RE: [expert] external usb hard drive problems

2001-10-21 Thread Jose M. Sanchez

In a nutshell run lsmod and look at all the modules that your USB drive
is using. You'll notice that the interrelated modules are listed making
things a bit easier for you.

Then use mkinitrd and it's preload and fstab option to tell mkinitrd
which modules to load into the boot image, and how they are mounted.

Doing this gets everything loaded into ram during the boot and before
any other services are started or called. 

-JMS


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|To: Jose M. Sanchez
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|Subject: RE: [expert] external usb hard drive problems
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|
|Hi,
|
|I read the man page and looked around a bit on the net, but am 
|not sure what I should do;  should I use the --preload switch, 
|and if so, then for which modules?
|
|Thanks,
|David Charles
|
|On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Jose M. Sanchez wrote:
|
|
| |
| |I wish *SOMEBODY* would include a USB kernel as an install option! 
| |USB keyboard and mouse work a lot better if they are available all 
| |through the boot process.  Also in regard to your first 
|question, it 
| |seems that the USB has gotten a whole lot less 
|unpluggable in 2.4.  
| |Hint: this is a step
| |backwards!
| |
| |mg
| |
|
| Including it in the kernel is not needed and/or superfluous...
|
| You can utilize mkinitrd to create a boot image (used 
|automatically by 
| the boot loader) that incorporates any modules that you need present 
| and loaded during the first stage of the boot. Booting from a SCSI 
| device requires this.
|
| There is no reason that you can use this to add in the USB drivers 
| either. You could go as far as booting Linux from a USB hard drive 
| (ugh!!).
|
|
| -JMS
|
|
|
|




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[expert] external usb hard drive problems

2001-10-20 Thread ddcharles

Hi,

I have an external USB hard drive made by LaCie, which worked out of the
box, was automatically detected during installation, and is set up with
scsi emulation.  If I boot with the drive turned on, it is accessible as
sda1  sda5 (it is partitioned into 2 FAT32 partitions).  There are errors
when it first tries to mount, saying that the 2 devices do not exist, but
then (I think because it only turns on scsi emulation AFTER trying to
mount the drives) it tries a few seconds later in the boot sequence and is
successful.

My problem is as follows:  if the drive is NOT turned on at boot time, I
can NOT mount either of the partitions on the drive, getting an error
message saying that the devices do not exist.  The kernel modules for usb
scsi emulation are loaded (and I even tried removing and reinserting the
modules which I think are needed), but it just does not work.

I think (and please tell me if I am wrong or omitting something) the
modules that are used are usb-scsi usb-ohci and usb-storage (I think, am
not at home and doing this from memory).

The other question I have, although not as bad because it still works, is
the error message I get when the system boots (that I mentioned at the
beginning) where the mounting of the usb drive's partitions fails and then
a few seconds later succeeds.  Is this because  the system tries to mount
the scsi drives (sda1  sda5) BEFORE  the usb-scsi emulation is loaded?

I DO hope that someone can help me.

TIA,
David Charles




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Re: [expert] external usb hard drive problems

2001-10-20 Thread mike

On Saturday 20 October 2001 18:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 I have an external USB hard drive made by LaCie, which worked out of the
 box, was automatically detected during installation, and is set up with
 scsi emulation.  If I boot with the drive turned on, it is accessible as
 sda1  sda5 (it is partitioned into 2 FAT32 partitions).  There are errors
 when it first tries to mount, saying that the 2 devices do not exist, but
 then (I think because it only turns on scsi emulation AFTER trying to
 mount the drives) it tries a few seconds later in the boot sequence and is
 successful.

 My problem is as follows:  if the drive is NOT turned on at boot time, I
 can NOT mount either of the partitions on the drive, getting an error
 message saying that the devices do not exist.  The kernel modules for usb
 scsi emulation are loaded (and I even tried removing and reinserting the
 modules which I think are needed), but it just does not work.

 I think (and please tell me if I am wrong or omitting something) the
 modules that are used are usb-scsi usb-ohci and usb-storage (I think, am
 not at home and doing this from memory).

 The other question I have, although not as bad because it still works, is
 the error message I get when the system boots (that I mentioned at the
 beginning) where the mounting of the usb drive's partitions fails and then
 a few seconds later succeeds.  Is this because  the system tries to mount
 the scsi drives (sda1  sda5) BEFORE  the usb-scsi emulation is loaded?

 I DO hope that someone can help me.

 TIA,
 David Charles


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I wish *SOMEBODY* would include a USB kernel as an install option!
USB keyboard and mouse work a lot better if they are available all through
the boot process.  Also in regard to your first question, it seems that the 
USB has gotten a whole lot less unpluggable in 2.4.  Hint: this is a step 
backwards! 

mg



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RE: [expert] external usb hard drive problems

2001-10-20 Thread Jose M. Sanchez


|
|I wish *SOMEBODY* would include a USB kernel as an install 
|option! USB keyboard and mouse work a lot better if they are 
|available all through the boot process.  Also in regard to 
|your first question, it seems that the 
|USB has gotten a whole lot less unpluggable in 2.4.  Hint: 
|this is a step 
|backwards! 
|
|mg
|

Including it in the kernel is not needed and/or superfluous...

You can utilize mkinitrd to create a boot image (used automatically by
the boot loader) that incorporates any modules that you need present and
loaded during the first stage of the boot. Booting from a SCSI device
requires this.

There is no reason that you can use this to add in the USB drivers
either. You could go as far as booting Linux from a USB hard drive
(ugh!!).


-JMS




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RE: [expert] external usb hard drive problems

2001-10-20 Thread ddcharles

Hi,

I read the man page and looked around a bit on the net, but am not sure
what I should do;  should I use the --preload switch, and if so, then for
which modules?

Thanks,
David Charles

On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Jose M. Sanchez wrote:


 |
 |I wish *SOMEBODY* would include a USB kernel as an install
 |option! USB keyboard and mouse work a lot better if they are
 |available all through the boot process.  Also in regard to
 |your first question, it seems that the
 |USB has gotten a whole lot less unpluggable in 2.4.  Hint:
 |this is a step
 |backwards!
 |
 |mg
 |

 Including it in the kernel is not needed and/or superfluous...

 You can utilize mkinitrd to create a boot image (used automatically by
 the boot loader) that incorporates any modules that you need present and
 loaded during the first stage of the boot. Booting from a SCSI device
 requires this.

 There is no reason that you can use this to add in the USB drivers
 either. You could go as far as booting Linux from a USB hard drive
 (ugh!!).


 -JMS





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