Re: FW: [expert] Telnet and FTP Combination
On Tue, Mar 07, 2000 at 05:15:29PM -0700, Joe Sheble wrote: - - Because when I ftp in I'm limited to a very restricted directory structure - (that users home directory) and I move files back and forth between work and - home... most of these files are in a directory not available to the user I - log in as with FTP... they're root files (configuration files, etc... to - work on, read, or study during idle times as well as share with - co-workers)... so I have to telnet in as a regular user, do a 'su', copy the - necessary files to the appropriate home directory logout of telnet, then - re-connect with ftp to actually get the needed file. It'd be much nicer to - do this in one single connection. In effect, what you are asking for is to be able to ftp in as root. As the millipede said, crossing her legs, "No! No! A thousand times, no!". It is hidiously insecure, which is why you cannot ftp or telnet in as root to most systems. The system you are complaining about at least requires the user (and a potential cracker) to know two passwords and an account name. It's not perfect, but it's a lot more secure than what you propose. -- -- C^2 No windows were crashed in the making of this email. Looking for fine software and/or web pages? http://w3.trib.com/~ccurley
Re: FW: [expert] Telnet and FTP Combination
Charles Curley wrote: On Tue, Mar 07, 2000 at 05:15:29PM -0700, Joe Sheble wrote: -> -> Because when I ftp in I'm limited to a very restricted directory structure -> (that users home directory) and I move files back and forth between work and -> home... most of these files are in a directory not available to the user I -> log in as with FTP... they're root files (configuration files, etc... to -> work on, read, or study during idle times as well as share with -> co-workers)... so I have to telnet in as a regular user, do a 'su', copy the -> necessary files to the appropriate home directory logout of telnet, then -> re-connect with ftp to actually get the needed file. It'd be much nicer to -> do this in one single connection. In effect, what you are asking for is to be able to ftp in as root. As the millipede said, crossing her legs, "No! No! A thousand times, no!". It is hidiously insecure, which is why you cannot ftp or telnet in as root to most systems. The system you are complaining about at least requires the user (and a potential cracker) to know two passwords and an account name. It's not perfect, but it's a lot more secure than what you propose. -- -- C^2 No windows were crashed in the making of this email. Looking for fine software and/or web pages? http://w3.trib.com/~ccurley Setting up FTP FTP This could not possible be easier. First of all, when you initally install Linux, chose the Anonymous ftp option. NOw ,automatically, you have anonymous ftp site running on your linux box.(as long as ftpd is running) using a client to ftp using username: anonymous password :[EMAIL PROTECTED] Whats that? you need to ftp as root ? edit the /etc/ftpusers Any user in this file is denied ftp access to this machine. Delete root, and root can now ftp. Allowing root ftp access from the outside is dangerious. Build a new firewall rull to deny external ftp access begin:vcard n:Binkley;Robert x-mozilla-html:TRUE org:;DCFS adr:;; version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:HP-ADMIN x-mozilla-cpt:;6304 fn:Robert Binkley end:vcard
FW: [expert] Telnet and FTP Combination
"Joe" == Joe Sheble [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Joe Because when I ftp in I'm limited to a very restricted
Joe directory structure (that users home directory) and I move
Joe files back and forth between work and home... most of these
Joe files are in a directory not available to the user I log in
Joe as with FTP... they're root files (configuration files,
Joe etc... to work on, read, or study during idle times as well
Joe as share with co-workers)... so I have to telnet in as a
Joe regular user, do a 'su', copy the necessary files to the
Joe appropriate home directory logout of telnet, then re-connect
Joe with ftp to actually get the needed file. It'd be much nicer
Joe to do this in one single connection.
It is nicer, much more convenient. It is also a security nightmare.
There are excellent security reasons for running ftp in a chroot jail
("a very restricted directory structure"), and telnet and http and
bind and many other services ought to be chrooted as well.
Take this from someone who's week was spoiled by running an old bind
version at work and not chrooting it. (We made the sans.org/giac.htm
list.)
Do you really want your box rooted?
(Views expressed != my employers.)
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[expert] Telnet and FTP Combination
Does anybody know of an application that combines both the functionality of a telnet server and an ftp server? As well as offering a Linux based and Windows version of the server and appropriate clients? Joseph (Joe) Sheble a.k.a. Wizaerd Wizaerd's Realm http://www.wizaerd.com 3D Art, ColdFusion, Illustration, Canvas a little bit of everything... ColdFusion Developer iTOOL.com http://www.itool.com Come Build Your Site Today
Re: [expert] Telnet and FTP Combination
On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Joe Sheble wrote: Does anybody know of an application that combines both the functionality of a telnet server and an ftp server? As well as offering a Linux based and Windows version of the server and appropriate clients? Why do you need a combined application? There is the standard telnetd and standard ftpd, and you can use the MS$ telnet client and ws_ftp/cute_ftp. Jean-Michel Dault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joseph (Joe) Sheble a.k.a. Wizaerd Wizaerd's Realm http://www.wizaerd.com 3D Art, ColdFusion, Illustration, Canvas a little bit of everything... ColdFusion Developer iTOOL.com http://www.itool.com Come Build Your Site Today
FW: [expert] Telnet and FTP Combination
Because when I ftp in I'm limited to a very restricted directory structure (that users home directory) and I move files back and forth between work and home... most of these files are in a directory not available to the user I log in as with FTP... they're root files (configuration files, etc... to work on, read, or study during idle times as well as share with co-workers)... so I have to telnet in as a regular user, do a 'su', copy the necessary files to the appropriate home directory logout of telnet, then re-connect with ftp to actually get the needed file. It'd be much nicer to do this in one single connection. -Original Message- From: Jean-Michel Dault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 5:26 PM To: Joe Sheble Cc: Expert Mandrake List Subject: Re: [expert] Telnet and FTP Combination On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Joe Sheble wrote: Does anybody know of an application that combines both the functionality of a telnet server and an ftp server? As well as offering a Linux based and Windows version of the server and appropriate clients? Why do you need a combined application? There is the standard telnetd and standard ftpd, and you can use the MS$ telnet client and ws_ftp/cute_ftp. Jean-Michel Dault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joseph (Joe) Sheble a.k.a. Wizaerd Wizaerd's Realm http://www.wizaerd.com 3D Art, ColdFusion, Illustration, Canvas a little bit of everything... ColdFusion Developer iTOOL.com http://www.itool.com Come Build Your Site Today
Re: FW: [expert] Telnet and FTP Combination
Get a Terminal program that does Z-modem (Comnet or CRT, you can get them at any tucows mirror), and install the lszrz package. Then, in telnet, type "sz file" and your terminal program will receive it. If you want to send files to your linux box, type "rz", and tell your terminal to send a file with Zmodem, and it will receive it. It even works with HyperTerminal (with the TCP/IP option) except that when it sends a file, it puts it in uppercase letters. Jean-Michel Dault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Joe Sheble wrote: Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:15:29 -0700 From: Joe Sheble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Expert Mandrake List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: [expert] Telnet and FTP Combination Because when I ftp in I'm limited to a very restricted directory structure (that users home directory) and I move files back and forth between work and home... most of these files are in a directory not available to the user I log in as with FTP... they're root files (configuration files, etc... to work on, read, or study during idle times as well as share with co-workers)... so I have to telnet in as a regular user, do a 'su', copy the necessary files to the appropriate home directory logout of telnet, then re-connect with ftp to actually get the needed file. It'd be much nicer to do this in one single connection. -Original Message- From: Jean-Michel Dault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 5:26 PM To: Joe Sheble Cc: Expert Mandrake List Subject: Re: [expert] Telnet and FTP Combination On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Joe Sheble wrote: Does anybody know of an application that combines both the functionality of a telnet server and an ftp server? As well as offering a Linux based and Windows version of the server and appropriate clients? Why do you need a combined application? There is the standard telnetd and standard ftpd, and you can use the MS$ telnet client and ws_ftp/cute_ftp. Jean-Michel Dault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joseph (Joe) Sheble a.k.a. Wizaerd Wizaerd's Realm http://www.wizaerd.com 3D Art, ColdFusion, Illustration, Canvas a little bit of everything... ColdFusion Developer iTOOL.com http://www.itool.com Come Build Your Site Today
