps, it is expensive for a keyboard, but it has a lifetime warranty and they replace it for free if it screws up or gets screwed up. No questions. (At least that is how it was a couple years ago) Bambi Cokey de Percin wrote: > Daryl Pawluk wrote: > > > > Norman Carver wrote: > > > > > I am planning on gradually migrating most of my work > > > from a Sun Ultra 5 to a Dell 850 P-III, but one of the > > > things that I find annoying is how much better the Sun > > > keyboard is. I am talking here about feel mainly--the > > > keys feel smooth with good touch feedback and they are > > > quiet. The Dell keyboard by contrast feels and sounds > > > cheap--and is *much* less pleasant to type on (e.g., if > > > you hit the ctrl or alt keys off center they stick going > > > down). > > > > > > I went around and looked at whether anyone else here had > > > a better keyboard. No. I also went to Staples and tried > > > several Micro, Logitech, and even M$ keyboards. None came > > > anywhere close to the Sun. They all feel pretty cheap, > > > are noisy (keys rattle when you type fast), or have weird key > > > shapes (e.g., very short). The best was the cheapest--the > > > Micro unit. The rest seem to have put their money into adding > > > useless "Internet ready" buttons all over the things instead of > > > producing a quality keyboard! > > > > > > So my question is, does anyone know of a PC keyboard that > > > is comparable in quality/feel to what Sun provides? I'm sure > > > that Sun is just buying them from some keyboard maker. Who > > > is it?? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Norm > > > > i have had the same complaint for years. i used to like the ibm pc > > keyboard. a very nice quality keyboard but impossible to get unless you > > junked an ibm pc. there are probably lots around now. but i've since > > switched to the micrsoft keyboards. i have a pro right now and am happy > > with it. i like the split, but the keys are not like the ibm. if you > > look inside you'll see why. logitech makes all microsoft stuff - > > keyboards and mice. > > > > however when lexmark split off from ibm they offered the pc keyboard as > > a separate product. i don't know if they still do. the stuff that ibm > > sells now in ther computer stores is crap. > > > > but to answer your question, no i don't know because i've never seen a > > sun anything. but the old ibm terminal and pc keyboards are top notch. > > There's lots of the older IBM keyboards around and that's all I use. > They're tough and have a nice touch (at least for me). Many of the used > PC places have them; usually boxes of them for $5 each. > > Best > > Cokey > > -- > -- > Cokey de Percin, DBAEmail: > Policy Management Systems Corp. Work - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Columbia, South Carolina Home - [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: [expert] OT: any quality PC keyboards?
I use the M$ keyboard at home and like it, have used many different ones at work. One of the best, in my opinion, is the Alps, it is expensive for a keyboard, but it has a lifetime warranty and they replace it for free if it screws up or gets screwed up. No questions. (At least that is how it was a couple years ago) Bambi Cokey de Percin wrote: > Daryl Pawluk wrote: > > > > Norman Carver wrote: > > > > > I am planning on gradually migrating most of my work > > > from a Sun Ultra 5 to a Dell 850 P-III, but one of the > > > things that I find annoying is how much better the Sun > > > keyboard is. I am talking here about feel mainly--the > > > keys feel smooth with good touch feedback and they are > > > quiet. The Dell keyboard by contrast feels and sounds > > > cheap--and is *much* less pleasant to type on (e.g., if > > > you hit the ctrl or alt keys off center they stick going > > > down). > > > > > > I went around and looked at whether anyone else here had > > > a better keyboard. No. I also went to Staples and tried > > > several Micro, Logitech, and even M$ keyboards. None came > > > anywhere close to the Sun. They all feel pretty cheap, > > > are noisy (keys rattle when you type fast), or have weird key > > > shapes (e.g., very short). The best was the cheapest--the > > > Micro unit. The rest seem to have put their money into adding > > > useless "Internet ready" buttons all over the things instead of > > > producing a quality keyboard! > > > > > > So my question is, does anyone know of a PC keyboard that > > > is comparable in quality/feel to what Sun provides? I'm sure > > > that Sun is just buying them from some keyboard maker. Who > > > is it?? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Norm > > > > i have had the same complaint for years. i used to like the ibm pc > > keyboard. a very nice quality keyboard but impossible to get unless you > > junked an ibm pc. there are probably lots around now. but i've since > > switched to the micrsoft keyboards. i have a pro right now and am happy > > with it. i like the split, but the keys are not like the ibm. if you > > look inside you'll see why. logitech makes all microsoft stuff - > > keyboards and mice. > > > > however when lexmark split off from ibm they offered the pc keyboard as > > a separate product. i don't know if they still do. the stuff that ibm > > sells now in ther computer stores is crap. > > > > but to answer your question, no i don't know because i've never seen a > > sun anything. but the old ibm terminal and pc keyboards are top notch. > > There's lots of the older IBM keyboards around and that's all I use. > They're tough and have a nice touch (at least for me). Many of the used > PC places have them; usually boxes of them for $5 each. > > Best > > Cokey > > -- > -- > Cokey de Percin, DBAEmail: > Policy Management Systems Corp. Work - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Columbia, South Carolina Home - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] OT: any quality PC keyboards?
Daryl Pawluk wrote: > > Norman Carver wrote: > > > I am planning on gradually migrating most of my work > > from a Sun Ultra 5 to a Dell 850 P-III, but one of the > > things that I find annoying is how much better the Sun > > keyboard is. I am talking here about feel mainly--the > > keys feel smooth with good touch feedback and they are > > quiet. The Dell keyboard by contrast feels and sounds > > cheap--and is *much* less pleasant to type on (e.g., if > > you hit the ctrl or alt keys off center they stick going > > down). > > > > I went around and looked at whether anyone else here had > > a better keyboard. No. I also went to Staples and tried > > several Micro, Logitech, and even M$ keyboards. None came > > anywhere close to the Sun. They all feel pretty cheap, > > are noisy (keys rattle when you type fast), or have weird key > > shapes (e.g., very short). The best was the cheapest--the > > Micro unit. The rest seem to have put their money into adding > > useless "Internet ready" buttons all over the things instead of > > producing a quality keyboard! > > > > So my question is, does anyone know of a PC keyboard that > > is comparable in quality/feel to what Sun provides? I'm sure > > that Sun is just buying them from some keyboard maker. Who > > is it?? > > > > Thanks, > > Norm > > i have had the same complaint for years. i used to like the ibm pc > keyboard. a very nice quality keyboard but impossible to get unless you > junked an ibm pc. there are probably lots around now. but i've since > switched to the micrsoft keyboards. i have a pro right now and am happy > with it. i like the split, but the keys are not like the ibm. if you > look inside you'll see why. logitech makes all microsoft stuff - > keyboards and mice. > > however when lexmark split off from ibm they offered the pc keyboard as > a separate product. i don't know if they still do. the stuff that ibm > sells now in ther computer stores is crap. > > but to answer your question, no i don't know because i've never seen a > sun anything. but the old ibm terminal and pc keyboards are top notch. There's lots of the older IBM keyboards around and that's all I use. They're tough and have a nice touch (at least for me). Many of the used PC places have them; usually boxes of them for $5 each. Best Cokey -- -- Cokey de Percin, DBAEmail: Policy Management Systems Corp. Work - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Columbia, South Carolina Home - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [expert] OT: any quality PC keyboards?
I bought an IBM Rapid Access II keyboard and feels good. I am also one of those picky types when it comes to keyboards ;) Although mine seems to have a sticky shift key :( And I've always liked keytronics before but I do not know how good their latest models are. Thanks... Dan.
RE: [expert] OT: any quality PC keyboards?
Honestly i use a M$ natural at home and a keytronic at work. I like both. I sell computers so i get to test all kinds of stuff. deb -Original Message- From: Sparks, Charley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 10:39 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; Norman Carver Subject: RE: [expert] OT: any quality PC keyboards? Sun makes a sweet USB keyboard.. I have one on the SunRay here in the office Charley -Original Message- From: Daryl Pawluk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 11:26 AM To: Norman Carver Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] OT: any quality PC keyboards? Norman Carver wrote: > I am planning on gradually migrating most of my work > from a Sun Ultra 5 to a Dell 850 P-III, but one of the > things that I find annoying is how much better the Sun > keyboard is. I am talking here about feel mainly--the > keys feel smooth with good touch feedback and they are > quiet. The Dell keyboard by contrast feels and sounds > cheap--and is *much* less pleasant to type on (e.g., if > you hit the ctrl or alt keys off center they stick going > down). > > I went around and looked at whether anyone else here had > a better keyboard. No. I also went to Staples and tried > several Micro, Logitech, and even M$ keyboards. None came > anywhere close to the Sun. They all feel pretty cheap, > are noisy (keys rattle when you type fast), or have weird key > shapes (e.g., very short). The best was the cheapest--the > Micro unit. The rest seem to have put their money into adding > useless "Internet ready" buttons all over the things instead of > producing a quality keyboard! > > So my question is, does anyone know of a PC keyboard that > is comparable in quality/feel to what Sun provides? I'm sure > that Sun is just buying them from some keyboard maker. Who > is it?? > > Thanks, > Norm i have had the same complaint for years. i used to like the ibm pc keyboard. a very nice quality keyboard but impossible to get unless you junked an ibm pc. there are probably lots around now. but i've since switched to the micrsoft keyboards. i have a pro right now and am happy with it. i like the split, but the keys are not like the ibm. if you look inside you'll see why. logitech makes all microsoft stuff - keyboards and mice. however when lexmark split off from ibm they offered the pc keyboard as a separate product. i don't know if they still do. the stuff that ibm sells now in ther computer stores is crap. but to answer your question, no i don't know because i've never seen a sun anything. but the old ibm terminal and pc keyboards are top notch.
RE: [expert] OT: any quality PC keyboards?
Where can I buy one from? Do they take checks? On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, you wrote: > Sun makes a sweet USB keyboard.. I have one on the SunRay here in the office > > Charley > -Original Message- > From: Daryl Pawluk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 11:26 AM > To: Norman Carver > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [expert] OT: any quality PC keyboards? > > > Norman Carver wrote: > > > I am planning on gradually migrating most of my work > > from a Sun Ultra 5 to a Dell 850 P-III, but one of the > > things that I find annoying is how much better the Sun > > keyboard is. I am talking here about feel mainly--the > > keys feel smooth with good touch feedback and they are > > quiet. The Dell keyboard by contrast feels and sounds > > cheap--and is *much* less pleasant to type on (e.g., if > > you hit the ctrl or alt keys off center they stick going > > down). > > > > I went around and looked at whether anyone else here had > > a better keyboard. No. I also went to Staples and tried > > several Micro, Logitech, and even M$ keyboards. None came > > anywhere close to the Sun. They all feel pretty cheap, > > are noisy (keys rattle when you type fast), or have weird key > > shapes (e.g., very short). The best was the cheapest--the > > Micro unit. The rest seem to have put their money into adding > > useless "Internet ready" buttons all over the things instead of > > producing a quality keyboard! > > > > So my question is, does anyone know of a PC keyboard that > > is comparable in quality/feel to what Sun provides? I'm sure > > that Sun is just buying them from some keyboard maker. Who > > is it?? > > > > Thanks, > > Norm > > i have had the same complaint for years. i used to like the ibm pc > keyboard. a very nice quality keyboard but impossible to get unless you > junked an ibm pc. there are probably lots around now. but i've since > switched to the micrsoft keyboards. i have a pro right now and am happy > with it. i like the split, but the keys are not like the ibm. if you > look inside you'll see why. logitech makes all microsoft stuff - > keyboards and mice. > > however when lexmark split off from ibm they offered the pc keyboard as > a separate product. i don't know if they still do. the stuff that ibm > sells now in ther computer stores is crap. > > but to answer your question, no i don't know because i've never seen a > sun anything. but the old ibm terminal and pc keyboards are top notch.
RE: [expert] OT: any quality PC keyboards?
Sun makes a sweet USB keyboard.. I have one on the SunRay here in the office Charley -Original Message- From: Daryl Pawluk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 11:26 AM To: Norman Carver Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] OT: any quality PC keyboards? Norman Carver wrote: > I am planning on gradually migrating most of my work > from a Sun Ultra 5 to a Dell 850 P-III, but one of the > things that I find annoying is how much better the Sun > keyboard is. I am talking here about feel mainly--the > keys feel smooth with good touch feedback and they are > quiet. The Dell keyboard by contrast feels and sounds > cheap--and is *much* less pleasant to type on (e.g., if > you hit the ctrl or alt keys off center they stick going > down). > > I went around and looked at whether anyone else here had > a better keyboard. No. I also went to Staples and tried > several Micro, Logitech, and even M$ keyboards. None came > anywhere close to the Sun. They all feel pretty cheap, > are noisy (keys rattle when you type fast), or have weird key > shapes (e.g., very short). The best was the cheapest--the > Micro unit. The rest seem to have put their money into adding > useless "Internet ready" buttons all over the things instead of > producing a quality keyboard! > > So my question is, does anyone know of a PC keyboard that > is comparable in quality/feel to what Sun provides? I'm sure > that Sun is just buying them from some keyboard maker. Who > is it?? > > Thanks, > Norm i have had the same complaint for years. i used to like the ibm pc keyboard. a very nice quality keyboard but impossible to get unless you junked an ibm pc. there are probably lots around now. but i've since switched to the micrsoft keyboards. i have a pro right now and am happy with it. i like the split, but the keys are not like the ibm. if you look inside you'll see why. logitech makes all microsoft stuff - keyboards and mice. however when lexmark split off from ibm they offered the pc keyboard as a separate product. i don't know if they still do. the stuff that ibm sells now in ther computer stores is crap. but to answer your question, no i don't know because i've never seen a sun anything. but the old ibm terminal and pc keyboards are top notch.
Re: [expert] OT: any quality PC keyboards?
Norman Carver wrote: > I am planning on gradually migrating most of my work > from a Sun Ultra 5 to a Dell 850 P-III, but one of the > things that I find annoying is how much better the Sun > keyboard is. I am talking here about feel mainly--the > keys feel smooth with good touch feedback and they are > quiet. The Dell keyboard by contrast feels and sounds > cheap--and is *much* less pleasant to type on (e.g., if > you hit the ctrl or alt keys off center they stick going > down). > > I went around and looked at whether anyone else here had > a better keyboard. No. I also went to Staples and tried > several Micro, Logitech, and even M$ keyboards. None came > anywhere close to the Sun. They all feel pretty cheap, > are noisy (keys rattle when you type fast), or have weird key > shapes (e.g., very short). The best was the cheapest--the > Micro unit. The rest seem to have put their money into adding > useless "Internet ready" buttons all over the things instead of > producing a quality keyboard! > > So my question is, does anyone know of a PC keyboard that > is comparable in quality/feel to what Sun provides? I'm sure > that Sun is just buying them from some keyboard maker. Who > is it?? > > Thanks, > Norm i have had the same complaint for years. i used to like the ibm pc keyboard. a very nice quality keyboard but impossible to get unless you junked an ibm pc. there are probably lots around now. but i've since switched to the micrsoft keyboards. i have a pro right now and am happy with it. i like the split, but the keys are not like the ibm. if you look inside you'll see why. logitech makes all microsoft stuff - keyboards and mice. however when lexmark split off from ibm they offered the pc keyboard as a separate product. i don't know if they still do. the stuff that ibm sells now in ther computer stores is crap. but to answer your question, no i don't know because i've never seen a sun anything. but the old ibm terminal and pc keyboards are top notch.
[expert] OT: any quality PC keyboards?
I am planning on gradually migrating most of my work from a Sun Ultra 5 to a Dell 850 P-III, but one of the things that I find annoying is how much better the Sun keyboard is. I am talking here about feel mainly--the keys feel smooth with good touch feedback and they are quiet. The Dell keyboard by contrast feels and sounds cheap--and is *much* less pleasant to type on (e.g., if you hit the ctrl or alt keys off center they stick going down). I went around and looked at whether anyone else here had a better keyboard. No. I also went to Staples and tried several Micro, Logitech, and even M$ keyboards. None came anywhere close to the Sun. They all feel pretty cheap, are noisy (keys rattle when you type fast), or have weird key shapes (e.g., very short). The best was the cheapest--the Micro unit. The rest seem to have put their money into adding useless "Internet ready" buttons all over the things instead of producing a quality keyboard! So my question is, does anyone know of a PC keyboard that is comparable in quality/feel to what Sun provides? I'm sure that Sun is just buying them from some keyboard maker. Who is it?? Thanks, Norm
