Re: [expert] Very bad review of Mandrake 8.2 boxed set
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 13 May 2002 10:55 pm, daRcmaTTeR wrote: > Over all I've learned that it's almost always the first place to look > when Mandrake is not performing the way its expected to work. The > first time I tried to setup 8.2 on this machine it was a total > disaster. this time it was so painless I could scarsely believe it. > the one diference was the hardware that I was using. the only things > that didn't change were the mobo, hard drives. things that changed > were the NIC's and the RAM. I suspect that the one NIC i was using > had a lot to do with the trouble I was having with 8.1 setting up the > cable modem and one of the ram chips I took out of the machine was > bad and was making life miserable for the machine and me all the way > around. > > I'm happy to say that It and I are quite happy now. As a workstation > it's the cat's meow on all the machines I've loaded it on. I've > always been mindful though of the hardware that is in the machine. > Especially the drives its going to live on. Well ... my three-year-old PC blew up on Sunday with a loud BANG; the motherboard had gone and taken rather a lot with it. I got a loan of a Dell Optiplex GX150 to tide me over until the new machine turns up. It's one of those 'small form factor' machines with everything (NIC, graphics, sound) integrated on the motherboard (Intel 815E chipset); such machines are generally considered to be problematic, and the reason I got it was that my company had had so much trouble installing its Windows 'standard desktop' the machines were eventually quietly set aside. Mandrake 8.2 installed on it, without a single problem, in twenty minutes! I was absolutely flabbergasted. The only problem is the inbuilt video, which tends to break up rather spectacularly when driven hard; that's not Mandrakesoft's fault. (All that said, I had previous bad experiences of Dell but am very impressed with the GX150's build quality; on opening it up I've rarely seen a neater presentation, and squeezing everything into a small space is ingeniously done). Alastair PS Never mind the Wal-Mart flap; www.novatech.co.uk build machines without an OS, and there's a pretty impressive choice of components. - -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) http://www.unmetered.org.uk/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE84AHLCv59vFiSU4YRAqvEAKCG3lI0MTt7Kj0z4da64sDbWtCgBgCfR7gX PYGR3dzcWJW4FNptF7lpj2c= =zjVK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Very bad review of Mandrake 8.2 boxed set
On Wed, 8 May 2002, James wrote: > On Wed, 08 May 2002 22:22:22 -0500 > David Rankin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hmmm... > > > > I've got a fresh set of Odyssey CD's... Their value is > > climbing faster than Cisco stock. Any bidders...? > > > > Again, just an observation, Praedor doesn't speak often, but > > when he does, he often speaks with a reasoned reflection. > > You see, a lot of people come and go on the list, many offer > > flames, advise, antagonisms, etc., but when a core set of > > individuals seem to be offering constructive criticism, it > > may be worth investigating. > > > > It's not what is said wrong, said in argument, or said with > > a sarcastic flair that is important, but what is important > > is 'what is actually being said'. Sometimes you have to > > distill the valuable information from body of posts as a > > whole to guage how things are really going. There is no > > doubt, this is what those with the guiding hand at Mandrake > > are doing, and if reason previals, the smart money would be > > on 8.3 before we see a 'marketing push' for 9.0. > > I for one am finding this one interesting because right now I'm on > the download version. (8.2 hasn't hit the shelves here yet.) In the > download version hdparm and kde-nsplugins where there and did > install. (admittedly only because I chose, the "chose individual > packages option") I've put it on my desktop (ASUS TUSL2 mobo with > Celeron 1ghz) and on a compaq armada 150mhz pentium mmx without a > hitch. The only thing I did have to do is use a boot disk on the > compaq (for some reason stage 2 won't load from my cd if I boot from > the cd the boot disk works who cares.) I find it intresting > because normally the powerpack is what I buy because it contains > MORE than the download. (It also tends to be more "stable" as well). > and yes I'd love to see an 8.3 4 and 5 at least before a 9.0. I > think that Mandrake themselves needs to get off the my number is > bigger than yours treadmill and take a bit of a tip from OpenBSD. > ***Our next release will come out when it's done, and not before. > Ok...I'm going to add my two cents to this very informed thread. I realy feel for those that have had bad experiences with the latest version of Mandrake. The one thing however that I've found to be a steady thread in the whole journey for 8.2 is the hardware makes all the difference. One my machines at home that handles all the server chores had Mandrake 8.1 on it until this weekend. This is an older AMD-K6 233 machine with only 128MB of ram and handles samba, postfix, apache, proftpd, Bastille-firewall and shares the connection with the LAN. It does all this flawlessly. At least until I got cable internet access. I then found I would have to reload the machine with 8.2. For what ever reason try as I might I could not get the connection up using 8.1. when I was finished reloading the machine I spent 1 1/2 hours and the machine was connecting to the internet with the cable modem. another 45 minutes and the LAN was working both directions wonderfully. by the end of the day samba was completely configured, the mailserver was operating, and I was able to lean back into my chair with a very satisfied smile on my face. I have nothing but praise for this release of Mandrake Linux. I have nothing but praise for Mandrake Linux 8.1 as far as that goes and for all the verions I've used. in the past 1 1/2 that I've been using Mandrake I've not met a "bad" version of the distro. I "have" met some bad hardware combinations that simply don't and won't work with a particular version. Over all I've learned that it's almost always the first place to look when Mandrake is not performing the way its expected to work. The first time I tried to setup 8.2 on this machine it was a total disaster. this time it was so painless I could scarsely believe it. the one diference was the hardware that I was using. the only things that didn't change were the mobo, hard drives. things that changed were the NIC's and the RAM. I suspect that the one NIC i was using had a lot to do with the trouble I was having with 8.1 setting up the cable modem and one of the ram chips I took out of the machine was bad and was making life miserable for the machine and me all the way around. I'm happy to say that It and I are quite happy now. As a workstation it's the cat's meow on all the machines I've loaded it on. I've always been mindful though of the hardware that is in the machine. Especially the drives its going to live on. -- daRcmaTTeR -- Registered Linux User 182496 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Very bad review of Mandrake 8.2 boxed set
I have an Athlon 700, 256MB Ram, > 40 GB hdd space. I did a fresh install (I learned of the pain of attempting an upgrade long ago with Redhat). Installed with success my USB HP Deskjet 845c color inkjet. I did expert install and selected my packages as I always do, adding extras this time because I have the space. Right away, unstable. I rebooted numerous times and often find that I have to power down completely for about 30 seconds under such circumstances to get the system to cleanly and successfully bootup. I immediately disabled devfs (Why in the world would Mandrake have that activated by default? It's buggy as all get out to this day). After numerous such problems and 3 (now) reinstalls, I tried to build a new kernel - I usually end up running my own kernel anyway. Failure galore. No "make xconfig" possible (cannot find "cpp0"), no "make menuconfig" possible (ncurses problems - I'm still working both problems)...only plain old "make config" (talk about painful and error-prone). I also appear to now (with 8.2) have some hardware problems...I have 2 CD drives, one CDROM and the other a CDRW. Using either, I often ran into failed/corrupted package installs during install and had to restart the whole process in most cases (because instead of a "retry" option, you are only given the option of terminating the install or ignoring the problem). The CDs are clean and I never had this problem before 8.2. It MAY be coincidence... No locate command. No netscape/konqueror plugin install (this should install by default rather than require a hunt and manual install). It appears that 8.2 does a partial gcc 3.0 and partial gcc-2.96 install instead of a proper and full install of either or both - which I believe to be at the heart of the problems in trying to build a kernel. I truly fear installing and using gcc 3.0. This version of gcc is a big incompatible mistake. It is broken in design and I would MUCH rather use gcc 2.96 but it appears that the gcc 2.96 supplied by Mandrake on my CDs is incomplete...what's up with cpp? Or ncurses? Among the many options I selected, I did select development platform so I could build various and sundry applications. Kernel building is one of the very first things I always do, on laptop or desktop. It never fails me, well, until 8.2 came along. Now I have to do a bunch of troubleshooting to ATTEMPT to get kernel building to work. This makes me suspect that I would have great difficulty building ANYTHING. On Wednesday 08 May 2002 10:09 pm, nDiScReEt wrote: > On Wednesday 08 May 2002 09:23 pm, you wrote: > > LOTS of problems with the 8.2. I am this close to > > dumping it and going back to 8.1 until I can pick up a > > SuSE package...that's right, definitely considering > > jumping ship here. This after I specifically coughed > > up the money to support Mandrake by buying 8.2 instead > > of simply downloading it. > > > > I am now full of regret, I must say. And I am sorry > > for it. > > > > praedor > > what is your hardware? cpu, ram, usb devices, ..etc? Did you try a "text" > install? Did you choose an upgrade or full install? What are the peculiars > of your install process? No errors during installation? Need more input. > Good to find good feedback on a bad situation. Now provide us with > valueable data please. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Very bad review of Mandrake 8.2 boxed set
On Wed, 2002-05-08 at 18:08, Bill Kenworthy wrote: > a guy with some other distro experiance goes to install a system he is > not familar with and gets caught up in some small problems and reports > them. Note that he overcame most due to his experiance! > As regards nmap not showing, that is a serious problem I would say that anyone needing nmap is going to be able to figure out an rpm tool. > I regard many of his criticisms valid if you look at Mandrakes target > audience - minor yes, but they should not be there! I agree. 8.2 went out under time constraints that had nothing to do with it being ready. -- Brad Felmey Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Very bad review of Mandrake 8.2 boxed set
On Wed May 08, 2002 at 02:07:37PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > > But on my iBook and iMac, I use fluxbox exclusively. And I'll bet > > that wm starts up faster than WindowMaker... =) > > Is fluxbox a wm for Linux? Does it provide session management? This is > assential for me because I'm looking for a fast wm for my notebook. Only > requirement is session management. After restarting I want to have my 6 > xterms, Mozilla and Emacs opened before I light my first smoke. Not sure... never tried it. But I don't think it does. And yes, it's a wm for Linux (based on blackbox... much better tho). -- MandrakeSoft Security; http://www.mandrakesecure.net/ "lynx -source http://www.freezer-burn.org/bios/vdanen.gpg | gpg --import" 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD Current Linux kernel 2.4.18-6.4mdksecure uptime: 1 day 4 hours 32 minutes. msg53703/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Very bad review of Mandrake 8.2 boxed set
On Thursday 09 May 2002 8:31 pm, J. Craig Woods wrote: > Praedor Tempus wrote: > > LOTS of problems with the 8.2. I am this close to > > dumping it and going back to 8.1 until I can pick up a > > SuSE package...that's right, definitely considering > > jumping ship here. This after I specifically coughed > > up the money to support Mandrake by buying 8.2 instead > > of simply downloading it. > > > > I am now full of regret, I must say. And I am sorry > > for it. > > > > praedor > > Praedor, when working with any OS, you must always remember the very > wise words of Mr. Emerson: "Character is built upon the debris of > dispair". Emerson is wonderfully quotable, and I'm an (improbable) admirer of the Transcendentalists. Particularly apposite with 8.2: "Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds; given consistency a great soul has nothing to do." Regarding Microsoft: "The louder they talk of honour, the faster we count the spoons." Regarding Linux: "All life is an experiment, and the more experiments you make the better." (disclaimer - from memory) Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) http://www.unmetered.org.uk/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Very bad review of Mandrake 8.2 boxed set
Praedor Tempus wrote: > > > LOTS of problems with the 8.2. I am this close to > dumping it and going back to 8.1 until I can pick up a > SuSE package...that's right, definitely considering > jumping ship here. This after I specifically coughed > up the money to support Mandrake by buying 8.2 instead > of simply downloading it. > > I am now full of regret, I must say. And I am sorry > for it. > > praedor > Praedor, when working with any OS, you must always remember the very wise words of Mr. Emerson: "Character is built upon the debris of dispair". -- J. Craig Woods UNIX/NT Network/System Administration http://www.trismegistus.net Art is the illusion of spontaneity Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Very bad review of Mandrake 8.2 boxed set
James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That's right if he had class he'd be using Windowmaker *grin* > sorry couldn't resist the barb buut be my wm starts faster > than yours hehe. *grin* And I bet my fluxbox starts faster than your window maker. (insert maniacal laugh here) -- Chris Spackman gpg: 9B6B 860E 7C06 787F 366F 5D3E 7152 DCB2 FC51 51B9 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Very bad review of Mandrake 8.2 boxed set
hmm, I've installed the downloadable version of 8.2 myself and am *fully* satisfied. Before installing, I was a little bit scared due to some "less enthusiastic" postings on this list, but I finally had no choice (my harddisk surrendered a couple of days ago ...). The article itself is IMHO not too bad, really. It just tells the same truth that I've seen for many other distros around these days. Creating a distribution is a "not so easy" thing to do and maintaining it is even harder. The fact that mandrake has lacks in some places (among the many great things) is just "natural". And compared to other distros, kernel compilation from source using "make menuconfig" or "make xconfig" is for example *very* different from the original kernel sources at some points (without good reason, IMHO) and that is a point that I fully agree on with the author. QA is the answer to all those things, but in that part the people at mandrake in general make a much better job than most of their competitors, so just don't take bad reviews too bad ... udo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Very bad review of Mandrake 8.2 boxed set
On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 16:11, Alexander Skwar wrote: > »Alastair Scott« sagte am 2002-05-06 um 15:22:12 +0100 : > > Although it's written in the characteristic The Register style (halfway > > Well, it's a very bad review, indeed. In the sense, that the author > should not bash Mdk for something that's only the authors fault. > > He complains, that the kernel .config doesn't reflect reality. > > Well, did he use the correct one from /boot? He doesn't say so, but I > assume he didn't. > > This alone let's me assume that he doesn't have a clue and just wants to > bash 8.2. Fine. > > Alexander Skwar This is the same guy that criticized the President and Congress right after Sept 11th for the bills they were passing and the way they were handling the terrorist attacks. While Canada (bless their souls) were playing the US national anthem, the President was on the way to the 80+ per cent approval rating, and the firemen were busting a**. Don't get me wrong, he's written some good articles, but Thomas Greene is still something of a psycho freak. He's kind of like literary russian roulette. Think about that while you consider "Roblimo's" excellent review on Newsforge, and the positives we have heard elsewhere about LM82. Sumpin don't smell right. Might be a keyboard-seat error, aka wetware defect. YAWN (yet another wooden nickel) LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.8-26mdk Mandrake Linux 8.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5Evolution 1.02 Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Very bad review of Mandrake 8.2 boxed set
On Mon, 6 May 2002 22:18:55 -0600 Vincent Danen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon May 06, 2002 at 01:16:23PM -0700, Deryk Barker wrote: > > [...] > > > This alone let's me assume that he doesn't have a clue and > > > just wants to bash 8.2. Fine. > > > > Well, OK, but he did apparently like 8.1 a great deal. He's > > obviously not simply out to get Mandrake. > > No... this guy is just plain an idiot. nmap and tcpdump *are* > included in 8.2, as he implied otherwise. And he likes to bash > GNOME for some reason... shows he has no class or taste to begin > with. That's right if he had class he'd be using Windowmaker *grin* sorry couldn't resist the barb buut be my wm starts faster than yours hehe. *grin* *** Hope this is taken with the humor it's intended ** > > The whole review stunk... not in terms of it being bad for > Mandrake(yes, there are some issues... the errata addresses some > of them, updates address others). This guy just is an ignorant > boob... > > My $0.02CAD. > > -- > MandrakeSoft Security; http://www.mandrakesecure.net/ > "lynx -source http://www.freezer-burn.org/bios/vdanen.gpg | gpg > --import" 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 > D0E5 FE6F 2AFD > > Current Linux kernel 2.4.18-6.4mdk uptime: 7 days 11 hours 47 > minutes. > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Very bad review of Mandrake 8.2 boxed set
On Mon May 06, 2002 at 01:16:23PM -0700, Deryk Barker wrote: [...] > > This alone let's me assume that he doesn't have a clue and just wants to > > bash 8.2. Fine. > > Well, OK, but he did apparently like 8.1 a great deal. He's obviously > not simply out to get Mandrake. No... this guy is just plain an idiot. nmap and tcpdump *are* included in 8.2, as he implied otherwise. And he likes to bash GNOME for some reason... shows he has no class or taste to begin with. The whole review stunk... not in terms of it being bad for Mandrake (yes, there are some issues... the errata addresses some of them, updates address others). This guy just is an ignorant boob... My $0.02CAD. -- MandrakeSoft Security; http://www.mandrakesecure.net/ "lynx -source http://www.freezer-burn.org/bios/vdanen.gpg | gpg --import" 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD Current Linux kernel 2.4.18-6.4mdk uptime: 7 days 11 hours 47 minutes. msg53636/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Very bad review of Mandrake 8.2 boxed set
Mandrake has long had the problem where they ship a "dirty" kernel that requires a make mrproper before you are ready to compile (not sure bout 8.2, but 8.1, 8.0 etc). Also there is one or more versions where you actually had to load a setup file before you had a match between what you are running and what is to be compiled. This keeps catching out people who move from other distro's who seem to get this area more right than Mandrake does. I get the impression that Mandrake is aiming for an out-of-the-box distro, rather than expending effort in making customisation of this sort easy for newbies. i.e., not done on purpose, but kernel compiles are not part of the main effort. It appears much of his problems stem from: a) unfamiliarity with Mandrakes way of doing things b) and comeing from another distro(s) that do things in different ways, and therefore making wrong assumptions such as the kernel should make exactly what is running "NOW" with no re-configuration neccessary. BillK On Tue, 2002-05-07 at 04:11, Alexander Skwar wrote: > »Alastair Scott« sagte am 2002-05-06 um 15:22:12 +0100 : > > Although it's written in the characteristic The Register style (halfway > > Well, it's a very bad review, indeed. In the sense, that the author > should not bash Mdk for something that's only the authors fault. > > He complains, that the kernel .config doesn't reflect reality. > > Well, did he use the correct one from /boot? He doesn't say so, but I > assume he didn't. > > This alone let's me assume that he doesn't have a clue and just wants to > bash 8.2. Fine. > > Alexander Skwar > -- > How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) > Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de |Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen >Uptime: 1 day 4 hours 36 minutes > > > > > This message has been 'sanitized'. This means that potentially > dangerous content has been rewritten or removed. The following > log describes which actions were taken. > > Sanitizer (start="1020716458"): > Part (pos="2819"): > SanitizeFile (filename="unnamed.txt", mimetype="text/plain"): > Match (rule="2"): > Enforced policy: accept > > Part (pos="3781"): > SanitizeFile (filename="message.footer", mimetype="text/plain"): > Match (rule="default"): > Enforced policy: defang > > Replaced mime type with: application/DEFANGED-604805 > Replaced file name with: message_footer.DEFANGED-604805 > > Total modifications so far: 1 > > > Anomy 0.0.0 : Sanitizer.pm > $Id: Sanitizer.pm,v 1.54 2002/02/15 16:59:07 bre Exp $ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Very bad review of Mandrake 8.2 boxed set
On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 13:16 -0700, Deryk Barker wrote:
> Thus spake Alexander Skwar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
>
> > »Alastair Scott« sagte am 2002-05-06 um 15:22:12 +0100 :
> > > Although it's written in the characteristic The Register style (halfway
> >
> > Well, it's a very bad review, indeed. In the sense, that the author
> > should not bash Mdk for something that's only the authors fault.
> >
> > He complains, that the kernel .config doesn't reflect reality.
> >
> > Well, did he use the correct one from /boot? He doesn't say so, but I
> > assume he didn't.
> >
> > This alone let's me assume that he doesn't have a clue and just wants to
> > bash 8.2. Fine.
>
> Well, OK, but he did apparently like 8.1 a great deal. He's obviously
> not simply out to get Mandrake.
The .config issue was not the only issue he addressed in the review. And
to get a real picture about user's various opinions about 8.2 you should
read the last 4 weeks postings in the Mandrake newsgroup.
OK, most postings came from users who were the problem themselves but a
lot of smaller or larger faults are for real. The most addressed topic is
the (assumed) non-existant QA at MandrakeSoft.
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Re: [expert] Very bad review of Mandrake 8.2 boxed set
Thus spake Alexander Skwar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > »Alastair Scott« sagte am 2002-05-06 um 15:22:12 +0100 : > > Although it's written in the characteristic The Register style (halfway > > Well, it's a very bad review, indeed. In the sense, that the author > should not bash Mdk for something that's only the authors fault. > > He complains, that the kernel .config doesn't reflect reality. > > Well, did he use the correct one from /boot? He doesn't say so, but I > assume he didn't. > > This alone let's me assume that he doesn't have a clue and just wants to > bash 8.2. Fine. Well, OK, but he did apparently like 8.1 a great deal. He's obviously not simply out to get Mandrake. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Very bad review of Mandrake 8.2 boxed set
»Alastair Scott« sagte am 2002-05-06 um 15:22:12 +0100 : > Although it's written in the characteristic The Register style (halfway Well, it's a very bad review, indeed. In the sense, that the author should not bash Mdk for something that's only the authors fault. He complains, that the kernel .config doesn't reflect reality. Well, did he use the correct one from /boot? He doesn't say so, but I assume he didn't. This alone let's me assume that he doesn't have a clue and just wants to bash 8.2. Fine. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de |Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 1 day 4 hours 36 minutes Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Very bad review of Mandrake 8.2 boxed set
Although it's written in the characteristic The Register style (halfway between a magazine and a weblog ... not much of a filter between the journalist and bytes on screen), there are pretty obviously correct points being made here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25160.html Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) http://www.unmetered.org.uk/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
