Re: [expert] Re: Best Video cards for Linux?

2001-11-13 Thread John Haywood

On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 02:56, you wrote:
> First of all I must say I am not an nvidia fanatic or
> so, I dont like the drivers be closed-source either.
> But I believe that nvidia cards are the best opengl
> cards around,and despite the source is closed, nvidia
> is doing a great job for linux. For the following,
> there are things to be corrected. All I am saying here
> have been tested with nvidia tnt2 ultra, geforce DDR
> and geforce 2 MX.

Back to the original question: Best Video Cards for Linux:

nVidia uses either unaccelerated , 2-D only drivers which *are* supported
or
closed-source drivers from nVidia which are *not* supported (by either the 
distro vendor or nVidia)

Now, not to say that the closed-source drivers do not work - there are tons 
of people who have working, accelerated nVidia cards running under various 
distros. (note that there are also tons of people who cannot make the driver 
work no matter how hard they try. 
This is logical given all the various models, RAM configs & BIOS revs. of the 
cards themselves, plus all the mobos & other paraphenalia that make up the 
h/w config itself.

The implications for this are simple, however - if you want support under 
Linux, from either your distro vendor or the card vendor, an nVIDIA will not, 
at the current time,  give you this.
If you're happy tweaking, trawling the net, and (small percentage), having to 
give up, then the nVIDIA cards can provide a ripper of a card
-- 
john in syd



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[expert] Re: Best Video cards for Linux?

2001-11-13 Thread Onur Kucuk


 Hello

First of all I must say I am not an nvidia fanatic or
so, I dont like the drivers be closed-source either.
But I believe that nvidia cards are the best opengl
cards around,and despite the source is closed, nvidia
is doing a great job for linux. For the following,
there are things to be corrected. All I am saying here
have been tested with nvidia tnt2 ultra, geforce DDR
and geforce 2 MX.

 
> Well i dont now if i have good understand, butt
> someone has tell You to buy 
> NVidia?
> 
> No!

I personally advice to buy a geforce 2 mx. I am using
an Aska geforce 2mx, and superb performance, and the
price is very very good.
 
> As You now NVidia is giving binary drivers. It means
> that only nvidia can 
> track and remove bugs, make new versions of that
> drivers.

Sure, but what problem is there, that they dont fix?
they put drivers for every distro, they correct all
the problems I hear of, etc.

> It is realy bad! Look - for example rivafb. If You
> use that framebuffer 
> console and nvidia drivers then after every
> ctrl-alt-Fx your desktop looks 
> like sh***, if You be able to see it ;)

I never ever had such a problem in many distro's I
have used lately, mandrake to slackware, redhat to any
other. MDK 8.0 nothing such happened ( I switch
between X and pure console so many times )

 
> And - there is NO framebuffer support in kernel for
> geforces XXX. U will must 
> use text-console.

Then what is the framebuffer console I have been using
here ? I am using 1024x768 framebuffer console and I
did not do anything to configure it. It is written in
lilo, and it works. So does kernel support it.

> Look on radeon - radeonfb - it is and works. DRI/DRM
> - works, and is 
> developeded, bugtracked by people from all over the
> world.


Nvidia support seemed fine to me till now, if it will
change I will let you ppl know about it.
 

> Let me show You some MPlayer manual fragments! :
> 
> I
> "2.2.1.2.3. nVidia cards
> nVidia isn't a very good choice under Linux.. You'll
> have to use the binary 
> nVidia driver, available at nVidia's website. The
> standard X driver doesn't 
> support XVideo for these cards, due to nVidia's
> closed 
> sources/specifications."


Then how am I able to use xine with Xv extensions ?
XShm works fine too.

> II
> "Q:
>  OpenGL (-vo gl) output doesn't work (hangup/black
> window/X11 errors/...). 
> A:
>  Your opengl driver doesn't support dynamic texture
> changes (glTexSubImage) 
> It's known not to work with nVidia's binary shit.
> It's known to work with 
> Utah-GLX/DRI and Matrox G400 card. Also with DRI and
> Radeon card. It won't 
> work with DRI others than these. it will not work
> with 3DFX cards because the 
> 256x256 texture size limit."

That sounded tooo funny to me :) Nvidia's linux
drivers are written by nvidia and silicon graphics,
who created the openGL, so please dont tell me they
forgot to put support for this extension. Besides
that, if I am right, nvidia's drivers are the first
that supports openGL 1.3 ICD, even before mesa.

 
> III
> "Q:
>  I have an nVidia XYZ card, and when I click on the
> GUI's diplay window to 
> toggle displaying the GUI panel, a black square
> appears where I clicked. I 
> have the newest driver. 
> A:
>  Yes, nvidia corrected a previous bug (above), and
> implemented a new one. 
> Let's congratule them."
> 
> etc. etc. ;)))

Is there anyone out there, who can prove it is a bug
of nvidia, but not mplayer ? Why does it happen only
at mplayer ? I dont know it may be nvidia's fault, but
why is it only happening at mplayer...

And after all these, I must remind you a quote. Dont
believe everything you read or hear. Isn't it the
mplayer, who refuses to compile on gcc 2.96 saying it
skips mmx codes etc. ? Read the articles around the
world about this, and some a few of mplayer. They do a
good job, I agree, but not everyone is perfect.

 
> So, better buy Radeon. NVidia works butt you just
> cant now how long and how 
> good. That is my opinion.
> 
> 
> Regards Gniazdowski.
 
These were my opinions and proofs of some stuff. I
believe you dont have an nvidia card, so please give
up talking about stuff that you dont know, even if you
are trying to help. That will quicken things.

 Respect
 Onur Kucuk



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