Re: [expert] Re: tracking employees

2000-08-14 Thread tom strickland

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What you need to do is this:

Draft up a 'charter' for the use of the Internet within the company.

Make sure that this charter contains clauses such as "All Internet
resources are to be used for Company businss only", "The Company
reserves the right to monitor any and all Internet traffic to and from
the Company's site", "All e-mails to or from the Company's network are
the property of the Company", and "Failure to adhere to these clauses
may result in disciplinary action - serious breaches may result in the
employee's dismissal".

Issue a copy of this charter to any employees who may use the system,
and have them sign and return it to you.

You may wish to make this charter part of the employee's contract of
employment - many companies do in the UK.

This is exactly what I had in mind. As I've already made clear, I have  a 
much bigger problem with companies that don't clarify things in this way, 
allowing the company to gather data on their (admittedly naive) employees. I 
will make sure that everyone understands the situation - as you say, most 
will understand once things are explained.

Although some people talk of posting such logs on Company Intranet
sites, etc., this can sometimes be more trouble than it is worth.  Say
for example, an employee logs into a child pornography site - do you
really want that appearing to all your employees at your site, or would
you rather just quietly gather the information/evidence that you need in
order to assist the police in prosecution?  Also, by publishing the
logs, people can not only see what you are logging, but more
importantly, they can see what you are NOT logging.

Good point, I'll have to think about this.

Another aspect to consider is this.  I did not have time to check all
the logs, all the time.  I was often working over ninety hours a week as
it was - I was responsible for a WAN that covered sites up to 200 miles
away, and was on call 24/7.  So, I set up a random schedule of checking
a particular set of logs for a week or so, then changing to a different
set, etc.  I also allowed rumors to spread that I was logging/monitoring
more than I really was...

One problem: I have tried to set the network up to run as autonomously as 
possible. The logging has to be accessible to the Director, rather than 
myself, and possibly maintained by the information officer, so I do need a 
script to publish to the intranet or email the logs in some form. Perhaps a 
collation utility as well, to view monthly stats. I see your point when it 
comes to staff being able to find holes in the logging system, but without 
me being around to remind them that 'I can see you', they may forget. 
Everyone being able to see everyone will ensure that *no-one* forgets.

Anyway, the original post was more a question as to how to set this up 
inside the computer, rather than office protocol. I'm interested in scripts 
to monitor the traffic across a PPP connection, perhaps collate them and 
display them on the web.
Any ideas?
Thanks,

Tom


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[expert] Re: tracking employees

2000-08-13 Thread tom strickland

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Since company time is an issue, you might want to consider blocking sports
sites, chat rooms, games, and maybe even porn sites. People are human and
it wouldn't be the first time an employee had a little fun on company time.
Then, if you still want to track them set an invisible cookie that can't be
disabled in  the browser.

Blocking software tends to either miss things that should be blocked or 
blocks the wrong things, so I'm trying to avoid that.

I'm curious about English law and not trying to insult you or start a flame
war. I'm in the US and am sure we have privacy groups that would complain
loudly about tracking an employee's viewing habits unless it was porn.

What is your countries policy on tracking employee web surfing?


I feel much the same way. The principle problem is money - it still costs a 
great deal to connect an office to the internet during the day through 
dialup. We really need to keep costs down and the Internet will only push 
them up. If we had a permanent connection to the Internet, I would feel 
worse about doing this, but I don't see any other way of going about it. I 
agree with you in spirit about the privacy principle, but don't see how it 
can be reconciled with the fact that employees shouldn't be using company 
time for ANY personal browsing. A clear privacy policy will be drawn up. 
There are other situations that would make me feel more uncomfortable:
1) Tracking employees, not telling (or reminding) them of this and using 
this tracking to deduce private information, such as political affiliation, 
sexual orientation...
2) Tracking of people online in a more general way. I'm worried about a 
possible employer being able to buy information about my browsing habits 
from the internet tracking firms, such as DoubleClick. I hasten to add that 
I think that there are much worse people than DoubleClick out there, 
possibly because DoubleClick are most in the public glare.

In short, I think that there is no enshrined right of privacy over here, but 
I don't think that one exists in the US either. If anything, the European 
Union is doing more to solve this, with privacy regulation that would cover 
this and, more importantly, case (2) above.

tom


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Re: [expert] Re: tracking employees

2000-08-13 Thread Bruce E. Harris

I work for the US government (active duty USAF) and all telephone have stickers
and every start up computer screen, and paperwork we sign, clear states
government/office equipment is for official use only, and any use is consent to
monitoring. This policy does cut down non work related surfing and gives
management legal tools to punish.

Best Regards, Bruce




Re: [expert] Re: tracking employees

2000-08-13 Thread Austin L. Denyer (SysAdmin.) as root

Hi.

Maybe I could help to clarify this a little.  Although I now live in the
USA, I was born and raised in the UK, and lived there until I emigrated
six months ago.  While I was in the UK I worked as a Network
Administrator, and had to consider a similar situation - many bosses
forget that Network Administrators also need to be legal experts ;-D

As far as I could figure, the situation in the UK was that your company
can basically track/log/view anything they want to, as long as the
employees are aware that this can happen.

What you need to do is this:

Draft up a 'charter' for the use of the Internet within the company.

Make sure that this charter contains clauses such as "All Internet
resources are to be used for Company businss only", "The Company
reserves the right to monitor any and all Internet traffic to and from
the Company's site", "All e-mails to or from the Company's network are
the property of the Company", and "Failure to adhere to these clauses
may result in disciplinary action - serious breaches may result in the
employee's dismissal".

Issue a copy of this charter to any employees who may use the system,
and have them sign and return it to you.

You may wish to make this charter part of the employee's contract of
employment - many companies do in the UK.

Although some people talk of posting such logs on Company Intranet
sites, etc., this can sometimes be more trouble than it is worth.  Say
for example, an employee logs into a child pornography site - do you
really want that appearing to all your employees at your site, or would
you rather just quietly gather the information/evidence that you need in
order to assist the police in prosecution?  Also, by publishing the
logs, people can not only see what you are logging, but more
importantly, they can see what you are NOT logging.

Another aspect to consider is this.  I did not have time to check all
the logs, all the time.  I was often working over ninety hours a week as
it was - I was responsible for a WAN that covered sites up to 200 miles
away, and was on call 24/7.  So, I set up a random schedule of checking
a particular set of logs for a week or so, then changing to a different
set, etc.  I also allowed rumors to spread that I was logging/monitoring
more than I really was...

Although some employees started to view me as the classic "Bastard
Operator From Hell", these were very much in the minority - most
supported my actions, especially once the reasons were explained to
them.

You also need to make sure that you do act on breaches.  For example, I
once caught a fairly senior manager e-mailing a movie file clip to a
co-worker.  This movie clip portrayed some extreme sado-masochistic
pornography.  Now, I was actually fairly friendly with this manager, but
I could not allow such material to circulate on the company networks, so
I had to take the necessary disciplinary action with the employees
involved.  At the time, the company only had 64K ISDN access to the
Internet and their own WAN, and the thing that alerted me in this case
was the sudden chronic drop in network performance as this file was
doing the rounds...

Anyway, to sum all of this up, as long as the employees are aware that
they may be monitored, you can monitor just about anything that they do
that involves Company equipment/Company time.  Remember that an employee
who is spending Company time browsing the web or e-mailing for their own
(rather than business) use is effectively stealing from the Company,
especially when dial-up costs are involved.  I have seen people fired
for stealing items worth only a few pounds...

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Ozz.