Re: [expert] ATA RAID
On Tuesday 19 August 2003 07:50 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: That also means that I have never been able to use the RAID controller as even standard ATA controllers either, just enabling them in the BIOS causes a kernel panic on boot. Looking back at the logs, it is trying to initialize the 366 Highpoint driver at the point that it dies in a panic. That is what caused the panic, was the 366 driver, but with 9.1 I dont recall having that problem. I may have removed the 366 module or something. I remember there was info abt it in the highpoint driver package. Jack Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ATA RAID
On Tuesday 19 August 2003 12:33 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Tuesday 19 August 2003 08:51 am, Felix Miata wrote: I looked at mandrakeuser.org and tldp.org and found nothing on this subject. Before I go looking anywhere else for non-Mandrake-specific coverage of this subject, anyone here know of good coverage on using Highpoint motherboard RAID with Mandrake? I have a Hpt372 on my motherboard and had to turn it off in the BIOS since with standard 9.1, it causes a kernel panic that kills Mandrake. I did recompile the kernel with the Highpoint drivers and got it to the point where it wouldn't kernel panic when starting Linux but it still would not see the hard drives on that controller. I have used both the High Point drivers and the ataraid drivers with success. I dont recall having a kernel panic on the 9.x series mandrake, however the 8.x series I did. I have a Soyo PS4 Dragon Ultra. Diskdrake hoses the raid array when writing the partition table during an install. with Mandrake 8.x I had to use the highpoint drivers, as the Ataraid drivers would not function for me. With Mandrake 9.x the ataraid drivers finally worked, for the highpoint driver you had to disable some stuff and re-compile the kernel. I can access a fat32 and ntfs partition on the raid 0 array. The biggest drawback is I have never been able to boot from the array. I installed to a regular drive. Loaded the ataraid and hptraid modules so I could access the drive. Built an initrd with ataraid and hptraid (plus journaling FS and ext3) modules. Edit the lilo.conf so that it uses the new initrd and run lilo, then moved the installation to the raid 0 array. In this way if I ever have a problem with the array I can still boot linux off the regular drive and fix any problems. When all is done only the MBR and /boot are used off of the regular drive. Jack Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ATA RAID
On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 21:55, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Tuesday 19 August 2003 08:51 am, Felix Miata wrote: I looked at mandrakeuser.org and tldp.org and found nothing on this subject. Before I go looking anywhere else for non-Mandrake-specific coverage of this subject, anyone here know of good coverage on using Highpoint motherboard RAID with Mandrake? Felix: Way back when (summer 2001?), there was some traffic on the newbie list about these things. FWIW, Civileme didn't like them; he was a strong proponent of software-based RAID. Perhaps those problems have been resolved since then, but I've learned never to bet against Civileme. -- cmg Whoa there, tex. The Highpoint controllers can be used with Linux software raid to greater advantage than the standard raid controllers; they provide better performance. In other words you don't run them native, you run them with SW raid, and you end up with a better setup. Meanwhile that leaves the two original vanilla IDE channels open for other uses. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ATA RAID
On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 20:31, Greg Meyer wrote: On Tuesday 19 August 2003 01:33 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: I have a Hpt372 on my motherboard and had to turn it off in the BIOS since with standard 9.1, it causes a kernel panic that kills Mandrake. I did recompile the kernel with the Highpoint drivers and got it to the point where it wouldn't kernel panic when starting Linux but it still would not see the hard drives on that controller. I have a 372 on my Motherboard, Soyo KT-400 Dragon Ultra that works fine as a standard ATA controller. RAID can then be achieved with the Linux RAID-tools. Are you sure it is the Highpoint COntroller causing the kernel panic and not the APIC or something. I also have a Highpoint controller and my Raid array is on itworking flawlessly under 9.1. The Highpoint controllers provide better performance than a standard set of IDE channels. They also leave your standard IDE channels open for other uses. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ATA RAID
On Tuesday 19 August 2003 09:52 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: Could be a BIOS version. On you on the latest. First thing that I did when I had problems was update the BIOS. No, I can clearly see the error where Linux is trying to load the 366 hpt driver when it detects the controller. I did a lot of reading and everyone mentioned problems with the hpt driver included in the 24 kernel. Alan Cox did a patch and put it out but it hasn't been implemented in the stock kernel. I can get past the kernel panic by recompiling with the actual highpoint driver from highpoint tech, only problem is it was unable to see the one drive that I hooked up to it. Could be my fault though, the drive wasn't on that controller when I installed and I may need to do something further. It just wasn't worth the effort of pursueing since I only have 4 ide devices hooked up currently and they all fit on the primary ide controller channels. Since we basically have the same board, it would seem you should be able to get them working. Again, I'd check the BIOS for the latest. I would the thrilled if it was something easy but after spending 5+ days trying to get it to work, constantly moving drives to different controllers and having to recompile the kernel, I am not sure that there is enough value in getting it to work to justify the time. Obviously, I am not an expert with any of this, just a squirrel trying to get a nut. ;-} -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ATA RAID
On Wednesday 20 August 2003 02:45 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: I also have a Highpoint controller and my Raid array is on itworking flawlessly under 9.1. The Highpoint controllers provide better performance than a standard set of IDE channels. They also leave your standard IDE channels open for other uses. It is also possible that this is all a combination of other stuff. When I first loaded up Mandrake, it was a brand new install after I just purchased my new system with the Dragon KT400 Ultra Platinum MB installed. First I had major problems because I had a 128MB video card along with 1024MB of RAM. Mandrake 9.1 has major problems trying to boot from the boot disk if you have more than 1024 of RAM and a video card with more than 32 mb of memory. Couple those problems with the APIC issues and ACPI as well and simply getting a stable install was a major undertaking for me. At this point, with what I know now, I could probably do a much better install and perhaps get the RAID stuff working (although I am pretty sure that 9.1 does have problems with hpt372, at least, I am not the only one having those problems according to the forums), but I would have to go back and reinstall all the software and at this point it is simply not worth the effort. Perhaps when 9.2 comes out. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ATA RAID
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Felix Miata wrote: I looked at mandrakeuser.org and tldp.org and found nothing on this subject. Before I go looking anywhere else for non-Mandrake-specific coverage of this subject, anyone here know of good coverage on using Highpoint motherboard RAID with Mandrake? Have you searched the archived threads of AOLM yet? http://tinyurl.com/ki1a AIUI, these controllers are not true hardware RAID at all, and much if not most of the RAID stuff is done in software (their W32 driver). Some models have proprietary Linux drivers available IIRC, and some do not (and IIRC, those that do don't come in Mandrake versions anyway, just RedHat). If used as a standard ATA IDE controller in Linux, it should work okay, including when using Linux's software RAID tools to create a Linux-native array on the controller. Accessing a Windows-native array from Mandrake is extremely unlikely to be possible, AFAICT. This is due to the fact that it's not truly hardware RAID (which would be OS-transparent). You may have trouble getting anything you put on these drives to boot, so you'll want to put your /boot dir (at least) on a drive on the normal IDE controller; once booted up, Linux should see the additional drives properly, though you may need to add a parameter or two to your append= lines in /etc/lilo.conf to get the kernel to identify the controller's I/O addresses and IRQ correctly. HTH! -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 There are two kinds of people in the world, those who believe there are two kinds of people in the world and those who don't. - Robert Benchley Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ATA RAID
On Tuesday 19 August 2003 08:51 am, Felix Miata wrote: I looked at mandrakeuser.org and tldp.org and found nothing on this subject. Before I go looking anywhere else for non-Mandrake-specific coverage of this subject, anyone here know of good coverage on using Highpoint motherboard RAID with Mandrake? I have a Hpt372 on my motherboard and had to turn it off in the BIOS since with standard 9.1, it causes a kernel panic that kills Mandrake. I did recompile the kernel with the Highpoint drivers and got it to the point where it wouldn't kernel panic when starting Linux but it still would not see the hard drives on that controller. I finally gave up, hopefully, they will add better support in the next version, my understanding was that newer kernels provided better support for Highpoint raid. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ATA RAID
On Tuesday 19 August 2003 01:33 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: I have a Hpt372 on my motherboard and had to turn it off in the BIOS since with standard 9.1, it causes a kernel panic that kills Mandrake. I did recompile the kernel with the Highpoint drivers and got it to the point where it wouldn't kernel panic when starting Linux but it still would not see the hard drives on that controller. I have a 372 on my Motherboard, Soyo KT-400 Dragon Ultra that works fine as a standard ATA controller. RAID can then be achieved with the Linux RAID-tools. Are you sure it is the Highpoint COntroller causing the kernel panic and not the APIC or something. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ATA RAID
Greg Meyer wrote: I have a 372 on my Motherboard, Soyo KT-400 Dragon Ultra that works fine as a standard ATA controller. RAID can then be achieved with the Linux RAID-tools. Are you sure it is the Highpoint COntroller causing the kernel panic and not the APIC or something. What I want to do is put both windoze and 9.1 on the Highpoint RAID on a Dragon KT333. I found some FAQ type stuff to do this on RedHat, so it seems it ought to be doable on MDK. -- A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control.Proverbs 29:11 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ATA RAID
On Tuesday 19 August 2003 08:31 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: I have a 372 on my Motherboard, Soyo KT-400 Dragon Ultra that works fine as a standard ATA controller. RAID can then be achieved with the Linux RAID-tools. Are you sure it is the Highpoint COntroller causing the kernel panic and not the APIC or something. Pretty sure it is not. I have the Soyo KT-400 Dragon Ultra Platinum motherboard and even with APIC disabled (which it has to be to boot Mandrake at all), turning on the RAID controller causes a kernel panic. APIC is a whole other ball of wax, with APIC turned on, I can get Mandrake to boot up but the whole devfs file system is screwed up, the USB ports aren't detected properly, and finally, my standard IDE ports get assigned funky IRQ's and then my filesystem gets trashed. I also had to turn off ACPI, for some reason, loading the ACPI daemons causes havoc with Linux on my system as well. That also means that I have never been able to use the RAID controller as even standard ATA controllers either, just enabling them in the BIOS causes a kernel panic on boot. Looking back at the logs, it is trying to initialize the 366 Highpoint driver at the point that it dies in a panic. If you are using all of the IDE channels on the MB then you are already far ahead of me, I just have never been able to do it. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ATA RAID
On Tuesday 19 August 2003 08:50 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Tuesday 19 August 2003 08:31 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: I have a 372 on my Motherboard, Soyo KT-400 Dragon Ultra that works fine as a standard ATA controller. RAID can then be achieved with the Linux RAID-tools. Are you sure it is the Highpoint COntroller causing the kernel panic and not the APIC or something. Pretty sure it is not. I have the Soyo KT-400 Dragon Ultra Platinum motherboard and even with APIC disabled (which it has to be to boot Mandrake at all), turning on the RAID controller causes a kernel panic. Could be a BIOS version. On you on the latest. APIC is a whole other ball of wax, with APIC turned on, I can get Mandrake to boot up but the whole devfs file system is screwed up, the USB ports aren't detected properly, and finally, my standard IDE ports get assigned funky IRQ's and then my filesystem gets trashed. I also had to turn off ACPI, for some reason, loading the ACPI daemons causes havoc with Linux on my system as well. Mirrors my experience. That also means that I have never been able to use the RAID controller as even standard ATA controllers either, just enabling them in the BIOS causes a kernel panic on boot. Looking back at the logs, it is trying to initialize the 366 Highpoint driver at the point that it dies in a panic. If you are using all of the IDE channels on the MB then you are already far ahead of me, I just have never been able to do it. Since we basically have the same board, it would seem you should be able to get them working. Again, I'd check the BIOS for the latest. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ATA RAID
On Tuesday 19 August 2003 08:51 am, Felix Miata wrote: I looked at mandrakeuser.org and tldp.org and found nothing on this subject. Before I go looking anywhere else for non-Mandrake-specific coverage of this subject, anyone here know of good coverage on using Highpoint motherboard RAID with Mandrake? Felix: Way back when (summer 2001?), there was some traffic on the newbie list about these things. FWIW, Civileme didn't like them; he was a strong proponent of software-based RAID. Perhaps those problems have been resolved since then, but I've learned never to bet against Civileme. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
