Re: [expert] an old sendmail problem
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, James wrote: > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:22:21 -0400 (EDT) > daRcmaTTeR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said with temporary authority > > > On 27 Jun 2002, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 22:02, J. Craig Woods wrote: > > > > > > > Not sure where the Toddmeister is going with the .procmailrc file. > > > > I am running boxes from lmdk 7.2 through 8.2, and no such file is > > > > found in any user's home directory. I hasten to add that procmail, > > > > in conjunction with both sendmail and postfix, runs just fine for > > > > every machine on the network. Doing configuration in sendmail.cf > > > > is like learning a new language. darC, any reason for sendmail > > > > over postfix? What distro of linux is on this machine? > > > > > > > drjung > > > > > > > drjung, > > > > the macine I'm running sendmail on is a Linux Mandrake 8.2 box. > > > > actually, I had been running Postfix for quite a while, until recently > > it started doing some very strange things. it was very likely an > > operator error, but try as I might I just couldn't get things > > straightened out. So, I went back to Sendmail. the problem that I had > > outlined earlier was a problem I noticed only in versions after 8.9.x > > of Sendmail. especially the 8.11 that came with Mandrake 8.2. there's > > appears to be a nasty little demon in the package somewhere that > > causes the "cannot create transcript - permission denied" error. > > > > as I posted previously the one way I found to deal with this > > temporarily at first was to chmod the /var/spool/mqueue dir to 777. a > > little later in the day I realized that the user who "was" able to > > send with no trouble wasn't calling the smtp by name, rather by IP > > address. so, I changed the perms of the mqueue back to their original > > state and all is well again. > > > > still...I'm very curious as to what and why this happens with this > > version of sendmail? > > > > -- > > Dark, > This is a stab in the dark, (pun not intended) but I am under the > impression that Sendmail has been doing a lot to "tighten up" the daemon > so that it is more difficult for people to "accidentally" create a relay > for spammers. Is it possible that reverse lookup is bitting you on > this? In other words, it can do a reverse on the IP number but not on > the name? Just a thought, however infantile it may be. I still had it > all on my own. *grin* > > James > Not to worry James. it was a good thought! ;) I guess that possible, but why would the permissions on the mqueue folder be affected the way they were? at 755 if the smtp was listed as mdw1982.dyndns.org it would return the "unable to create transcript" error, but if the smtp was listed as 192.168.0.1 the thing would work flawlessly. unless... -- daRcmaTTeR - R L U: #186492 When ever people annoy me I remember, "Vengence is mine saith the Lord." My prayer is, "...here am I Lord...send me!" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] an old sendmail problem
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:22:21 -0400 (EDT) daRcmaTTeR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said with temporary authority > On 27 Jun 2002, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > > On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 22:02, J. Craig Woods wrote: > > > > > Not sure where the Toddmeister is going with the .procmailrc file. > > > I am running boxes from lmdk 7.2 through 8.2, and no such file is > > > found in any user's home directory. I hasten to add that procmail, > > > in conjunction with both sendmail and postfix, runs just fine for > > > every machine on the network. Doing configuration in sendmail.cf > > > is like learning a new language. darC, any reason for sendmail > > > over postfix? What distro of linux is on this machine? > > > > > drjung > > > > drjung, > > the macine I'm running sendmail on is a Linux Mandrake 8.2 box. > > actually, I had been running Postfix for quite a while, until recently > it started doing some very strange things. it was very likely an > operator error, but try as I might I just couldn't get things > straightened out. So, I went back to Sendmail. the problem that I had > outlined earlier was a problem I noticed only in versions after 8.9.x > of Sendmail. especially the 8.11 that came with Mandrake 8.2. there's > appears to be a nasty little demon in the package somewhere that > causes the "cannot create transcript - permission denied" error. > > as I posted previously the one way I found to deal with this > temporarily at first was to chmod the /var/spool/mqueue dir to 777. a > little later in the day I realized that the user who "was" able to > send with no trouble wasn't calling the smtp by name, rather by IP > address. so, I changed the perms of the mqueue back to their original > state and all is well again. > > still...I'm very curious as to what and why this happens with this > version of sendmail? > > -- Dark, This is a stab in the dark, (pun not intended) but I am under the impression that Sendmail has been doing a lot to "tighten up" the daemon so that it is more difficult for people to "accidentally" create a relay for spammers. Is it possible that reverse lookup is bitting you on this? In other words, it can do a reverse on the IP number but not on the name? Just a thought, however infantile it may be. I still had it all on my own. *grin* James > daRmaTTeR > > R L U: #186492 > When ever people annoy me I remember, "Vengence is mine saith the > Lord." My prayer is, "...here am I Lord...send me!" > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] an old sendmail problem
J. Craig Woods wrote: > Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > >>On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 16:11, daRcmaTTeR wrote: >> >> >>>actually at the moment neither I, or any of the other users on this >>>machine are using .procmailrc files. as I mentioned on another post this >>>is definately a version problem because this behavior goes away if I take >>>8.11.x outa there and then install sendmail-8.9.x in it's place. I'm >>>mystified as to why this is though. >>> >>>-- >>>daRmaTTeR >>> >> >>The daemonic behavior of sendmail is indeed often confusing. >> >>LX >> > > > Please note the "play on words" that LX has used in this example. It is > not only very clever but he has indeed "coined" a new term. LX, your > grade school grammar teachers would be very proud of you... > > Cheers, > drjung > ok...well then...never mind... guess it'll just remain a mystery. -- daRcmaTTeR -- Registered Linux User 182496 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] an old sendmail problem
Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 16:11, daRcmaTTeR wrote: > > > actually at the moment neither I, or any of the other users on this > > machine are using .procmailrc files. as I mentioned on another post this > > is definately a version problem because this behavior goes away if I take > > 8.11.x outa there and then install sendmail-8.9.x in it's place. I'm > > mystified as to why this is though. > > > > -- > > daRmaTTeR > > > > The daemonic behavior of sendmail is indeed often confusing. > > LX > Please note the "play on words" that LX has used in this example. It is not only very clever but he has indeed "coined" a new term. LX, your grade school grammar teachers would be very proud of you... Cheers, drjung -- J. Craig Woods UNIX/NT Network/System Administration http://www.trismegistus.net/resume.html Character is built upon the debris of despair --Emerson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] an old sendmail problem
On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 16:11, daRcmaTTeR wrote: > actually at the moment neither I, or any of the other users on this > machine are using .procmailrc files. as I mentioned on another post this > is definately a version problem because this behavior goes away if I take > 8.11.x outa there and then install sendmail-8.9.x in it's place. I'm > mystified as to why this is though. > > -- > daRmaTTeR > The daemonic behavior of sendmail is indeed often confusing. LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] an old sendmail problem
On 27 Jun 2002, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 02:37, Todd Lyons wrote: > > J. Craig Woods wrote on Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 09:02:00PM -0500 : > > > > > running boxes from lmdk 7.2 through 8.2, and no such file is found in > > > any user's home directory. I hasten to add that procmail, in conjunction > > > > In which case procmail does the default. My intent was to see if there > > was a misconfigured .procmailrc that would cause the error. Sorry if I > > didn't word it very clearly. I've not been getting much sleep lately. > > > > Blue skies... Todd > > -- > > You and me both. I noticed with dismay earlier today that I had > misspelled your name in one of the net-broadcast emails; sorry bout > that. > > L8r, LX actually at the moment neither I, or any of the other users on this machine are using .procmailrc files. as I mentioned on another post this is definately a version problem because this behavior goes away if I take 8.11.x outa there and then install sendmail-8.9.x in it's place. I'm mystified as to why this is though. -- daRmaTTeR R L U: #186492 When ever people annoy me I remember, "Vengence is mine saith the Lord." My prayer is, "...here am I Lord...send me!" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] an old sendmail problem
On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 02:37, Todd Lyons wrote: > J. Craig Woods wrote on Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 09:02:00PM -0500 : > > > running boxes from lmdk 7.2 through 8.2, and no such file is found in > > any user's home directory. I hasten to add that procmail, in conjunction > > In which case procmail does the default. My intent was to see if there > was a misconfigured .procmailrc that would cause the error. Sorry if I > didn't word it very clearly. I've not been getting much sleep lately. > > Blue skies... Todd > -- You and me both. I noticed with dismay earlier today that I had misspelled your name in one of the net-broadcast emails; sorry bout that. L8r, LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] an old sendmail problem
On 27 Jun 2002, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 22:02, J. Craig Woods wrote: > > > Not sure where the Toddmeister is going with the .procmailrc file. I am > > running boxes from lmdk 7.2 through 8.2, and no such file is found in > > any user's home directory. I hasten to add that procmail, in conjunction > > with both sendmail and postfix, runs just fine for every machine on the > > network. Doing configuration in sendmail.cf is like learning a new > > language. darC, any reason for sendmail over postfix? What distro of > > linux is on this machine? > > > drjung > drjung, the macine I'm running sendmail on is a Linux Mandrake 8.2 box. actually, I had been running Postfix for quite a while, until recently it started doing some very strange things. it was very likely an operator error, but try as I might I just couldn't get things straightened out. So, I went back to Sendmail. the problem that I had outlined earlier was a problem I noticed only in versions after 8.9.x of Sendmail. especially the 8.11 that came with Mandrake 8.2. there's appears to be a nasty little demon in the package somewhere that causes the "cannot create transcript - permission denied" error. as I posted previously the one way I found to deal with this temporarily at first was to chmod the /var/spool/mqueue dir to 777. a little later in the day I realized that the user who "was" able to send with no trouble wasn't calling the smtp by name, rather by IP address. so, I changed the perms of the mqueue back to their original state and all is well again. still...I'm very curious as to what and why this happens with this version of sendmail? -- daRmaTTeR R L U: #186492 When ever people annoy me I remember, "Vengence is mine saith the Lord." My prayer is, "...here am I Lord...send me!" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] an old sendmail problem
On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 22:02, J. Craig Woods wrote: > Not sure where the Toddmeister is going with the .procmailrc file. I am > running boxes from lmdk 7.2 through 8.2, and no such file is found in > any user's home directory. I hasten to add that procmail, in conjunction > with both sendmail and postfix, runs just fine for every machine on the > network. Doing configuration in sendmail.cf is like learning a new > language. darC, any reason for sendmail over postfix? What distro of > linux is on this machine? > drjung Yes...I must concur with this wholeheartedly. The first thing we do when encountering sendmail is to perform a specialized exorcism on the machine in question, to remove associated demons, evil spirits, etc. You veterans know the drill. We found out long ago that the sendmail.cf was merely a page ripped from the Book of Satan. Admittedly there are configuration gui demons that make the .cf easier to deal with, but in actuality they are somewhat like MicroSoft marketing reps; they merely pave the way to the burning hells of perdition. There is one bright aspect to the whole business, however; since sendmail does run itself as a single process under root (laff) it provides it's most useful function as a way to keep the Bugtraq mailing list in business. The annualistic sendmail exploits have become quite the dependable and comfortable item; I've become accustomed to them over the years, and would hate to see things change. L8r, LX P.Spostfix or qmail -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] an old sendmail problem
J. Craig Woods wrote on Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 09:02:00PM -0500 : > > > > > > Look in his home directory for a .procmailrc file. If he has it, make > > it doesn't appear to be a procmail issue. as I remember it this was in > Not sure where the Toddmeister is going with the .procmailrc file. I am > running boxes from lmdk 7.2 through 8.2, and no such file is found in > any user's home directory. I hasten to add that procmail, in conjunction In which case procmail does the default. My intent was to see if there was a misconfigured .procmailrc that would cause the error. Sorry if I didn't word it very clearly. I've not been getting much sleep lately. Blue skies... Todd -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Cooker Version mandrake-release-8.3-0.2mdk Kernel 2.4.18-20mdk msg55765/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] an old sendmail problem
daRcmaTTeR wrote: > > On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Todd Lyons wrote: > > > > Look in his home directory for a .procmailrc file. If he has it, make > > sure that the permissions are mode 600, owned by him (Look in > > /var/log/mail/errors for lines that say "Suspicious permissions of > > .procmailrc" or something similar to that. Then go look inside his > > .procmailrc and make sure that it's working properly. > > > > Go look at /var/log/mail/errors in general, it might point out what the > > real problem is if it's not procmail. > > > > Blue skies... Todd > > Todd, > > it doesn't appear to be a procmail issue. as I remember it this was in > issue with this particular version. it's been quite some time since i've > worked with sendmail so the error information below isn't exactly making > any sense yet. > Not sure where the Toddmeister is going with the .procmailrc file. I am running boxes from lmdk 7.2 through 8.2, and no such file is found in any user's home directory. I hasten to add that procmail, in conjunction with both sendmail and postfix, runs just fine for every machine on the network. Doing configuration in sendmail.cf is like learning a new language. darC, any reason for sendmail over postfix? What distro of linux is on this machine? drjung -- J. Craig Woods UNIX/NT Network/System Administration http://www.trismegistus.net/resume.html Character is built upon the debris of despair --Emerson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] an old sendmail problem
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Todd Lyons wrote: > daRcmaTTeR wrote on Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 09:26:58AM -0400 : > > > > Sendmail when trying to send a message from Pine. Pine returns the error > > that it's unable create the transcript file - permission denied. > > it doesn't do this to me as a regular user. ergo the mystery. I can send > > fine from Pine, but another user cannot. I "have" searched both the > > Look in his home directory for a .procmailrc file. If he has it, make > sure that the permissions are mode 600, owned by him (Look in > /var/log/mail/errors for lines that say "Suspicious permissions of > .procmailrc" or something similar to that. Then go look inside his > .procmailrc and make sure that it's working properly. > > Go look at /var/log/mail/errors in general, it might point out what the > real problem is if it's not procmail. > > Blue skies... Todd Todd, it doesn't appear to be a procmail issue. as I remember it this was in issue with this particular version. it's been quite some time since i've worked with sendmail so the error information below isn't exactly making any sense yet. = error information from sendmail == Jun 26 08:10:24 mdw1982 sendmail[1557]: g5QCAOe01557: SYSERR(heather): Can't create transcript file ./xfg5QCAOe01557: Permission denied Jun 26 08:10:57 mdw1982 sendmail[1559]: g5QCAvq01559: SYSERR(heather): Can't create transcript file ./xfg5QCAvq01559: Permission denied Jun 26 08:20:49 mdw1982 sendmail[1574]: g5QCKnQ01574: SYSERR(heather): Can't create transcript file ./xfg5QCKnQ01574: Permission denied Jun 26 08:42:19 mdw1982 sendmail[1690]: g5QCgJb01690: SYSERR(heather): Can't create transcript file ./xfg5QCgJb01690: Permission denied Jun 26 09:15:54 mdw1982 sendmail[1993]: g5QDFsC01993: SYSERR(heather): Can't create transcript file ./xfg5QDFsC01993: Permission denied Jun 26 09:19:21 mdw1982 sendmail[2074]: g5QDJLX02072: SYSERR(heather): openmailer: insufficient privileges to change gid Jun 26 09:38:13 mdw1982 sendmail[2147]: g5QDcDK02145: SYSERR(heather): openmailer: insufficient privileges to change gid Jun 26 10:11:25 mdw1982 sendmail[2423]: g5QEBPk02421: SYSERR(heather): openmailer: insufficient privileges to change gid Jun 26 10:12:00 mdw1982 sendmail[2427]: g5QEC0f02425: SYSERR(heather): openmailer: insufficient privileges to change gid -- daRmaTTeR R L U: #186492 When ever people annoy me I remember, "Vengence is mine saith the Lord." My prayer is, "...here am I Lord...send me!" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] an old sendmail problem
daRcmaTTeR wrote on Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 09:26:58AM -0400 : > > Sendmail when trying to send a message from Pine. Pine returns the error > that it's unable create the transcript file - permission denied. > it doesn't do this to me as a regular user. ergo the mystery. I can send > fine from Pine, but another user cannot. I "have" searched both the Look in his home directory for a .procmailrc file. If he has it, make sure that the permissions are mode 600, owned by him (Look in /var/log/mail/errors for lines that say "Suspicious permissions of .procmailrc" or something similar to that. Then go look inside his .procmailrc and make sure that it's working properly. Go look at /var/log/mail/errors in general, it might point out what the real problem is if it's not procmail. Blue skies... Todd -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Cooker Version mandrake-release-8.3-0.2mdk Kernel 2.4.18-20mdk msg55747/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[expert] an old sendmail problem
hi list, I've got a mystery that I've not been able to unravel completely this morning. one of the users on my server at home is getting an error from Sendmail when trying to send a message from Pine. Pine returns the error that it's unable create the transcript file - permission denied. it doesn't do this to me as a regular user. ergo the mystery. I can send fine from Pine, but another user cannot. I "have" searched both the newbie and expert archives, but I've not found any conclusive information and solution to the problem. the version of sendmail that I'm running right now is sendmail-8.11.0-3mdk. at the moment I've got the permissions on /var/spool/mqueue set to 777 so's other users can send email. wussup? -- daRmaTTeR R L U: #186492 When ever people annoy me I remember, "Vengence is mine saith the Lord." My prayer is, "...here am I Lord...send me!" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
